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  7. Channel ID: (('allianceid', 1354830081),)
  8. Channel Name: Alliance
  9. Listener: Xenuria
  10. Session started: 2015.12.18 11:30:26
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  13. [ 2015.12.18 11:33:00 ] Sil Phenadil > What is the public channel for Asshole Squad anyone?
  14. [ 2015.12.18 11:34:21 ] Xenuria > I am harvesting the farts!
  15. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:00 ] Sil Phenadil > Hello Xenuria
  16. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:04 ] Xenuria > Hi
  17. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:13 ] Sil Phenadil > Sorry about the time I told you to shut up in TMC comments
  18. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:17 ] Xenuria > its ok
  19. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:27 ] Sil Phenadil > What's up
  20. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:28 ] Mckhenry > he should shut up though
  21. [ 2015.12.18 11:36:59 ] Sil Phenadil > Okay but let's be honest
  22. [ 2015.12.18 11:37:05 ] Sil Phenadil > Literally the entire GSF needs to shut up
  23. [ 2015.12.18 11:37:11 ] Sil Phenadil > We are all terrible at this game
  24. [ 2015.12.18 11:37:31 ] Mckhenry > well atleast half of the TMC authors yeah
  25. [ 2015.12.18 11:37:36 ] Mckhenry > all of GSF though?
  26. [ 2015.12.18 11:37:42 ] Xenuria > I am going to try and find time to write for TMC some more
  27. [ 2015.12.18 11:38:01 ] Sil Phenadil > I saw Sion's post on CSM reform and was incredibly surprised that it was not you
  28. [ 2015.12.18 11:38:05 ] Xenuria > I get super nervous about deadlines and stuff because I have a non-existant concept of time.
  29. [ 2015.12.18 11:38:09 ] Xenuria > I know right?
  30. [ 2015.12.18 11:38:28 ] Xenuria > He was really just blaring my talking points, not that I am complaining.
  31. [ 2015.12.18 11:38:36 ] Xenuria > The CSM does in fact need some serious fucking reform.
  32. [ 2015.12.18 11:39:46 ] aussieftw > i will vote for you dont worry
  33. [ 2015.12.18 11:39:54 ] Mckhenry > haha
  34. [ 2015.12.18 11:40:10 ] Xenuria > I am hoping everybody does. Even my worst enemies.
  35. [ 2015.12.18 11:40:23 ] Xenuria > Wasn't very long ago people laughed at me for saying I was a reform candidate.
  36. [ 2015.12.18 11:40:24 ] Sil Phenadil > If Sabriz Adoudel runs next year vote for them
  37. [ 2015.12.18 11:40:36 ] Xenuria > Now everybody is pulling their hair out
  38. [ 2015.12.18 11:40:45 ] Xenuria > ~They Didn't Listen~
  39. [ 2015.12.18 11:42:14 ] Mckhenry > CSM is a job though... Xenuria are you unemployed?
  40. [ 2015.12.18 11:42:22 ] Xenuria > As of recently yeah
  41. [ 2015.12.18 11:42:32 ] Mckhenry > ^^ perfect CSM
  42. [ 2015.12.18 11:42:40 ] Xenuria > Dude there is no amount ofo work they can throw at me that I won't run circles around
  43. [ 2015.12.18 11:42:53 ] Xenuria > My ability to multitask is preternatural
  44. [ 2015.12.18 11:43:39 ] Mechaet > ...
  45. [ 2015.12.18 11:43:55 ] Mechaet > and you wonder, talking like that, why people wouldn't vote for you.
  46. [ 2015.12.18 11:43:57 ] Mckhenry > dual boxing ishtars doesnt count!
  47. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:21 ] Mechaet > what if they ask you to write articles for TMC?
  48. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:32 ] Xenuria > I have
  49. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:33 ] Mechaet > because based on track record..
  50. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:39 ] Xenuria > ?
  51. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:47 ] Xenuria > I don't understand what you are implying.
  52. [ 2015.12.18 11:44:56 ] Xenuria > I have made solid contributions to TMC
  53. [ 2015.12.18 11:45:12 ] Mckhenry > they need to just drop the NDA bullshit from CSM anyway
  54. [ 2015.12.18 11:45:13 ] James Amril-Kesh > I would vote for him
  55. [ 2015.12.18 11:45:29 ] Xenuria > The NDA is wildly problematic moreso because its selectively applied
  56. [ 2015.12.18 11:45:33 ] Mckhenry > every null block who has a candidate on CSM is well informed of changes before they happen
  57. [ 2015.12.18 11:45:36 ] Xenuria > It's not a clear or obvious thing.
  58. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:05 ] Xenuria > Mckhenry If you are suggested I would be a leaker, your wrong.
  59. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:07 ] Mckhenry > its the little men line members who have to wait for the nda lift
  60. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:17 ] Mckhenry > Not saying you would X
  61. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:22 ] Mckhenry > but it happens
  62. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:26 ] Mckhenry > and it happens often
  63. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:27 ] Xenuria > Since joining goons I have been trusted with things.
  64. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:33 ] Xenuria > Things I will never break confidence.
  65. [ 2015.12.18 11:46:42 ] Mechaet > you're*
  66. [ 2015.12.18 11:47:20 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > nerds
  67. [ 2015.12.18 11:47:25 ] Mechaet > heh
  68. [ 2015.12.18 11:47:37 ] Mckhenry > space nerds..
  69. [ 2015.12.18 11:49:26 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Man, they need to make some clothes that look good on my choco skin... all this "Imperial Space Commander" stuff doesnt took right. :(
  70. [ 2015.12.18 11:49:35 ] Xenuria > Yerp
  71. [ 2015.12.18 11:49:37 ] Xenuria > Vote Xenuria
  72. [ 2015.12.18 11:49:46 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Uh, no.
