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Hopeless Human: Well hello
SparklySilvally: Hiya
SparklySilvally: Did you fill out a GA form?
Hopeless Human: Oh there's a form i figured id just show you proof
Hopeless Human: Someone else sent a link
SparklySilvally: Ah that's fair
SparklySilvally: I do need to see that proof if it requires it
Hopeless Human: Wait i am just learning that i cant trade pokemon i didnt breed myself?
Hopeless Human: Cuz its a masuda ditto
Hopeless Human: Thats like... a universally wanted and valuable thing, no?
Hopeless Human: That you by definition cannot breed yourself?
SparklySilvally: You can GA it if you obtained it yourself
SparklySilvally: it's not specifically for bred mons
Hopeless Human: To be clear "obtained" means bred or caught?
SparklySilvally: Yep
Hopeless Human: Thats odd, so you guys just have to rely on someone being from another country to get masuda dittos?
Hopeless Human: Id kms breeding without one
SparklySilvally: I have a Japanese game
SparklySilvally: I get my own Masuda dittos
SparklySilvally: and use them in my English game
Hopeless Human: Ah that would work too
SparklySilvally: I found the first 6 IV ditto raid here when SWSH came out
Hopeless Human: I was actually gifted several from a friend stationed in Okinawa lmao
Hopeless Human: I suppose i cant know for sure they are legit
SparklySilvally: Yeah, you have to have proof on 6 IV dittos
Hopeless Human: Question, and im not trying to be patronizing about interests, but why do you guys care if something along the lines was injected when the end result is the same?
Hopeless Human: Cant exactly ask that in chat since it censors me lol
SparklySilvally: Because if injection is messed up it creates hacks sometimes, and also it's just basically a type of hacking anyways
Hopeless Human: I mean it IS hacking but it makes no difference in the actual competative parts of the game though
Hopeless Human: Or any online parts
SparklySilvally: Genning also makes no difference
SparklySilvally: yet it's hacking and is not allowed here
Hopeless Human: I mean yeah
Hopeless Human: I politely am asking why
SparklySilvally: Because we have a policy against hacking and don't want hacks to spread within the room
Hopeless Human: Isnt this a competatively focused community tho?
SparklySilvally: You're missing the point.
Hopeless Human: I think so
Hopeless Human: Could you please elaborate for me? Sorry if im wasting your time, again chat censors me on this
SparklySilvally: A pokemon is worthless if it's injected because it's hacking
SparklySilvally: this is mainly a trade based room
SparklySilvally: where people have values on mons
SparklySilvally: a Shiny GMax is valuable here
Hopeless Human: How does that make it worthless? You cannot tell the difference between an injected and legitimate mon. They are identical.
SparklySilvally: if you can inject, everyone and their mother would have one and it would tank it
Hopeless Human: Well, i mean, id hope the goal of a trade based room in the competative community would be to get as many people ready for playing at a high level as quickly as possible, no?
Hopeless Human: Thats why i want to give away some of these dittos
SparklySilvally: You're trying to justify injection lol
Hopeless Human: Whats wrong with skipping torture? Theres no skill in breeding, and i thought we were a community focused around the multiplayer battles? Yes its a trading room, but shouldnt the focus to be to get players equipped so they spend LESS time breeding and MORE time playing the game competatively?
Hopeless Human: I mean thats exactly why people go there
SparklySilvally: Dude, not every single person has a goal of battling competitively
Hopeless Human: You are right
SparklySilvally: I couldn't give a shit less about battling, I'm a collector
SparklySilvally: I like RNGing rare mons and keeping ahold of them
Hopeless Human: And i have been breeding my own pokemon this whole time. As much as i hate breeding it is still satisfying to finally have a perfect mon
SparklySilvally: And Injection would take away that satisfaction, now wouldn't it
Hopeless Human: People are injecting right now, and no not really
Hopeless Human: Because those pokemon are mine
Hopeless Human: I made them
Hopeless Human: People injecting arent gonna take that away from me
SparklySilvally: I'm talking about if YOU injected the mons rather than working for them
SparklySilvally: you'd lose out on that satisfaction
Hopeless Human: Well, in all honesty even if i did lose out on that satisfaction, id still rather be battling rn haha
Hopeless Human: So wait wait, to be clear, is a DESCENDANT of a possibly injected mon now illegitimate?
SparklySilvally: No, as long as the offspring has legitimate traits
Hopeless Human: Oh, my dude, i only want to give away these ditto so people can get those legitimate pokemon faster. Is that ditto really an evil if it is injected?
