star/haku

18 January 2018
[19:46] Hakulyte: hello there, it's been a while.
[19:46] clefairiel: Hiya
[19:47] Hakulyte: I also have no clue if we can make groups at this point.
[19:48] clefairiel: That would be convenient but I am hesitant because it was a rule to not do it in the orb game
[19:48] clefairiel: Hesitant until they clarify I mean
[19:49] Hakulyte: so, I'm having this self-debate atm about "creating alliances", but it's not as clear as I initially thought in terms of purpose and what it's supposed to accomplish in this specific setup.
[19:49] Hakulyte: I thought we could kind of "control votes", but it seems like we can't really prove that X person voted Y. Therefore it's harder to go for it for that specific reason.
[19:50] Hakulyte: because it's not like you're guaranteed that your alliance doesn't have wolves etc.
[19:50] Hakulyte: but even so, I think there's a worth for communicating in general
[19:51] Hakulyte: this might end up like a standard game in a way
[19:51] clefairiel: It depends on how the votes are revealed, I would think
[19:51] Hakulyte: they're randomly generated
[19:51] clefairiel: Because if everybody claims who they voted, you would have some information
[19:51] Hakulyte: it's explained in op
[19:52] Hakulyte: yeah, you may end up with a pool of relatively suspicious players
[19:52] Hakulyte: but that pool only exist if X player didn't die and Y survived, but we can't explain it
[19:52] clefairiel: I don't think people would be able to get away with lying too much due to the randomness, or at least not significantly, but I am not sure
[19:52] Hakulyte: and even so, it could be towns who decided to vote someone else for awkward reasons
[19:52] Hakulyte: but I think it's worth it just for having that sample in the first place
[19:52] clefairiel: I hope that town will decide to tell the truth mainly
[19:53] clefairiel: because it can get very confusing, when people want to be fancy
[19:53] Hakulyte: like it could count as something weird to pile up with other things
[19:53] Hakulyte: I want to assume town won't lie, but there's key players that could definitely go either way
[19:53] Hakulyte: very independant players
[19:54] Hakulyte: but yeah, if we ignore that, it's like playing a game without PRs and just hoping to snipe 4 wolves almost in a row
[19:54] Hakulyte: (post #3 mention the game has exactly 4 wolves)
[19:55] Hakulyte: anyway, not much to say at this point atm in terms of game solving
[19:56] Hakulyte: still have to decide if some players are lazy or if there's reasons behind actions/inaction/interactions.
[19:56] Hakulyte: :zzz:
[20:10] clefairiel: I feel like I have more initial townleans on people on your tribe
[20:10] clefairiel: than I do on mine
[20:10] clefairiel: Our tribe chat is very boring, and I think WV is funny but I did not really get a lean on him from talking to him in private
[20:10] clefairiel: I don't actually have a feel for how serious the sussing of smart is
19 January 2018
[19:56] Hakulyte: that's funny because we have a fairly quiet tribe chat compared to yours and I get the opposite vibe as you're getting with yours
[19:56] Hakulyte: e.g: I tend to wolf read low activity over high activity
[19:57] Hakulyte: I know you're not around yet, but I'd like to know how you kinda knew I was engaging considering you were not in my tribe and didn't necessary knew who I talked to 1 on 1 etc.
[19:57] Hakulyte: Shado seems to like you and wv has you in a weird spot
[19:58] Hakulyte: your read list is interesting, but I feel like voting intention is going to be more important
[22:47] clefairiel: Well
[22:48] clefairiel: It is from your behaviour in the main thread, and from what Celi said oud you
[22:49] Hakulyte: well, I didn't do much after, hopped on soundwave's lol wagon (lol because votes don't count) and sort of got there later on
[22:49] Hakulyte: tl;dr: you had the right idea I think, just surprised you said so that early
[22:50] clefairiel: If u act sus then I will cur u
[22:50] clefairiel: Cut u
[22:50] clefairiel: But you seem legit
[22:51] Hakulyte: kind of curious how shado got 1mil in the reward challenge
[22:52] Hakulyte: because to get 900k you need a keyboard that sends a ridiculous amount of inputs per sec
[22:52] Hakulyte: while holding keys
[22:52] clefairiel: I did not see I'd there were results
[22:52] clefairiel: I do not know what you speak of
[22:53] Hakulyte: im just sus of how good his score was tbh
[22:53] Hakulyte: well, if he shoots a wolf, I guess I won't care for a while
[22:58] clefairiel: I do not know how a mafia would cheat
[22:58] Hakulyte: actually cheating is banned
[22:58] clefairiel: Ok
[22:58] Hakulyte: but exploiting is fine
[22:58] Hakulyte: as long as it's within the game
[22:58] clefairiel: Well I thought it was so hard
[22:59] Hakulyte: I basically hold the right keys constantly and sent 400-500 inputs/sec to each thing and hit everything right
[22:59] Hakulyte: and still 928k only
[22:59] Hakulyte: and I don't consider that I can get 1mil
[22:59] Hakulyte: so, im just like "did you use 2 keyboards to hold keys or something"
[23:00] Hakulyte: not a lot of options left
[23:00] Hakulyte: tbh that's not important that much
[23:00] Hakulyte: who to vote  etc. is more important atm
[23:02] clefairiel: I
Ok
[23:02] Hakulyte: I can't prove that wolves teamed together to tell him to get some badass score etc.
