barabbas bullying and abusing power to win debates

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[08:22] <+Ross> morning layla-
[08:23] <+layla-> heyyy
[08:23] <+layla-> good morning ross
[08:23] <@ChuckWagon> http://ginva.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1960443280_0a7a6d950f_o.jpg
[08:23] <@ChuckWagon> Welcome, layla-.
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[08:24] <+layla-> cw thank u
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[08:24] <+layla-> what are the trolls trying to do?
[08:24] <+Ross> only 28
[08:24] <+layla-> hi dtc
[08:25] <+Ross> hi DTC
[08:26] <+layla-> dtc u work.for dalnet?
[08:28] <+TrollT> Generally, i am trying to make the world safer for friendly people.
[08:28] <+Ross> how do you do that TrollT
[08:28] <+TrollT> I can not speak for other trolls.
[08:29] <@ChuckWagon> When LaBron James returned to his team, the Cleveland Cavaliers, after an injury, teammates asked him if his return would be the solution to the team's problems. He is reported to have responded, "There's only one guy ever in the world that everything will be alright when He comes back and that's Jesus Christ."
[08:29] <+Ross> nice
[08:29] <@ChuckWagon> Personally, I can go along with that.
[08:29] <@ChuckWagon> (c;
[08:29] <+TrollT> By taking on the garish image of someone who may be a troller (masquing the 'er' part) and yet aspiring to and achieving a kindness all appreciate.
[08:30] <+Ross> hard job, but work faster .... if you can
[08:31] <+layla-> hi trollt
[08:31] <+TrollT> A delicate task requiring tact and aggregate participation.
[08:31] <+TrollT> Assalam alaykum, sister layla.
[08:31] <+layla-> wslm wr wb trollt
[08:31] <+layla-> hiw are.u
[08:32] <+layla-> how*
[08:32] <+TrollT> Waking early to unexpected heat, i will be productive and keen.
[08:32] <+TrollT> You?
[08:32] <@ChuckWagon> Oh my stars...
[08:32] <+DTC> layla-: yeah, they pay me big bucks to keep trolls off
[08:33] <+layla-> nice
[08:33] <+layla-> trollt alhamdulillah
[08:33] <+DTC> also, hi Ross
[08:33] <+TrollT> Thank you for that reminder, ChuckWagon, and hello.
[08:33] <+layla-> can i get paid for chatting too?
[08:33] <+Ross> i pray life is treating you all well
[08:34] <+mka> layla-: only if you donate first
[08:34] <+TrollT> Ross, magnificently are the people in my life treating me at this time. I hope your experience is pleasant and fulfilling.
[08:34] <+layla-> donate my time
[08:35] <@ChuckWagon> Hello, TrollT.
[08:35] <+Ross> life could only be better if we were in heaven
[08:35] <+mka> layla-: money. Big bucks don't come from nowhere.
[08:35] <+TrollT> Ross, perfect.
[08:36] <+layla-> ok how much to donate
[08:37] <+layla-> can i work as a chatter ans get paid by the alphabets?
[08:38] <+Ross> give your whole life to the Jesus of the bible layla-
[08:38] <+layla-> can.i.be a nun?
[08:38] <+TrollT> Yes.
[08:38] <+layla-> submit myself to God
[08:38] <+Ross> sure, join the rcc
[08:38] <+TrollT> Marsha Sinetar wrote a wonderful text about that for laypeople.
[08:39] <+TrollT> Ordinary People as Monks and Mystics
[08:39] <@barabbas`> layla-: Yes, but not to allah, to Jesus. There is a difference.
[08:39] <+TrollT> It is helpful in defining the characteristics going into the mystic life as married to the everyday.
[08:40] <+TrollT> Nuns are of many different types.
[08:40] <@ChuckWagon> barabbas`: Heh... glad Wheaton College noticed the difference.
[08:40] <+TrollT> Competing seems to reduce the God, but that's your choice.
[08:40] <@barabbas`> ChuckWagon: What happened at Wheaton?
[08:40] <+layla-> but i want to.die as a muslim
[08:41] <+TrollT> layla, then remain for until then.
[08:41] <+TrollT> for/one
[08:41] <+Ross> sorry to hear that layla- :-(
[08:41] <@ChuckWagon> barabbas`: A tenured political science professor wore a hijab (this was not a problem) and declared that Allah of Islam was the same deity as the YHWH of the Bible.  She is on "administrative leave."
