Never tell your password to anyone.
Drilldrill: hey
Drilldrill: you said you knew nyanners right?
PelPix: uh, yeah?
Drilldrill: tell her to get a trip
Drilldrill: so i can filter her
Drilldrill: thanks
PelPix: WhaT?
PelPix: She doesn't post on /a/
Drilldrill: what is this
Drilldrill: annony shit
Drilldrill: annoying* shit on /a/ then
Drilldrill: what's with all this nyanners cocksuck train
PelPix: fucking fanboys spamming her shit
PelPix: She hates it
PelPix: because, believe it or not, she isn't an attention whore
Drilldrill: You better be right KoG. It's frustrating
Drilldrill: not being able to filter this
PelPix: She also feels like a bitch
PelPix: she feels like it's somehow her fault
PelPix: and she's actually kinda beating herself up over it
Drilldrill: It somewhat is her fault, not entirely but she does have fault in it.
PelPix: Where?
Drilldrill: The fact that she even did the video
PelPix: Nope
PelPix: That's a horrible way to think of it
PelPix: That's like saying that if someone owns a gun and it's stolen to kill someone, they're a murderer
Drilldrill: That's the base for all of this. It's the foundation for it.
Drilldrill: No they're not a murderer, they played a part in allowing the murder to happen.
Drilldrill: Simply buy owning the gun
Drilldrill: If they didn't own the gun, that person would not be killed with that gun
Drilldrill: Honestly, it works like this in court KoG.
Drilldrill: If you buy a car under your name
Drilldrill: and I kill someone with it
Drilldrill: you get put in jail for manslaughter
Drilldrill: and im with you in there.
PelPix: It doesn't matter how it works in court
PelPix: So you're saying that, from a moral, non-legal standpoint, if I'm away on vacation and you literally fall out of the fucking sky on my house completely at random, pick up my gun, and kill someone with it, it's in any way my fault?
PelPix: and I don't know you
Drilldrill: From a morality standpoint NO.
PelPix: and you don't know me
Drilldrill: From a legal standpoint Yes.
PelPix: But this isn't a legal issue
PelPix: so we're working on a moral standpoint
PelPix: so therefore it is of no fault of her
Drilldrill: If she really wants to take responsibility she would make those videos private.
PelPix: But she's not obliged to because it simply isn't her fault
PelPix: I talked her out of deleting them, fyi
Drilldrill: But that's only from the moral standpoint.
PelPix: There are no other standpoints in the world than the moral standpoint
Drilldrill: That's the worst standpoint
Drilldrill: Holy shit.
Drilldrill: Morality isn't what's upheld in the cout of law
PelPix: There's no such thing as a logical standpoint because from a logical standpoint this wouldn't bug you
PelPix: From a logical standpoint, there isn't one thing wrong with murder
PelPix: so only a moral standpoint is applicable
PelPix: Everything comes down to morality
Drilldrill: KoG, honestly, please, accept the fact that she has fault in this. She chose to voice act something that was originally created by /a/. Strike 1 right there. She then made a video of it and posted it on youtube. Strike 2. And strike 3 being that her fanboys put it on /a/ and are hailing her as the second coming of fucking JESUS
Drilldrill: She might not be all to blame, I understand that but she does have SOME FAULT.
PelPix: No
PelPix: none at all
PelPix: zero
Drilldrill: If a couple has a child
Drilldrill: and somewhere along the line that child becomes a serial killer
Drilldrill: are the parents not at some fault?
PelPix: Not at all
PelPix: not in the slightest
Drilldrill: Nice.
PelPix: The parents are different people
PelPix: The child made its choice
PelPix: Totally unrelated.
PelPix: Everything comes down to morality.  Would you say stealing has a logical basis in why it shouldn't be done?
Drilldrill: Yes.
Drilldrill: It shouldn't be done because if everyone stole then there would only be chaos.
PelPix: but what's wrong with chaos?
Drilldrill: It defies order.
PelPix: ...and?
