[17:23] <Setsuna> Helllo.
[17:23] <TurtleShroom> Hello.
[17:24] <Setsuna> EM's on... I used a girl's name from an anime to keep him from thinking it's me...
[17:24] <TurtleShroom> O_O
[17:24] <TurtleShroom> OH.
[17:25] <TurtleShroom> ..........
[17:25] <Setsuna> Yeah...
[17:25] <TurtleShroom> Do you watch much television?
[17:26] <Setsuna> No, I actually don't watch television at all.
[17:26] <TurtleShroom> Oh.
[17:26] <TurtleShroom> All righty then.
[17:27] <Setsuna> Um Ts, last night, I told Explorer about EM. He thinks I should tell the staff but....
[17:27] <Setsuna> What do you think?
[17:27] <TurtleShroom> Tell them.
[17:28] <Setsuna> I kind of want to, but at the same time I... I'm still in love with him, as crazy as it sounds....
[17:29] <TurtleShroom> Eehhhhhhhhhhh...
[17:29] <TurtleShroom> Then accept his apology!
[17:29] <Setsuna> ...I know... But... He lied to me all this time so....
[17:30] <Setsuna> I know that if I stay with him it'll gradually lead me to my death....
[17:30] <Setsuna> Or something worse...
[17:30] <TurtleShroom> O_O
[17:30] <TurtleShroom> He won't take your life, Iceflower.
[17:30] <Setsuna> I don't know about that...
[17:31] <TurtleShroom> I'll tell you what. If you can give several years, I'll come on down and meet you, and we'll draft up a restraining order from MM. :\
[17:31] <TurtleShroom> You really think he's going to kill you, friend?
[17:32] <Setsuna> Well, he seems to be telling me so by his really dark poetry that was really a warning made to mock and trick me...
[17:32] <TurtleShroom> Emoist poetry isn't a sign of death, Iceflower.
[17:33] <TurtleShroom> As an example, I am a strong advocate and supporter of the death penalty.
[17:33] <TurtleShroom> I love to see rapists and murderers strapped to tables or nooses and taken from this earth, as it should be.
[17:33] <TurtleShroom> Yet, I'm not a manaic that's going to haunt you at night.
[17:33] <TurtleShroom> Nor am I a bad man.
[17:33] <TurtleShroom> Nor am I going to kill anyone!
[17:34] <TurtleShroom> So MM has an interest in death? This isn't a sign that he will take your life.
[17:34] <Setsuna> I know, but he wants me. That's why he's not giving up.
[17:34] <TurtleShroom> Iceflower, I can assure you that MM is NOT out for your life.
[17:34] <Setsuna> How?
[17:34] <TurtleShroom> That sounds so..... fundamentally unholy.
[17:35] <TurtleShroom> The way you worded "he wants me"... implies... /shivers/
[17:35] <Setsuna> Exactly.
[17:35] <TurtleShroom> You think he's going to...
[17:35] <Setsuna> I'm afraid for my life TS.
[17:35] <TurtleShroom> Do THAT?
[17:35] <Setsuna> ... At worst, yes.
[17:35] <TurtleShroom> That's a fate worse than death, actually...
[17:35] <TurtleShroom> Is there anything I can do
[17:36] <TurtleShroom> MM's been begging me to explain why you're ignoring him.
[17:36] <TurtleShroom> May I explain why you won't talk to him?
[17:36] <Setsuna> Please don't tell him....
[17:36] <TurtleShroom> Iceflower, he's desperate to figure out why you're ignoring him...
[17:37] <TurtleShroom> ...-but bound by my word, I can't tell him without permission. -_-
[17:37] <TurtleShroom> Can I at least tell him WHY you fear him>?
[17:37] <TurtleShroom> I think if he finds out that you think he's a rapist, he'll never bug you again...
[17:37] <Setsuna> No. That'll give everything away.
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> ...-because the kid certainly isn't a rapist.
[17:38] <Setsuna> He's not a kid.
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> SN apparently spilt the beans. :(
[17:38] <Setsuna> What?
[17:38] <Setsuna> No...
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> [18:37] <EternalMagma> Well Swiss Ninja explained most of it yesterday
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> [18:38] <TurtleShroom> SN LEAKED IT?!
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> [18:38] <EternalMagma> in fact, he explained everything
[17:38] <TurtleShroom> [18:38] <EternalMagma> Wha-? He told me he was talking to her at the time, I thought it was known
[17:39] <TurtleShroom> Apaprently, he knows........
[17:39] <TurtleShroom> ....-but I'll keep you safe. This, I assure you.
[17:40] <Setsuna> TS.... You do know, that if EM knows who knows about his secret, the only way he'll be able to silence us is by death.
[17:40] <TurtleShroom> He's not going to kill you!
[17:40] <Setsuna> So far, you, Swiss, Jsudsu, Explorer and I are in danger...
[17:40] <TurtleShroom> I'm not in danger.
[17:41] <TurtleShroom> The twerp isn't even five hundred miles from me.
[17:41] <Setsuna> I hope not... I'm so sorry for dragging you and Explorer into all this...

[17:42] <TurtleShroom> You are forgiven. In fact, this is the right thing to do.
[17:42] <Setsuna> Really? Thanks, but... What do we do now?
[17:42] <TurtleShroom> [18:39] <TurtleShroom> ...-and frankly, I believe her.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:39] <TurtleShroom> Especially the way you word things.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:39] <EternalMagma> Oh you have got to be kidding.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:39] <TurtleShroom> No, actually.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:40] <EternalMagma> So you also think, that I am an adult and I was grooming her or something?
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:40] <TurtleShroom> No, she thinks that you're an adult and you want to kill her.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:40] <EternalMagma> Okay. Find out personal information, fine whatever. Rape, too far. KILL? Come on! I don't even know why this happened.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <EternalMagma> And you agree with all this?
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <TurtleShroom> I don't agree with the rape or the murder.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <TurtleShroom> However, I believe her in full when she says you are invading her privacy.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <EternalMagma> You wanna know why I was so forceful that one day?
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <EternalMagma> Cause I thought to myself
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:41] <EternalMagma> If she doesn't trust me enough to show me what she looks like, maybe she doesn't trust me at all
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <EternalMagma> and I wanted this to last forever, I know it's stupid but I did, so I wanted to sort that out
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <EternalMagma> I was a stupid idiot for wording everything the way I did, I must've sounded creepy
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <TurtleShroom> That sounds like a lie, to me. You NEVER reveal your face online.
[17:43] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <EternalMagma> But I would not try to invade her privacy. I'm not strong enough to ever be that mean. I'm not that person.
[17:43] <Setsuna> ... I don't believe a word he says.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> I don't trsut him, either.
[17:44] <Setsuna> Why did you tell him?
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <TurtleShroom> That sounds like a lie, to me. You NEVER reveal your face online.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:42] <EternalMagma> But I would not try to invade her privacy. I'm not strong enough to ever be that mean. I'm not that person.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <EternalMagma> TS
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <EternalMagma> I did reveal my face
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <EternalMagma> You saw my awesome hair
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> I did, and I know...
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> ...-but compelling another to do so... is wrong.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> No wonder she's terrified!
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <EternalMagma> Yeah.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <EternalMagma> I already beat myself up about it.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> Well, the right thing to do is *never bother her again* .
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> In any way.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> Shape.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> Form.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> [18:43] <TurtleShroom> Or fashion.
[17:44] <TurtleShroom> SN told him. I didn't.
[17:44] <Setsuna> Oh...
[17:45] <Setsuna> Swiss Ninja....
[17:45] <TurtleShroom> By the way, he says you have a lawyer. Is this true?
[17:45] <Setsuna> No. I have a trust counselor, not a lawyer.
[17:45] <TurtleShroom> Oh.
[17:46] <Setsuna> I can't believe, Swiss...
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:44] <TurtleShroom> ...-and if you do, I'll be old enough to find you and sue the pants off of you in her name.
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <EternalMagma> Why can no one trust me? You know me better than anyone on this wiki! I'm not some creep that finds vulnurable girls and forces them to show pictures of themselves, I can't be mean to anyone I even care for without hating myself afterwards.
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <TurtleShroom> She doesn't have a lawyer, MM.