[08:41] <@barabbas`> layla- That is fine, and you will die. However, if you want eternal life, you won't get it with allah.
[08:41] <+TrollT> A submitter of the God is to be celebrated, not summoning sorrow.
[08:41] <+Ross> where is wheaton CW
[08:42] <@barabbas`> ChuckWagon Seems her education was lacking.
[08:42] <+layla-> Ross would you like to be a muslim?
[08:42] <@ChuckWagon> Ross: Northern Illinois ... actually maybe less than 2 hours from me.
[08:42] <+TrollT> Chalk marks on the heart don't help it grow.
[08:42] * +Ross is obedient to Jehovah/Jesus of the bible
[08:42] <@ChuckWagon> Ross: Billy Graham's alma mater.
[08:42] <@barabbas`> layla- Why would you want to be a muslim and give up eternal life?
[08:42] <+layla-> barabbas what can an eternal.life offers?
[08:42] <+Ross> ok
[08:43] <@ChuckWagon> I told my parents I wanted to be the pastor of a Baptist church when I grew up.  She said, "Well, son, you have to decide; one or the other."
[08:43] <+TrollT> layla, the idea is that one is not extinguished at death -- that one survies the body's decay and decomposition. Eternality is endlessness, without decease.
[08:43] <@barabbas`> layla- Something other than death. You said you want to die a Muslim, that is fine. I will live forever a Christian. I don't understand why you want to die when eternal life is avaiable.
[08:43] <+mka> layla-: either way you're going to live forever, but you'll be suffering for all eternity, or you'll be in union with God
[08:44] <+TrollT> Or, as others have mentioned here, that one will be subjected to a terrible anguish because the God didn't snatch you up from the Underworld and take you into his bosom.
[08:44] <+layla-> i.never thought religion can.be this complicated
[08:45] <+TrollT> layla, it is made so based upon projections beyond the animal.
[08:45] <@barabbas`> layla- Thats becasue you grew up in Islam, a religion that denies women access to education and one that keeps its followers in the dark.
[08:45] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: Actually I'm drawing ever nearer to Lewis' view of heaven and hell ... that hell is reserved for those who cling to the temporal and wish to cling to the temporal eternally.  That which cannot last becomes a rotting anchor holding one firmly to their chosen destiny.
[08:45] <+layla-> trollt im confused. are u a muslim.or a christian?
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[08:46] <+TrollT> layla, I aspire to each. You decide.
[08:46] <+TrollT> Or let the God do so.
[08:46] <@ChuckWagon> Hmmmm...
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[08:47] <+TrollT> CW, that seems dour to me. I would prefer to slide merrily into a slow sweet disintegration full of love and small pleasure before the final punctuated dark silence.
[08:47] <@barabbas`> You can aspire to Christianity, However, unless you fully accept Jesus, thats all  you will have to show God, aspirations with no committment
[08:47] <+layla-> am.i.the only.muslim.here?
[08:47] <+TrollT> layla, that could be. How will you know?
[08:48] <+TrollT> barabbas, I'll do my best. I'm studying all his tales and trying to apply his formula.
[08:48] <@barabbas`> Many aspire, few are chosen. As Jesus said, Many come calling Lord, Lord, but I knew them not.
[08:48] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: Clinging to the temporal is supposed to seem dour; mainly because it is.
[08:49] <@barabbas`> TrollT Then you should read about all those who did aspire to be counted among his chosen, those who did prophecy in his name etc.
[08:50] <@barabbas`> Those who he knew not because their heart was divided.
[08:50] <+TrollT> CW, generally agreed. It was the rotting anchor bit i was talking about. One makes of one's existence what one deserves, perhaps.
[08:51] <+TrollT> barabbas, i think my knowing of him will not be personal, though others claim that i should have such a relationship.
[08:51] <@barabbas`> TrollT; As Jesus said, a man cannot serve two masters. If you aspire to both Islam and Jesus you are serving two masters. Well, Jesus made it very clear, while you may think you are serving two masters, you aren't serving him.
[08:51] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: There it is ... sadly, though we make of our lives what we choose, some choose to find someone to [08:52] <+TrollT> barabbas, I doubt you understood me. I aspire to submit absolutely to my God. This makes me a muslim. I aspire to place myself upon the Cross and witness in the formula of the Christ. This brings me closer to being a christian.
[08:52] <@barabbas`> TrollT Then, as he said, you will only know OF him, and that will only be for a short time. If that is all you want, that is fine with Jesus.
[08:53] <+TrollT> barabbas, glad to know it.
[08:53] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: In Christianity, we do not place ourselves upon a cross but receive the gift from the One who was placed there for us. (c:
[08:53] <@barabbas`> TrollT: No, I fully understand what you are saying. Like I said, your attitude as espoused, was spoken about by Jesus.
[08:54] <@ChuckWagon> For football fans, the Dez Bryant bobble-head comes with a bobbling football.
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[08:54] <@barabbas`> TrollT Sure, you can be drawn close to Christianity, drawn close to Christ, but you won't be accepted and adopted into the bride of Christ with a heart that is separated as yours is. While what you are saying may play well in Peoria, it aint gonna make it to broadway.
[08:54] <+layla-> barabbas express yrself dun repress yrself
[08:54] <+TrollT> Spectacular, CW. How redundant.
[08:55] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: I don't see the redundancy, but okay.
[08:55] <+TrollT> CW, a bobbling football as well as the bobble head? It's exciting.
[08:56] <+TrollT> barabbas, thank you for your reflections upon my path. I am sure my lot is fine and hope you see well to your own.
[08:57] <+layla-> trollt are u a muslim?
[08:57] <+TrollT> layla, I can only hope to be. I doubt you'd consider me so.
[08:57] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: For Dez Bryant, it's monumentally appropriate.
[08:58] <+TrollT> CW, do tell!!! I don't know him.
[08:58] <@barabbas`> TrollT I am sure all those who came calling Lord, Lord thought their lot was fine as well. Thats why Jesus sent his disciples into the world to spread the word. While you may think your lot is fine with Christ, his own words condemn you.
[08:58] <+layla-> trollt why wouldnt i consider you a muslim?
[08:58] <+TrollT> barabbas, I don't mind condemnation. I've been condemned by the best of 'em. May i resolutely offer love back in the face of such condemnation.
[08:58] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: He's a receiver for the Dallas Cowboys who, lately, has been failing to receive ... several times he's bobbled and lost the football.
[08:59] <+TrollT> LOL
[08:59] <+TrollT> Funny, CW. Thanks for explaining.
[09:00] <+TrollT> layla, it depends on what your requirements are. To me, all it requires is submitting to the God. Large systems feature all kinds of things like Pillars and beliefs.
[09:00] <@barabbas`> TrollT: See, that is the point isn't it. We are on two different paths. You assume your divided heart is ok with Jesus/God and I know it isn't. The difference between us, is you have only your assumption to back your claim,whereas mine is backed by the words of the one you claim is ok with you and your path. blame for it. I find the wiser course is, since I cannot choose my circumstances, I choose my response to them.
[09:01] <+TrollT> barabbas, I don't speak for any God or any Jesus and don't know what is ok with them, or that a claim is needed. My preference is to offer kindness and love to those around me and let the gods and Jesuses worry about themselves.
[09:01] <@barabbas`> TrollT It is ironic that you are ok being condemned by the words of Jesus while you are aspiring to be accepted by him.
[09:01] <+layla-> trollt are u a shia?
[09:02] <+TrollT> barabbas, the premise is faulty, since my relationship isn't personal and i don't mind if he condemns me.
[09:02] <@barabbas`> TrollT You said you aspire to be a Muslim and a Christian. I am responding to that claim of yours.
[09:02] <+TrollT> layla, I've heard of those, what are they?
[09:02] <+layla-> muslims
[09:03] <+TrollT> That i knew. What sets them apart?
[09:03] <@barabbas`> TrollT As long as you are fine with eternity apart from God, in other words spending eternity in hell.
[09:03] <+TrollT> barabbas, that sounds frightening.
[09:03] <+TrollT> I've long ago learned to refuse extortion, however.
[09:04] <+layla-> they love the ahlul bayt
[09:04] <@ChuckWagon> I would have to say, if one aspires to be both a Muslim and Christian, it is akin to aspiring to be a married bachelor.
[09:04] <+TrollT> Oo, please tell me what the ahlul bayt is.
[09:04] <+layla-> lol
[09:04] <+TrollT> CW, fun I like that analogy.
[09:04] <+layla-> the family of rasulullah s.a.w
[09:04] <+TrollT> Oh, Ali and others of the Bench?
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[09:05] <+layla-> i often wonder where are the ahlul.bayt
[09:06] <+TrollT> I have a friend named Ali, but that would hardly qualify. I am not a shia by that description, no.
[09:06] <+TrollT> Aren't they beyond life? Spirits or entities beyond the grave?
[09:07] <+TrollT> I have much less connection to the dead than those around me.
[09:07] <+layla-> i dunno trollt but they are our bros.n.sisters in.islam
[09:08] <+TrollT> The living are my interest, primarily.
[09:08] <@barabbas`> TrollT: You don't seem to be anything other than a troll. You seem to be chumming the waters with whatever is attractive to someone just so you can get some attention from them.
[09:08] <+TrollT> And the condition of the yet to live.
[09:08] <+Ross> !define cult
[09:08] <+TrollT> barabbas, I am a troll but not a troller. I hope you can see your way clear to understanding tht distinction.
[09:08] <+TrollT> Ross, neat term.
[09:08] <+Ross> why
[09:09] <+Ross> i thought there was a dictionary here
[09:09] <+TrollT> Its history includes generic sociology and pointed condemnation. As part of Satanism it featured as a run-up for moral panic.
[09:09] <@ChuckWagon> There actually are several quite reasonable definitions for "cult."
[09:09] <@barabbas`> TrollT No, there is no distinction. You are a troll and you are trolling the waters here. You chum is your accepting of everything just short of committing to any one thing. You expect to be accepted by all, yet won't be accepted by any.
[09:10] <@ChuckWagon> From a general religious perspective, it is any smaller group within a larger group.  Hence, Shia Muslims are a cult of Islam and Lutherans are a cult of Christianity.
[09:10] <+TrollT> barabbas, thank you for your reflections and your critical predictions as to how i will not be accepted. I'll take it under consideration. God bless you.
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[09:10] <+TrollT> Cw, precisely.
[09:11] <@barabbas`> TrollT: I hope you do, and I hope you quit trolling here as well.
[09:11] <@ChuckWagon> From a more secular perspective, they would be a small religious group that generally is regarded as extremely controlling on its members having a singular leader to whom intense devotion is demanded.
[09:11] <+Ross> i dont agree with those defs, but my dictionary gives a slightly dif def
[09:12] <+Godric> i thought people discussed idea's not people here
[09:12] <+TrollT> barabbas, a sad set of hopes those. May we learn to love everyone we encounter and encourage even the smallest.
[09:12] <@ChuckWagon> Now from an orthodox (lower-case "o" there) Christian perspective, it would be any group professing Christianity but is, in fact, heterodox.
[09:12] <+Ross> sometimes they go together Godric
[09:12] <+TrollT> Godric, it seems to vary. I'd say the point of discussing people is in matching or discerning paths of character.
[09:12] <+layla-> shia is.not a small religious group
[09:13] <+layla-> look at iran its hard to divide.them
[09:13] <+TrollT> No it is not, layla, it is probably composed of many cults.
[09:13] <+layla-> can a shia woman.marry a wahabi.man?
[09:13] <+Godric> *shrug* i just see a lot of 'you are's not 'this is'
[09:14] <+Ross> i dont disagree with those defs, but my dictionary gives a slightly dif def
[09:14] <+TrollT> Godric, it's the personal end of debate. It allows us to test our mettle on forgiveness and self-assessment.
[09:14] <+TrollT> Ross, what does it say?
[09:14] <@ChuckWagon> I do prefer the debate center on ideas.
[09:14] <+Godric> heh i suppose.
[09:15] <+TrollT> Abstracted, the exchange never exactly touches the heart.
[09:15] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: That does help us to strive to generate more light than heat. (c:
[09:15] <+TrollT> I find personal comments when properly and tactfully put can be transformative.
[09:15] <+Ross> bacically a political or religious movement lead by a charismatic person .... which labels Christian a cult
[09:17] <@ChuckWagon> Ross: Well our church isn't a cult ... because that would require the leader to be charismatic.  I have all the charisma of a lutefisk.
[09:17] <+TrollT> Lutefisk, i hear about that from Lutherans.
[09:17] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: Norwegian ones mostly.
[09:18] <+TrollT> Yes.
[09:18] <+TrollT> On radio, Prairie Home Companion.
[09:18] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: There you go ... from the Norwegian bachelor farmers, many of whom are Lutheran.
[09:18] <+TrollT> Right!!
[09:18] <@barabbas`> TrollT I do love everyone, just as God does. It is out of his love for everyone that he sent his son. It is out of his love, and mine, that everyone come to know him and live eternally with him. It i sout of love for you that God compells me to point out why your belief, your divided heart, is not acceptable to him. It tells him that you are unwilling to show him the same love he has
[09:18] <@barabbas`> for you, that you will reject him in favor of something else.
[09:19] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: The Catholics, of course, attend "Our Lady of Perpetual Responsibility" led by Fr. Ingvest.
[09:19] <+TrollT> barabbas, thanks for pointing that out and for expressing your love as befits you. Much appreciated. Perhaps i'll learn something from it.
[09:20] <+TrollT> :) CW, naturally.
[09:20] <@ChuckWagon> This portion of our chat room is brought to you by Powder Milk Bisquits in the big blue box with the picture of the bisquit on the cover made of whole wheat grown by Norwegian bachelor farmers to give shy people the strength to get out there and do what needs to be done.
[09:20] <+layla-> trollt are u sunni?
[09:21] <@ChuckWagon> Heavens, they're tastey and expiditious.
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[09:21] <+TrollT> layla, how wonderful that you ask. I have a sunny disposition, but i doubt that that helps any. What distinguishes sunnis?
[09:21] <@barabbas`> TrollT: It is an expression of Gods love and if accepted by you, will benefit you, not me. I am sorry you have a need to twist what I am saying just to fit into your chum bucket. But, as Christ says, if they won't listen, cast them out and let Satan have them. I hope you don't misunderstand this reference. God Bless
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[09:23] <+TrollT> barabbas, I've been cast out by the best of them and am sadly used to harsh and hardened judgement from self-professed Christians. I think your course is good for you and have found it valuable to side with Satan in that dichotomy. Much obliged.
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[09:23] <+Godric> nothing like the ol' satan reference for when someone doesn't line up how you feel they should be.
[09:23] <+TrollT> Welcome back, fred__w.
[09:23] <@barabbas`> TrollT: so you admit that you side with Satan and are just here trolling. Now, since trolling is against our rules, why should I go against what Jesus tells us and allow you to remain?
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[09:24] <+TrollT> It does help one to know where the adversarial lines are being drawn, Godric.
[09:24] <+fred__w> troll  gm  setting up for the day...
[09:24] <+Ross> but Jesus is the Leader with charisma in the Church
[09:25] <+TrollT> barabbas, you do what you please. I have explained the distinction between trolling and being a troll, which i am; a Scandanavian witch. I take on what may be mistaken and hope to achieve a kindly exchange. If there is anything i have said which offends, please accept my apology. Let's resume a friendly debate.
[09:25] <@barabbas`> Godric When someone doesn't line up with what God/Jesus expects, yet claims to, they convict themselves as an agent of Satans. Troll admitted as much. Not sure what you are referring to.
[09:25] <+layla-> trollt u dont even.know?
[09:26] <+TrollT> layla, I'd like to.
[09:26] <+Godric> people disagree with what god/jesus expects
[09:26] <@ChuckWagon> Ross: Sure ... but very few see His charisma.
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[09:26] <+TrollT> barabbas, I've admitted that i am pleased to assist Satan in defense against his enemies. I'm not sure what you're impllying otherwise.
[09:26] <@barabbas`> TrollT The difference between being a troll and trolling is the same as the difference between a noun and a verb. You are a troll and given the chance you troll other people. So, while  you claim to be one and not the other, you are mistaken.
[09:27] <+TrollT> barabbas, thank you for your assessment of my character. I am sure you will do the right thing as usual.
[09:27] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: Defending Satan ... you must be a good lawyer.
[09:27] <+Godric> i thought satan generally is a lawyer
[09:27] <+TrollT> CW, funny, usually lawyers are tossed into the Satan camp.
[09:27] <@barabbas`> TrollT So you admit you are here at the behest of Satan, that your claim of  aspiring to be a Muslim or a Christian are nothing but a ploy devised by Satan.
[09:27] <+Godric> heh
[09:27] <@ChuckWagon> TrollT: There's a reason for that.
[09:28] <+TrollT> barabbas, that's not correct at all, no.
[09:28] <+Godric> he likes a good challenge
[09:28] <+TrollT> Satan didn't give me incentive to become a muslim or a christian.
[09:28] <+TrollT> I found Satan later.
[09:28] <+Godric> where was he?
[09:29] <@ChuckWagon> There was a hole in the wall between heaven and hell. Michael called the devil and said, "I'm sure your guys did this. Fix it." Satan said, "We aren't going to."  Michael said, "Then we'll sue you!" Satan said, "And where are you going to get a lawyer?"
[09:29] <+TrollT> Gosh, in the wild, in my scripture, and in my dreams eventually.
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[09:29] <@barabbas`> TrollT I am doing the right thing. See, my first instinct was to cast  you out. But God told me otherwise. He told me to continue to edify you and your true colors would come out.You first claimed that you aspired to be a Muslim and a Christian. Now we know that you aspire to neither, that you have already chosen a path.
[09:29] <+Ross> i think there is a psychological term for that barabbas .... schotozid ???
[09:30] <+TrollT> Hm, well as i have already said, i do aspire to fully submit to my God, and i do hope to place myself on the Cross.
[09:30] <@barabbas`> TrollT; So the right thing was to allow you to remain here and use you to futher Gods word. God Bless you for being a perfect example for all those who believe they can walk the line between Jesus and anything else. You have proven my point about there being only ONE path that is acceptable to God.
[09:31] <+TrollT> I'm sorry if i'm not walking the path that you God commands.
[09:31] <+TrollT> you God/your God
[09:31] <+TrollT> Maybe i'll learn it from you yet.
[09:31] <@barabbas`> TrollT Oh, you have fully submitted to your god, that is apparent. It just took a while to drag out of you who your god was. Now we all know the god you submit
[09:31] <@barabbas`> TrollT Oh, you have fully submitted to your god, that is apparent. It just took a while to drag out of you who your god was. Now we all know the god you submit to is Satan.
[09:31] <+layla-> how come barabbas sounds so wahabi?
[09:31] <@barabbas`> layla- English
[09:31] <+TrollT> Nonsense. I am allies with Satan little more.
[09:32] <@barabbas`> TrollT And I am sure he is thanking you for your service to him.
[09:32] <+TrollT> Wahabists are dualist conservatives as i understand it, barabbas.
[09:32] <+TrollT> She's remarking on the character of your expression in your treatment of me.
[09:32] <+TrollT> barabbas, that'd be keen. I like our pact.
[09:33] <@barabbas`> TrollT Yet you are the one claim who claimed dualism.
[09:33] <+Godric> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo
[09:33] <+TrollT> barabbas, I was explaining her expression, not defending it. :)
[09:33] <+Ross> dont have a divided mind with regard to Jesus
[09:34] <+TrollT> Ross, is that to what barabbas is referring?
[09:34] <+TrollT> Thanks i wasn't sure.
[09:34] <+Ross> yes
[09:34] <@ChuckWagon> Gotta get ... making breakfast ... or as the Gentile said, "Let there be bacon!"
[09:34] <@ChuckWagon> Peace to you all and peace to our troubled world which sorely needs it.
[09:34] <@barabbas`> TrollT: ohh, but you agreed with it, or appeared to. see, this kind of behavior is exactly how satan works. He appears to be one of you, yet not quite. this is the attraction.
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[09:34] <+TrollT> Fare well CW.
[09:34] <+Ross> facon bacon for me CW
[09:35] <+TrollT> Agreed with what, barabbas?
[09:35] <+TrollT> That you were sounding like a Wahabist? I hardly think so.
[09:35] <+TrollT> I don't think i have met many Wahabis.
[09:36] <@barabbas`> TrollT You still haven't answered my question. Why do you align yourself with Satan and claim you aspire to be muslim and Christian.
[09:36] <@barabbas`> TrollT I don't know what a whahbist is, can I assume it is an insult.
[09:36] <+Godric> heh
[09:37] <@barabbas`> see, the only reason you, as an agent of Satan, would have to use a foreign expression to define me, would be to insult my Chritianity.
[09:37] <+TrollT> Thank you for that question. I defend Satan against his enemies because it seems unfair the lot he has been given in condemnation and punishment. I claim to aspire to being muslim and christian because i hope to fully submit to my God and place myself upon the Cross.
[09:37] <+TrollT> I don't know, you'd have to ask layla about that. I haven't met many Wahabists. I gather that they are, according to layla, the primary Muslims responsible for the violence.
[09:38] <@barabbas`> TrollT; Like I said in my original assessment, you are a troll and are here chumming for Satan. Time for you to leave.
[09:38] <@barabbas`> +bl *!*yronwode@208.201.242.19 3 trolling for satan barabbas`
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[09:39] <+layla-> im totally confused with trollt
[09:42] <@barabbas`> layla- That is how satan works. he plays on your confusion. You should be used to it though, muhammad has used this for centuries. Like I said earlier, first he denies you education that would help in your confusion, then he provides a  way out of your confusion. Problem is, that way out will only result in death with him. Jesus is offering an alternative, which is life in him.
[09:45] <+layla-> no barabbas
[09:45] <+layla-> i love islam
[09:45] <+Godric> this is where islam gets called satanism in disguise or something like that
[09:46] <+Godric> and i hope you find jesus (start being in my religion) so you get saved
[09:47] <+Godric> ;)
[09:48] <+Ross> are you muslim Godric
[09:48] <+Godric> nope
[09:48] <+layla-> !kjv matthew 1:1
[09:48] <@BibleBot> Mat1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. (KJV)
[09:48] <+layla-> how.do.u expect me to.believe barabbas?
[09:49] <+Ross> i where the Jesus of the bible offers a viable answer to the sin problem that islam doesnt have a solution for
[09:51] <+layla-> we are accountable for our actions
[09:52] <+Ross> dont give up learning
[09:52] <+Ross> dont give up trying to understand
[09:54] <@barabbas`> layla- It isn't up to me to force you to believe, All I am required to do and all I can do is tell you about God and his plan.
[09:54] <+layla-> what is.his plan for.me
[09:54] <@barabbas`> layla- Look at what went on today. troll was here talking with you. Do you think he was convincing?
[09:56] <@barabbas`> layla- judging by what troll told you, do you believe he wants to be a muslim like you and submit to god as you have.
[09:56] <+layla-> my heart believes he is a muslim
[09:56] <@barabbas`> layla- Yet he admitted he is here serving Satan.
[09:56] <+Ross> same plan He has for all of us .... to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and to live and believe as He taught we should
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[09:58] <+layla-> i dont know what he.means
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[09:59] <@barabbas`> layla- See, he used just enough about Islam to convince you of his sincerity in being a Muslim. Now apply that same strategy, that same way of gaining your confidence to Muhammad. He took just enough of Jesus to convince you that he was the way to God. muhammad was no different than Trollt.
[09:59] <+Ross> God/Jesus/Holy Ghost are ONE they're not confused or divided
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[10:10] <+layla-> ross u mean.they are different entities but united as one?
[10:10] <+Ross> correct
[10:11] <+Ross> united in all things
[10:11] <+layla-> i believe so too
[10:11] <@barabbas`> layla-: No, they aren't differnt, they are different expressions of the same entityu
[10:11] <+layla-> thats called wahdatul wujud ross
[10:11] <@barabbas`> layla-; God is ONE entity EXPRESSED in Three persons.
[10:11] <+Ross> Jesus as the Son of God, the Son of Man, is part of unity
[10:12] <+layla-> ross i think you can.be a muslim.:)
[10:12] * +mugz yawns
[10:12] <+Ross> i dont think so, there jesus of the koran is not the Jesus of the bible
[10:12] <@barabbas`> Ross: I think you are mistaken. Jesus is NOT a separate entity from God. He is the second PERSON of the trinity.
[10:13] <+Ross> i understand them as 3 Divine persons who are God
[10:13] <+mugz> I was looking at TroolT's channel last nite trying to figure him out:
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:18] <+mugz> its really.... "out there"
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:21] <+mugz> http://www.luckymojo.com/allavidyana.html
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:22] <+mugz> http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/dallun/sex-magick-taxonomy.html
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:22] <+mugz> b) Prophesy => necromancy; communion with the dead and the resultant foreknowledge obtained via sex in a grave or with a corpse
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:22] <+mugz> (Walter Mapp)
[10:13] <+mugz> [23:23] <+mugz> um... I duno whether to laugh or be sick...
[10:13] <@barabbas`>  Ross right, God is one, Person is an EXPRESSION of the ONE, not separate
[10:13] <+layla-> ross have u read the quran?
[10:13] <@barabbas`> mugz Stop flooding
[10:14] <+mugz> barabbas` - that was part of the info I found on TrollT's channel he ops
[10:14] <+Ross> i read enough of the koran to know the jesus of the koran is not the Jesus of the bible
[10:14] <@barabbas`> mugz I don't care, we don't discuss other channels here.
[10:14] <@barabbas`> besides he is gone.
[10:15] <+mugz> barabbas` that was not the point barabbas` - I just never realized there was stuff that depraved out there actually being put forth as a religion
[10:15] <+layla-> barabbas my heart tells me you are a muslim. why is that?
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[10:16] <+layla-> u just telling mugz about ghibah
[10:16] <@barabbas`> layla- Just as you said, when something BECOMES something else, there is NO change to the original. When the word, which is God, BECAME flesh, there was NO Change, it was STILL God.
[10:16] <+layla-> jesus is His Word
[10:17] <@barabbas`> layla- I don't know what you are saying, I don't understand arabic. IF you can't show me enough respect to communicate with me in a language we both know, please don't speak with me.
[10:17] <+layla-> what ever he utters is the word of god. so he is the messenger abd His Word
[10:17] <+layla-> and*
[10:17] <@barabbas`> layla- we went through this the other day. NOT GONNA do through it again. The word WAS GOD and the word BECAME FLESH. according to your own admission NOTHING CHANGED.
[10:18] <@barabbas`> layla- God/The word DID NOT CHANGE when HE BECAME FLESH. Now I don't know how many different ways I can say this. STOP TWISTING WHAT IS SAID JUST SO YOU CAN PUSH ISLAM.
[10:19] <+layla-> he is not The Word he is His Word
[10:19] <+Ross> the Word/Promises of God became fulfilled in the person of Jesus
[10:20] <@barabbas`> layla- Read John 1:1-14, the progression from the word to the flesh is laid out, step by step.
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[10:20] <+amigojapan> hey guys
[10:20] <+Ross> hi amigo
[10:20] <+layla-> he is a representative of God
[10:20] <+amigojapan> hi Ross
[10:20] <@barabbas`> hello amigojapan
[10:20] <+amigojapan> hi barabbas` layla-
[10:20] <+layla-> hey amigo.
[10:20] <@barabbas`> layla- One last time. HE IS GOD, now move on, this topic is over for  you.
[10:21] <+amigojapan> Ross: I watched 2 movies online today....     the grand budapest hotel, and boyhood :)
[10:21] <+Ross> what was they bout
[10:21] <+layla-> slaps barabbas dont talk to a woman.like that
[10:21] <@barabbas`> layla- move on
[10:21] <+fred__w> aj  the former was bad  at least i didnt like it
[10:22] <+mugz> I hear this argument a lot, for some reason Muslims think its impossible for God to take human form - this dispite the fact that Islam even copies the Bible in teaching that man is created in the image of Allah
[10:22] <+layla-> huh?
[10:22] <+layla-> mugz prove it
[10:22] <+mugz> I think they just "pretend" to think God cannot do that
[10:22] <+YYZ> imgaine that, a religion that copies the religions that came before it!
[10:22] <@barabbas`> !niv John 1:1
[10:22] <@BibleBot> John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (NIV)
[10:22] <+fred__w> ross  i would call the former an odd comedy
[10:22] <+amigojapan> Ross: the buddaspest hotel is pretty complicated to explain, I bet it was based on a novel, cause hte story is complicated, but it was very good...  boyhood was simple, just follows a kid from childhood into adulthood, and all the problems he has in life,  like when his mom gets beat by his stepdad and they need to leave him
[10:22] <@barabbas`> !niv john 1:14
[10:22] <+Ross> the inconsistencies make me chuckle mugz
[10:22] <@BibleBot> John1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (NIV)
[10:23] <+amigojapan> hi fred__w
[10:23] <+fred__w> aj  gm
[10:23] <+amigojapan> fred__w: the former being the hotel one?
[10:23] <+fred__w> yes
[10:23] <@barabbas`> layla- In john 1:1 it says the word WAS God, in john 1:14 it says the WORD that IS God BECAME FLESH. There is your proof.
[10:23] <+amigojapan> fred__w: I quite liked it...
[10:23] <+fred__w> aj  everyones different
[10:23] <+amigojapan> yuup fred__w
[10:25] <+mugz> layla- http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=allah+adam+created+image&translator=2&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
[10:26] <+amigojapan> fred__w: I do think the hotel buddapest was kinfod old school,  but I like that
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[10:26] <+fred__w> aj  it was odd
[10:27] <+NormalSubmarine> hi
[10:27] <+amigojapan> fred__w: hmmm,   kindof reminds me of movies like 80days around hte world, or marry poppins
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