PelPix: Regardless of chaos or order, math is still in effet
PelPix: ct
PelPix: as is logic
PelPix: They are inseperable from reality
PelPix: One might say that stealing is logically bad because it deprives someone of something, but why is depriving someone of something wrong?  Because it keeps them from being able to survive.  But why is dying wrong, from a logical standpoint?
PelPix: It isn't
PelPix: Only from a moral one
PelPix: therefore every single real world problem boils down to morality
Drilldrill: dying is wrong from a logical standpoint because you put an artificial value over yourself
Drilldrill: and kil lsomeone else
Drilldrill: because you believe your existence is better than theirs
PelPix: but what's wrong with putting an artificial value over yourself?
Drilldrill: because it isn't real.
PelPix: if I were to argue that, I'd be getting into perception
PelPix: But the point is that she is of absolutely no fault
PelPix: neither are the parents of a serial killer
Drilldrill: She has fault
PelPix: because every person is their own person
Drilldrill: and so do those parents
PelPix: that makes their own choices
PelPix: HOW?
PelPix: The parents gave birth to a CHILD, a NULL CHILD
Drilldrill: THEY INFLUENCE THE CHILD
PelPix: THE ONLY ASPECT OF THE CHILD IN RELATION TO THEM IS THAT THEY RAISED IT
Drilldrill: THE PARENTS INFLUENCE THE CHILD
PelPix: THE CHILD CHOSE
PelPix: INFLUENCE IS PREDISPOSITION
PelPix: NOT PREDEFINITION
PelPix: THE CHILD STILL CHOSE
PelPix: TO DO WHAT TI DID
Drilldrill: PREDISPOSITION LEADS TO YOUR CHOICES
Drilldrill: IT PLAYS A LARGE FACTOR IN WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO
PelPix: Yes
PelPix: but it doesn't define them entirely
Drilldrill: Yes it doesnt
Drilldrill: and thats why its not ALL HER FAULT
Drilldrill: but she has PARTIAL BLAME
PelPix: I don't understand how she has any blame at all
Drilldrill: Because she made the videos and posted them on youtube.
PelPix: with your logic, you should be blaming the people around the fanboys that made them into the kind of people that spam /a/ with stupid fucking shit
Drilldrill: I AM  BLAMING THEM TOO.
PelPix: I know
Drilldrill: THAT'S /b/ SHIT
PelPix: What I'm saying is
PelPix: in my opinion
PelPix: the chain of events starts with a bunch of fucktards finding a video on youtube
PelPix: not the creation fo the video
PelPix: the creation of the video is WHOLELY unrelated
Drilldrill: No the chain of events start because of the video
Drilldrill: if taht video never existed
PelPix: Then
PelPix: they're fucktards
Drilldrill: then she wouldnt be getting spammed on by youtube
PelPix: and they would have found another
PelPix: goddamned video
Drilldrill: NO THEY WOULDNT HAVE
PelPix: YES THEY WOULD HAVe
Drilldrill: WHO ELSE
Drilldrill: IS GOING TO GO
Drilldrill: VOICE ACT
Drilldrill: TSURIKO?
PelPix: IT MIGHT EVEN BE SOMETHING TOTALLY UNRELATED
Drilldrill: WHO ELSE IS GOING TO GO VOICE ACT POMF.
