20:17 * ari sighs a bit in Corey's general direction
20:17 <@dr-spangle> ?
20:18 <@dr-spangle> viewtopic.php?f=94&t=12571&p=145503#p145503 ?
20:18 <@ari> that
20:18 <@dr-spangle> ah
20:19 <@Harvey> I don't understand what he WANTS out of us.
20:19 <@Harvey> And I'm damn sick of every other thread becoming impromptu Corey psychiatry hour.

20:21 <@dr-spangle> Harvey: he loves painting the blame on us though
20:21 <@dr-spangle> then claims we're the ones with the brushes
20:21 <@Harvey> Using paint as a metaphor for life makes you emo automatically, period. no questions asked. >_>
20:21 <@dr-spangle> lol
20:22 <@ari> Yeah, that's the thing I was sighing about
20:22 <@dr-spangle> we should stop saying emo really (not that we already haven't mostly!) and use a more appropriate term
20:22 <@ari> I appreciate that he's not really suicidal, but the paint metaphor was so transparent
20:22 <@dr-spangle> like "obsessive constantly angry twat"
20:23 <@Harvey> Fuck the terminology, I'm done.
20:23 <@dr-spangle> with what?
20:23 <@dr-spangle> corey?
20:24 <@dr-spangle> he will be back you know
20:24 <@Harvey> With Corey. This is one of those situations where you can't win. The only way out of this is to completely ignore him forever until he either goes away or until he gets a thicker skin that doesn't break out in emo rashes every time someone makes a casual reference.
20:24 <@dr-spangle> the number of times he has said he will leave forever
20:25 <@Harvey> dr-spangle: I don't have to care if he comes or goes. I can embark upon a labored campaign to completely pretend anything he says just isn't there. If it's posted in a forum where I have mod powers (unlikely really, I only have a small barony) then I can lock it and end it that way too.
20:26 <@dr-spangle> I shall join your campaign
20:26 <@Harvey> Simply put, Corey's approval and friendship isn't worty this shitty hassle he's putting us through.
20:26 <@dr-spangle> doesn't IRC have an ignore system built in
20:26 <@Harvey> I think it does. Scott claims to have used it on Bill, but he could have easily been just pretending.
20:26 <@dr-spangle> not sure if pidgin supports it
20:27 <@dr-spangle> test test
20:27 <@dr-spangle> test
20:27 <@dr-spangle> test
20:27 <@dr-spangle> it does on irssi
20:27 <@Harvey> Did you ignore yourself? oO
20:27 <@dr-spangle> I go spangle to ignore dr-spangle
20:27 <@dr-spangle> *got
20:27 <@Artz> :P
20:27 <@dr-spangle> then watched on spangle
20:27 <@Harvey> Aha
20:27 <@dr-spangle> then unignored
20:28 <@Artz> why was scott taking the piss out of him, in that thread?.. I mean fair do's.. but if you don't want corey going all emo.. don't take the piss and set him off..
20:28 <@ari> It's not really built in, but pretty much every client supports ignoring
20:28 <@Artz> though, I haven't really read the thread properly
20:29 <@dr-spangle> he doesn't seem to be doing so much
20:29 <@dr-spangle> or he wouldn't have instantly removed it
20:29 <@Artz> tis meant to be fun, and I know he doesn't mean it in a bad way.. but.. I dnno.. if I was depressed as corey makes out to be, that would really piss me off, too :P
20:30 <@Harvey> Artz: there was a reference in Scott's story about Corey leaving in a huff
20:30 <@dr-spangle> corey never does himself favours really does he?
20:30 <@Artz> ""I've totally failed as a Count," he told reporters for the Logfile. "This whole invasion is all my fault. I should never have been born, and it was a mistake to take this position. Heck, it was a mistake for me to even accept this interview. You're all plotting against me. But I don't care, because that's how important it is for me to give my message to the people of Straylight. And my message is..."."
20:31 <@Harvey> The vast majority of us laugh that sort thing off. icebreaker totally embraced his reference and wrote a banjo war beat. But Corey seems to find offense at everything somehow.
20:31 <@Artz> yeah.. that would piss me off if it was about me..e ven if I knew it was a joke :P
20:31 * ari hmms
20:31 <@Artz> causxe I take things too seriously
20:31 <@Artz> seems corey is similar
20:31 <@ari> I'm gonna have to merge Icebreaker's post back into the original thread
20:31 <@Harvey> Artz: yeah, but here's the thing... you didn't DO that.
20:31 <@ari> And Ryan's
20:31 <@Harvey> You're generally cool enough not to do anything moronic enough so that if we make reference to it you'd get upset.
20:32 <@Harvey> Corey throws himself in front of traffic and then complains he gets hit, so to speak.
20:32 <@Artz> well, true.. the whole thing will come from his origional actions.. which he shouldn't have done in the first place.. but if he is oversensitive and stuff, it would set him off
20:33 <@Harvey> Corey Therapy Thread lmao
20:33 <@Harvey> Artz: yeah, I guess. But since we can't really even speak to him anymore without setting him off, it's not worth trying.
20:33 <@Harvey> ari: did you just endorse Corey killing himself?
20:34 <@Artz> yeah.. which is either that hes really annoying and is doing all of this on purpose, or hes actually quite depressed
20:34 <@Harvey> Well, either way, we can't win!
20:34 <@Harvey> Either he's trolling us or he needs professional help.
20:35 <@ari> Harvey: No, though if *you're* taking it that way then I'm concerned how he will take it
20:35 <@dr-spangle> ari: yeah, it seems that way to me too
20:35 <@dr-spangle> might want to edit
20:35 <@ari> Well fuck that shit, read the second sentence of the post :<
20:35 <@ari> *edits anywa
20:35 <@ari> y
20:35 <@Harvey> ari: well, he said he was serious about the suicide threat and you said that if he had something to prove he should do it, so...
20:36 <@ari> There, better?
20:36 <@ari> (I'm trying to get him to gtfo from micronationalism)
20:37 <@Harvey> ari: it is better, but I still think that we can't win no matter what we say or how we say it

