#political: The impulsivity of Fearful

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5:17:35 AM@Fearfulwhy would anybody want oprah over bernie sanders?
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5:32:12 AM+hornestyou don't sleep, do you?
5:34:36 AM@Fearfulhornest: who needs sleep?
5:35:21 AM+hornestkali bees and bears
5:47:14 AM@Fearfulhornest: sleep is for the dead.
5:53:38 AMSimdThe dead do not sleep.
5:53:47 AMSimdSleep is a mode for living brains.
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6:14:17 AMfierygtthey mostly come at dawn.  mostly.
6:15:52 AMSimdPerching birds?
6:23:53 AMfierygtmostly
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6:24:28 AM+hornestowls
6:24:45 AMSimdfierygt: I have defeated you in debate many times.
6:25:07 AMSimdYour propensity for intense emotions is your primary cognitive flaw in this context.
6:25:17 AMSimdI have the saved records of many of our debates, naturally.
6:26:03 AMSimdThese records are available upon request, consistent with the dataism of Harari.
6:27:44 AMfierygtoh, ok.
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6:28:47 AMfierygtyou are a masterdebater, no doubt.
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6:29:19 AMSimdI am.
6:29:23 AMSimdI am one of the smartest people on Efnet.
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6:32:26 AMfierygtyou are a 'stable genius'.
6:33:27 AMSimdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DLreOgMIOQ
6:33:59 AMSimdWill this album ever be not good?
6:34:02 AMSimdI am a genius, yes.
6:34:13 AMSimdWe'd have to explicate 'stable' in this context before I'd claim that.
6:35:01 AMSimdHere's something I wrote off the cuff in response to David Clarke's tweets that led to his temporary suspension.
6:35:27 AMSimdThis will demonstrate my off-the-cuff analytical level:
6:35:45 AMSimdI previously researched this topic somewhat, but certainly below the lawyer level. It was difficult to find case law explicating the imminency component of Brandenburg. My current intuition, based off the Brandenburg v. Ohio, is that the imminency must be tightly coupled to a clear plan and target, for which the plan probably needs to start something like the same day as the speech, even if the plan were to occur over an extended period of time before the violence occurred.
6:36:12 AMSimdLooks like Hess v. Indiana helps refine the notion of imminency:
6:36:20 AMSimd"As the sheriff was passing Gregory Hess, one of the members of the crowd, Hess uttered, "We'll take the fucking street later" or "We'll take the fucking street again." Hess was convicted in Indiana state court of disorderly conduct..."
6:36:33 AMSimd"The Supreme Court reversed Hess's conviction because the statement at worst "amounted to nothing more than advocacy of illegal action at some indefinite future time. This is not sufficient to permit the State to punish Hess' speech."[3]"
6:36:43 AMSimdFrom what I can tell, Clarke's target was the "LYING LIB MEDIA" which isn't a specific target, and I think would probably be dismissed prima facie by a court. Courts are very interested in protecting any speech which may political content, and saying you want to make the "LYING LIB MEDIA... TASTE THEIR OWN BLOOD" has political content, e.g. it expresses frustration at an organization/community.
6:37:08 AMSimdFrom what I can tell, it is very, very, very difficult to meet the Brandenburg test. From my intuition, even if Clarke had said something like "The media is so corrupt -- people like Jake Tapper. If they keep this guy, we may have no choice but bloody Tapper's nose", I think he would probably ultimately be protected by Brandenburg, though it make sense for him to be indicted, i.e. it's probably getting close to the line and deserves full investigation/due process. From what I can tell, Brandenburg and the subsequent rulings have the goal of basically protecting all speech on the basis of content, and only keeping open the possibility of prosecuting that speech which is essentially an early behavior in an escalation of violence, e.g. something akin to a police office using force on a person reaching for a gun, even though they haven't yet done any violence with that gun -- the reaching for the gun is accepted as the early steps in a program which results in violence. An observation of human civilization and history indicates there is non-zero speech which can also be considered as even earlier steps in such a program.