  73. [ 2015.12.18 11:49:54 ] Mechaet > Vote Xenuria and get pretty dresses for your characters
  74. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:00 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > You spelled kick wrong.
  75. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:01 ] Xenuria > Yes with tiny hats and skirts
  76. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:08 ] Xenuria > with stockings
  77. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:11 ] Xenuria > weeeeeeee~
  78. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:21 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Well when you put it that way...
  79. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:24 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > have my vote!
  80. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:50 ] Xenuria > Space ultraviolence juxtoposed with zoolander high fashion
  81. [ 2015.12.18 11:50:53 ] Xenuria > Xenuria for CSM
  82. [ 2015.12.18 11:51:46 ] Mechaet > violent Barbies in space
  83. [ 2015.12.18 11:52:01 ] Garnoo > ginger asian for csm!!!
  84. [ 2015.12.18 11:52:07 ] Mckhenry > you have my vote as long as you lobby to do away with local chat
  85. [ 2015.12.18 11:52:53 ] Garnoo > no local = no null = no wars = dead economy = dead game
  86. [ 2015.12.18 11:53:18 ] Garnoo > also, xenuria is waaaaaayyyy to crazy for csm :P
  87. [ 2015.12.18 11:53:24 ] Xenuria > ...
  88. [ 2015.12.18 11:53:28 ] Xenuria > Really?
  89. [ 2015.12.18 11:53:56 ] Mechaet > crazy? nah. misguided? maybe. dangerously naive? perhaps. But not crazy.
  90. [ 2015.12.18 11:54:17 ] Xenuria > I'll take naive and brilliant in equal parts.
  91. [ 2015.12.18 11:54:53 ] Mechaet > I've met you in person; brilliant is not a word I'd use to describe you.
  92. [ 2015.12.18 11:54:58 ] Xenuria > oh
  93. [ 2015.12.18 11:55:01 ] Xenuria > When did you meet me?
  94. [ 2015.12.18 11:55:08 ] Mechaet > Eve Vegas
  95. [ 2015.12.18 11:55:13 ] Xenuria > Oh cool
  96. [ 2015.12.18 11:55:28 ] Xenuria > Than how would you describe me in person vs in game
  97. [ 2015.12.18 11:55:54 ] Mechaet > you were an alright guy IRL, but I've met actual brilliant people and I didn't get that impression from you.
  98. [ 2015.12.18 11:56:02 ] Xenuria > ok
  99. [ 2015.12.18 11:56:09 ] Xenuria > Define Alright
  100. [ 2015.12.18 11:56:09 ] Mechaet > you're smart, but brilliant miiiight be overselling it
  101. [ 2015.12.18 11:56:56 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > rekt
  102. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:10 ] Mechaet > you didn't immediately exude any sort of social ineptitude = Alright
  103. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:11 ] Garnoo > somewhere between 'crazy asian' and 'slightly insane'
  104. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:27 ] Xenuria > Ok
  105. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:36 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Hey now, crazy asian is exceptional in some cases.
  106. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:38 ] Mechaet > your posting led one to believe this would be part of the experience. I was pleasantly surprised.
  107. [ 2015.12.18 11:57:44 ] Xenuria > Well I had fun at vegas and I got to meet many people.
  108. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:00 ] Garnoo > some cases... females....?
  109. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:09 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Bingo.
  110. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:21 ] Xenuria > Weren't any really attractive women in vegas
  111. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:24 ] Grymwulf > Did mittens stare deeply into your eyes when talking with you? Did citizen rat threaten you with pegging?
  112. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:33 ] Xenuria > There was this waitress at the paris party but that's it.
  113. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:34 ] Kranus Naari > Yay peggign!
  114. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:37 ] Kranus Naari > pegging*
  115. [ 2015.12.18 11:58:51 ] Xenuria > Mittems typically looks at my chest or the floor when talking to me
  116. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:00 ] Grymwulf > awww shucks
  117. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:02 ] Xenuria > or sometimes at my eyes and then away and then at my eyes
  118. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:03 ] Mechaet > if you wanted to meet attractive women you should've been hanging with Stig and I
  119. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:10 ] Mechaet > that dude is a wingman par excellence
  120. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:18 ] Xenuria > I think my criterion for attractive women is different than yours
  121. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:37 ] Mechaet > see? I didn't get any of that sort of crap out of you IRL
  122. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:38 ] Grymwulf > Some say he's hung like a horse, others say horses are hung like him. All we know is, he's called the Stig
  123. [ 2015.12.18 11:59:49 ] Xenuria > I see
  124. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:09 ] Xenuria > Mechaet Is it really so faux pass to say we might like different things?
  125. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:10 ] Kranus Naari > Grymwulf I totally read that in his voice...
  126. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:15 ] Grymwulf > yep
  127. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:20 ] Mechaet > but your posting and your chatting is just.. ugh.
  128. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:22 ] Xenuria > http://i.imgur.com/BQC4Jfd.jpg take for example this.
  129. [ 2015.12.18 12:00:33 ] Xenuria > There weren't any women like that in vegas.
  130. [ 2015.12.18 12:01:06 ] Grymwulf > ahh you like the prepubescent boy-women I see
  131. [ 2015.12.18 12:01:16 ] Mechaet > that's the thing, though.
  132. [ 2015.12.18 12:01:21 ] Xenuria > Shes my age dude.