PelPix: IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVEN REMOTELY
Drilldrill: ITS BECAUSE OF THE 3 CATALYSTS
Drilldrill: SHE'S A FEMALE
Drilldrill: SHE"S GOT AN APPELAING VOICE
PelPix: there are a goddamn fucktilion of those though
Drilldrill: AND SHE'S VOICING SOMETHING RELATED TO THE ANIME CULTURE
PelPix: The faggots spamming /a/ are the ones spamming /a/
Drilldrill: WHEN YOU GIVE THEM MATERIAL TO SPAM ON /a/ SURE THEY'LL SPAM IT ON /a/
PelPix: Yes
PelPix: but what you don't understand
PelPix: is that there will ALWAYS be material for them to spam on /a/
PelPix: it will NEVER FUCKING CHANGE and it will NEVER FUCKING END
PelPix: NO MATTER WHAT
Drilldrill: YES AND IT HAPPENED TO BE NYANNERS THIS TIME
PelPix: EXACTLY
PelPix: SO IF IT NEVER HAPPENED
PelPix: IT WOULD HAPPEN TO BE SOMEONE ELSE THIS TIME
PelPix: AND IT WOULD BE JUST AS FUCKCUNT ANNOYING
Drilldrill: AND IT WOULDNT BE NYANNER
PelPix: BUT WHAT'S PISSING YOU OFF IS THE ACTION,N OT THE CONETNT
PelPix: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO OR WHAT IT WAS
PelPix: IT MATTERS THAT IT'S BEING FUCKING SPAMMED ON /A/
Drilldrill: AND IM TRACING IT BACK TO THE SOURCE
Drilldrill: WHICH IS NYANNERS
PelPix: NO
Drilldrill: IM STARTING AT THE ROOTS
PelPix: NYANNERS IS THE SOURCE OF THE VIDEO
PelPix: THE SOURCE OF THE ACTION
PelPix: THE ACTION THAT IS PISSING YOU OFF
PelPix: (NOT THE VIDEO)
PelPix: IS THE SPAMMERS
PelPix: THE CONTENT AND THE ACTION ARE UNRELATED
PelPix: YOU DON'T HATE THE CONTENT
PelPix: YOU HATE THE ACTION
Drilldrill: THE CONTENT IS RELATED BECAUSE THE CONTENT IS WHAT PROVOKED THE ACTION
PelPix: NO
PelPix: THE CONTENT IS A VICTIM OF THE ACTION
PelPix: Jesus man
PelPix: this is like saying Kagami is the reason SHIN is such a faggot
Drilldrill: Shin's a faggot because shin's a giant faggot, it's circular logic but there's no other reasoning to explain it to be honest
PelPix: the spammers are spamming /a/ because the spammers are spamming /a/
PelPix: nyanners=kagami, spammers=shin
Drilldrill: however nyanners is given a point
Drilldrill: a chance*
Drilldrill: to stop all of it
PelPix: And I convinced her not to
PelPix: earlier today
Drilldrill: if she honestly feels that it's shitting up /a/ she can stop it, she has the power
Drilldrill: and she's not using it
PelPix: Because I convinced her nto to
PelPix: Because to stop doing something you love just because some fucktards are herp derping
PelPix: Is ridiculous
Drilldrill: BUT THAT HAPPENS EVERYDAY
PelPix: but it never should
PelPix: ever
PelPix: That's called being a pussy.
Drilldrill: So she'll keep creating content, and they'll keep on spamming, and the board will get progressively worse
PelPix: Or they'll move on to the next
PelPix: stupid shit
PelPix: like they always do
PelPix: The absolute proof that I am right will come when the spamming stops and she doesn't
PelPix: and it will happen
PelPix: Because people get bored
Drilldrill: they dont get bored if new things come to them
PelPix: Except there's varying definition of new
PelPix: her voice will get old
PelPix: people will bet bored of her voice
PelPix: no matter what she does
PelPix: People should never stop doing what they love just because of retarded criticism or imitation
Drilldrill: So, define to me what she loves to do
PelPix: Voice act and post it on youtube
Drilldrill: And in doing what she loves to do, she's practically started a cult of retards.
PelPix: No
PelPix: she attracted an existing cult of retards
PelPix: And it isn't her problem because it's their choice
Drilldrill: It's somewhat your problem if you end up attracting a pack of idiots
Drilldrill: If you're walking home whistling a tune
PelPix: They chose to be idiots though
Drilldrill: and a dog walks by you and starts following you because it likes what it hears
Drilldrill: It's somewhat your fault for singing
Drilldrill: the dog will go to anyone who whistles a tune
Drilldrill: but that tune whislter happened to be you
PelPix: You're treating these faggots liek dogs though
Drilldrill: And if you dont whistle the tune and someone else does, it follows that person
PelPix: they're people and they maek their own choices
Drilldrill: Dogs make their own choices too.