[23:03] Hakulyte: so, may as well just operate with Shadow shot X, why etc.
[23:03] clefairiel: That makes sense
[23:03] clefairiel: I think
[23:05] clefairiel: Do you m8nd telling who had immunity
[23:06] Hakulyte: Celirra
Cold Kitten
DaBackpack
Hakulyte
j-rodd123
ShadoWolfe
the sun fan
Vendetta21
[23:06] Hakulyte: see: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4605810&postcount=305
[23:06] Hakulyte: since it's public
[23:06] clefairiel: Also I am confuse? Because I thought you said you won the challenge
[23:06] Hakulyte: celirra won
[23:06] clefairiel: Did you just assume because you are pro
[23:07] Hakulyte: this is the paint challenge
[23:07] clefairiel: I mean rewars
[23:07] Hakulyte: which I also loss
[23:07] Hakulyte: celirra won
[23:07] Hakulyte: but that made the entire tribe immune
[23:07] Hakulyte: reward was shado
[23:07] Hakulyte: somehow outexploited what I did
[23:07] Hakulyte: and score 1mil+
[23:07] clefairiel: Oh ok
[23:07] Hakulyte: he claimed in the thread kinda
[23:07] Hakulyte: I have to afk food etc.
[23:07] Hakulyte: like 20min maybe
[23:07] clefairiel: I thought that an individual on every tribe was gonna get immunity
[23:08] Hakulyte: yeah well, not the case.
[23:08] Hakulyte: also beach starts when the phase ends
[23:08] Hakulyte: not after 24 hours
[23:08] clefairiel: And pusheen said he would do it
[23:08] Hakulyte: so, I suggest using the thread
[23:08] clefairiel: And so I was ok with him winning
[23:08] Hakulyte: afk is real
[23:08] clefairiel: Bye
[23:08] Hakulyte: getting called in person
[23:09] Hakulyte: well, you can keep typing if you want
[23:10] clefairiel: I do no5 feel organized enough for the threas
[23:10] clefairiel: But I will 5ry
20 January 2018
[20:16] Hakulyte: hello there
[20:18] Hakulyte: I tried making a vote intention tally to match it with the real votes in the thread. Feel free to check it. We can also make a group chat with hosts in it up to 15 players in theory, but discord has a limitation to 10 people max per group chat.
[20:18] clefairiel: So we could make 2 more tribes basically, haha
[20:18] Hakulyte: yeah, that's kind of dumb
[20:18] Hakulyte: V seems like he's likely to replace out
[20:18] Hakulyte: celirra/tokzic are going out together during the weekend apparently
[20:19] Hakulyte: tokzic is the only person I have no idea what he voted
[20:19] Hakulyte: but it's either ben or nothing according to my list
[20:19] Hakulyte: ignoring wolf switches if there's any
[20:19] clefairiel: I only skimmed your message log with Vendetta
[20:20] clefairiel: Going out as in, meeting in person?
[20:20] Hakulyte: yeah
[20:20] Hakulyte: idk in details
[20:20] Hakulyte: Celirra - Today at 2:59 PM
@Hakulyte @Force I'll be with tokzic this weekend that's why he's busy
[20:20] Hakulyte: that's in our tribe chat
[20:21] clefairiel: It would be funny if they are both mafia (I do not actually think that is likely at all)
[20:21] Hakulyte: Shado said he would hold his shot until close to EoD
[20:21] Hakulyte: but intention looked like he was going to shoot tokzic
[20:22] clefairiel: I am hoping to catch up more with Shado, late tonight for me
[20:22] Hakulyte: he spent a few hours in a voice call together
[20:22] Hakulyte: like most of our tribe
[20:22] clefairiel: Your whole tribe was chatitng?
