You are misrepresenting my position, I'm not saying anyone should be shamed, I'm saying people shouldn't claim their project is Open-Source when it is -NC, that is not what Open-Source means, see links and common usage of the term.

« Thank you! Was that not much easier than harvesting a bunch of unrelated links and griping? »

Yes, easier but not my point though, the links are much more related to my point. My point being the definition of Open-Source doesn't include restriction of fields of use, which NC does, and the links show this.
You seem to be completely missing the point, please read the sentence above several times, it's what's really important here.

« So basically you want to do what HaD has done?  »

No, this is completely unrelated to articles, comments, or hackaday, in any way, you are extremely confused about what this is about. Please re-read everything with an open mind, you are seemingly very lost.

« what about the NC is obstructing you in this endeavor?  »

NC prevents the kind of sharing and collaboration you would see in something like say the Wikipedia project. If I contribute to an Open-Source project, it's because I want to know others will be able to contribute in return / on top of that. This doesn't happen with -NC projects. You can see this all around, NC projects do not have the kind of large scale collaboration/contribution/help that NC projects have. Because if I have the choice of contributing to a project that doesn't limit fields of use, or one that does, I'll choose to contribute to one that doesn't limit his.
And if there is only a NC project, I'll just go ahead and start from scratch without the NC clause.

« Why has it not stopped HaD? »

There is zero reason it would, you seem super confused.

«  I highly doubt I can prove your opinion to be something other than what it is. I’m still trying to pin down exactly what it is. »

Yes, you can indeed prove me wrong, just provide a project that is NC and has the kind of large scale collaboration/contribution you see in Open Source project like Linux, Debian, Reprap, Wikipedia, Perl, MyDIYDilod, whatever. If you provide such an example, you will have proven me wrong and I will in fact change my mind.
Do you understand why such an example would prove me wrong ?  If not tell me and I'll double my efforts to explain.

«  but hey, the other alternatives are to patent it or to keep it secret altogether, »

No, the other alternatives are to patent it or to keep it secret OR to release it as Open-Source. Let's release it as Open-Source. If you don't, I won't care about it, and won't contribute to it. I'd rather do my own similar project from scratch than to contribute to NC, because contributing to NC my contribution would be wasted, mostly.


« you seem to know of one but you hate it so deeply that you won’t speak it aloud,  »

I have less than zero idea what you are talking about. Maybe instead of pretending you can read my mind, just don't presume you know what's in my brain, and actually *tell me* what you think "one" is here. Because I don't know, and I bet 100% of people reading this don't either. You are alone with your weird idea.

« I also think creators who tentatively step out into the light and share their ideas with the world should not be shamed »

You are misrepresenting my position.

You are saying my position is one ( dumb and mean and easy to dismiss ) thing, when it fact it is another ( smart and nice and difficult to dismiss ) thing. That's bad reasoning / not honest.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

My position is not -NC should be shamed, my position is NC should not be misrepresented as Open-Source, as it is not in fact Open-Source.

And it is something that happens from time to time that a company/project ( Ultimaker has famously done this ) will misrepresent their project as Open-Source when it is in fact -NC, to get community support from people confused about the difference, when people who actually understand the difference would in fact not help them. This is essentially stealing contributions/help/support/enthusiasm.

« then you should contact the creator and round up those collaborators and get started!  »

No, my contributions would be ( mostly ) warted. I should instead start a proper Open-Source project.

Hey, I had completely forgotten about this, but I actually have a really good example of this !

I created the Smoothie project a few years back ( smoothieware.org ). In short it's a 32bit CNC controller with a lot of fancy features you couldn't have with the 8bit controllers the reprap project had at the time.

When I created Smoothie, there was actually already a 32bit reprap controller, started a good year before mine, had a huge headstart. Called R2C2. They had a whole bunch of features, a board they were selling.
And the project was -NC.
This project saw *very few* contributions. I won't say none, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

My project, from a week of getting into the world, by the same channels theirs did, had more offers for contributions than I could manage spending full time on it for the years to come ( I'm still at it 8 years later really ).

The only difference ? My project was Open-Source.

How do you explain that ?