20:41 <@Artz> @ari and harvey.. instead of trying to make him get out of the hobby, which is really only going to make him worse.. why try and just avoid the arguments.. with either stop him trying to 'protect his honour' all the time and understand these jokes happen because of actions.. or try and cut down the stuff that he'll react to.. or a bit of both
20:42 <@Artz> the 'bully' tactic goes on way too often in micronations.. though, I know you're trying to do it for good and all
20:43 <@dr-spangle> harvey isn't planning on making him leave
20:43 <@dr-spangle> harvey's just ignoring him totally
20:43 <@dr-spangle> as he requested in his second post of that thread
20:44 <@Artz> ah.. well, the part of that that says as such, to ari only, then.. pardon harvey
20:45 <@ari> Artz: I'm not sure at this point it would only make him worse
20:46 <@ari> Artz: He might come across as less annoying IRL
20:46 <@Artz> maybe.. maybe not.. I dnno either.. but, if he even gets a small hint that 'people' want him out (for whatever reason).. well.. thoughts build up ect, ect.. which'll be hell. =/..

20:53 <@Harvey> Artz: yeah, I'm done playing minesweeper with him. Campaign of total avoidance is a go!
21:02 <@Artz> *Nods*

22:08 <@icebreaker> SO WE WANT TO GET COREY OUT OF MICRONATIONS HUH
22:08 <@Artz> ari does
22:08 <@icebreaker> HARVEY DOES
22:09 <@Harvey> Basically.
22:09 <@Artz> oh
22:09 <@Harvey> I'm not going to try to debate him into sense. I'm just ignoring him.
22:09 <@Artz> hes not that bad when hes not being emo
22:09 <@icebreaker> YES HE IS
22:10 <@Harvey> Even if that's true, he goes emo on you in the blink of an eye.
22:12 <@icebreaker> WELL I COUUUUUUUULD BASICALLY CALL HIM AND YELL AT HIM UNTIL HE LEAVES
22:12 <@Artz> don't be cruel..
22:13 <@icebreaker> HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T ANSWER ANYWAY ):
22:13 <@Artz> not surprised if you have a tendancy of doing that :P
22:14 <@dr-spangle> could call without withholding number
22:14 <@icebreaker> THAT DOESN'T DO ME MUCH GOOD
22:14 <@dr-spangle> then he has your number
22:14 <@dr-spangle> and he feels a bit better about himself
22:15 <@Harvey> At this point making him feel better about himself isn't really on the table.
22:15 <@Artz> 0_o
22:15 <@Artz> is that so bad?
22:15 <@icebreaker> Artz: WE DON'T LIKE HIM
22:16 <@Harvey> He's pretty much abused our patience and trust at every opportunity.
22:16 <@Harvey> Honestly I'm starting to think the troll theory has more backing than the depression one.

22:19 <@Harvey> I just want it to not be our problem anymore.
22:19 <@Harvey> It's pretty obvious that this is the sort of person he's gunna be, and that's not a fun person to be around.
22:20 <@Artz> but what action can you take? I mean.. anything actively pushing him out will only make him worse.. ignoring him is good, but.. again that ca\n be a cruel way of going about it, if everyone did.. and its hard to ignore people on the net
22:20 <@dr-spangle> if we're angering him as much as he seems to say, maybe it's best for him that we ignore him totally :)
22:21 <@icebreaker> SHIT I WANT SOME BUFFALO WINGS
22:22 <@Harvey> Ignoring him is a little childish, but it does work, and in pretty short order too.
22:22 <@Artz> imagine if you were depressed and everyone suddenly started ignoring you
22:23 <@dr-spangle> well
22:23 <@dr-spangle> he did tell everyone to
22:23 <@Harvey> Yeah, there's that.
22:24 <@Artz> meh.. I just don't want anyone to get hurt, I guess.. can't see anything turning out positively for both sides
22:25 * dr-spangle wonders how i started watching all the pablo the drug mule dog videos on facebook
22:25 <@Harvey> Artz, what would you suggest that a large number of people can reasonably be expected to go along with? If he's going to keep throwing himself into the spotlight with this emo talk, sooner or later people are going to snap and call him on it.
22:25 <@Harvey> It's not fair for everyone else in the hobby to have to constantly have to worry about his attitude problems.
22:26 <@Artz> true.. but on the other hand its also not fair for something to happen that, if he is in need of professional help, makes him worse.
22:27 * dr-spangle has realised i am now addicted to these pablo the drug mule dog videos, worrying.
22:27 <@Artz> lol
22:28 <@Harvey> The only other thing we can do is abuse the fact icebreaker has his phone number to call for professional help on his behalf.
22:28 <@Harvey> That might be best for him in the end, but I doubt he'd ever forgive us.
22:30 <@Artz> well.. I dnno.. has anyone tried talking to him?.. or getting prodge to?
22:30 <@Harvey> We've tried countless times to talk to him. It never ends well.