PelPix: I know
PelPix: but you rarely find a person that would
PelPix: follow anyone who whistles
Drilldrill: Yeah, nyanners whistles a specific tune that caters to them.
PelPix: So?
PelPix: It's a coincidence
Drilldrill: She might not have chosen that tune for that reason, but it ended up happening because it was that tune
PelPix: I still don't understand where you're coming from
PelPix: She didn't do it on purpose so it isn't her fault
Drilldrill: Even if you didn't do something on purpose
Drilldrill: but you did it
Drilldrill: and it causes something
Drilldrill: its partially your fault
PelPix: I don't understand how
Drilldrill: Like say you knock over a glass vase as your walking by
Drilldrill: you didnt intend to knock it over
Drilldrill: but you did
PelPix: Your body walked it by
PelPix: knocked it over*
Drilldrill: You didn't intend to do it
Drilldrill: but you still still hpapened
PelPix: But you didn't do it
PelPix: your body did
Drilldrill: Okay, that's the worst fucking argument I've ever heard
Drilldrill: I didn't kill him
Drilldrill: My schizophrenic other side happen to do it
PelPix: No
Drilldrill: I didn't kill him, the gun did
PelPix: Don't distort my argument
PelPix: Don't
PelPix: distort my argument
Drilldrill: I'm
Drilldrill: Not
Drilldrill: That's what it looks like to me.
PelPix: Yes you are
Drilldrill: Then explain
Drilldrill: FURTHER
PelPix: If you decide to shoot someone, then it's your fault whatever happens when the bullet hits them
PelPix: but if you trip and fall onto a gun that shoots someone
PelPix: it really isn't your fault
Drilldrill: WHAT
Drilldrill: SO WHO'S FAULT IS IT THEN?
Drilldrill: NO ONE ELSE TRIGGERED THE GUN
PelPix: Nobody's
Drilldrill: IT WAS YOU
PelPix: Nobody's at all
PelPix: things don't have to have a fautl
Drilldrill: Things have a reason as to why they happened
PelPix: Yeah
Drilldrill: And someone caused that something to happen
PelPix: they happened because
Drilldrill: SOMETHING caused that something to happen
PelPix: a simple reaction of physics
PelPix: a body fell onto a gun
PelPix: the trigger pushed down
PelPix: a shot was fired
PelPix: and someone died.
PelPix: Doesn't matter whos body it was if it wasn't on purpose
Drilldrill: WHAT
Drilldrill: BECAUSE OF YOUR BODY, BECAUSE OF YOU, A PERSON DIED.
Drilldrill: IF YOU NEVER FELL NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED
PelPix: and?
PelPix: you didn't fall on purpose
Drilldrill: So I'm firing some bullets into the fucking sky to celebrate july 4th
Drilldrill: they kill 20 children
Drilldrill: oh man
Drilldrill: I didn't mean to do it
Drilldrill: not my fault
PelPix: Don't
PelPix: twist pmy point
Drilldrill: i get out of jail for freee
PelPix: Death isn't an action, it's a result
PelPix: you DID intend to fire a gun
Drilldrill: yeahe but
PelPix: guns are dangerous
PelPix: by firing a gun you agree
Drilldrill: I didn't INTEND to shoot them
PelPix: that everything the bullet happens
PelPix: is your fault
Drilldrill: You intend to move, it's your fault that you fell on that gun because you intended to move
Drilldrill: if you were just sitting there
Drilldrill: and never fell
Drilldrill: oh man that gun wouldnt have shot anyone
PelPix: That's true
PelPix: but walking alone isn't dangerous
PelPix: shooting a gun is ALWAYS dangerous
Drilldrill: Yes and it was the person who fell on the gun that caused it to shoot which caused a dangerous action which caused the result of death
PelPix: but the person who fell couldn't have known they were going to fall
PelPix: but the person who was stupid enough to shoot a gun up in the air knows the risk
Drilldrill: But if they're stupid how do they know the risk?