  133. [ 2015.12.18 12:01:25 ] Xenuria > Shes in the navy
  134. [ 2015.12.18 12:01:33 ] Xenuria > And she is built like it... wooosh
  135. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:04 ] Mckhenry > wait the fuck? there is a woman in that pic?
  136. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:05 ] Xenuria > Look, if a woman can't keep pace with me or bench me, it's just not gonna work out
  137. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:10 ] Xenuria > facepalm...
  138. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:15 ] Xenuria > Mckhenry go ahead
  139. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:18 ] Mechaet > she's on the left.
  140. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:19 ] Xenuria > make ~the joke~
  141. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:37 ] Grymwulf > it would be a late joke, since it's already been done, but hey shitpost away
  142. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:38 ] Mckhenry > she's allready decided she likes muff?
  143. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:53 ] Xenuria > I think shes bi
  144. [ 2015.12.18 12:02:56 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > Wait, which one is the girl?
  145. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:06 ] Xenuria > Most of the women I date or do anything with are lesbian or bi
  146. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:23 ] Mechaet > ...
  147. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:28 ] Mckhenry > is that something to be proud of?
  148. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:28 ] Mechaet > I can't even.
  149. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:32 ] Rick Nederlander > soo your a lesbian?
  150. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:36 ] Xenuria > I mean, if you like what you like.
  151. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:39 ] Mckhenry > i mean... i guess you support gays or some shit?
  152. [ 2015.12.18 12:03:59 ] Xenuria > Autists don't have gender
  153. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:03 ] Xenuria > It's a social construct
  154. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:05 ] Mechaet > ...
  155. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:09 ] James Amril-Kesh > uh
  156. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:15 ] James Amril-Kesh > I'm pretty sure you don't speak for all of them there
  157. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:16 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > -here- we gooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  158. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:19 ] Mechaet > what the actual fuck.
  159. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:21 ] Xenuria > Dosn't come with our programming and when we learn it acedemically it seems stupid and dumb.
  160. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:23 ] Rick Nederlander > hahaha
  161. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:33 ] Topatus > Holy shit
  162. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:36 ] Xenuria > I'm sorry, are you triggered?
  163. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:40 ] Grymwulf > here we go all wrongplanet and shit
  164. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:46 ] Xenuria > Hold on let me go get some hug boxes for you.
  165. [ 2015.12.18 12:04:46 ] Rick Nederlander > Xenuria gl if that is what makes you happy :)
  166. [ 2015.12.18 12:05:14 ] James Amril-Kesh > usually people with that position are the ones needing the hugboxes
  167. [ 2015.12.18 12:05:17 ] Xenuria > http://i.imgur.com/uc3UyYm.jpg this is a picture of my cat
  168. [ 2015.12.18 12:05:47 ] James Amril-Kesh > gender isn't a social construct, it's the psychological component of human sexual dimorphism
  169. [ 2015.12.18 12:05:58 ] Xenuria > I disagree
  170. [ 2015.12.18 12:06:04 ] Mckhenry > Hey X keep doing Gods work taking the butch chicks off the market more attractive ones for me
  171. [ 2015.12.18 12:06:07 ] Xenuria > the APA would disagree as well but who knows
  172. [ 2015.12.18 12:06:09 ] Grymwulf > gender roles are the social construct
  173. [ 2015.12.18 12:06:11 ] Xenuria > it's all theory
  174. [ 2015.12.18 12:06:16 ] James Amril-Kesh > Grymwulf yep
  175. [ 2015.12.18 12:07:56 ] Grymwulf > heck even gender identity is a social contruct, but the actual physical biological gender is biology
  176. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:12 ] Xenuria > Wat
  177. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:15 ] Xenuria > You mean sex
  178. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:20 ] James Amril-Kesh > nah, gender identity is psychological
  179. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:24 ] Xenuria > Gender isn't real man.
  180. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:41 ] James Amril-Kesh > clearly it is
  181. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:44 ] Xenuria > We've traced the gender identity it's comming from INSIDE the brain.
  182. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:54 ] James Amril-Kesh > that's what psychological means
  183. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:55 ] lasing Hebereke > Gender is real, its just seperate from sexual ID and sex
  184. [ 2015.12.18 12:08:59 ] Xenuria > You normies say gender is real and I say, show me it under a microscope.
  185. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:01 ] Evelyn Shaishi > >Implying that inside the brain isnt biological
  186. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:18 ] James Amril-Kesh > not really, psychology is an aspect of biology
  187. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:19 ] Evelyn Shaishi > There are distinct brain scan differences between male and female in MRI
  188. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:27 ] Xenuria > Gender is just another thing Neurotypicals prop up to differentiate stimuli in a social context.
  189. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:34 ] Xenuria > You want to see my MRIs
  190. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:42 ] Xenuria > I can debunk about 20 years of research with them
  191. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:50 ] Xenuria > Not everything is cut and dry.
  192. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:51 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Good anecdata
  193. [ 2015.12.18 12:09:52 ] Grymwulf > get off the Wrongplanet NT hi-horse. It's a crutch
  194. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:02 ] Xenuria > I'm not an NT
  195. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:04 ] Xenuria > ...
  196. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:10 ] Grymwulf > no you aren't
  197. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:25 ] Grymwulf > but categorizing everyone else as NT is
  198. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:25 ] Xenuria > I'm also not on a highhorse.
  199. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:35 ] Xenuria > Ok, well I am sorry I offended you.
  200. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:54 ] James Amril-Kesh > you didn't offend me. you just miscategorized me
  201. [ 2015.12.18 12:10:55 ] Grymwulf > no actually you aren't, that's part of your social normalization
  202. [ 2015.12.18 12:11:16 ] Grymwulf > it's the accepted/expected response in that situation
  203. [ 2015.12.18 12:12:18 ] Mckhenry > I just like females who like being female... all that grey area shit just isnt for me... but other people can do whatever the fuck they want just leave me out of it
  204. [ 2015.12.18 12:12:34 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I actually think using the term 'Neurotypical" is offensive, especially to people who aren't.