[20:22] Hakulyte: yeah
[20:22] clefairiel: Did you take part in it?
[20:22] Hakulyte: well, except cold kitten because replacement etc.
[20:22] Hakulyte: yeah
[20:22] clefairiel: I only heard that Celi was talking to Shado
[20:23] clefairiel: for 1 hour
[20:23] Hakulyte: celirra, dbp, me, jrodd, sunfan, shado all chatted in voice for like 3 hours
[20:23] Hakulyte: around eod
[20:24] clefairiel: Is there anybody you are particularly trusting or not from it?
[20:24] Hakulyte: jrodd feels trust worthy
[20:24] Hakulyte: even though he was a bit more quiet here
[20:25] Hakulyte: (he's usually more quiet as wolf and more active as town)
[20:25] clefairiel: I like jrodd
[20:25] clefairiel: I have not directly talked to him or anything
[20:25] Hakulyte: shado looks okay based on the discussion
[20:26] clefairiel: Was it his idea to do the voice chat?
[20:26] Hakulyte: like I don't think he tried to force a shot on someone or did anything weird
[20:26] Hakulyte: I think celirra was just bored to type and went in voice call
[20:26] Hakulyte: and everyone kinda followed
[20:26] Hakulyte: would need to double check
[20:26] clefairiel: Ok
[20:26] clefairiel: Well I like that from Celirra actually
[20:27] Hakulyte: Vendetta was only in voice for like 1 hour and left tho
[20:27] clefairiel: I think it is probably harder to lie over voice
[20:27] Hakulyte: forgot to mention him somehow
[20:27] clefairiel: So I do not think mafia would want to initiate it as much
[20:27] Hakulyte: well, if they're comfortable lTWG players I guess they don't care
[20:27] clefairiel: Is Celi one of them?
[20:28] clefairiel: I am assuming sun fan is since he makes the threads about it
[20:28] Hakulyte: I think everyone is within that group
[20:28] Hakulyte: with the exception of me
[20:28] clefairiel: Shado said that he does not like live werewolf because he is bad at it as a mafia
[20:28] clefairiel: Haha
[20:28] clefairiel: And then he joked that he could just be saying that, if he is a mafia
[20:29] Hakulyte: V spent like 1 hour trying to tilt me
[20:29] Hakulyte: telling me how to play etc.
[20:29] Hakulyte: he's a lot more critical than me
[20:29] clefairiel: Is he like MML?
[20:29] Hakulyte: but I tend to associate that with abnormal level of confidence for a town
[20:30] Hakulyte: and he's like hating on me because being goal oriented and confident is important
[20:30] Hakulyte: basically, we had a weird conversation about semantics
[20:30] Hakulyte: yeah kinda
[20:31] Hakulyte: he's wolf reading me for not having a stronger stance
[20:31] Hakulyte: which is ironic because I'm usually a wolf when I play too well
[20:31] clefairiel: A stronger stance about what?
[20:31] Hakulyte: who to lynch, who to vote etc.
[20:32] Hakulyte: it's D0 and I had to like figure out how to coordinate a lynch on a leap of faith
[20:33] clefairiel: OK now I cannot find the log you posted about Vendetta and you
[20:33] Hakulyte: V posted it
[20:33] clefairiel: Oh
[20:34] clefairiel: That would be easier to find if Charu did not have Vendetta in his signature
[20:34] Hakulyte: V looks so on edge in his iso
[20:35] clefairiel: Oh, I found it
[20:35] Hakulyte: #428
[20:35] Hakulyte: meh
[20:35] clefairiel: "Because two wolf coordination among ten makes the math essentially random and distributed human reading ability tilts in our favor a bit imo"
[20:36] clefairiel: Does he not know how many wolves there are?
[20:36] clefairiel: Oh, sorry
[20:36] clefairiel: It goes on to say that
[20:36] Hakulyte: not sure if dumbtell attempt
[20:36] Hakulyte: or just didn't read post #3
[20:37] clefairiel: Wow asking about a learning disability out of nowhere is classy
[20:37] Hakulyte: kinda felt like a bully more than anything
[20:38] clefairiel: So his first messages in the game were kind of a followup
[20:38] clefairiel: to his conversation with you?