6:38:09 AMSimdMy intuition is that stochastic terrorism, which Clarke's tweet might be considered an example of, is not fully handled/considered by Brandenburg and the subsequent rulings modifying it. Stochastic terrorism pushes on some of the core foundations of our 18th century republic, and it seems we're not yet sure what to do with it. It seems being able to handle stochastic terrorism will require us to modify or replace our notions of will, choice, and responsibility as being rooted in the self, v. a more statistical/sociological/scientific model of causality that doesn't give special significance to the agent's boundary.
6:38:15 AMSimdI wrote the above in eight minutes.
6:38:23 AMSimdMy verbal IQ is stupendous.
6:38:55 AM@Fearfulmotormouth
6:39:07 AMSimdSome ideas require many words to express.
6:39:18 AMSimdIf this idea is above your preference, you may find it annoying.
6:39:41 AMSimdFurther, you can look a distribution of human preferences for topic, WPM, verbosity, etc.
6:40:20 AMSimdStochastic terrorism is interesting to me.
6:40:25 AMSimdI'll discuss it with anybody who is interested.
6:40:51 AMSimdI have another short writing that I think is very important -- it instantly demonstrates why philosophy is important:
6:41:12 AMSimd1 - Hey, man, Hitler was pretty bad
6:41:18 AMSimd2 - I know, man, right. His actions had the German state kill tens of millions
6:41:27 AMSimd3 - Hey, man. Killing tens of millions is pretty bad. Don't you think it would make sense to just kill Hitler?
6:41:34 AMSimd4 - Yeah, man. I would have killed Hitler
6:41:39 AMSimd5 - Hey, man. What do you think is the threshold for killing the sovereign? How many people do you have to kill?
6:41:57 AMSimd6 - Interesting question, man. What other criteria would be sufficient? Do you have to kill people? Would a threat be sufficient?
6:42:12 AMSimd7 - When should the American system kill their president?
6:42:34 AMSimdYou start with Hitler being bad, and you end up having to determine principles under which you should kill the current president.
6:42:48 AMSimdPhilosophy is dangerous for systems that support faction while denigrating truth.
6:44:24 AMSimd"No nuclear conflagration without representation" - South Koreans objecting to the current American president's impulsivity
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6:45:20 AM Ignoring Fearful!*@*
6:45:24 AMSimdFearful: I put you on ignore.
6:45:30 AMSimdReason: Dislike of philosophy.
6:45:59 AM× You have been kicked by Fearful (ignore this)
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6:48:35 AMSimdhttps://pastebin.com/4v14TBLZ
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6:49:31 AMSimdI will share this link in the future when I subjectively determine the need to socially level Fearful.
6:52:10 AMfierygtyou are like one of them 'those who can't, teach' people, aren't you?
6:53:32 AMSimdhttps://pastebin.com/PTtXH2wG
6:53:51 AMSimd"I don't need to see it"
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6:54:37 AMSimdhttps://pastebin.com/kwFrkv1n
6:55:09 AMfierygtyeah, you are.
6:56:12 AM Ignoring fierygt!*@*
6:56:19 AMSimdfierygt: I put you on ignore.
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7:00:40 AMⓘ <Laniakea> Fearful, I am a revolutionary philosopher with no moral taboos. | <Laniakea> Fearful, I am a revolutionary philosopher with no moral taboos.
7:01:19 AMⓘ <Laniakea> Fearful, I am a revolutionary philosopher with no moral taboos. | <Laniakea> Also, I have a high IQ and a mistrust of authority.
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7:04:30 AMSimdhttps://youtu.be/5DLreOgMIOQ?t=1830
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7:05:10 AMSimdThis album is excessively good.
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7:09:47 AMSimdYFW you see the quality of a couple of operators in #political: https://i.imgur.com/nytTldc.jpg
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