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <EternalMagma> Swiss said she got the government involed
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <EternalMagma> then he said she had an attorney
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <TurtleShroom> I want to believe you, but she's terrified for her life.
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:45] <EternalMagma> and that people would come to my house
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> [18:46] <TurtleShroom> Who to believe?
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> MM is right, though. I DO know him, actually.
[17:46] <TurtleShroom> Not personally, but I've worked with him for years.
[17:47] <Setsuna> I know but...
[17:47] <TurtleShroom> [18:46] <EternalMagma> TS, I thought I loved her, and if she didn't trust me, I wouldn't know what to do, I shouldn't have compelled her like that, but I am anything but creepy or dark.
[17:48] <Setsuna> TS, I have a lot of evidence that he's an adult. None of his innocent words will- Wait, are you talking to him right now?
[17:48] <TurtleShroom> Yes ma'am.
[17:48] <TurtleShroom> He does not know you are Setsuna.
[17:48] <Setsuna> .... I, I have to go...
[17:48] <TurtleShroom> No!
[17:49] <Setsuna> Are you sure?
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> I am indeed.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> Besides, I'm almost eighteen. If I must, I'll protect you myself.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <TurtleShroom> I'll tell you what.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <EternalMagma> I am emotional, not some weird stalker freak.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <TurtleShroom> Wait until July.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <EternalMagma> What happens then.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <TurtleShroom> I'll get you to sign a contract to never approach Iceflower again.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <EternalMagma> TS this is insane.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <TurtleShroom> You'll have to get your parents to co-sign, because you're a minor.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:47] <EternalMagma> Look, I will glady stay away from her after this. And I don't think I want to talk to you much either.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:48] <TurtleShroom> As much as I want to believe you, such fear is hard to cast aside.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:48] <TurtleShroom> I really like you, MM... -and I truly want to believe you are a great man.
[17:49] <TurtleShroom> [18:48] <TurtleShroom> YET, why would she be so horrified?
[17:50] <TurtleShroom> [18:49] <EternalMagma> Because, she's vulnurable, she was scared about revealing information, which is why I hate myself for even bringing that fact up. I thought we'd have a relationship, that's why I did it. But I am not an adult rapist or something. I am just a kid. Nothing more.
[17:50] <Setsuna> He sounds too mature to be a kid, more so, an 11 year old...
[17:50] <TurtleShroom> Well, Explorer is far too mature to be twelve.

[17:50] <TurtleShroom> Well, Explorer is far too mature to be twelve.
[17:51] <TurtleShroom> Iceflower, he's not going to rape or murder you.
[17:51] <Setsuna> What...? I thought he was at least 16!
[17:52] <TurtleShroom> He's twelve.
[17:52] <TurtleShroom> I have met Explorer face to face. I assure you, he is twelve.
[17:52] <Setsuna> You have? Before you joined this site or after?
[17:52] <TurtleShroom> After.
[17:52] <TurtleShroom> I met him last summer.
[17:52] <Setsuna> How?
[17:53] <TurtleShroom> We arranged a meeting in private.
[17:53] <TurtleShroom> We spent weeks planning it, and finally succeeded.
[17:53] <TurtleShroom> It was the time of my life.
[17:53] <Setsuna> What...? I thought it was dangerous to meet people online?
[17:54] <TurtleShroom> It is.
[17:54] <TurtleShroom> That's why we did it in a public park with my parents, sister, and two witnesses.
[17:54] <Setsuna> Oh, okay.
[17:54] <TurtleShroom> In the park's busiest month.
[17:54] <TurtleShroom> See, you CAN meet online people, but you have to take EXTREME PRECAUTIONS.
[17:54] <Setsuna> Wow...
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:52] <EternalMagma> If I remember correctly, I said something along the lines of "If you can't trust me, I don't know if this will work out" which was a bit deemeaning, yes. I didn't say "YOU'LL SEND ME YOUR PICTURE, RIGHT?" or something, I said "Will you please think about it?" I even said I'd wait as long as I need. Not to wait for a picture, but to wait for her to try and trust me.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:52] <EternalMagma> as long as she needs*
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:52] <TurtleShroom> :\
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:52] <TurtleShroom> That doesn't match her testimony.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:52] <EternalMagma> What?
