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  3.  Hopeless Human  
  4. xxTermanato69
  5. SparklySilvally
  6. Challenge...
  7. Hopeless Human: Well hello
  8. SparklySilvally: Hiya
  9. SparklySilvally: Did you fill out a GA form?
  10. Hopeless Human: Oh there's a form i figured id just show you proof
  11. Hopeless Human: Someone else sent a link
  12. SparklySilvally: Ah that's fair
  13. SparklySilvally: I do need to see that proof if it requires it
  14. Hopeless Human: Wait i am just learning that i cant trade pokemon i didnt breed myself?
  15. Hopeless Human: Cuz its a masuda ditto
  16. Hopeless Human: Thats like... a universally wanted and valuable thing, no?
  17. Hopeless Human: That you by definition cannot breed yourself?
  18. SparklySilvally: You can GA it if you obtained it yourself
  19. SparklySilvally: it's not specifically for bred mons
  20. Hopeless Human: To be clear "obtained" means bred or caught?
  21. SparklySilvally: Yep
  22. Hopeless Human: Thats odd, so you guys just have to rely on someone being from another country to get masuda dittos?
  23. Hopeless Human: Id kms breeding without one
  24. SparklySilvally: I have a Japanese game
  25. SparklySilvally: I get my own Masuda dittos
  26. SparklySilvally: and use them in my English game
  27. Hopeless Human: Ah that would work too
  28. SparklySilvally: I found the first 6 IV ditto raid here when SWSH came out
  29. Hopeless Human: I was actually gifted several from a friend stationed in Okinawa lmao
  30. Hopeless Human: I suppose i cant know for sure they are legit
  31. SparklySilvally: Yeah, you have to have proof on 6 IV dittos
  32. Hopeless Human: Question, and im not trying to be patronizing about interests, but why do you guys care if something along the lines was injected when the end result is the same?
  33. Hopeless Human: Cant exactly ask that in chat since it censors me lol
  34. SparklySilvally: Because if injection is messed up it creates hacks sometimes, and also it's just basically a type of hacking anyways
  35. Hopeless Human: I mean it IS hacking but it makes no difference in the actual competative parts of the game though
  36. Hopeless Human: Or any online parts
  37. SparklySilvally: Genning also makes no difference
  38. SparklySilvally: yet it's hacking and is not allowed here
  39. Hopeless Human: I mean yeah
  40. Hopeless Human: I politely am asking why
  41. SparklySilvally: Because we have a policy against hacking and don't want hacks to spread within the room
  42. Hopeless Human: Isnt this a competatively focused community tho?
  43. SparklySilvally: You're missing the point.
  44. Hopeless Human: I think so
  45. Hopeless Human: Could you please elaborate for me? Sorry if im wasting your time, again chat censors me on this
  46. SparklySilvally: A pokemon is worthless if it's injected because it's hacking
  47. SparklySilvally: this is mainly a trade based room
  48. SparklySilvally: where people have values on mons
  49. SparklySilvally: a Shiny GMax is valuable here
  50. Hopeless Human: How does that make it worthless? You cannot tell the difference between an injected and legitimate mon. They are identical.
  51. SparklySilvally: if you can inject, everyone and their mother would have one and it would tank it
  52. Hopeless Human: Well, i mean, id hope the goal of a trade based room in the competative community would be to get as many people ready for playing at a high level as quickly as possible, no?
  53. Hopeless Human: Thats why i want to give away some of these dittos
  54. SparklySilvally: You're trying to justify injection lol
  55. Hopeless Human: Whats wrong with skipping torture? Theres no skill in breeding, and i thought we were a community focused around the multiplayer battles? Yes its a trading room, but shouldnt the focus to be to get players equipped so they spend LESS time breeding and MORE time playing the game competatively?
  56. Hopeless Human: I mean thats exactly why people go there
  57. SparklySilvally: Dude, not every single person has a goal of battling competitively
  58. Hopeless Human: You are right
  59. SparklySilvally: I couldn't give a shit less about battling, I'm a collector
  60. SparklySilvally: I like RNGing rare mons and keeping ahold of them
  61. Hopeless Human: And i have been breeding my own pokemon this whole time. As much as i hate breeding it is still satisfying to finally have a perfect mon
  62. SparklySilvally: And Injection would take away that satisfaction, now wouldn't it
  63. Hopeless Human: People are injecting right now, and no not really
  64. Hopeless Human: Because those pokemon are mine
  65. Hopeless Human: I made them
  66. Hopeless Human: People injecting arent gonna take that away from me
  67. SparklySilvally: I'm talking about if YOU injected the mons rather than working for them
  68. SparklySilvally: you'd lose out on that satisfaction
  69. Hopeless Human: Well, in all honesty even if i did lose out on that satisfaction, id still rather be battling rn haha
  70. Hopeless Human: So wait wait, to be clear, is a DESCENDANT of a possibly injected mon now illegitimate?
  71. SparklySilvally: No, as long as the offspring has legitimate traits
  72. Hopeless Human: Oh, my dude, i only want to give away these ditto so people can get those legitimate pokemon faster. Is that ditto really an evil if it is injected?