[20:38] clefairiel: And then he was also in the voice chat for an hour?
[20:38] Hakulyte: btw he's the main one who wanted tokzic dead and pushing votes on him
[20:39] Hakulyte: and the wagon is pmuch our chat who followed him
[20:39] clefairiel: OK, I was wondering whether he ever actually did anything
[20:39] Hakulyte: I just stayed on ffa instead
[20:39] Hakulyte: couldn't trust somehow
[20:40] clefairiel: "So, this is the power of wolf collusion and why being decisive and direct matters. Trust your instincts and make your best effort to articulate it. I met nothing but resistance trying to kill tokzic and somehow our group had predtermined the battle was useless (a sign of information assymetry) well before the bidding was essential. This game, from experience with TWG, reading math papers on mafia, and just my impression us heavily stacked against us.

The panacea to that is behaving viscerally first and talking in certirude. There is no information gathering, there is no looking for more evidence. Every day will feel vaguely reminiscent of day 1 from here on. But a stacked challenge is no reason to stop trying. Stay frosty, talk to you tomorrow friends."
[20:41] clefairiel: I ... do not really understand this message
[20:41] clefairiel: Is the implication that somebody in the voicecall was mafia, with the information asymmetry part?
[20:43] Hakulyte: birdmang - Today at 3:01 PM
Someone fucked our tribe, probably two people. They actively worked against trying to kill someone. Ask yourself who those people might be.
[20:44] Hakulyte: 1 on 1 with him
[20:44] Hakulyte: so, he wants tokzic dead (other tribe), but didn't really investigate within our tribe who that could be
[20:45] Hakulyte: I'm kind of failing at connecting the dots here
[20:45] Hakulyte: he also left our tribe discord
[20:45] clefairiel: Huh
[20:45] clefairiel: Ok
[20:46] Hakulyte: another town ragequit or it's the other way around ?
[20:47] clefairiel: He seems very...preachy, in having an idea that the odds are stacked against the town and such. It seems more believable to me, that he is a town feeling that way, but I do not necessarily follow his theories
[20:47] Hakulyte: what's awkward is that we're not supposed to tell if we intend to replace out
[20:47] Hakulyte: imo he has the right mindset, but too tilted to calm down and put things together
[20:48] Hakulyte: but my 1 on 1 with him is in the tmi zone
[20:48] Hakulyte: #too much information
[20:48] Hakulyte: birdmang - Today at 3:01 PM
I'm literally replacing out I'm literally having a heart to heart about this game, and you're still fucking paranoid... Jesus Christ dude don't play this game
[20:49] clefairiel: That is really awkward
[20:49] clefairiel: I...think he is a town
[20:50] Hakulyte: I think so too, that's the sad part about it.
[20:50] clefairiel: but having to get a lean on that, is an awkward situation really
[20:50] clefairiel: Maybe you should tell the hosts
[20:50] Hakulyte: I did
[20:50] clefairiel: Ok
[20:50] Hakulyte: they told me to act like he's still playing
[20:50] Hakulyte: until something happens
[20:51] clefairiel: Sure
[20:51] Hakulyte: if it does etc.
[20:51] clefairiel: Why did he want to hang Tokzic, over the other choices?
[20:52] Hakulyte: birdmang - Today at 2:48 PM
Tokzic may or may not be a wolf, but yesterday is a corroborating factor in his wolfiness, increases the chance by like 20%
[20:52] clefairiel: I mean, in the first place
[20:52] clefairiel: Was it a process of elimination kind of thing?
[20:52] Hakulyte: Vendetta doesn't trust me
[20:52] Hakulyte: so I don't know in details
[20:53] clefairiel: Is there somebody he was trusting that I could ask?
[20:53] Hakulyte: like we talked, but he was more throwing questions at me than the other way
[20:53] Hakulyte: ask someone in my tribe (probably not T-Force)
[20:53] Hakulyte: meh ill ask
[20:54] Hakulyte: ofc, my entire tribe is afk atm
[20:58] clefairiel: I am wanting to talk to ben more, because it seems I am the only one that thinks he seems kind of different in his focus from the last game
[20:59] Hakulyte: birdmang - Today at 3:58 PM
I made a gut call
[21:00] clefairiel: https://pastebin.com/HhknSC7m was what I talked to him about, at first
Pastebin
ben/star - Pastebin.com

[21:02] Hakulyte: ben could go either way for me atm
[21:04] Hakulyte: here's my ben log in case you see anything interesting:
https://pastebin.com/VjCQN3mK
Pastebin
Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:06 PM hello, this is backup replacement. should - Pastebin.com

[21:05] Hakulyte: almost said nothing first day
[21:06] Hakulyte: forgot to come back to him
[21:06] Hakulyte: cold kitten wanted to vote him in first phase
[21:06] Hakulyte: it's pretty much her main and probably only interaction with voting intentions
[21:07] clefairiel: He wrote me back, so hopefully I get something
[21:10] Hakulyte: I have to afk for a bit
[21:26] Hakulyte: can you accept the friend request ?