Drilldrill: a child can pick up a gun knowing nothing and shoot it
Drilldrill: it happened actually
Drilldrill: a week ago
Drilldrill: he killed his mom.
Drilldrill: and he's 2 years old
PelPix: Okay
PelPix: then it isn't his fault because he didn't know
Drilldrill: but it is his fault
PelPix: no it isn't
Drilldrill: he'll grow up forever knowing it was his fault
PelPix: It wasn't his fault he didn't know
Drilldrill: When everyone else looks at it, they'll see its his fault, the only person to believe it's not their own fault would be sympathizers and the person if they delude themselves.
PelPix: It'd be a delusion to think it WAS their fault
PelPix: if they didn't know what a gun did and they shot someone by accident
PelPix: It isn't their fault
PelPix: because what they were holding was not a gun until it fired
PelPix: from their perspective
Drilldrill: So it's not their fault so long as they're in the dark about the consequences?
PelPix: Correct.
Drilldrill: So it's not peter parker's fault his granddad died because he chose to not stop the guy who shot his granddad moments prior when he was stealing money.
PelPix: Nope
PelPix: Not at all
PelPix: His guilt is delusional
Drilldrill: How's life like as a sociopath?
PelPix: This is actually the exact opposite of sociopathy.
PelPix: But to the same extreme
PelPix: which is still pretty fucked up
PelPix: a sociopath finds nothing wrong with killing someone
PelPix: there are a ton of things wrong with killing someone
PelPix: and if I ever killed someone I would probably just kill myself from the guilt
Drilldrill: So if there's a glass of poisoned water on the table
Drilldrill: I didn't know it was poisoned
Drilldrill: and i drink it
Drilldrill: it's not my fault that i was poisoned
Drilldrill: even though I trusted the water
PelPix: Correct
Drilldrill: So it's no one's fault they get screwed over or lied to because they didn't expect it
PelPix: Shit's the liars fault
Drilldrill: But you're at fault for trusting the liar aren't you?
PelPix: How would you know differently
PelPix: If I told an innocent child that firing a gun at their parent would spout unicorns and rainbows and end war
PelPix: and they did it
PelPix: It's me that's fucked up
PelPix: They are of no fault
PelPix: I should be locked away for fucking eternity
Drilldrill: WHAT?
Drilldrill: EVERYONE WOULD BELIEVE IT'S THEIR FAULT
Drilldrill: OF COURSE YOU'RE AT FAULT TOO
Drilldrill: BUT THE CHILD IS AT FAULT FOR TRUSTING YOU
PelPix: So
PelPix: How
PelPix: You seem to be under the impression that it is possible for someone ignorant to NOT trust the very first person that informs them of something
PelPix: Especially a child
PelPix: And on top of that, you seem to be under the impression that morality isn't entirely overridden by diffusion of responsibility
PelPix: There was an experiment done.  People were told to shock a test subject with increasingly large quantities of electricity by researchers
PelPix: the shocks were fake
PelPix: but they continued to do it until the victim was "dead"
PelPix: Because "scientists" told them to
PelPix: every last one of them
Drilldrill: Yeah see, it's their fault.
PelPix: Yes.  It is
PelPix: but you see
PelPix: Children are quite different
PelPix: They have no sense of anything
PelPix: up until the age of about , they think anything they stop seeing doesn't exist
PelPix: and have no sense of preservation
PelPix: if you pour water from a wide, short glass into a tall, thin one
PelPix: they will think the tall thin one has more water in it
PelPix: proven
PelPix: about 5*
PelPix: these factors combine into making the child not at fault
PelPix: the electroshock example wasn't a good one
PelPix: beacuse the final rung SAID "DEATH"
PelPix: and they still did it
PelPix: Which is another problem entirely
PelPix: I'm saying that if the subjects had no idea it would kill them
PelPix: THEN it isn't their fault
PelPix: But if it DOES say death
PelPix: then it is
PelPix: What I'm saying is that you can't confuse malice with plain old stupidity
PelPix: if someone fires a gun and has no idea what it does and it kills someone
PelPix: physically they caused it
PelPix: but morally it is not their fault
Drilldrill: the plain old stupidity caused it
Drilldrill: Physically is what matters
Drilldrill: because that person is dead
Drilldrill: you can have all the morals you want
Drilldrill: but by the end of the day
PelPix: The person is dead
Drilldrill: that person is still dead.