  205. [ 2015.12.18 12:12:55 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And it's exceptionally bigoted to classify an entire group of people and put labels on how they perceive things.
  206. [ 2015.12.18 12:14:12 ] Mckhenry > heh "Neurotypical" thats some uppity shit right there
  207. [ 2015.12.18 12:14:25 ] Mckhenry > first ive heard of that
  208. [ 2015.12.18 12:14:40 ] Evelyn Shaishi > https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi53pDcsOXJAhXEyT4KHUcOBfEQFggeMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNeurotypical&usg=AFQjCNFsFhKUBMzSHSAUAAVu2ZDdE...
  209. [ 2015.12.18 12:14:49 ] Evelyn Shaishi > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical
  210. [ 2015.12.18 12:14:58 ] James Amril-Kesh > first time I heard it I thought it was just a made-up term that self-diagnosis proponents used
  211. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:22 ] Xenuria > You know they can test for over 100 markers in blood for autism
  212. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:29 ] Mechaet > which, to be fair, is pretty insane as a concept
  213. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:30 ] Xenuria > Pretty soon they will be swabbing at checkpoints
  214. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:40 ] Xenuria > That's how it starts
  215. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:42 ] Grymwulf > I've encountered it before in certain communities, but those tend to be Aspie/Wrongplanet/ASD oriented
  216. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:45 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Interestingly enough, you can do the same for gender!
  217. [ 2015.12.18 12:15:46 ] Mechaet > that all or even a vast majority of brains to be firing the same way?
  218. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:07 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi Gender dosn't exist for people with autism.
  219. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:21 ] Grymwulf > Xenuria not entirely correct
  220. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:25 ] James Amril-Kesh > Xenuria the world is going in about 20 different equally Orwellian directions at once
  221. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:30 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Be right back going to do some research.
  222. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:36 ] Grymwulf > it depends where you fall on the spectrum and which axis you lie on
  223. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:43 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > nreds
  224. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:46 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > fml
  225. [ 2015.12.18 12:16:52 ] Xenuria > Ok. so. People with autism have never been documented having any of the following. GID (Gender Identity Disorder) Altizmers, dimentia or any other age related disorder.
  226. [ 2015.12.18 12:17:02 ] Mo'fuhka Jones > cant even get my only joke right
  227. [ 2015.12.18 12:17:20 ] Xenuria > Basically it's something we are socially oblivious too and thus immune to the effects of.
  228. [ 2015.12.18 12:17:34 ] Xenuria > What you don't know can't cause you disphoria essentially.
  229. [ 2015.12.18 12:17:46 ] James Amril-Kesh > that's a pretty big leap
  230. [ 2015.12.18 12:17:47 ] Grymwulf > /emote is going to step back and let the trolling continue
  231. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:06 ] Mechaet > so Alzheimer's is a gender issue?
  232. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:14 ] Xenuria > Autism is a PDD which means developmental checkpoints happen at different times and in different ways.
  233. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:20 ] Xenuria > Well it's gendered mechaet
  234. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:30 ] Xenuria > Look at the statistics for it's gender breakdown
  235. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:32 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Actually, you're categotically wrong.
  236. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:38 ] Xenuria > Enlighten me
  237. [ 2015.12.18 12:18:55 ] James Amril-Kesh > wait, didn't you say you were trans
  238. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:04 ] Xenuria > I said I don't have gender
  239. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:07 ] James Amril-Kesh > how can you be trans then if you're autistic
  240. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:09 ] Xenuria > it dosn't exist/matter for me
  241. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:18 ] Evelyn Shaishi > On average, someone with gender disphoria is MORE likely to display autistic traits than someone who doesn't have gender disphoria.
  242. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:23 ] Xenuria > so by definition that is under the umbrella term yes.
  243. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:36 ] Evelyn Shaishi > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2904453/
  244. [ 2015.12.18 12:19:38 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi Squares and Rectangles
  245. [ 2015.12.18 12:20:04 ] Xenuria > Being Other causes traits seemingly autistic in nature
  246. [ 2015.12.18 12:20:12 ] Xenuria > Autism isn't a mental state it's genetic.
  247. [ 2015.12.18 12:20:33 ] Xenuria > Published online 2010
  248. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:04 ] Xenuria > Yeah, no. Pretty much anything in autism research has to be super recent or it's seen as outdated or based on information that is changed or no longer accurate.
  249. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:18 ] Xenuria > Notice how all the papers cite sources that are less than 2 years old?
  250. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:21 ] Xenuria > That's why
  251. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:23 ] Mechaet > unlike any other form of science
  252. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:35 ] Xenuria > Statistics are not facts
  253. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:39 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Feel free to continue hand-waving evidence because it doesn't fit with your worldview.
  254. [ 2015.12.18 12:21:39 ] Xenuria > Is what I am pointing out
  255. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:06 ] Mechaet > you said none. evelyn just showed definitely some.
  256. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:08 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi I lack the math ability to refute the evidence but I have the research experience to know that nobody uses research that old in the autism field.
  257. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:14 ] Mechaet > categorically wrong, you are it.
  258. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:16 ] James Amril-Kesh > they're facts in their own right. they can be difficult to interpret but that doesn't make them useles
  259. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:27 ] Xenuria > I concede that some fruedian stuff does exist outthere but all of it has been debunked
  260. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:34 ] Evelyn Shaishi > LOL
  261. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:50 ] Mechaet > "it exists, but it also has been debunked"
  262. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:52 ] Mechaet > .
