VirtualPreacher kickbanning without warnings

[17:46] <@VirtualPreacher> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/09/oregon-allowing-15-year-olds-to-get-state-subsidized-sex-change-operations/?intcmp=latestnews
[17:47] <+laroja> Okay
[17:47] <@VirtualPreacher> The list of things 15-year-olds are not legally allowed to do in Oregon is long: Drive, smoke, donate blood, get a tattoo -- even go to a tanning bed.
[17:47] <@VirtualPreacher> But, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a sex-change operation.
[17:47] <+BrianDamage> It's about time.
[17:47] <+laroja> Okay
[17:47] <@VirtualPreacher> Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification -- and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.
[17:48] <+BrianDamage> nice
[17:48] <+BrianDamage> I hope other states adopt this plan.
[17:49] <+Sardaukar> by 15 you know what your sexual ID is these days
[17:49] <+laroja> I wonder if there is a better more reliable/credible source for this
[17:49] <+BrianDamage> lol
[17:50] <+BrianDamage> You mean other than media made for 68 year old homophobic white Republicans?
[17:50] <@VirtualPreacher> According to a 2008 study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, "most children with gender dysphoria will not remain gender dysphoric after puberty."
[17:50] <+laroja> Not specifically. This means that Oregon State Law or the state law where the surgery will take place dictates surgical requirements. In Oregon the medical age of consent is 15.  All other requirements listed for surgery must be met before approval
[17:50] <+laroja> Oh so
[17:50] <+laroja> All medical things
[17:50] <+laroja> Not just this.
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[17:50] <@VirtualPreacher> Dr. Paul McHugh, who led the Johns Hopkins Psychiatry Department and still practices, said Oregon's policy amounts to child abuse. "We have a very radical and even mutilating treatment being offered to children without any evidence that the long-term outcome of this would be good," McHugh said.
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[17:51] <@VirtualPreacher> it would seem that claim is not supported by these studies published in the journal of the american academy of child and adolescent psychiatry.
[17:51] <+BillyJoel> i get that journal
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[17:52] <+BillyJoel> what claim
[17:53] <+laroja> lol child abuse
[17:53] <@VirtualPreacher> yes. child abuse.
[17:53] <+laroja> Nah
[17:53] <+kissa> many parents can't accept, that their grown child is homosexual... accepting  sex change, might be even harder for some parents to take....   Oregon has put lots thought to this ...   and as often, found a right solution
[17:54] <@VirtualPreacher> physically mutilating a healthy 15 year old child, even at the request of the child, is child abuse.
[17:54] <+laroja> At 15 you can legally make all medical decisions if you want
[17:54] <+Sardaukar> when you phrase it in your terms im sure you think so
[17:54] <+laroja> So I guess if the 15 year old wants to do it then it is not abusing any children
[17:55] <+laroja> Hope that helps when figuring out how making a decision for yourself isn't anyone abusing you
[17:55] <+BillyJoel> That's odd there's a differet level of confidentiality before 18 anyway
[17:55] <@VirtualPreacher> you dont seem to be familiar with appeal to law fallacy.
[17:55] <@VirtualPreacher> no one is disputing that this is the law in oregon.
[17:55] <@VirtualPreacher> the question obviously is are they on acid
[17:55] <+BillyJoel> acid doesn't make people violent
[17:56] <+Sardaukar> that is not obviously the question at all
[17:56] <+spike^_> if a female raped me i wouldn't mind
[17:56] <+Sardaukar> spike^_ even if it were rosie odonnel?
[17:56] <+laroja> Everything seems fine by me
[17:56] <+BillyJoel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XbLBEegJK0
[17:56] <+DeeperStill> it wouldnt be rape if you didnt mind
[17:56] <+BillyJoel> ^^ Abortion in the Bible
[17:56] <+kissa> Oregon is only state, which also has a 'right to die with dignity law'  ...  Oregon seems to be heavy on individual person's rights
[17:57] <+BillyJoel> !rsv Lev 20:1-5
[17:57] <@BibleBot> Please limit the range to 4 or fewer verses.
[17:57] <+spike^_> sardukar: good point
[17:57] <+BillyJoel> !rsv Lev 20:1-4
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[17:57] <@BibleBot> Lev20:1 The LORD said to Moses,
[17:57] <@BibleBot> Lev20:2 "Say to the people of Israel, Any man of the people of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, who
gives any of his children to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
[17:57] * BibleBot sets mode: +v BlackXanthus
[17:57] <@BibleBot> Lev20:3 I myself will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name.
[17:57] <+Sardaukar> and recreational pot is now legal in oregon
[17:57] * +Splat limits biblebot's range ;-P
[17:57] <+BillyJoel> !rsv Lev 20:4-5
[17:57] <+BillyJoel> Darn you Bible bot!
[17:57] <+GenghisKhan> VirtualPreacher	physically mutilating a healthy 15 year old child, even at the request of the child, is child abuse. <- does this apply to circumcision?
[17:57] <@VirtualPreacher> kissa if oregon was so "heavy" on individual rights how is it then they are busy trying to punish and financially destroy a christian couple that owned a bakery for excercising their rights?
