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  1. [19:19] <IterationDrive> >tim is now talking to me about this
  2. [19:19] <IterationDrive> hoo boy
  3. [19:22] <IterationDrive> ffffffff
  4. [19:22] <IterationDrive> you don't tell tim I'm sharing this with you, but I need to vent
  5. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> Basically, Lovi has stubborned too far and Martius is pissed at her.
  6. [19:22] <IterationDrive> * IterationDrive nods
  7. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> ...And honestly Read agrees with me that this is kind of ridiculous.
  8. [19:22] <IterationDrive> * IterationDrive nods
  9. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> I see
  10. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> You see?
  11. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> Well, just sort of generally stating. Do you want me to talk to iki about it, or just see where it goes, or?
  12. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> wait, pause, rephrase
  13. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> are you both annoyed OOC or are you entertained OOC?
  14. [19:22] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> OOC I was fine at first, character drama is good, but looking back, I'm annoyed, because Iki confirmed OOC that Martius' logic is reasonable and Lovi doesn't care. I just don't see how we can be expected to be a party with Ikiryo never ever budging an inch.
  15. [19:42] <Kensuke02> sorry, I was out on a more-or-less forced walk with the girls...but I certainly don't mind you venting.
  16. [19:42] <Kensuke02> but the sheer pot-vs-kettle bit there at the end is just...flabbergasting
  17. [19:43] <IterationDrive> And here, have some more
  18. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> Hmm.
  19. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> So...talk to Iki. Promptly.
  20. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> The character is great when she's not being...well...a huge bitch who refuses to give ground ever.
  21. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
  22. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> I, uh, honestly don't see the issue here. Character drama is good, both sides had points, and lovi's character is basically defined by extreme stubbornness, so..
  23. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> Because this was a pretty simple request where Iki basically found a reason to go "no" and never budge ever, even when what he's saying is perfectly reasonable. She's a Hegran Infernal, not an Isidorosai. If she was sworn to the Black Boar, I'd understand, but Hegra?
  24. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> She's also got a whole lot of Malfean charms. Malfeas is a stubborn, childish, bipolar bastard.
  25. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> I also believe she has the Malfean mental PD. The permanent, always-on one that only applies against orders?
  26. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> Martius has, if you've noticed, been unusually polite to Loviatar even to the point of spoiling her because kings should be polite to witches and all the stories say so.
  27. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> Yes, but it seems like he was phrasing things as orders, right?
  28. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> He said please twice or thrice, minimum.
  29. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <IterationDrive> I'll have a talk to iki and see if we can't achieve something that keeps all my players happy
  30. [19:43] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> If her goal really is to gain power over people like she's mentioned before, she's doing a damned good job of failing at it, so please do.
  31. [19:43] <IterationDrive> I think a lot of htis is Read influencing Tim, quite honestly
  32. [19:43] <IterationDrive> and I Just
  33. [19:43] <IterationDrive> arhg
  34. [19:43] <Kensuke02> well
  35. [19:43] <Kensuke02> Tim's been a complainy bitch from day 1, remember
  36. [19:44] <Kensuke02> Read may be egging him on
  37. [19:44] <Kensuke02> but IMO that just means this happened now instead of slightly down the road
  38. [19:44] * IterationDrive nods
  39. [19:44] <Kensuke02> I mean, yes, Loviatar isn't exactly party material
  40. [19:45] <IterationDrive> one more line from tim...
  41. [19:45] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> I've even played up Marty's tiny crush on her to explain why he hasn't just BANISHED her for pursuing her agenda at the expense of his kingdom, and it avails naught.
  42. [19:45] * IterationDrive throws his hands in the air
  43. [19:45] <Kensuke02> as I said last night--maybe after you went to bed--this is the problem with a mixed-exaltation party
  44. [19:45] <IterationDrive> He's literally framing it into a 'do as I want OOC or the player's out of hte game'
  45. [19:45] <Kensuke02> oh yes
  46. [19:45] <IterationDrive> and I fucking HATE it when players do that shit
  47. [19:45] <Kensuke02> remember
  48. [19:45] <Kensuke02> that's what happened at the start
  49. [19:46] <Kensuke02> with Tim bitching about "I want to be roman conquerer general king and y'all won't let me lead my armies across the Rubicon"
  50. [19:46] <Kensuke02> so Iki DROPPED his character and made Lovi
  51. [19:46] * IterationDrive headdesk
  52. [19:46] <Kensuke02> *just to make Tim happy*
  53. [19:46] <Kensuke02> or, at least, to shut him up
  54. [19:46] <IterationDrive> I regret ever gaming with tim and read
  55. [19:48] <IterationDrive> ....