PelPix: Yes
PelPix: the person is dead
PelPix: but the person firing the gun didn't kill them
PelPix: Physically isn't all that matters because the actual mind of a human being is a conceptual thing
PelPix: it has no physical base
PelPix: the brain simulates it
PelPix: The body and the mind are seperate
PelPix: the mind, the actual construct of the person
PelPix: is essentially a virtual entity simulated by the physical brain
Drilldrill: personal message from shizu-chan
"Cool story bro"
Drilldrill: But continuing on
Drilldrill: the body and the mind arent seperate
Drilldrill: unless the person's mind can't control it
Drilldrill: the mind is usually in control of the bodys outer functions
Drilldrill: involuntary actions such as breathing and blinking and your heart pumping
PelPix: Yes
Drilldrill: exist
PelPix: but the mind
Drilldrill: but voluntary actions such as walking
PelPix: let me explain as well as I can
Drilldrill: which will lead to falling
PelPix: why it isn't their fault
Drilldrill: onto a gun
Drilldrill: Okay go
PelPix: If a personw ho doesn't know what a gun does fires a gun that kills someone
PelPix: it isn't their fault because when they made the decision to fire the gun, the gun was not something that killed people, it was an unknown.
PelPix: The gun didn't become a gun until the person was dead
PelPix: The data required by the brain for a proper calculation of results was MISSING
PelPix: because the person had no idea of the function of a gun
PelPix: Allow me to put it this way
PelPix: A computer has a calculator on it
PelPix: every time the answer is not 24, someone dies
PelPix: the equation put in is 10+10
PelPix: the annswer is 20
PelPix: someone dies
PelPix: what you're saying is that it's the computer's fault
PelPix: for not outputting 24.
Drilldrill: partially it is because the computer has the calculator
Drilldrill: if the calculator were never used
Drilldrill: actually
Drilldrill: if the computer weren't used
Drilldrill: it wouldnt have killed
PelPix: We're not talking to that level of meta
PelPix: We're talking about strictly the set of data I gave you
PelPix: Take the usage of the computer, the absolute nature of the calculator, the non-24 result, and the input equation as absolutes
PelPix: constants
PelPix: constants*
Drilldrill: k
Drilldrill: So yes, the calculator didn't put out a 24
Drilldrill: it killed someone
Drilldrill: the calculator's fault
Drilldrill: it didn't intend to kill anyone
Drilldrill: it just wanted to do its job
Drilldrill: output numbers according to the mathematical laws
Drilldrill: but it killed someone as a side-effect
Drilldrill: Because of ants we have chocolate
Drilldrill: they dont intend to make chocolate
Drilldrill: it's their fault we have chocolate
Drilldrill: it's because of thme we have chocolate
PelPix: No, it isn't the calculator's fault
PelPix: the calculator is an absolute thing that only does one thing
PelPix: calculate
PelPix: like the brain
PelPix: it cannot not do something or do something different
PelPix: it is REQUIRED
Drilldrill: if the brain only calculated it would only think logically and morality wouldn't be an issue.
PelPix: The brain only calculates.
