Jou8/19/2018, 4:43:08 PM
We struggle to practice 12 man TT now we make 12 man VT, makes sense
Same ppl same schedule issues
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:43:46 PM
I guess we can't afford to wipe for 2h on 1st+2nd boss then
Jou8/19/2018, 4:44:13 PM
We lose time cause of dcs in VT not wipes
Nea8/19/2018, 4:44:18 PM
I have this better idea :eyes:
Lets forget about VT like we did with BT when VT came out
:GWseremePeepoGGERS:
Jou8/19/2018, 4:44:38 PM
But ye not gonna argue cause am done with drama
Nea8/19/2018, 4:45:03 PM
And if ppl wanna do VT they can find their own raids
without intterupting TT schedule
Mikko8/19/2018, 4:45:29 PM
but malo just assumed that was impossible
i said that it wont affect tt
Nea8/19/2018, 4:45:41 PM
Idk I didn't read this wall of text
:eyes:
Mikko8/19/2018, 4:45:42 PM
yet he cant comprehend it
oyob8/19/2018, 4:45:43 PM
i'm fine with any decision that will be made
Mikko8/19/2018, 4:45:56 PM
Well decision is made apparently already
and i told that i wont be part of the "mandatory" 12-man vt
im sorry to cause " drama "
tt will stay the same ofc.
oyob8/19/2018, 4:47:43 PM
will see what will happen, as long as we still raid TT
Daveh8/19/2018, 4:50:21 PM
the only thing that im really against is, there is scheduling issues for VT aswell. which makes you not be able to plan much
for example, this weekend, cant really know if you can do stuff, go out for a steak or some shit, without getting a ping on phone about VT being in 30 mins.
Mikko8/19/2018, 4:51:01 PM
they could be solved by making vt raid leaders
this is malos way of solving it
however i solve it by finding anothr vt
Daveh8/19/2018, 4:51:45 PM
idc about 1 or the other persons way of solving it, its the same thing here as with TT. 1 person deciding something without asking the rest.
we can work this out as a group of 12
instead of making rash decisions
and it bleeding into drama
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:52:16 PM
that was my 1st mistake, to use our resources to either help someone else or to be more profitable for everyone
mistake assumed
back to basics
12man it is
no harm done
it's quite simple and objective
Nea8/19/2018, 4:53:09 PM
Why don't you let em raid somewhere else tho
you were fine with me before
But I ended up joining the vt here also
:GWfroggyPepoThink:
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:54:05 PM
you raided for like 1 week or so without us
Nea8/19/2018, 4:54:17 PM
Nope
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:54:18 PM
and I insisted for you to join us to avoid schedule issues
Nea8/19/2018, 4:54:21 PM
Joined from first week
:eyes:
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:54:39 PM
you had recently joined them or something
Nea8/19/2018, 4:54:41 PM
Ye but you still "allowed" me to stay there if anything
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:54:47 PM
and you didn't want to ditch them out of the blue
Nea8/19/2018, 4:55:22 PM
For real tho why does everyone give so much shit about VT these days
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:55:35 PM
idk
Nea8/19/2018, 4:55:44 PM
Soon we'll be forced to do BT or something kek
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:55:46 PM
going back to 12man clear it asap
or even not clearing it and use every bit of time available for TT until it's a full clear
Nea8/19/2018, 4:56:11 PM
Idc about 12man But if ppl wanna do VT somewhere else let em
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:56:13 PM
either are fine by me
Nea8/19/2018, 4:56:31 PM
Just see for one week
If it really doesn't affect our TT schedule
if you're really worried about that

Mikko8/19/2018, 4:57:14 PM
you do what you feel is right
im not doing vt next week with us anymore
so do what you please with that info
i always come to tt though, wont be an issue
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:57:38 PM
so
Mikko8/19/2018, 4:57:39 PM
created by vt.s
Malomen8/19/2018, 4:57:47 PM
DivisionX was here long before us
oyob8/19/2018, 4:59:16 PM
the only problem with 12man vt with the TT group is, that it takes away the vaiuable time we could practice on boss 4. While how VT is done now no harm is done to the TT raid schedule
Nea8/19/2018, 5:00:15 PM
Can just do it like in clarity before
Fuck "BT" till we clear the current new raid
and ppl found their own raids that week
:GWahreeSure:
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:04:59 PM
I had the will to create a working TT group and ended up inviting ppl mainly from Ex Ignis and DivisionX because they were the ones where I had most of my acquaintances and guarantees of everyone's value for the raid.

Things work out, we manage to achieve some lvl of quality and after stuff works out with us you guys realize: Oh wait, actually DivisionX ppl united can work and go behind my back, start making plans with my already existent group and ditching your TT mates over that? Doesn't matter if Nikane cares about VT, doesn't matter if I care about VT. What matters is the shitty atittude of going behind the back of ppl who did everything to you and stabbing them, ditching them. Your atittude is garbage and I'm ashamed that you even try to pull it on us. We're mainly a friendly group that have been proving left and right that things can get done based on a positive atittude, ofc the skill here plays a big number ofc, but beeing successfull don't always come at the expenses of toxicity, and that's the point here.

You wanna go behind my back, and ditch someone from the group? And you guys even support them?

I'm disapointed.