  263. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:55 ] Xenuria > Yes
  264. [ 2015.12.18 12:22:59 ] Xenuria > like the vax link
  265. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:03 ] Xenuria > That guy faked his numbers
  266. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:11 ] Xenuria > So... his research was debunked
  267. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:18 ] James Amril-Kesh > yeah, he had a conflict of interest
  268. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:25 ] Xenuria > Dosn't stop people from saying vaxes cause autism
  269. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:32 ] James Amril-Kesh > those people don't matter
  270. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:33 ] Xenuria > My point being, use RECENT research
  271. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:39 ] James Amril-Kesh > in research, I mean
  272. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:42 ] Evelyn Shaishi > okay okay be right back again
  273. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:45 ] Evelyn Shaishi > if that makes you feel better
  274. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:47 ] Xenuria > because much of the stuff from 2010-2012 has been wildly inaccurate
  275. [ 2015.12.18 12:23:59 ] Xenuria > Or debunked by newer research
  276. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:13 ] Xenuria > That's how this works. I write article A and you write artible B refuting A
  277. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:15 ] Xenuria > etc
  278. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:31 ] Mechaet > because ONE study was debunked from an era, doesn't make ALL studies from that time also debunked. hth.
  279. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:37 ] Xenuria > I didn't say that
  280. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:57 ] Xenuria > but if any of the core premise are refuted that is not just going to affect that one paper
  281. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:59 ] Evelyn Shaishi > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345542/
  282. [ 2015.12.18 12:24:59 ] Mechaet > if it was incorrect it would have been retracted. I don't see that.
  283. [ 2015.12.18 12:25:04 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Does this make you feel any better?
  284. [ 2015.12.18 12:25:14 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi I will read it, haven't seen this one yet.
  285. [ 2015.12.18 12:25:20 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Wait you can have a second to come up with a reason that this is bunk too.
  286. [ 2015.12.18 12:25:33 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi Haven't read it yet, this one is new to me.
  287. [ 2015.12.18 12:26:24 ] Xenuria > ok, this article has serious merit but it dosn't make the argument you think it does
  288. [ 2015.12.18 12:26:43 ] Xenuria > They are talking about the symantics of the DSM criterion changing and how that changes the literature of the subject matter.
  289. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:08 ] Xenuria > Since GID isn't listed as mental illness anymore they are positing that the determinations based off that now change.
  290. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:15 ] Xenuria > Which is, essentially what I have been saying.
  291. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:20 ] Evelyn Shaishi > While citing multiple (and I mean multiple) cases where people with GID have autism, and vice versa.
  292. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:27 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Or are you missing that?
  293. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:39 ] Xenuria > I am saying the criterion is the problem
  294. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:44 ] Xenuria > Which is what this article is also saying
  295. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:45 ] Grymwulf > ^
  296. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:46 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Because all I'm doing is refuting your assertation that "People with ASD don't have GID"
  297. [ 2015.12.18 12:27:53 ] Xenuria > GID
  298. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:00 ] Grymwulf > I'll agree with that Xenuria, but honestly, autism is a spectrum
  299. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:05 ] Xenuria > has been defined differently many times in the past few years
  300. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:26 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Okay, if you can choose to create your own definition of autism and your own definition of gender identity disorder, there's no point in this discussion.
  301. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:27 ] Xenuria > So how can you say that what is presently known is accurate or just leftovers from old research
  302. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:30 ] Grymwulf > some at the deep end find all social norms to be artificial constructs that need to be mentally modelled to attempt to conform
  303. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:31 ] Xenuria > I am not..
  304. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:37 ] Xenuria > Read the article you literally just cited.
  305. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:38 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Especially considering your definition of both are mutually exclusive.
  306. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:41 ] Xenuria > You made my entire argument for me
  307. [ 2015.12.18 12:28:59 ] Xenuria > "However, this new definition represents something of a challenge for certain types of research efforts. Given that the definition relies upon the presence of distress as being a necessary criterion for the label, many individuals with gender-related qu
  308. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:10 ] Mechaet > "acrticle is too old" "article doesn't mean what it says" "what, really, is presently known?"
  309. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:13 ] Xenuria > The article you linked literlaly evicerates your argument and emboldens my own
  310. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:23 ] Evelyn Shaishi > No, it doesn't.
  311. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:29 ] James Amril-Kesh > relativity is too old
  312. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:30 ] Xenuria > Mayeb you should actually read it
  313. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:33 ] James Amril-Kesh > gps satellites don't work anymore
  314. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:37 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I have read it, actually.
  315. [ 2015.12.18 12:29:53 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And what I see is a documented and well-hashed-out link between GID and Autism.
  316. [ 2015.12.18 12:30:04 ] Xenuria > Not a causal one though
  317. [ 2015.12.18 12:30:10 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I never said it was causal.
  318. [ 2015.12.18 12:30:31 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I said that you're wrong in saying "People with autism don't have gender identity disorders".
  319. [ 2015.12.18 12:30:47 ] Xenuria > Which is it abe?
  320. [ 2015.12.18 12:30:56 ] Xenuria > Either they have it and it's documented or they don't.
  321. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:01 ] Xenuria > You can't have it both ways.