PelPix: Ridiculously advanced equations create morality
PelPix: If you deliver a pulse of electricity to the brain right behind the right ear
PelPix: it disables the moral center
Drilldrill: wow, everyone should have that be done to them as soon as its safe
PelPix: There was an experiemnt done with it
PelPix: they were given a scenario
PelPix: two butlers served two cups of tea.  One intended to sweeten the tea but accidentally poisoned it, while the other intended to poison it but accidentally sweetened it
PelPix: Before the shock, the people unanimously agreed that, at base, given the scenario, the one that intended to poison the tea was an intended murderer and they should be punished if their attempt was quantifiable (it isn't, but you get the idea)
PelPix: after the shock, they were either too confused to decide or thought that the one that had accidentally poisoned the tea should be put to DAETH
PelPix: DEATH*
Drilldrill: Ahh logic, truly the finest.
Drilldrill: You ended up killing someone, man up and take responsibility
PelPix: responsibility for what
PelPix: all you did was make a choice
PelPix: with insufficient data
Drilldrill: That led to a persons death.
PelPix: right
PelPix: but you didn't know that at the moment you made the choice
PelPix: if you had
PelPix: you wouldn't have made it
PelPix: and if you knew and did anyway
PelPix: THEN it's your fault
Drilldrill: You'd make a great philosopher
Drilldrill: and I'd make a great lawyer
Drilldrill: but beyond that
Drilldrill: It still really ends up with a person dying at the end of the day
Drilldrill: And that cant be changed
PelPix: And?
Drilldrill: and someone must take responsibility for that
PelPix: WHY?
PelPix: Why does there have to be someone at fault
PelPix: at all
Drilldrill: Because how else can you dish out the consequences to the action.
Drilldrill: What are you going to say
Drilldrill: oh man
Drilldrill: It's not your fault you burned down my house
PelPix: Consequences to what action?
PelPix: How do you punish accidental murder
Drilldrill: You didn't know that matches set things on fire and fire burns
PelPix: with what do you
PelPix: punish it?
Drilldrill: You lock that person away
PelPix: ...for what reason?
PelPix: What wil locking them away
PelPix: accomplish
PelPix: It won't bring the dead back
PelPix: I'm sure if they did it by accident
Drilldrill: No but it serves as a punishment to remind others not to make the same mistake
PelPix: their own feelings are punishment enough
PelPix: If they did it by accident
PelPix: their own feelings are punishment enough
PelPix: that is why remorse exists
PelPix: That person has to live with the fact that they caused someone's death
PelPix: Nothing will ever pain them more than that
PelPix: no prison sentence
PelPix: (which would accomplish nothing)
Drilldrill: >that person has to live with the fact they caued someone's death
Drilldrill: see it's their fault
PelPix: No
PelPix: But they will think ti is
PelPix: invariably
PelPix: Most rape victims think it was their fault they were raped
PelPix: it goes to that extent
PelPix: Obviously I'm not talking to that extreme
PelPix: But if I killed someone by accident
PelPix: I would still feel at fault even though I know it was an accident
PelPix: and I would still hurt for the rest of my life
PelPix: because I am not a sociopath
PelPix: The truth is that punishment for actions is NOT required
PelPix: It is unnatural and should not exist
PelPix: The only thing that should exist is direct consequences
PelPix: prison should only be used to keep dangerous people who would kill again
PelPix: away from the general public
PelPix: There is NO POINT in putting someone who killed by accident in prison
PelPix: And putting people who kiled ON PURPOSE and would kill again, in prison for any other reason than to get them away from people to kill
PelPix: Is also ridiculous
PelPix: you can't punish dissociated murderers by putting them in jail.  If they don't care now, they won't care in 20 years
PelPix: All they care about is that they're in jail and of going back to jail
PelPix: and that's caring for the wrong reason.
Drilldrill: At least it shows care.
PelPix: For yourself
PelPix: Worthless.
PelPix: If you don't find anything wrong with killing other people and are only abstaining from doing so because you will go back to jail
PelPix: then that's just
PelPix: plain old fucked up
Drilldrill: I don't.
Drilldrill: I really don't.
