(3:47:12 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: emerson said a lot
(3:47:15 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: and as far as i see
(3:47:18 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: never did half of it
(3:47:34 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: thoreau kind of did
(3:47:36 PM) Cody Schuffelen: "Tomorrow we will be covering about 7 metaethical theories, 10 famous philosophers and several objection to realism and anti-realism (welcome to college!)."
(3:47:59 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: i am neither a realist nor a transcendentalist
(3:48:03 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: i am a man without a country D:
(3:48:05 PM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(3:48:16 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: actually i sway towards transcendentalism
(3:48:16 PM) Cody Schuffelen: no country for.... something...men
(3:48:50 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: if the validity of perception cannot be guaranteed (it cannot - bias), then the universe itself is rather inconsequential
(3:48:58 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: hence realism is kind of missing the point entirely
(3:49:17 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: you can't necessarily study the universe in the assumption it makes sense, if the universe might not even exist
(3:49:32 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: and this is an odd problem because the realists seemed to ignore it
(3:50:10 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: but then transcendentalism is like, well, let's throw all that out the window and start making stuff up
(3:50:24 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: actually my problem with BOTH is that they make too many assumptions
(3:51:06 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: transcendentalism - that other people exist, that something higher exists
realism - that the universe obeys solid laws (rather than we simply perceiving it to because of our bias)
(3:51:42 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: transcendentalism gets the one big point i agree with though. the universe is not pointless. if there is some nature to reality beyond it, then the universe (and especially our biased perception of it), is the key to understanding it
(3:52:12 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: if only because it is completely impossible for entities such as a self and a universe to exist independently
(3:52:24 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: one HAS to partially, if not completely, explain the other
(3:53:44 PM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(3:54:44 PM) Cody Schuffelen: why can't a self exist without a universe?
(3:55:06 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: it could. but we, or i, or you, whoever, is perceiving something
(3:55:11 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: which we are hence calling "the universe"
(3:55:18 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: so if it can't exist doesn't matter
(3:55:23 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: we are seeing it
(3:55:28 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: so it stands to reason
(3:55:33 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: there is probably a connection
(4:04:40 PM) Cody Schuffelen: but
(4:04:44 PM) Cody Schuffelen: couldn't it be all made up
(4:04:55 PM) Cody Schuffelen: in sensory deprivation chambers
(4:04:59 PM) Cody Schuffelen: humans start to make up things
(4:05:06 PM) Cody Schuffelen: if there is only the self and no universe
(4:05:10 PM) Cody Schuffelen: it could be all imagination
(4:05:54 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: yes
(4:06:01 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: that's what my concept allows for
(4:06:21 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: realism and transcendentalism both make the assumption, to an extent, that what you're seeing exists
(4:06:45 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: i am not really. but what i am saying is, even if you are imagining it, the very act of doing so is important
(4:07:28 PM) Cody Schuffelen: okay
(4:07:48 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: your dreams can tell you things about yourself you don't know while awake; similarly, evaluating the universe, even if it is entirely a product of a hallucination, can tell you about the nature of whatever "thing" you in fact are
(4:10:19 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/5ECDDB86: and that process is hampered by assuming that the universe is some kind of physical entity obeying a specific set of laws (realism, mostly) or assuming it is entirely the product of some higher being or entity, which you too are a product of (transcendentalism). however, the second is far closer in this case to "no assumptions"

(12:02:53 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: to me there are two goals to socializing
(12:03:02 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: bring people to your side from some political gain, or sex
(12:03:56 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: the first is what motivates me, generally because i have too high standards for the second
(12:05:06 AM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(12:05:50 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: also i strongly strive for free will, independence, and that sort of thing
(12:05:57 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: relationships are against that
(12:06:44 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: although i do have a bit of an existential issue around that
(12:07:02 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: being that without knowing the meaning of life, it is impossible to know to which direction logical effort should be exerted
(12:07:21 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: so basically you get to pick - so i guess, "free will" comes full circle
(12:08:04 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: to me, indenture to anyone is a negative, which is why i try to even break those commitments i have
(12:10:23 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: i have physical and mental barriers in the way of my goals though
(12:10:31 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: mental can be solved, physical is harder
(12:11:00 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: or maybe that isn't true, and i really am not as beholden to ataikaihonara as i believe
(12:11:41 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: i am having a trasncendental crisis!
(12:12:20 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: existential crisis: "life has no meaning! it is all for nothing!"
"transcendental crisis": "i have a meaning, but the universe hates me!"
(12:12:32 AM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(12:13:05 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: i was perfectly fine with no meaning
(12:13:16 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: but then branching time came around and screwed that one up
(12:13:34 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: now i can think of arguments about consciousness and relationship to specific branches
(12:14:42 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: you know, i have enough philosophical issues to solve without emerson teabagging me
(12:18:15 AM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(12:18:18 AM) Cody Schuffelen: everyone is out to get you
(12:18:25 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: not really
(12:18:40 AM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/4FD73393: descartes and laozi are my homeboys

(6:20:30 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: "Geoffrey draws on his boots to go through the woods, that his feet may be safer from the bite of snakes; Aaron never thinks of such a peril. In many years neither is harmed by such an accident. Yet it seems to me, that, with every precaution you take against such an evil, you put yourself into the power of the evil. "
(6:20:54 PM) Cody Schuffelen: what
(6:20:59 PM) Cody Schuffelen: hmm
(6:21:10 PM) Cody Schuffelen: although i don't really want to believe that he sort of has a point
(6:21:21 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: ...why?
(6:21:28 PM) Cody Schuffelen: no wait
(6:21:31 PM) Cody Schuffelen: needs a comma
(6:21:39 PM) Cody Schuffelen: although i don't really want to believe that statement, he sort of has a point
(6:21:51 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: but why don't you want to believe it
(6:22:01 PM) Cody Schuffelen: well
(6:22:08 PM) Cody Schuffelen: putting on boots seems like a negligible cost
(6:22:11 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: the fact it is true is a good argument against oppression and "security"
(6:22:24 PM) Cody Schuffelen: but when you are bitten by snakes
(6:22:25 PM) Cody Schuffelen: you die
(6:22:43 PM) Cody Schuffelen: so there isn't really much of a case for "fail once and learn"
(6:22:45 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: not really
(6:22:48 PM) Cody Schuffelen: ok
(6:22:53 PM) Cody Schuffelen: i guess i don't know that much about snakes
(6:23:12 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: being bitten by snakes is very unpleasant but especially with the snakes around where he's writing, you wouldn't die
(6:23:20 PM) Cody Schuffelen: ah
(6:23:32 PM) Cody Schuffelen: i should buy this homestuck music
(6:23:36 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: lol
(6:23:46 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: emerson's analogies are a bit off in general
(6:24:01 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: but taking the advice of the one site i was on and not taking them too literally
(6:24:04 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: he has a good point
(6:24:15 PM) Cody Schuffelen: maybe his weed ran out that day
(6:24:27 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: broken clock; twice a day
(6:24:30 PM) Cody Schuffelen: lol
(6:24:34 PM) Cody Schuffelen: not if you use 24hr
(6:24:39 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: still once a day
(6:24:46 PM) Cody Schuffelen: well EXPLAIN THIS
(6:24:50 PM) Cody Schuffelen: i have a digital clock that broke
(6:24:51 PM) bkystarfleet@gmail.com/C10FC232: also only once if the clock has AM/PM