  56. [19:48] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> Heck, remember when I OOC agreed to change Martius' distinctive verbal tick (the royal We) because it annoyed Ikiryo? You remember that, right? I've been the mature one and made sacrifices every time for group cohesion.
  57. [19:48] <Kensuke02> Bull. Shit.
  58. [19:49] <Kensuke02> I'll be completely honest--part of why I had a hard time keeping interest in Tanner is because of how she (doesn't) fit in to a kingdom-builder. And Tim's whining was toxic enough that if we DIDN'T give him his kingdom-builder, as you were afraid (rightly), the game would have fallen apart from sheer frustration
  59. [19:51] <Kensuke02> But yeah. I can understand not wanting to deal with fights. But now that Tim's outright *lying*? Remind him how Iki *ditched a character completely*. For his sake.
  60. [19:51] <IterationDrive> seeing how he reacts to reminding him about iki entirely changing his character...
  61. [19:51] <IterationDrive> I did, yes
  62. [19:51] <Kensuke02> lol jinx
  63. [19:52] <IterationDrive> .....
  64. [19:52] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> I offered to do the same several times.
  65. [19:52] <IterationDrive> I... don't remember him doing so
  66. [19:52] <IterationDrive> do you?
  67. [19:53] * Kensuke02 sighs
  68. [19:53] <IterationDrive> iki cannot remember either
  69. [19:53] <Kensuke02> from what I remember
  70. [19:53] <Kensuke02> he bitched
  71. [19:53] <Kensuke02> a lot
  72. [19:53] <Kensuke02> and basically did the petulant "well fine I'll just make a something else and trudge along like a kid minus his candy bar"
  73. [19:54] <Kensuke02> *Iki* was the one who was actually gracious about it, in that "Oh, y'know, these two are pretty similar and I've got other ideas anyway so here, lemme shuffle [I forget her name] and I'll grab something else."
  74. [19:54] <Kensuke02> his egyptian-ish exalt, if you remember
  75. [19:54] <IterationDrive> I do, yes
  76. [19:54] <IterationDrive> Just as a heads up, I may stop running this game and do something else in it's place, without tim and read. You've got a slot in it.
  77. [19:54] <Kensuke02> meanwhile Tim was all "well fine if I can't be a king I'll just be a sulk"
  78. [19:54] <Kensuke02> alright boss
  79. [19:57] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> I would have found something, my best characters are all last-minute
  80. [19:57] <Kensuke02> and leading up to the last minute would have been the epicest of epic guilt trips
  81. [19:57] <Kensuke02> sometimes I think Tim is the jew, not Read
  82. [20:00] <IterationDrive> <Infinite_River_Tycoon> Talk to Iki, but do it ASAP and please keep me posted.
  83. [20:01] <Kensuke02> just...the sheer lack of self-awareness
  84. [20:01] <Kensuke02> and I like how he's basically TELLING you to make Iki play Loviatar the way Tim wants her played.
  85. [20:02] <Kensuke02> That's just *rude*
  86. [20:03] <IterationDrive> Yeah. And I'm not gonna stand for that.
  87. [20:03] <IterationDrive> So now I'm trying to think of a polite way to say 'yeah, no, fuck it, I'm done'
  88. [20:03] <Kensuke02> I'm tempted to tell you not to be polite
  89. [20:03] <Kensuke02> but that's *hard* to do, and not feel like a total ass afterward
  90. [20:04] <IterationDrive> I still have some games with tim and read in. And I try to not be a total ass to people I have to deal with semi-regularly.
  91. [20:04] <Kensuke02> yeah
  92. [20:22] <Kensuke02> well, for what it's worth, I'm sorry it came to this.
  93. [20:22] <IterationDrive> so am I.
  94. [20:43] <Kensuke02> tres diplomatic.
  95. [20:44] <IterationDrive> I try
  96. Session Close (IterationDrive): Sat Aug 30 08:18:11 2014 -0400
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