  73. SparklySilvally: It's not okay to be trying to justify this
  74. Hopeless Human: I am genuinely enganged by our conversation
  75. Hopeless Human: I would really like to see your response
  76. SparklySilvally: Yeah, the ditto is "an evil" if it's blatantly hacked and took no effort to get
  77. Your message is too long: I would put forth the idea that all people are trying to do is skip what they view as poor game design. I too view this whole breeding system as, to be frank, an absolute slog, and while by no means does this mean anything negative about you if you do enjoy it, surely you recognize that there are two entirely different sectors of pokemon that focus on two entirely different types of gameplay that have nothing to do with eachother with many people only being interested in one or the other, no?
  78. Hopeless Human: I would put forth the idea that all people are trying to do is skip what they view as poor game design. I too view this whole breeding system as, to be frank, an absolute slog, and while by no means does this mean anything negative about you if you do enjoy it
  79. Hopeless Human: surely you recognize that there are two entirely different sectors of pokemon that focus on two entirely different types of gameplay that have nothing to do with eachother with many people only being interested in one or the other, no?
  80. Hopeless Human: And, indeed, showdown exists primarily to support the competative battling aspect, yes?
  81. SparklySilvally: Wi-Fi isn't a chat for Showdown, it's a chat FOR THE GAMES
  82. SparklySilvally: It's absolutely asinine for you to walk into a room with a policy against hacking and try to justify it
  83. Hopeless Human: I understand that, but given the context, where else should people go (under the advocacy of showdown/smogon) if all they want is to get a competative team ready?
  84. Hopeless Human: My friend i hope i havent offended you, it was not my intention
  85. SparklySilvally: Here, as long as you don't try justifying hacks lol
  86. Hopeless Human: Could you think of it more as me just picking your brains to better try and understand your viewpoint? I doubt anything i say will change the rules
  87. SparklySilvally: First off, I can assure you it won't sway our decision as we've discussed it thoroughly. But anyways, my outlook on it is that for the past year I've enjoyed studying RNG and how to abuse it. I have an entire spreadsheet of mons I've RNGed and the collection is continuously growing
  88. SparklySilvally: I've worked super hard on them, and knowing that there are people who can hack things like that in pisses me off when people like me form big collections and proof everythuing
  89. SparklySilvally: everything*
  90. Your message is too long: Hmm, i cannot understand why that would. I can assure you that, over the last decade, I too have slaved away for many hours on a bike, and here i am advocating for injecting, you know? Obviously your feelings are legitimate and i would never tell somebody otherwise, but could you try and explain what exactly about that bothers you?(cont)
  91. Hopeless Human: Hmm, i cannot understand why that would. I can assure you that, over the last decade, I too have slaved away for many hours on a bike, and here i am advocating for injecting, you know? Obviously your feelings are legitimate and i would never tell somebody otherwise, but
  92. Hopeless Human: Could you try and explain what exactly about that you think is a problem while keeping in mind that these players are very likely not collecters but just competative players?
  93. SparklySilvally: I don't understand how you, someone who's worked for pokemon before, advocates for getting 6 IV shiny mons from typing in a number
  94. Hopeless Human: Because i understand that it can be torturous and I know that players who do that just want to play showdown with better graphics
  95. Hopeless Human: I will admit my hands arent entirely clean of doing it myself, if that isnt clear, but that was only gen 5 when it was super easy and breeding was even more of a bitch lol
  96. SparklySilvally: The grind to get competitive shinies is the fun in battling for me personally
  97. Hopeless Human: Oh i totally understand that, the first thing i did after i got this ditto was breed a shiny 5IV ralts
  98. Hopeless Human: But you lose that satisfaction knowing others inject?
  99. SparklySilvally: No, but hacking and shit is the reason I see no value in anything that's not mine
  100. Hopeless Human: OK i totally understand that too. Like, i only see these ditto as a tool. I dont give a damn that they are shiny, they are for breeding, and thats why i was so quick to give one away
  101. Hopeless Human: I got 7 of them lmao
  102. Hopeless Human: But, and this is just the seed of an idea, perhaps you could see that letting other people just achieve the goal they truly want of being able to actually battle at a high level in short order could possibly be allowed to slide in this specific environment
  103. Hopeless Human: ?
  104. SparklySilvally: ditto are meant to be a tool
  105. Hopeless Human: I mean its very good competatively too. They are imposter ditto as well lol
  106. Hopeless Human: Its also a pretty popular fan favorite, isnt it
  107. Hopeless Human: ?
  108. SparklySilvally: That's probably because It's used for breeding though lol
  109. Hopeless Human: True lmao
  110. SparklySilvally: You really can't call breeding hell when you can pass around a Destiny Knot and guarantee both 5 IVs AND the nature of your choice in Gen 8
  111. Hopeless Human: Well tbf i didnt even start breeding until i already had these ditto so it was easy af for me from the start
  112. Hopeless Human: I get some perfects in like 3 eggs
  113. Hopeless Human: Without the ditto, tho?
  114. SparklySilvally: You can literally use two of the same species and chain them until you roll a random perfect, then put the 1 IV one in and go for more, and keep going
  115. SparklySilvally: it's easy
  116. Hopeless Human: I mean it is easy, just very, very time consuming
  117. Hopeless Human: Maybe not relative to how it used to be
  118. Hopeless Human: But thats still several hours, dozens of hours, hundreds of hours
  119. SparklySilvally: no it isn't though
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