  322. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:18 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Some people with autism have GID
  323. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:20 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Some don't
  324. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:27 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Some people with GID have autism
  325. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:30 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Some don't
  326. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:33 ] Xenuria > The article you linked supports my argument that GID in the context of autism is problematic
  327. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:36 ] Xenuria > dues to criterion
  328. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:41 ] Evelyn Shaishi > That wasn't your argument
  329. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:41 ] Xenuria > which is my point
  330. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:48 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Your atgument was 'Autistic people don't have GID'
  331. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:50 ] Xenuria > They can't have it in the same way an NT does
  332. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:55 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Which is categotically incorrect
  333. [ 2015.12.18 12:31:55 ] Xenuria > They don't.
  334. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:19 ] Xenuria > They don't because it's criterion that is incompatible with what we know about autism
  335. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:26 ] Grymwulf > the argument really should be formulated as thus: Many of the symptoms of Autism can be confused with symptoms commonly attributed to GID. The question because is GID a true condition, or just an outgrowth of an underlying Autism Spectrum Disorder.
  336. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:36 ] Grymwulf > *becomes
  337. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:48 ] Xenuria > Ehh... that's a plausible theory
  338. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:50 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I feel as though I've made my points - Any more than this is like arguing with a Christian about God.
  339. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:55 ] Xenuria > But these are theories
  340. [ 2015.12.18 12:32:57 ] Xenuria > not facts
  341. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:01 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I appreciate the intellectual discource.
  342. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:10 ] Xenuria > tips fedora~
  343. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:14 ] Grymwulf > as I said, a question (aka theory)
  344. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:36 ] Grymwulf > well okay not exactly a theory
  345. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:37 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi Let's try something simpler. Autism and Dimentia/age related brain disorders.
  346. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:39 ] Grymwulf > *sigh*
  347. [ 2015.12.18 12:33:51 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And of course, all of the respect you've shown, both for us and for the scientific process in general.
  348. [ 2015.12.18 12:34:31 ] Evelyn Shaishi > As far as I understand, there are certain genetic sequences related to autism that are also related to the prevention of dimentia. It's pretty cut and dried there.
  349. [ 2015.12.18 12:34:43 ] Xenuria > Oh ok, then we can agree on that at least
  350. [ 2015.12.18 12:34:50 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And has absolutely nothing to do with 'Autistic people don't experience age because age is a social construct'
  351. [ 2015.12.18 12:34:56 ] Xenuria > Lol what
  352. [ 2015.12.18 12:34:58 ] Xenuria > I never said that
  353. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:02 ] Grymwulf > the problem with dementia and other brain disorders is that they are recognized as a failure in a patients normal cognitive functions as they relate to social norms. Since Autism is already a divergence in a patients normal cognitive functions from
  354. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:09 ] Evelyn Shaishi > That's like saying 'black people don't experience sunburn, beause the sun is a social construct'
  355. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:23 ] Grymwulf > society's norms, how do those syndroms manifest in the ASD population?
  356. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:38 ] Evelyn Shaishi > That's a really good way to look at it, Grym
  357. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:53 ] Grymwulf > I wouldn't expect them to manifest the same
  358. [ 2015.12.18 12:35:57 ] Xenuria > Grym your basically saying what I am trying to say. Categorization is difficult when the person in question is outside the normal boxes and walls
  359. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:04 ] Grymwulf > exactly
  360. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:08 ] Grymwulf > I'm agreeing with you
  361. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:10 ] Evelyn Shaishi > By the way, do Eve's commas look like periods to you guys?
  362. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:11 ] Xenuria > I am not smart enough to articulate it as effectively as you are.
  363. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:17 ] Xenuria > They do
  364. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:40 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Pain in the ass
  365. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:47 ] Grymwulf > language is just another social construct. If you study and model it enough, you can use it to advantage
  366. [ 2015.12.18 12:36:51 ] Xenuria > But yeah we are agreeing in that it's problematic to apply these criterion, be they GID or dimention to a subject whos full of false positives.
  367. [ 2015.12.18 12:37:20 ] Xenuria > You wouldn't apply measuring propertise of a square to a sphere and if you did it would muddy the waters
  368. [ 2015.12.18 12:37:26 ] Grymwulf > at least that's how I deal with my ASD, it's all Role Playing and mask wearing
  369. [ 2015.12.18 12:38:02 ] Xenuria > I have been fortunate in that I have a overdeveloped sense of empathy
  370. [ 2015.12.18 12:38:14 ] Xenuria > It drives and motivates me to learn and communicate with my fellow humans.
  371. [ 2015.12.18 12:38:30 ] Xenuria > A high functioning autist without empathy is a dangerous variable
  372. [ 2015.12.18 12:38:43 ] Grymwulf > correct
  373. [ 2015.12.18 12:38:56 ] Xenuria > Amusing how everybody agrees on that
  374. [ 2015.12.18 12:39:15 ] Xenuria > Or gets the notion of an existential threat like a bong villian in training or something
  375. [ 2015.12.18 12:39:29 ] Xenuria > When the Autistic Singularity happens all will be garlic knots.
  376. [ 2015.12.18 12:39:40 ] Grymwulf > yes
  377. [ 2015.12.18 12:40:23 ] Grymwulf > emotional resonance is an issue, too often the tools that are used by more neurotypical individuals are malformed or non-existant in the ASD population
  378. [ 2015.12.18 12:40:33 ] Xenuria > Right
  379. [ 2015.12.18 12:40:45 ] Xenuria > This entire argument/debate comes down to the result of using the wrong tools
  380. [ 2015.12.18 12:40:51 ] Xenuria > and getting data points that are contradictory
  381. [ 2015.12.18 12:40:52 ] Grymwulf > exactly
  382. [ 2015.12.18 12:41:29 ] Xenuria > A good argument is like good sex, everybody comes to a conclusion in the end.