[17:58] <+DeeperStill> yeah, I heard this morning on the Portland news station that airlines traveling within Oregon will allow passengers to transport pot of 1 ounce on their person
[17:58] <+kissa> Sardaukar:   right,  but they need to drive north to Washington state to buy  it ...   :)
[17:58] <+DeeperStill> but not if they are crossing state line
[17:58] <+BillyJoel> !rsv 2ki 22:18-20
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[17:58] <+spike^_> i mean is it as simple as guys like females doing there thing to us.. and vise versa.. not that i'd try it at all, but would a female enjoy an unexpected experience with a dominante male?
[17:58] <+Sardaukar> kissa no they dont=)
[17:59] <+laroja> GenghisKhan: no that is acceptable physical mutilation and abuse I guess
[17:59] <+BillyJoel> Preverbs 6:16-19, VP
[17:59] <@VirtualPreacher> GenghisKhan good question. to a lesser degree, yes, I do regard slicing off healthy parts of an infant child to be abuse.
[17:59] <+spike^_> a study shows that females dream of being raped
[17:59] <+BillyJoel> There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to Him
[17:59] <@VirtualPreacher> yes BillyJoel I am familiar with it what about it
[17:59] <+BillyJoel> haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil
[17:59] <+kissa> VirtualPreacher:   Oregon is also heavy on condemning bigotry
[17:59] <+BillyJoel> a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers
[17:59] <+spike^_> the only thing that torments us is lies
[17:59] <+spike^_> everything in reality is legal
[18:00] <+spike^_> we whinged ourselves into existance
[18:00] <+BillyJoel> Uhh no
[18:00] <+DeeperStill> and heavy on tolerance accept when it comes to conservatives and Christians
[18:00] <+kissa> Sardaukar:  I thought, Oregon,   people cannot sell, legally, marijuana yet,
[18:00] <+spike^_> we dont have a self mentally or pyshically to protect
[18:00] <+BillyJoel> There's no point in using the term legal semantically if you're just going to say it means everything
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[18:00] * kissa was kicked by VirtualPreacher ([16:59] <kissa> VirtualPreacher: Oregon is also heavy on condemning bigotry<-----------wrong answer)
[18:01] <@VirtualPreacher> BillyJoel yes proverbs 6. what about it?
[18:01] <+BillyJoel> marijuana, arbotion and gay marriage. the pinnacle of civlization
[18:01] <+BillyJoel> well note it says hands that shed innocent blood
[18:01] <+laroja> Yeah some states like to make sure bigots can't do bigoted things
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[18:01] * laroja was kicked by VirtualPreacher ([17:01] <laroja> Yeah some states like to make sure bigots can't do bigoted things)
[18:01] <+BillyJoel> What are these bans for VP?
[18:01] <+BillyJoel> I'm confused
[18:02] <@VirtualPreacher> you cant read the kick messages?
[18:02] <+BillyJoel> Yeah I can I just don't get it
[18:02] <+BillyJoel> What they did wrong I mean
[18:03] <+Sardaukar> what rule did they break?
[18:03] <@S|J_McPherson> Sardaukar, I think you did
[18:04] <+spike^_> sorry to bring heavy stuff up as of late
[18:04] <@S|J_McPherson> you're ban as far as I know
[18:04] <+Sardaukar> what rule did I break?
[18:04] <+spike^_> im trying to investigate the dark night of the soul
[18:05] <+spike^_> we are on different tables and r not understanding what eachother are saying
[18:05] <@S|J_McPherson> if you have a question about ops decision take it on pm
[18:05] <+spike^_> theres no ill intent anywhere
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[18:06] <+spike^_> the dark night of the soul is no understanding what ur enemys bring
[18:06] <+spike^_> is the notion
[18:06] <+BillyJoel> Spike, put it in your lyric book
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[18:07] <+spike^_> was is it they were trying to think? why the purgetory
[18:08] <+spike^_> whats beyond the limits
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[18:08] <+spike^_> is the a problem with any human endevour
[18:09] <+spike^_> id like to protect my family but if an emo comes and kills my dad while im playing beach cricket with him, im not sure if thats inherently wrong
[18:09] <+spike^_> i'd hate it tho
[18:09] <+spike^_> but anyway
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[18:11] <+BillyJoel> an emo comes and kills your dad?
[18:11] <+BillyJoel> what lol
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[18:13] <+spike^_> i mean with kids u ask them a question and they say y? and u say an answer, then they say y? etc
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[18:13] <+laroja> Thanks for removing my mystery ban!
[18:13] <+spike^_> theres never a real answer to give them
[18:13] <@VirtualPreacher> laroja mystery?
[18:13] <@VirtualPreacher> you really want to pretend you dont know why you were kicked out?
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[18:13] <+spike^_> in a world of emptiness can one do anything?
[18:13] <+laroja> There was no rule violation. Point me to the rule.
[18:13] <+spike^_> just questions
[18:13] <+laroja> I was kicked because you don't like that for a fact there are laws that ensure that bigots can't deny people their rights based on that bigotry
[18:13] <+BillyJoel> Please take rule violation questions to the 38th district christian debate court of appeals
[18:13] <+BillyJoel> located: nowhere
[18:13] <+laroja> Sorry this is shocking to you.
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[18:13] * laroja was kicked by VirtualPreacher ([17:13] <laroja> I was kicked because you don't like that for a fact there are laws that ensure that bigots can't deny people their rights based on that bigotry<--------then there is your answer)