Drilldrill: But there's also the good ol argument where
Drilldrill: I take away my right to kill so that you can't have the right to kill
Drilldrill: I remove my right to drive when I'm 2 years old
Drilldrill: because 30 years from now
Drilldrill: I don't want a 2 year oldbehind the wheel
Drilldrill: one shotting me on the road
PelPix: what
PelPix: If you don't find the act of kiling someone objectionable even if there were NO CONSEQUENCES AT ALL
PelPix: then YOU'RE a sociopath
Drilldrill: No there's a consequence
Drilldrill: that person could grow up
Drilldrill: and help society
Drilldrill: and create better worlds
PelPix: no no
PelPix: I mean
Drilldrill: if you just killed albert einstein when he was 5
Drilldrill: then fuck
Drilldrill: where would we be now
PelPix: No no no
PelPix: I mean
PelPix: you KNOW someone will have no effect on the world
PelPix: is it okay to kill them?
Drilldrill: oh you mean like a small african child starving who will be eaten by a vulture after birth soon
PelPix: If you say yes,
PelPix: No I mean
PelPix: A normal person
PelPix: that will also have no effect on the world
PelPix: A person that is not suffering
Drilldrill: But if they're normal they'll have an effect on the world.
PelPix: You're missing the point
Drilldrill: I probably am
PelPix: Say that there ARE no consequenecs
PelPix: to killing someone
PelPix: would you do it?
Drilldrill: Yep.
PelPix: Then you're a sociopath
Drilldrill: I don't wake up in the morning
Drilldrill: saying to myself that
Drilldrill: I'm gonna go kil l someone because nothing will go wrong
Drilldrill: though
PelPix: It doesn't matter
PelPix: The taking of life in any way is a bad thing no matter what
PelPix: regardless of literally any factor
PelPix: for no logical reason
PelPix: the fact that it is bad is a constant
Drilldrill: So you don't eat anything right?
PelPix: this is how it is for most people
Drilldrill: because everything you eat was life
Drilldrill: Plants were living they're dead and on your plate
Drilldrill: Animals were living
Drilldrill: they're dead and on your plate
PelPix: Don't take this further than I'm implying it
Drilldrill: Fine
PelPix: if you don't find the negativity of killing other people, with and without a logical base, an absolute constant
PelPix: you are a sociopath
Drilldrill: There is nothing wrong in killing another person if there is no consequence in it
PelPix: For most people, killing other people is just plain "bad."  Not for any reason.  Not because of any punishment
PelPix: There is literally no logic behind it
PelPix: it's just "bad"
Drilldrill: But see being just plain "bad" is retarded.
Drilldrill: There should be a reason as to why
PelPix: See, you don't even comprehend what I'm talking about
PelPix: you're a sociopath.
PelPix: If you weren't, what I'm saying would be second nature
PelPix: First nature, even
Drilldrill: but I feel bad for things
Drilldrill: I feel bad when I steal someone's lunch money and see them hungry until dinner
PelPix: but why?
Drilldrill: Because they don't get to eat which is a basic function humans need to survive
PelPix: But why do youi care about them?
Drilldrill: Because we are related by chemical composition
Drilldrill: I feel bad for things like me
Drilldrill: Because it might happen to me
PelPix: See
PelPix: the vast majority of people
PelPix: just feel bad just because
PelPix: no reason at all
PelPix: just because
PelPix: it just appears out of nowhere
Drilldrill: I don't understand how taht can happen
PelPix: It's a basic human function that you lack entirely, apparently
PelPix: Most people just
PelPix: feel bad.
PelPix: There is no reason.  No logic.  No chain of thought
PelPix: it's physically painful for them, even
PelPix: I would think you were just fucking for me if you didn't have the same opinion on women too
PelPix: You're clearly a sociopath
PelPix: For most people, when they see a hobo on the street, they are DRAWN to help them by an invisible force over their minds that they cannot see, percieve, control, or understand
PelPix: No thinking involved.
PelPix: Someone I knew from /a/ was running out of money, so I gave them all my christmas money.
PelPix: There was no logic behind it whatsoever
PelPix: it just happened
PelPix: about $600
Drilldrill: What the fuck
Drilldrill: When I see a hobo i give them money because if I were in the same spot I'd want help too.