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:53] <EternalMagma> What is her testimony?
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:53] <TurtleShroom> She says you constantly nagged and asked for it againand again.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:53] <TurtleShroom> You continued to follow her without ceasing.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:53] <EternalMagma> WHAT? I only remember mentioning it twice.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:53] <EternalMagma> That is a complete lie, I could probably prove it, it might take a while to go through the logs.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:54] <EternalMagma> I remember talking about it, and she said "Can you not bring that up again" and I said, okay. Yeah, I did later, but I was trying to be as careful as I could. Another time was when she said she would in front of swiss but when I asked, she said she was just saying it to get him to not ask about it, then there was some silence, but that was it.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> [18:54] <TurtleShroom> Icrflower does not lie.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> Iceflower, MM is defending himself to the death.
[17:55] <TurtleShroom> Really, I believe you both.
[17:56] <TurtleShroom> I believe he overstepped his bounds, but I also believe that you are becoming paranoid.
[17:56] <Setsuna> I know this is hard to believe TS, but I know what he's really trying to do, and I'm not falling for it.

[17:57] <TurtleShroom> Iceflower, I've known MM for a long time.
[17:58] <Setsuna> ... Worst timing ever, I have to eat dinner. I'll be back.
[17:58] <TurtleShroom> I don't think he's an adult, murderer, or rapist. I do think he did wrong and I do think he tried to invade your privacy.
[17:58] <TurtleShroom> ...-BUT HE'S NOT AFTER YOUR LIFE!
[17:58] <Setsuna> I really have to go now TS, but I'm not going to log off the IRC.
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> He's got logs!
[17:59] <Setsuna> See you in a while.
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> He's produced a chat log alledgedly between you two.
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> Here:
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> [18:57] <EternalMagma> Ohh I remember this part. I was nervous about talking about it, and I was trying to ease into the conversation. That was mostly cause zone told me if I don't talk about it, I'll regret it in the future.
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> [18:58] <EternalMagma> Here's what I said
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> [18:58] <EternalMagma> "I know we've spoken about it before, and you told me not to, the whole me not knowing what you look like thing, I agree I was stupid last time to even bring it up but well, it's not just about that anymore. I know the reason you didn't agree to do anything about it was because it isn't safe on the internet, but..is that because you don't trust me? Because you still...
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> ...have that little worry...
[17:59] <TurtleShroom> [18:58] <EternalMagma> ...that I could be..not who I say I am? This also leads me to believe, that, well, if you can't trust that I am just an 11 year old and nothing else then well, I don't think you'll ever be able to trust me from anything further than that, and if you can't trust me enough..I don't know if this will work.."
[18:02] <TurtleShroom> [18:59] <EternalMagma> Ohh I think I know what she means
[18:02] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <EternalMagma> Y'see I was in this mindset that when I grew up I'd probably try and find her to meet her, but it probably came out wrong.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <TurtleShroom> O_O
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <TurtleShroom> YA THINK?
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <EternalMagma> Yeah..yeah.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <EternalMagma> I honestly thought it'd last forever, probably stupid to.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <TurtleShroom> This is a young prepubescent girl we're talking about here! What sort of man says that to a little girl ON THE INTERNET?
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:00] <EternalMagma> She's 15!
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <TurtleShroom> SUUUUUUUURE! ...-and you're eleven!
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <EternalMagma> And, I did say when I'm older. You are right, I wasn't right to say it, but this doesn't mean I'm a killer.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <EternalMagma> I'm 12 actually.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <TurtleShroom> I bet she lied about her age to skirt COPPA.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <TurtleShroom> You're not a killer.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <TurtleShroom> ...-but you've traumatized Iceflower.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:01] <TurtleShroom> Possibly irreversably.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:02] <TurtleShroom> She has honestly convinced herself that you are some blackhearted raping murdererer-to-be. You're not, but I can't seem to convince her.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:02] <TurtleShroom> She even says that you're smooth-talking me and buttering me up to side with you.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:02] <EternalMagma> This is so ridiculous.
[18:03] <TurtleShroom> [19:02] <TurtleShroom> She came to me before anyone else, even her RL friends, and I can't just back down on her because I agree with you on her paranoia.