[21:27] Hakulyte: I want to add you to a chat group and I can't without being friends
[21:28] clefairiel: Sure
[23:21] Hakulyte: after where tokzic's log cut off
[23:21] Hakulyte: I got this:
https://pastebin.com/z5c71jWF
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[10:22 PM] Soundwave: I don't think there's any info on sign ups either. I don't - Pastebin.com

[23:21] Hakulyte: can you double check if everything is here ?
[23:21] Hakulyte: you're like the last person talking at the end of this
[23:21] Hakulyte: and im kinda confused about it
[23:22] Hakulyte: but maybe it's where it cuts
[23:22] Hakulyte: well, "tokzic's log", I mean this: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4605754&postcount=257
[23:23] clefairiel: Well the end part was stuff I tried to send to Beach but it did not let me
[23:23] clefairiel: So yes that is correct
[23:23] Hakulyte: ah ok
[23:31] clefairiel: I'm feeling kind of down about this game
[23:31] clefairiel: if we could just get a wolf to die that would be something
[23:31] Hakulyte: yeah the game is hard to put together
[23:32] Hakulyte: I feel like I have a bit of information overload too
[23:32] Hakulyte: like I chat a log, but I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere
[23:33] Hakulyte: I just feel like I'm stuck with others who are also not getting anywhere
[23:33] Hakulyte: the question is how can we force a coin flip
[23:33] Hakulyte: like some situation that is very likely to be w/t between 2 players
[23:34] Hakulyte: T-Force/Freezin are pmuch in a state of reset
[23:35] Hakulyte: I spent some time with wv trying to figure out why he voted ben and stayed there
[23:35] Hakulyte: just didn't want to vote ffa which is fair
[23:36] Hakulyte: I also have irl appointments tomorrow which will kinda kill my activity
[23:36] Hakulyte: I wish I could do something here
[23:37] Hakulyte: I thought I was getting somewhere with sunfan
[23:37] Hakulyte: when I asked him about the challenge
[23:37] Hakulyte: he talked with DBP during it and I was like "oh, this probably why you had to announce it"
[23:37] Hakulyte: but past that, I get stuck
[23:38] Hakulyte: going to take a break, not in the right mindset atm
[23:41] clefairiel: Sure
22 January 2018
[00:09] Hakulyte: I think someone somewhere shared to me a log where sunfan explains how V plays
[00:11] clefairiel: If you find it please show me
[00:11] clefairiel: But if you don't feel like looking for it now that is fine
[00:11] Hakulyte: well, it's like a short part of a log
[00:15] clefairiel: Ok
[22:05] clefairiel: I'd like to vote Soundwave but am ok with most things
[22:05] clefairiel: (Ben, Knights, T i guess)
[22:08] Hakulyte: I think that's still fairly ok
[22:08] Hakulyte: did I misread jrodd here just now ?
[22:08] Hakulyte: I don't get why he mentioned wolf chat
[22:09] clefairiel: My interpretation is that he thinks if a sub is a wolf
[22:09] clefairiel: They have people to help them get organized
[22:09] clefairiel: And want to help them be caught up on things
[22:10] clefairiel: I am not sure if i agree because I think it could be hard to not slip if you have extra knowledge or something
[22:10] Hakulyte: I tend to think that's not necessary true.
[22:10] clefairiel: But I was not reading it as a slip
[22:10] Hakulyte: ah ok
[22:10] clefairiel: Just a strange pinion
[22:10] clefairiel: Opinion
[22:43] clefairiel: I am voting sound and going to bed
[22:43] clefairiel: Would rather just tell you my vote but do with it what you will
[22:44] Hakulyte: yeah, that vote looks fine
[22:45] Hakulyte: soundwave feels like he had multiple shortcomings in his game when it comes to the solving side
[22:45] Hakulyte: I know he's not the optimistic type when he plays so I don't expect miracles
[22:45] Hakulyte: but still feels off
[22:46] Hakulyte: crossing fingers it's not just because of school etc. and less time for TWG
[23:01] clefairiel: Same
23 January 2018
[01:12] clefairiel: My vote is on Ben now
[01:12] clefairiel: I feel like Sound answered my concerns pretty well
[01:13] Hakulyte: why is ben a policy ?
