Mental clarity and evidence in a community of Trump

treefiddy
deep state intelligence officials are fabricating evidence that russia is trying to help trump win in november. sad.
18:30 infspire
pilgrimmm: Which city in Japan is under voluntary quarantine?
pilgrimmm
I forget, I heard something on CNA
18:31 infspire
Okay.
infspire
I can't find any corroborating evidence.
18:31 infspire
treefiddy: Did Russia interfere in the 2016 US election?
pilgrimmm
well I know there is also one in Korea
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pilgrimmm
Hillary did
pilgrimmm
so did Obama
pilgrimmm
2016 was a dirty tricks primer
pilgrimmm
but Trump won anyway
infspire
pilgrimmm: Did Russia interfere in the 2016 US election?
jayk
;o
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treefiddy
infspire: yep
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infspire
treefiddy: Okay.
infspire
treefiddy: On what basis do you think the US Intelligence Community is fabricating evidence?
treefiddy
infspire: Trump said so
infspire
Trump is not a valid source of knoweldge.
treefiddy
infspire: he's the head of the executive branch to which the ODNI reports
infspire
He has lied 16,241 times from his inauguration until 2020 Jan 21.
infspire
treefiddy: Agreed.
infspire
He's also a pernicious liar.
treefiddy
infspire: wrong word
infspire
Which word?
treefiddy
infspire: I think you mean pathological, not pernicious
infspire
Pathological also works.
infspire
I meant pernicious.
DoctorJ
Both words seem fine to me.
treefiddy
infspire: pernicious doesn't
infspire
It does.
infspire
pernicious: "having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way."
DoctorJ
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DoctorJ
Nothing gradual or subtle about it. Other than that, seems fine.
infspire
DoctorJ: Yes, I don't mean gradual or subtle.
treefiddy
Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure,it’s not your fault.
treefiddy
DoctorJ: that's exactly right
treefiddy
pernicious is a bad word
infspire
Donald Trump is probably the most frequent liar in the history of public officials in the American republic.
infspire
He lies so often that it is correct to assume everything he says is a lie until shown otherwise by independent, third-party sources.
infspire
That is, not only do I not consider him a valid source for anything, I assume the opposite of everything he claims.
treefiddy
infspire: that's stupid
DoctorJ
What would be more appropriate than 'pernicious'? Maybe 'relentless'
infspire
treefiddy: It is the correct conclusion applying Bayesian inference to him.
treefiddy
infspire: if he lied consistently he'd be reliable
treefiddy
no it's not
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infspire
treefiddy: He is a reliable liar.
treefiddy
if you were able to assume the opposite of what he said is true all the time, he would be reliable
infspire
You can count on almost everything he says being a lie.
treefiddy
as good as an honest person
treefiddy
he is not a reliable liar, that's the point
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infspire
treefiddy: He is reliable -- he is a reliable liar.
treefiddy
he is not a reliable liar, that's the point
treefiddy
he does not lie 100% of the time
DoctorJ
You can rely on the fact that he's lying. You can't rely on the lies themselves. An important distinction.
pilgrimmm
"You can keep your doctor"  was certainly truthful
infspire
He does not lie 100% of the time. 100% of the time is not the definition of reliable.
treefiddy
if he told the opposite of the truth all of the time, he would be as good as honest
treefiddy
it is
infspire
False.
treefiddy
think about it please
treefiddy
if someone says the opposite of the truth 100% of the time, and that fact is known, then the truth can be determined with 100% reliability
pilgrimmm
ritualreb problem is most maps are made in CHINA
infspire
That would follow, treefiddy.
pilgrimmm
and follow the Chinese dialectic
treefiddy
QED.
infspire
That is not my claim.
infspire
My claim is that he lies very often, as demonstrated by the record. You can have high confidence the next thing he says, before you hear it, is a lie, therefore. There are many ways to lie such that the opposite is not the truth.
infspire
Lie does not mean 'opposite of the truth'. It means 'not true'.
infspire
This is relevant when you have none binary variables.
treefiddy
<+infspire> That is, not only do I not consider him a valid source for anything, I assume the opposite of everything he claims.
treefiddy
your words
infspire
If truth, for example, is the correct valuable of a variable with a range in the interval [0, 1], then a lie is anything 'reasonably' far from the true parameter value.
pilgrimmm
look, I like Trump.  Bombast?  Yep,  braggart?  definitely,  but unlike the crop of morons we have had for the last oh  half century, he gets results
infspire
There's no notion of 'opposite' for such a variable, however.
treefiddy
what results?
pilgrimmm
my portfolio is doing fine
treefiddy
because of low interest rates and a republican tax cut plan
treefiddy
nothing to do with trump
treefiddy
next
infspire
treefiddy: For many of his claims, I already possess independent, third-party knowledge. Since he is an invalid source, his statements do not move my beliefs whatsoever on these topics.
pilgrimmm
raylay :)
DoctorJ
And here I was thinking that the idiot in the white house did no good for us at all. We can have this very sophisticated epistemological discussion thanks to his propensity for bullshit. MAGA!
pilgrimmm
Trump leads the Republican.  Like ot or not that is truth
infspire
treefiddy: For some of his claims, I have very little to no knowledge, e.g. the specific details the DNI relayed to Congress about Russia working in the 2020 election to re-elect Donald Trump.