  383. [ 2015.12.18 12:41:54 ] Mechaet > except when one whole side of the argument fails to embrace even basic logic
  384. [ 2015.12.18 12:42:04 ] Xenuria > Mechaet Explain
  385. [ 2015.12.18 12:42:18 ] Grymwulf > There are some on the ASD that are essentially asexual or genderless, while others have malformed tools that either interfere with social normative gender roles/identities, while yet others never achieve the understanding of 'limits'
  386. [ 2015.12.18 12:42:50 ] Xenuria > Yes, the science world is grappleing with the phasing out of buttons in place of sliders
  387. [ 2015.12.18 12:43:01 ] Xenuria > A world of far more greys then they ever imagined
  388. [ 2015.12.18 12:43:26 ] Xenuria > Instead of 1 0 we have 1 2 3 4 .. etc etc
  389. [ 2015.12.18 12:43:31 ] Grymwulf > yes that's why I prefer ASD or being on the 'spectrum' because that implies a range of possibilities versus a binary set
  390. [ 2015.12.18 12:43:34 ] Xenuria > Really fuckes with older research
  391. [ 2015.12.18 12:43:42 ] Xenuria > Which is why only newer stuff is used seriously
  392. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:02 ] Xenuria > Binary logic gives NTs comfort
  393. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:14 ] Xenuria > It's simpler than the reality of grey areas
  394. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:23 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Again, that's unfair categorization and quite bigoted.
  395. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:32 ] Xenuria > Are you triggered?
  396. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:41 ] Grymwulf > I think he is
  397. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:48 ] Evelyn Shaishi > No, generally words don't bother me.
  398. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:50 ] Xenuria > I think I microaggressed.
  399. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:53 ] Xenuria > My bad
  400. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:54 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I'm only telling you it's offensive.
  401. [ 2015.12.18 12:44:58 ] Xenuria > to who?
  402. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:00 ] Xenuria > Normies?
  403. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:02 ] Grymwulf > and why?
  404. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:05 ] Xenuria > ^
  405. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:08 ] Falk vonTreskow > That sounds retarded.
  406. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:14 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And now you're implying the feelings of 'normal' people don't matter.
  407. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:22 ] Evelyn Shaishi > But I'm sure that's justified in your mind.
  408. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:33 ] Xenuria > I am doing no such thing
  409. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:39 ] Grymwulf > no they matter, it's just I don't understand your underlying point, and am failing to model your feelings because of it
  410. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:41 ] Xenuria > If they didn't matter I wouldn't find query in your atatement.
  411. [ 2015.12.18 12:45:53 ] Xenuria > Grymwulf yup
  412. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:07 ] Xenuria > Does being called a NT make you feel inadequat?
  413. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:20 ] Xenuria > Or do you think it's some sort of eugenisist conspiracy?
  414. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:21 ] Evelyn Shaishi > No, being told that I must think a certain way because I'm NT does.
  415. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:28 ] Xenuria > We didn't say that.
  416. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:40 ] Xenuria > Your making jumps and leaps from small rocks
  417. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:41 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "Xenuria > Binary logic gives NTs comfort"
  418. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:45 ] Xenuria > IT does,
  419. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:49 ] Xenuria > it gives everybody comfort
  420. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:54 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Unfair categorization
  421. [ 2015.12.18 12:46:55 ] Xenuria > that's how the human brain works.
  422. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:08 ] Grymwulf > Neurotypical does imply that it is the 'typical' - we never said you were NT
  423. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:17 ] Xenuria > Yeah
  424. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:25 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Okay, here's another phrasing, very similar to what you said.
  425. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:27 ] Xenuria > Your taking offence to something nebulous
  426. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:29 ] Grymwulf > If you self identify as such, that is not our responsibility
  427. [ 2015.12.18 12:47:33 ] Xenuria > ^
  428. [ 2015.12.18 12:48:28 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "Committing crimes and undergoing violent acts are psychologically cause the release of dopamine for black people"
  429. [ 2015.12.18 12:48:45 ] Xenuria > lolwat
  430. [ 2015.12.18 12:48:48 ] Grymwulf > why are you trying to be racist?
  431. [ 2015.12.18 12:48:49 ] Xenuria > Ok, now you really lost me
  432. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:06 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Even if it's true for everyone, it's still a bigoted statement because you're looking down upon a group and pinpointing that group for having a certain characteristic.
  433. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:08 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi any semblence of legitimacy you may have had is lampooned by that statement
  434. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:16 ] Xenuria > Your just going /pol/ on us now.
  435. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:36 ] Grymwulf > Is there a black/white version of Godwin's law?
  436. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:40 ] James Amril-Kesh > let's not all get outraged, it was an analogy
  437. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:41 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Risk-taking is a dopamine release for anyone.
  438. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:55 ] Maya Cinderfort > can't you just all agree you're being a bit autistic yourself ?
  439. [ 2015.12.18 12:49:58 ] Xenuria > What does black people and risk taking have to do with you being triggeref?
  440. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:00 ] Grymwulf > So you are saying black people are autistic? is that the analogy?
  441. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:07 ] Xenuria > Yeah... Im not getting it
  442. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:15 ] Xenuria > Im not black and I have autism so...
  443. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:20 ] Xenuria > Where are you going with this?
  444. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:23 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "NT see things in binary"
  445. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:32 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "Black people have fun stealing"
  446. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:38 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "Everyone sees things in binary"
  447. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:39 ] Xenuria > I don't think I said that
  448. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:47 ] Evelyn Shaishi > "Xenuria > Binary logic gives NTs comfort"
  449. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:48 ] Xenuria > I am pretty sure I said binary logic brings them confort
  450. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:54 ] Evelyn Shaishi > But it's okay to say that
  451. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:56 ] Maya Cinderfort > he wanted to say that saying all black ppl are criminal by nature is as wrong as your approach on the topic
  452. [ 2015.12.18 12:50:59 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Because it brings everyone comfort?
  453. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:00 ] Xenuria > That's very different from the words you are attempting to put in my mouth
  454. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:06 ] Xenuria > I agree it brings everybody comfort.
  455. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:09 ] Xenuria > Whats your point
  456. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:13 ] Grymwulf > Most people are reasured by a yes or no answer. This is the accepted 'typical' - just study anyone in sales or attempting to influence people
  457. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:15 ] Xenuria > What does any of this have to do with black people?
  458. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:20 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Okay, so that makes it okay for you to say "Binary logic gives NTs comfort"
  459. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:30 ] Xenuria > Because its a fact
  460. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:30 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Because it gives everyone comfort?
  461. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:31 ] Grymwulf > They give a limited set of options to produce a desired result
  462. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:31 ] Xenuria > lol
  463. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:32 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Correct?
  464. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:53 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi Dude, don't take this the wrong way but... I think you should bow out.
  465. [ 2015.12.18 12:51:57 ] James Amril-Kesh > saying that binary logic gives a specific group of people comfort is implying that they have cognitive limitations
  466. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:10 ] Xenuria > Your trying to out rabbit hole 2 autists with an argument that hasn't been relevant since the 60s
  467. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:12 ] James Amril-Kesh > compared to those not of that group
  468. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:16 ] Grymwulf > no, just cognitive preferences
  469. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:32 ] James Amril-Kesh > it's still an implied inferiority
  470. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:37 ] Evelyn Shaishi > What argument are you talking about? Are you calling me racist now?
  471. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:44 ] Xenuria > Implying Implications
  472. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:47 ] Grymwulf > actually no, just different approaches at survival mechanisms
  473. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:48 ] Maya Cinderfort > binary logic gives every single human comfort so some degree, maybe a bit more for certain groups of ppl
  474. [ 2015.12.18 12:52:54 ] Maya Cinderfort > *to some
  475. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:22 ] James Amril-Kesh > so then the statement should have been that binary logic gives people comfort
  476. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:24 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Anyone know how to resume skill queue?
  477. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:28 ] Evelyn Shaishi > ^
  478. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:29 ] Grymwulf > A typical person has the fight or flight response (binary) - while someone on the spectrum can be confused and go a different rought
  479. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:36 ] Xenuria > Evelyn Shaishi before you spill your tumbler all over us just remember that this all started with you linking an article about autism and gender that refuted the central premise of the argument you were attempting to make.,
  480. [ 2015.12.18 12:53:40 ] Grymwulf > *route
  481. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:30 ] Evelyn Shaishi > No, it actually completely reinforced the argument I'm trying to make.
  482. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:36 ] Xenuria > Which is...
  483. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:40 ] Xenuria > black people are autistic?
  484. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:46 ] James Amril-Kesh > I'm not a fan of SJWs either, but going around asking people if they're triggered when they disagree with you is kind of obnoxious
  485. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:46 ] Xenuria > What is your argument anyway
  486. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:50 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And I'm the unreasonable one here.
  487. [ 2015.12.18 12:54:59 ] Maya Cinderfort > Xenuria let him speak out without having to defend himself pls
  488. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:04 ] Xenuria > k
  489. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:08 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Nah I'm done
  490. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:10 ] Maya Cinderfort > Evelyn Shaishi 3 liner on your argument pls
  491. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:12 ] Evelyn Shaishi > There is no reasoning with this person
  492. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:18 ] Evelyn Shaishi > Here's my 3 liner
  493. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:21 ] Xenuria > Enjoy your vegan potluck
  494. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:26 ] James Amril-Kesh > I think you both had valid points
  495. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:32 ] Xenuria > I have pants
  496. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:32 ] Xenuria > ok
  497. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:35 ] Mechaet > asking people if they're triggered whilst continuing to insult them is not only obnoxious but baiting
  498. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:36 ] Xenuria > you cant say shit to that
  499. [ 2015.12.18 12:55:52 ] James Amril-Kesh > Mechaet yeah
  500. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:05 ] Evelyn Shaishi > > Xenuria says Autistic people can't have GID> I post an article commenting on the links between autism and GID and documented occurences of cases where people have both
  501. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:25 ] Xenuria > It said the criteria for GID isn't compatible with autism
  502. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:27 ] Xenuria > hence my point
  503. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:35 ] Xenuria > You should actually READ the article you posted
  504. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:37 ] Xenuria > lol
  505. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:41 ] Evelyn Shaishi > I actually did.
  506. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:43 ] Xenuria > ok then
  507. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:49 ] Evelyn Shaishi > And I think the conclusions you're drawing are incorrect.
  508. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:49 ] Grymwulf > Good night folks, I enjoyed our discussion
  509. [ 2015.12.18 12:56:53 ] Evelyn Shaishi > ^
  510. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:10 ] Evelyn Shaishi > But instead of having reasonable discourse, you continue to throw insults.
  511. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:23 ] Jeremy Crow > [Multiple Items]
  512. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:24 ] Maya Cinderfort > so we agree that we disagree, it's something i guess & a legit outcome to a discussing, there is no need for someone to "win"
  513. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:25 ] Xenuria > Refuting your central premise is an insult
  514. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:35 ] Xenuria > And insult to yout central premis
  515. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:38 ] Evelyn Shaishi > No, because you've never done that.
  516. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:44 ] BANE LINX > Matt Damon
  517. [ 2015.12.18 12:57:55 ] Xenuria > I know you are but what am I?
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