But probably it is my fault, when you feed someone the best you can you should at least expect to be treated the best they can.
But in the end I'm getting backstabbed, and that makes me wonder if I'm getting what I deserve for beeing a nice guy for you all.
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:06:02 PM
Why do you think this is some backstabbing jesus christ
its just vt
you had many ways of fixing this is not one of them
and im sorry
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:07:07 PM
When someone comes to you saying: You can't count on me for something anymore and even in top of that take the remaining members that's the exact definition of backstabbing
I would be fine with it like Ripliq did it before in the past and I didn't make a deal out of it
but you guys are not backstabbing only me
you're backstabbing the structure provided by THIS GROUP
and in the process backstabbing the members that provided you the grounding for a success
one of the groups had no tank
Nikane did it for you
one group had no summoner
I got clik for you
and in the end you don't call it backstabbing?
you're delusional
and you're trying to feed it to me making it look like I'm wrong?
no, fuck you.
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:09:39 PM
i mean some changes had to be made regardless since they are leaving
im jumping the ship aswell
your 12man call after is not the change to mde
it left you with 2 more groups?
some fixes or " cucking " someone as in making them find anothe raid, sure
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:10:17 PM
doesn't matter if I'm gonna spit on the hand that helped me
he still have 2 more groups to concern about
don't you realize that what it matters is your attitude?
Idc if I have 2 , 3 , 4 more groups
that's besides the point
none of that changes the fact that you're backstabbing ppl that did nothing wrong to you, we showed you a working way. we put it into motion
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:11:33 PM
well i offered to take lead from 1 of the Vt groups
would make scheduling much more convinient
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:11:40 PM
and when you grow enough you ditch us for no good reason?
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:11:45 PM
or Jou could have done that too
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:11:53 PM
what does that even mean?
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:11:58 PM
dude
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:12:02 PM
you literally pointed out no issue with that
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:12:22 PM
there have been issues maybe people havent been vocal enough
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:12:33 PM
you had friends before joining us
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:12:37 PM
biggest one probably is the you annoucing raids little to no advance
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:12:42 PM
you're friends with nero and ripliq for ages now
how come you only remember to do VT with them now?
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:12:59 PM
?
we had other things then
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:13:07 PM
oh right
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:13:08 PM
now they wanted to do that
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:13:14 PM
let me tell you what you didnd't have
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:13:17 PM
i thought it wasnt a big deal as i said
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:13:18 PM
no no
the difference is
THAT THIS GROUP GOT YOU GUYS ALL TOGETHER
this group
not you guys
we got you, nero, ripliq, click, jou all together
and after that you guys backstab us and go rogue
that's fine
but you're trash
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:16:14 PM
dunno even what to say
btw what i heard was
when they first proposed anything to you
you said always no
and they asked you to join the vt, u again, said no
now they do this cause they are tired of some issues/you wouldnt grant them it
u get upset
over vt
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:16:56 PM
okay. that's it. malo wake the fuck up.
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:17:02 PM
but this whole thing is very tiring for me
i dont want to argue with anyone
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:17:05 PM
you are calling your people trash that are in your tt
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:17:06 PM
i dont want issues
i dont want to deal with anything
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:17:10 PM
and are not ditching your tt
what is your problem malo. seriously
you burning out and taking it on your people?
you should chill
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:18:09 PM
burned out? don't make it about me, I can handle things just fine. Just don't force to me accept when ppl spit on my face
you were trapped on VT for weeks
why didn't you remember about your "friends" then?
where was krisu?
where was clik?
where was tusnade?
you literally got accepted here
and after that you betray us
and take them on the process
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:19:16 PM
tsunade had raid with sonikz, but sonikz is now 2 months in france. clik was always ready to make raid with me I think. krisu had his TT, so we didn't make our own vt. too many seperate TT raids for us all
betray.. malo its vt. it takes no priority anywhere
tt takes priority
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:19:37 PM
so somehow by magic I made it work out and then you take advantage of my work?
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:20:00 PM
no one is gonna cuck tt here, except you if you stay like toxic behavior. you think people wanna follow you around if you call them backstabbers and trash?
no idea why you rage over vt
Jou8/19/2018, 5:20:50 PM
well, feels good to be trash
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:20:54 PM
I'm not raging, I'm stating a fact
and you can stop right there Nero
I know that you're trying to take advantage of the situation to make a future TT out of this outcome
well Jou
I believe Syllias might have a saying on that one
Jou8/19/2018, 5:22:44 PM
this is getting ridicolous
since am not even joining nero's raid
but yeah, just call everyone trash
since u're god
and u can do whatever u want
Ace Five8/19/2018, 5:24:32 PM
saltyness over losing a profit vt raids is going too far
NeroKoso8/19/2018, 5:24:34 PM
okay so that's the reason. you think I will steal your tt raid
okay, got the answer why you mad
malo.. pls. x)
not gonna do that
Ace Five8/19/2018, 5:24:55 PM
i mena, calling people trash is a good way
to lose a tt raid members to begin with
over such a silly shit that VT is
Malomen8/19/2018, 5:25:23 PM
how can you be so blind about this? It's not about the VT
it's about the atittude
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:25:38 PM
cant even do anything about that i guess
i guess i need to pick up the rope
human trash like me doesnt deserve to live
Jou8/19/2018, 5:26:11 PM
share the rope pls :FeelsWheelChairMan:
Mikko8/19/2018, 5:26:46 PM
@Jou

FrendlyFire8/19/2018, 5:27:16 PM
well seriously malo, im out of everything, getting called trash cause i made a decision for my "twink" for old content is too much, and with this kind of atmosphere i dont wanna even raid anymore, good luck you guys
Ace Five8/19/2018, 5:27:39 PM
here go the first one
#problemsolving
:FeelsGoodMan: :aPepeClapping: