[09:47] <Mnemomeme> no JG, please, regale us with stories about how Heidegger disagrees with Locke
[09:47] <JohnGuru> lol
[09:47] <JohnGuru> I have no idea what Locke says, mnemo. I never had much interest in the guy
[09:48] <JohnGuru> the notion of human rights is interesting
[09:48] <JohnGuru> I don't think people take it seriously in the way he originally proposed it, though
[09:48] <JohnGuru> why is 'writing' in the nick list?
[09:49] <Mnemomeme> I can't even begin to pretend I'm capable of participating in the name game. In my experience of reading philosophical texts, the people who qualify an entire concept as <Name of someone> are just being assholes to everyone else present, whether they have read the books themselves or not. I have read Hume, and there's not a chance in hell I'd ever refer to any idea as "Hume's position"
[09:49] <JohnGuru> *nods*
[09:49] <JohnGuru> it's not like science, is it, mnemo, where people know what theory came from who
[09:50] <Mnemomeme> I've also read a lot of other philosophers, little bits of them anyway. I still refuse to play
[09:50] <commoner> common sense was a good read, Tom payne died broke and only had 4 people at his furneal, 3 of them were indians
[09:50] <JohnGuru> it's important to match up scientists with their theories, but when it comes to philosophy, fuck that shit man ..
[09:50] <Mnemomeme> JG, well when you get down to the brass Engels of it, the Sartre comes out and suddenly everyone's Rand.
[09:50] <JohnGuru> blah blah blah
[09:51] <Mnemomeme> babble babble babble logic babble babble sources, yadda yadda ad hominem
[09:51] <Mnemomeme> you're just talking about ideas... if you don't know what the ideas are, shut the hell up. Ya know? The Name Game is politics, it isn't debate.
[09:52] <Mnemomeme> politics is debated, but debate is a verb there. The overarching body of politics is mostly not debate... it's stupid things like poll statistics and speculative analysis of potential poll statistics
[09:53] <JohnGuru> oh cripes mnemo, you can be so stupid. By mentioning the name, it fills in the idea, completes it. Most decent ideas can't be stated in one short IRC sentence, so if you know, it's, like, Searle's blah blah, then you know what it is
[09:54] <Mnemomeme> never heard of anything less useful in my life... solar powered flashlights are more useful than "unscientific poll results asking people to speculate on who they might vote for if there is an election"
[09:55] <+nips> what I'm curious to know is why you do not simply take the community that is this channel and chat as you would have yourself do free from the oppression of channel management, Mnemomeme
[09:55] <Mnemomeme> JG, even as an abbreviation it doesn't work. For example, Descartes was all over the place on the concept of free will. When you say "descartes model of free will" you're not specifying anything, there's at least four options there.
[09:55] <+nips> you profess to suffer injury; please avail yourself of the remedy you tell us you plan to do
[09:56] <JohnGuru> Mnemo, if I didn't know better, I'd think you were disagreeing with me ... but as that's not possible ..
[09:56] <+nips> as I mentioned previously, Mnemo, I'm unwilling to have you be the one user in channel who is granted special privilege to insult and attack others as you see fit to do so, and that includes the attacks you make against myself as well as JohnGuru
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[09:57] <+nips> it's time to stop that behaviour, Mnemo
[09:57] * Mnemomeme rolls around on the ground getting all muddy and screams "I'm bein oppressed! You saw it didn't you! You saw her oppress me?"
[09:57] <JohnGuru> lol
[09:57] <+nips> yes; if you are so oppressed take the 15 users of this channel you claim will 'leave with you' and be gone
[09:57] <JohnGuru> I do like a sense of humor
[09:57] <+nips> save us all, please; but do it now
[09:57] <+nips> don't wait
[09:58] <JohnGuru> morning catnip :)
[09:58] <JohnGuru> guess what, I just bought a new airplane :)
[09:58] <+nips> good morning, JohnGuru :)
[09:58] <+nips> did you?
[09:58] <JohnGuru> yes, a virtual DC-3 :)
[09:58] <Mnemomeme> big fat slow and hard as hell to land... good practice
[09:58] <+nips> heh - I think I know a DC-3 non-virtual style
[09:58] <JohnGuru> probably the most famous flightsim aircraft model in the business .. the Mid-Atlantic Air Museum has been developing and distributing it for more than 10 years
[09:59] <Mnemomeme> Jg, can you land successfully on the okinawa strip?
[09:59] <+nips> ah, interesting
[10:00] <JohnGuru> mnemo, hell yes
[10:00] <Mnemomeme> impressive
[10:01] <Mnemomeme> back when I was using microsoft flightsim 4, it took me two weeks to get it one time. Never tried again.
[10:01] <JohnGuru> the dc-3 is able to take off out of an unimproved dirt runway of only 1850 ft, and can land on an unimproved runway only 2500 ft long, which makes it the most versatile heavy aircraft in the world. Only the C-130 comes close
[10:02] <JohnGuru> that's why there are still DC-3's flying here and there
[10:02] <Mnemomeme> kept slamming into the cliffs either at the front or the back of the strip, or sometimes wind shear would roll me nito the side of the mountain
[10:02] <JohnGuru> lot of 'em in alasker
[10:02] <JohnGuru> mnemo, FS9 is a lot more realistic than the old FS4. I remember FS4. I started with that
[10:03] <Mnemomeme> I hit mountains a lot when trying to land anywhere in japan, but okinawa was my nemesis
[10:04] <Mnemomeme> landing strip is on a cliff, and has another cliff at the end. Zero room for error
[10:04] <Mnemomeme> you can't pull up and try again, it's one shot
[10:05] <Mnemomeme> and just as you get to the strip you get hit by that wind shear that curls around the mountain
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[10:05] <Mnemomeme> can't believe anyone actually put a real airport in a place like that
[10:06] <Mnemomeme> might as well put it underground
[10:08] <Mnemomeme> easier to land on strip three in san francisco
[10:08] <Mnemomeme> which averages three crashes a year IRL
[10:09] <Mnemomeme> usually not passenger planes so it's not news
[10:18] <commoner> Apple has a factory in China, 500 thousand workers, 25 cafeterias, and 5 high bunk beds, the suicide rate was so high, management had to put nets around the buildings
[10:21] <Mnemomeme> "Your contract does not allow you to kill yourself. You will continue working in deplorable conditions for free until we say you can leave."
[10:21] <Mnemomeme> yep, slavery
[10:22] <Mnemomeme> I wonder what a cafeteria designed to feed a hundred thousand people three times a day looks like
[10:22] <JohnGuru> like a pig trough
[10:22] <commoner> military chow line I suspect
[10:23] <Mnemomeme> my thoughts exactly
[10:23] <JohnGuru> you pipe the swill into the
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[10:24] <Mnemomeme> commoner, a hundred thousand people three times a day. that's 0.86 seconds per "customer" if it's a chow line.
[10:24] <Mnemomeme> and that's for one meal a day
[10:25] <Mnemomeme> I would guess it's probably a giant trough full of rice, and a bunch of little tables with flavorings and additional components like vegetables, sauce, meat... scattered around.
[10:25] <commoner> well, maybe we should cut the eating time to 0.83 seconds to increase profits
[10:26] <Mnemomeme> pfff, as if chinese factory slaves ever get to eat meat, heh
[10:27] <Mnemomeme> the occasional insect or stray pidgeon maybe
[10:27] <Mnemomeme> assuming the factory doesn't spend ten thousand years worth of wages on a bug zapper system to prevent them from eating any meat at all
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[10:28] <JohnGuru> i'm heading out for the day. Might be back tonight.
[10:28] <Mnemomeme> great
[10:28] <JohnGuru> take care y'all .. commonman, nips
[10:28] <JohnGuru> mnemo
[10:28] <Mnemomeme> well, unban me when you get back
[10:28] <JohnGuru> heh
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[10:28] <commoner> see ya JG
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[10:36] <Mnemomeme> heya tolkach
[10:36] <Mnemomeme> your name was mentioned recently, but I don't think I have ever actually talked to you before. Since the mention was during an argument about people I have supposedly been abusive to, I was wonder... have we met?
[10:37] <Mnemomeme> *wondering
[10:41] <+nips> Mnemo : cease and desist from complaining about how management runs this channel
[10:41] <Mnemomeme> nips, cease and desist from assuming that every word that comes after my name is somehow about your stupid ass
[10:41] <+nips> Mnemo : you seem to believe JohnGuru can unban you in the event I or myself or neo ban you
[10:41] <+nips> he cannot
[10:41] <Mnemomeme> You, you, or neo
[10:41] <Mnemomeme> got it
[10:42] <+nips> oh; pardon me
[10:42] <+nips> myself, ribbit, or neo
[10:42] <+nips> clear now?
[10:42] <Mnemomeme> ribbit isn't here anymore, you chased him out.
[10:42] <+nips> JohnGuru is not the one for you to appeal to
[10:42] <Mnemomeme> neo isn't here anymore either.
[10:42] <LionClan> hello
[10:43] <+nips> how's that new channel of yours and the 15 chatters who you are taking with you coming along?
[10:43] <Mnemomeme> I dunno, you want to force the issue right now?
[10:43] <+nips> it would be more productive for all if you were to concentrate your efforts in building your userbase there
[10:44] <+nips> in that way, you get what you want, and then the need for you to complain about oppressive management here in this channel would be obviated
[10:44] <Mnemomeme> Hey, everyone that thinks catnips is a psychotic bitch, let's move out of this hellhole.
[10:44] <+nips> you'd have no cause to continue to ensure this channel is free from trolls as you declare trolls to be in this channel
[10:44] <+nips> it's a simple request, but for some reason you refuse to comply
[10:44] <Mnemomeme> stop being a crazy bitch is a simple request too. I'l comply when you do.
[10:44] <LionClan> I missed JG again
[10:45] <+nips> Mnemomeme: you have declared yourself my enemy
[10:45] <+nips> Mnemomeme: and yet here you are
[10:45] <Mnemomeme> Do you own this place now?
[10:45] <LionClan> he isn't your enemy
[10:45] <Mnemomeme> Is this #sanctuary2 ?
[10:45] <LionClan> you are paranoid.
[10:46] <LionClan> he just doesn't like hearing about op skills for hours
[10:46] <LionClan> no one does
[10:46] <Mnemomeme> no, LC, I am not her enemy, but she is mine. She stands against everything good and wholesome and worth preserving about this community, and she's drawing the line in the sand right now. She has just asked me to take everyone that doesn't like her, and leave.
[10:46] <+nips> LionClan: please do be sure to join Mnemomeme's new channel
[10:46] <LionClan> try something more philosophical
[10:46] <Mnemomeme> catnips, the community here aren't all always present, give me a few days and I'l move.
[10:46] <LionClan> see you ranted at me for half a day about op skills
[10:47] <LionClan> did anyone enjoy that
[10:47] <LionClan> besides you
[10:47] <+nips> Mnemomeme: just do it; take the community you say will follow you, and be gone
[10:47] <+nips> Mnemomeme: stop threatening and start acting
[10:47] <Mnemomeme> make this the topic please
[10:47] <Mnemomeme> [10:47] <+nips> Mnemomeme: just do it; take the community you say will follow you, and be gone
[10:47] <LionClan> then the next day you chatted for a couple hours normally
[10:47] <Mnemomeme> that way you won't be bothered by any of those people showing up
[10:48] <LionClan> see when you stop talking about op skills, you're not a bad person
[10:48] <LionClan> and a rather enthusiastic chatter
[10:48] <LionClan> so quit being paranoid
[10:48] <+nips> LionClan: please do join Mnemomeme's new channel
[10:49] <Mnemomeme> it isn't mine. I still refuse to be an op.
[10:49] <LionClan> and quit thinking every question requires a lesson on op skills
[10:49] <+nips> LionClan: you're welcome to discuss me in his channel all you like
[10:49] <+nips> Mnemomeme: not my problem
[10:49] <Mnemomeme> You're making it your problem
[10:49] <+nips> Mnemomeme: do as you said you would do
[10:49] <+nips> Mnemomeme: stop saying what you are going to do and do it
[10:49] <Mnemomeme> ok
[10:49] <LionClan> the only reason I even mention you, is it is half of what is discussed here
[10:49] <LionClan> you, you , you
[10:50] <LionClan> so let me have some philosophy with my coffee
[10:50] <LionClan> Down in front.
[10:50] <LionClan> !newtop
[10:50] <@Socrates> Can the meaning be deconstructed at all? Can the decontruction of language lead to a constructive result or not?