treefiddy
infspire: ok
infspire
For these issues, I assume the truth is the opposite of what Donald Trump says.
infspire
That is, until I receive third-party, independent sources, at which point my beliefs move towards the weighted average of those sources.
pilgrimmm
Like I said, I like Trump. and, given the last choice,   it was no contest
infspire
Where the weighting function is a meta-learning task that iteratively attempts to estimate the reliability of each of those sources.
treefiddy
fair enough but the republican party should replace trump
infspire
Yes, they should.
treefiddy
he's a mess
DoctorJ
More? How much more corruption can we take from Barr?
pilgrimmm
<shrug>  personally I do not give a rats ass what your opinion is and DoctorJ is close to a -v again
infspire
As most senior GOP leaders stated in 2016, Trump was the end of the GOP.
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pilgrimmm
thats it
treefiddy
he's failed on immigration law reform, healthcare reform, inflated the national debt the unprecedented levels
infspire
I believe Paul Ryan and Lindsey Graham both stated that in 2016.
treefiddy
he's a RINO
infspire
treefiddy: I disagree he's a RINO.
treefiddy
only thing he's done is stack the benches and that's thanks to mitch mcconnell
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infspire
Trump is suffering from multiple, intense mental health disorders exacerbated by substantial stress and repeated drug use. All of that is combining so that he is expressing and performing the worst impulses of right-wing politiccs.
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infspire
Left-wing politics also has very destructive impulses that we've seen in Soviet and Chinese communism, for example.
infspire
The GOP needs to recognize somebody they value is out of control and then need to reign in their impulses back to normal right-wing politics that are compatible with American republicanism.
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pilgrimmm
I am glad you are a qualified doctor who has personally diagnosed Trump after a consult.  What> you are a TV Doctor who spreads crap?  ah
infspire
All evidence indicates they're not going to do this voluntarily, however.
infspire
pilgrimmm: Did Russia interfere in the 2016 US election?
laburd
infspire: your concern trolling is pretty uninspiring
pilgrimmm
hardly
infspire
Okay, thank you for sharing your position.
treefiddy
thousands of qualified psychiatrists have diagnosed trump is multiple personality disorders
infspire
Correct.
treefiddy
https://dangerouscase.org/
laburd
infspire: I hope for your sake you're getting some of those bloomberg bucks
infspire
Furthermore, many of those psychiatrists have stated there is more evidence upon which to diagnosis Trump than is typical in the typical one-on-one setting.
infspire
laburd: Bloomberg is an unethical moron.
infspire
Anybody who supports him is an enemy of the republic.
laburd
yet more evidence that psychiatry is a pseudo science
treefiddy
ritualreb happens routinely
laburd
it's malpractice to diagnose someone without sitting down with them as their doctor
treefiddy
ritualreb psychiatrists have more material from which to study donald trump than any of their patients
infspire
Correct.
treefiddy
ritualreb yes routinely there's a function for that within the CIA
infspire
laburd: I disagree.
infspire
There are multiple, competing goals within the field of psychiatry.
infspire
The traditional goals are intimate and deeply connected to patients' rights and privacy.
laburd
infspire: I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore. No offense buddy. Priv msg me if bloomberg needs more paid help
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treefiddy
ritualreb https://www.salon.com/2019/12/02/former-cia-profiler-jerrold-post-on-donald-trumps-dangerous-charisma/
infspire
Another critical goal of psychiatry is to present to the public and our governing bodies the most up-to-date scientific knowledge on the functioning of the minds of our leaders, especially when there is substantial evidence they're not well.
infspire
laburd: Goodbye.
treefiddy
Dr. Jerrold Post is the founding director of the CIA’s Center for the Analysis of Personality and Political Behavior. As the CIA’s head psychological profiler, he served under five American presidents of both political parties. Following his 21 years of service with the CIA, Post became a professor of psychiatry, political psychology and international affairs at George Washington University.
treefiddy
the CIA’s Center for the Analysis of Personality and Political Behavior submits profiles on world leaders such as Kim Jong Un to the president so they can be informed in their dealings with them
infspire
Again, there is more evidence upon which to diagnose Trump than there is for the standard diagnosis environment of a psychiatrist meeting with a patient for a few sessions.
treefiddy
they've never met these people yet have access to vast amounts of biographical material, third-party accounts, video and audio
treefiddy
that's plenty upon which to make a diagnosis
infspire
There are literally tens of thousand of hours of footage of Trump over long periods of time upon which one can establish a baseline through the 80s, 90s, 00s, the 2015/16 presidential run, and his presidency from 2017-2020.
treefiddy
far more information than one gets in an in-person session
treefiddy
sorry to burst your bubble
infspire
treefiddy: My initial perception of you seems wrong. :)
treefiddy
infspire: no shit
treefiddy
infspire: I was being sarcastic
treefiddy
must be
infspire
It is quite difficult to assess sarcasm on the internet without a baseline.
infspire
See, Poe's Law.
treefiddy
<+treefiddy> deep state intelligence officials are fabricating evidence that russia is trying to help trump win in november. sad.
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treefiddy
the leading sad should have given it away