[01:14] Hakulyte: @ thread
[01:14] clefairiel: Refresh
[01:16] Hakulyte: "He plays on the sidelines, basically, and especially as a wolf (even though he can as town as well)." meh
[01:17] clefairiel: T is so lazy that I do not know what to do with him either
[01:19] Hakulyte: well, I guess that's a good way to test T in a way
[01:21] clefairiel: Yeah
25 January 2018
[21:20] clefairiel: Who have you talked to the most in the past couple of days?
[21:21] Hakulyte: mostly main beach actually
[21:21] Hakulyte: a bit to neeee to get a sense of his game
[21:22] Hakulyte: but he ended up not liking me for it
[21:22] clefairiel: Oh, I thought his lean on you was from the main beach, not private
[21:22] clefairiel: Or is that what you meant
[21:22] Hakulyte: nah it's private
[21:22] Hakulyte: at least from how I see it
[21:23] Hakulyte: we were talking about soundwave
[21:23] Hakulyte: and he didn't like how I wasn't clear about my stance on him
[21:24] Hakulyte: tbh, im not sure what I want at this point
[21:45] Hakulyte: well, I guess I did talk a lot to wv
[21:45] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/tNF4mGaw
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wv - Last Friday at 2:12 PM Hey haku how do you approach OoT games Hakulyte - - Pastebin.com

[21:46] Hakulyte: I just feel like I'm with a 2nd ben
[21:47] Hakulyte: I would vote t-force over him at this point, but I would vote someone sketchy over t-force too
[21:47] Hakulyte: like soundwave/neeee
[21:47] Hakulyte: smh at freezin
[21:48] Hakulyte: btw celirra thinks you should be more confident and take advantage of being universally town read
[21:52] clefairiel: Not really a strength of mine in life
[21:52] clefairiel: What about Freezin?
[21:53] Hakulyte: I'm struggling with the intentions behind him pushing stuff
[21:53] Hakulyte: it constantly could go either way
[21:53] Hakulyte: when I play with freezin, it's usually not that hard to follow him
[21:54] Hakulyte: I'm having similar issues with him than I had with vendetta
[21:54] Hakulyte: Celirra - Today at 4:26 PM
yeah
I'd like to see something from most people
I'd like to see jrodd focus on stuff that doesn't just feel like him covering for / defending himself
I'd like to see tforce care
I'd like to see Soundwave take charge more

oh boy, expectations
26 January 2018
[00:58] Hakulyte: do you think freezin/sunfan is a thing, or you just responded based on the example ?
[00:58] clefairiel: It's a worry but less so than sun/j
[14:36] clefairiel: This game is SO hard
[14:36] clefairiel: Why
[14:36] clefairiel: is it so hard
[14:36] clefairiel: There are
[14:37] clefairiel: 126 possible combinations
[14:37] clefairiel: of mafias
[14:37] clefairiel: And somehow town is about to lose
[19:04] Hakulyte: looks like im a wolf for switching to t-force
[19:24] clefairiel: Why did you do that
[19:24] clefairiel: And why did you say anything now
[19:24] clefairiel: To sun of all people
[19:24] Hakulyte: well, I did switch
[19:25] Hakulyte: they made the tally and it was woff
[19:25] Hakulyte: off*
[19:26] Hakulyte: probably not the best decision at this point
[19:26] clefairiel: Why did you switch though
[19:27] Hakulyte: wv and me have a long log and to make he's like a 2nd ben
[19:27] Hakulyte: so when he said t-force/me were w/w I switched
[19:27] Hakulyte: and got tilted
[19:28] clefairiel: Ok
[19:28] clefairiel: Well i don't think you're 99% a wolf
[19:29] Hakulyte: my wolf tell is coming up with excuses
[19:29] Hakulyte: jsayin'
[19:29] clefairiel: Huh
[19:30] Hakulyte: I'm tired of this game either way
[19:30] clefairiel: Same
[19:30] Hakulyte: I don't feel like sitting through a bunch of other 72 hours
[19:31] Hakulyte: and I don't see myself rallying town and sniping everything
[19:31] Hakulyte: realistically speaking
[19:32] clefairiel: I don't think it's impossible to lynch a wolf today but it feels impossible to win
[19:32] Hakulyte: same pmuch
[19:33] Hakulyte: I initially was supposed to replace out around day 3 for irl reasons
[19:33] Hakulyte: anyway, just do whatever you want at this point
[19:34] clefairiel: Can i have your logs
[19:34] Hakulyte: which one
[19:34] clefairiel: I want to figure it out (Or mostly) for posterity
[19:35] clefairiel: Ummm with anyone alive
[19:35] clefairiel: I guess that probably would take a while
[19:35] Hakulyte: yeah, just cel is like 1500+ lines
[19:36] Hakulyte: and most of it is D1 stuff with tokzic
[19:36] Hakulyte: well, may be worth skimming
[19:36] Hakulyte: no one ever asked for my cel log
[19:38] Hakulyte: btw, if you wolfed this, just win lol.