SparklySilvally: It's not okay to be trying to justify this
Hopeless Human: I am genuinely enganged by our conversation
Hopeless Human: I would really like to see your response
SparklySilvally: Yeah, the ditto is "an evil" if it's blatantly hacked and took no effort to get
Your message is too long: I would put forth the idea that all people are trying to do is skip what they view as poor game design. I too view this whole breeding system as, to be frank, an absolute slog, and while by no means does this mean anything negative about you if you do enjoy it, surely you recognize that there are two entirely different sectors of pokemon that focus on two entirely different types of gameplay that have nothing to do with eachother with many people only being interested in one or the other, no?
Hopeless Human: I would put forth the idea that all people are trying to do is skip what they view as poor game design. I too view this whole breeding system as, to be frank, an absolute slog, and while by no means does this mean anything negative about you if you do enjoy it
Hopeless Human: surely you recognize that there are two entirely different sectors of pokemon that focus on two entirely different types of gameplay that have nothing to do with eachother with many people only being interested in one or the other, no?
Hopeless Human: And, indeed, showdown exists primarily to support the competative battling aspect, yes?
SparklySilvally: Wi-Fi isn't a chat for Showdown, it's a chat FOR THE GAMES
SparklySilvally: It's absolutely asinine for you to walk into a room with a policy against hacking and try to justify it
Hopeless Human: I understand that, but given the context, where else should people go (under the advocacy of showdown/smogon) if all they want is to get a competative team ready?
Hopeless Human: My friend i hope i havent offended you, it was not my intention
SparklySilvally: Here, as long as you don't try justifying hacks lol
Hopeless Human: Could you think of it more as me just picking your brains to better try and understand your viewpoint? I doubt anything i say will change the rules
SparklySilvally: First off, I can assure you it won't sway our decision as we've discussed it thoroughly. But anyways, my outlook on it is that for the past year I've enjoyed studying RNG and how to abuse it. I have an entire spreadsheet of mons I've RNGed and the collection is continuously growing
SparklySilvally: I've worked super hard on them, and knowing that there are people who can hack things like that in pisses me off when people like me form big collections and proof everythuing
SparklySilvally: everything*
Your message is too long: Hmm, i cannot understand why that would. I can assure you that, over the last decade, I too have slaved away for many hours on a bike, and here i am advocating for injecting, you know? Obviously your feelings are legitimate and i would never tell somebody otherwise, but could you try and explain what exactly about that bothers you?(cont)
Hopeless Human: Hmm, i cannot understand why that would. I can assure you that, over the last decade, I too have slaved away for many hours on a bike, and here i am advocating for injecting, you know? Obviously your feelings are legitimate and i would never tell somebody otherwise, but
Hopeless Human: Could you try and explain what exactly about that you think is a problem while keeping in mind that these players are very likely not collecters but just competative players?
SparklySilvally: I don't understand how you, someone who's worked for pokemon before, advocates for getting 6 IV shiny mons from typing in a number
Hopeless Human: Because i understand that it can be torturous and I know that players who do that just want to play showdown with better graphics
Hopeless Human: I will admit my hands arent entirely clean of doing it myself, if that isnt clear, but that was only gen 5 when it was super easy and breeding was even more of a bitch lol
SparklySilvally: The grind to get competitive shinies is the fun in battling for me personally
Hopeless Human: Oh i totally understand that, the first thing i did after i got this ditto was breed a shiny 5IV ralts
Hopeless Human: But you lose that satisfaction knowing others inject?
SparklySilvally: No, but hacking and shit is the reason I see no value in anything that's not mine
Hopeless Human: OK i totally understand that too. Like, i only see these ditto as a tool. I dont give a damn that they are shiny, they are for breeding, and thats why i was so quick to give one away
Hopeless Human: I got 7 of them lmao
Hopeless Human: But, and this is just the seed of an idea, perhaps you could see that letting other people just achieve the goal they truly want of being able to actually battle at a high level in short order could possibly be allowed to slide in this specific environment
Hopeless Human: ?
SparklySilvally: ditto are meant to be a tool
Hopeless Human: I mean its very good competatively too. They are imposter ditto as well lol
Hopeless Human: Its also a pretty popular fan favorite, isnt it
Hopeless Human: ?
SparklySilvally: That's probably because It's used for breeding though lol
Hopeless Human: True lmao
SparklySilvally: You really can't call breeding hell when you can pass around a Destiny Knot and guarantee both 5 IVs AND the nature of your choice in Gen 8
Hopeless Human: Well tbf i didnt even start breeding until i already had these ditto so it was easy af for me from the start
Hopeless Human: I get some perfects in like 3 eggs
Hopeless Human: Without the ditto, tho?
SparklySilvally: You can literally use two of the same species and chain them until you roll a random perfect, then put the 1 IV one in and go for more, and keep going
SparklySilvally: it's easy
Hopeless Human: I mean it is easy, just very, very time consuming
Hopeless Human: Maybe not relative to how it used to be
Hopeless Human: But thats still several hours, dozens of hours, hundreds of hours
SparklySilvally: no it isn't though