[19:38] clefairiel: I believe you me cel is the right town bloc
[19:38] clefairiel: But everything else is so hard
[19:39] clefairiel: Weirdly I trust cel more than u individually but i think it's bc we haven't talked as much directly
[19:39] clefairiel: I dunno
[19:40] Hakulyte: I angleshoot freezin wolf over him being the slot before soundwave where the linking error happened
[19:40] Hakulyte: but winning like that is super lame
[19:43] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/Kx7jNLaB
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Celirra - 01/18/2018 ootc outside of beach discord is allowed right Hakulyte - Pastebin.com

[19:43] Hakulyte: only 1349
[19:43] Hakulyte: I guess im lazy
[19:43] Hakulyte: do you have my wv log ?
[19:44] Hakulyte: I guess I could double check if I said more since
[19:44] Hakulyte: the end of it is:
Hakulyte - Last Sunday at 6:09 PM
looks better
Hakulyte - Last Sunday at 11:27 PM
https://pastebin.com/MAmEaEUJ
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Hakulyte - Last Thursday at 5:06 PM hello, this is backup replacement. shoul - Pastebin.com

bunch of filler in that tho
January 22, 2018
Hakulyte - Last Monday at 9:42 PM
not even 200 lines
https://pastebin.com/UQN4E68Y
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Hakulyte - Yesterday at 4:32 PM I just want to ask if you started interacting - Pastebin.com

wv - Last Monday at 9:42 PM
thx
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[19:45] Hakulyte: I think it's the same
[20:44] clefairiel: Linking error?
[20:44] Hakulyte: ?
[20:44] Hakulyte: you don't have the wv log already ?
[20:44] Hakulyte: the end of the log have logs
[20:44] Hakulyte: that's why it does that
[20:51] clefairiel: You linked WV to me like ... day Before yesterday
[20:51] clefairiel: I'm confused what u mean by linking error though
[20:52] Hakulyte: im talking about soundwave switch chat
[20:52] Hakulyte: with the host error thing
[20:53] Hakulyte: just ignore that I guess
[20:53] Hakulyte: it's kinda ogi
[20:55] clefairiel: I am so confused
[20:57] Hakulyte: I think I know why the hosts messed up with links
[20:57] Hakulyte: but kinda guessing
[20:57] clefairiel: Links to what
[20:57] Hakulyte: when the game started soundwave was in itg tribe chat
[20:57] Hakulyte: then he was in ddr tribe chat
[20:58] Hakulyte: no player should be in both chat
[20:58] Hakulyte: and he told me the hosts placed him wrong
[20:58] Hakulyte: im assuming hosts ctrl+c ctrl+v links
[20:58] Hakulyte: and swapped the previous slot wrong
[20:58] Hakulyte: which is freezinice
[20:59] Hakulyte: whatever
[20:59] Hakulyte: that's no TWG
[20:59] Hakulyte: hence out of game information
[20:59] clefairiel: Ok
[21:01] Hakulyte: D1 stuff back when I was talking with Vendetta
[21:01] clefairiel: It doesn't change my idea of Freezin but it makes me think you are a town
[21:04] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/pDdBJ8Lh that's my 1 on 1 with Vendetta
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Hakulyte - 01/19/2018 hello there, are you truly busy ? ps: you are now immune - Pastebin.com

[21:04] Hakulyte: I don't think anyone else have it
[21:04] Hakulyte: context is that he didn't join discord tribe chat yet
[21:05] Hakulyte: he kinda looks good here actually
[21:05] Hakulyte: well, ignoring the mean parts
[21:07] Hakulyte: btw, sunfan is the one who told me to tell him he was dumbtelling
[21:07] Hakulyte: was talking to him at same time
[21:07] Hakulyte: I didn't care that much about him saying 12/3
[21:10] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/5FhWmVQD that's with sunfan
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Hakulyte - 01/18/2018 are you busy/around/free/want to talk/etc. ? or just lis - Pastebin.com

[21:11] Hakulyte: including what he posted in the thread
[21:11] Hakulyte: pmuch doing for the world where one shot doc save someone
[21:13] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/UQN4E68Y T-Force
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[21:13] Hakulyte: oh you said alive nvm
[21:15] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/02zBPgrb didn't talk much to freezin
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Hakulyte - Last Sunday at 6:06 PM tomorrow I have like 2 appointments and won't - Pastebin.com

[21:16] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/mkyzq1ED jrodd
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Hakulyte - 01/18/2018 I have something above 130k jsayin' Jrodd - 01/18/2018 - Pastebin.com

[21:23] Hakulyte: https://pastebin.com/NgvaDv0E neeee
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[21:27] Hakulyte: soundwave has been ignoring me since I posted his log
[21:33] Hakulyte: DBP is in a similar situation because of the reward challenge stuff early game
[23:38] clefairiel: Can i get the part of the WV log that tilted you
[23:40] Hakulyte: it's in the main beach
[23:40] Hakulyte: before EoD
[23:43] Hakulyte: wv - Yesterday at 10:32 PM
i forgot i had haku and tforce log
Celirra - Yesterday at 10:32 PM
this is an essay worth 10 marks
wv - Yesterday at 10:33 PM
its hard not to read that as w/w for me
Jrodd - Yesterday at 10:33 PM
Yea?
wv - Yesterday at 10:33 PM
i feel i am running into the same issue i was with ben
27 January 2018
[01:14] clefairiel: Why was it so annoying that wv thought that
[02:21] Hakulyte: because I talked to him a lot 1 on 1
[02:29] clefairiel: How much did you consider telling anybody about your vote
[02:30] Hakulyte: was a last minute decision
[02:30] Hakulyte: considering how the game evolved, I thought I would be fine if I tell after
[02:31] Hakulyte: not sure why sunfan jumped on doing the voting tally
[02:31] Hakulyte: I did that for 2 phases
[02:31] Hakulyte: I expected the same to happen here
[02:31] Hakulyte: neeee is still worth voting imo
[02:32] clefairiel: "how the game evolved"?
[02:33] Hakulyte: neeee missed most of the phase and last minute came back to do some mini stand in thread
[02:34] Hakulyte: t-force was online most of the time and didn't do much
[02:34] clefairiel: Who were you expecting to die at the time you voted?
[02:34] Hakulyte: they said votes were 6 T-Force 5 neee near the end
[02:35] Hakulyte: should be in thread
[02:35] Hakulyte: or main beach
[02:35] Hakulyte: it was supposed to be super close
[02:35] clefairiel: The wolf motivation that sun fan is arguing for you is that the reward power (or future ones I guess) could expose you having not voted who you had previously said
[02:35] clefairiel: For coming clean about it I mean
[02:36] Hakulyte: is that how the 2nd power thing work with the one shot doc ?
[02:37] clefairiel: Theoretically it could
[02:37] clefairiel: is what he is saying
[02:37] Hakulyte: well, that explains his reaction
[02:38] Hakulyte: I would have stayed on neeee if T-Force did some sort of stand in our previous EoD
[02:39] Hakulyte: that was just too sketchy for me
[02:42] clefairiel: Huh, having read the T-Force log, I actually completely understand why he would have the T-Force/you read from the private chat. Which obviously is not the case
[02:42] clefairiel: WV I mean
[02:43] clefairiel: I don't know if that actually means anything for you or WV's alignment
[02:44] Hakulyte: wv looks town to me
[02:44] Hakulyte: similar situation as my slot
[02:46] Hakulyte: kind of curious who's going to get NK'd with this context
[02:46] Hakulyte: I wouldn't be surprised if it's you
[02:48] clefairiel: I'm trying to keep quiet about my leans except for in my last message to be honest
[02:48] clefairiel: Just going to do as much as I can for the next hour
[02:49] Hakulyte: does someone else have all your logs
[02:51] clefairiel: I haven't started logging