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  1. #christiandebate: The joy of Easter, what it means to all of us,"God's new world has been unveiled in Jesus Chist" has made this a good day. Let us also thank the many pastors who dedicate their lives to bring us this message. Thank you. Thank you Chuckwagon
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  5. [15:09] <+Forest`> i'm not sure we need satire anymore. the real news is bad enough
  6. [15:09] <+THERetroGamerNY> The insults in it are scathingly hilarious.
  7. [15:10] <+DataLore> If Christianity claims that faith in Jesus is G-d's to give, and that we are condemned for not having faith in Jesus, how is the Christian version of G-d just?
  8. [15:10] Ignored DataLore, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE DataLore
  9. [15:11] <@BibleBot> John3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (KJV)
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  14. [15:12] <+mugz> DataLore there is the concept that there are those who believe in Him, but dont know that it's Him they believe in
  15. [15:12] <+Forest`> is typing, "G-d" when you aren't Jewish cultural appropriation?
  16. [15:12] <+Forest`> DataLore ok, then you are the best one to ask - is it? do you care if others do it?
  17. [15:13] <+asdfd> mugz: Is bearing false witness against your neighbors a virtue or a sin in Christianity?
  18. [15:13] <+Forest`> ok, thanks
  19. [15:13] <+mugz> asdfd it depends
  20. [15:13] <+mugz> blah asdfd is the troll
  21. [15:13] <+asdfd> mugz: When it is a virtue in Christianity to bear false witness against your neighbors?
  22. [15:14] <+asdfd> By troll do you mean 'asking you direct questions about the content of your faith and how that faith compares to your actions?'
  23. [15:14] <+mugz> DataLore um, its actually a very common belief - surprised you have not heard of it - even the RCC has a version
  24. [15:15] <+mugz> Point 847 of the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch, (page 224): "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in thier actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of the conscience - those too may acheive eternal salvation."
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  27. [15:15] <+Forest`> ah, the people for whom feelings are more important than facts
  28. [15:15] <+mugz> DataLore he has a fixed IP address of a well known troll
  29. [15:15] Ignored mugz, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE mugz
  30. [15:15] <+asdfd> mugz: You appear unwilling to discuss the contents of your faith in #christiandebate.
  31. [15:15] <+asdfd> Additionally, you have repeatedly expressed false witness against one of your neighbors.
  32. [15:15] <+asdfd> Which is a violation of the 10 Commandments.
  33. [15:16] <+asdfd> Which, according to Paul in Romans, remains relevant even after the sacrifice of Christ.
  34. [15:16] <+asdfd> I recommend you pray to Christ for forgiveness for your sin.
  35. [15:16] <+asdfd> Praying to Christ for forgiveness of your sin is going to be more relevant than worrying about the IP addresses of people online.
  36. [15:16] <+asdfd> According to Christ.
  37. [15:19] * DataLore gives dizzy_ a HUGE loving hug!!!
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  48. [15:35] <+barabbas`> DataLore;When did you become a Christian?
  49. [15:35] == Cannot send to channel: #atheism
  50. [15:35] <+Dzogzen> praise -o-, my dudes
  51. [15:36] <+Dzogzen> -o- loves each and every one of you
  52. [15:36] <+barabbas`> DataLore The Bible is pretty clear in Kings and again in Hebrews that a remnant of Israel has been sealed to an everlasting salvation.
  53. [15:36] <+barabbas`> DataLore They didn't convert at all. They did recognize Jesus as The Messiah, which is part of Jewish tradition.
  54. [15:37] <+CancelBot> All books are 3 characters. Check syntax and try again
  55. [15:37] <+CancelBot> kjv act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
  56. [15:37] == Thacker- [~32406lkja@104-185-33-123.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #christiandebate
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  59. [15:37] <+Thacker-> I see mugz is still fighting the good fight ;)
  60. [15:37] == Odd_ has changed nick to HempFandango
  61. [15:38] <+asdfd> Thacker-: I'd like to engage you, at least briefly.
  62. [15:38] <+Thacker-> asdfd, have at it.
  63. [15:38] <+asdfd> The topic will be Susan Rice and unmasking.
  64. [15:38] <+Thacker-> sure
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  67. [15:38] <+asdfd> Thacker-: About two weeks ago, you were passionate about your claim that the real scandal regarding Trump and Russian collusion was the unmasking of Americans in intelligence reports by Susan Rice
  68. [15:39] <+asdfd> I predicted the story was fake news, but I wanted to give you the full treatment by scientific epistemology
  69. [15:39] <+Thacker-> asdfd, correct
  70. [15:39] <+Thacker-> sure
  71. [15:39] <+asdfd> Thacker-: So, my question for you, today, is whether or not you heard that a bipartisan commission in the Senate cleared Susan Rice of any illegal activity or even violation of SOP in regards to the unmasking
  72. [15:40] <+Thacker-> asdfd, it wasn't, btw
  73. [15:40] <+Thacker-> DataLore, I'm your huckleberry
  74. [15:40] <+Thacker-> DataLore, you don't have to "believe in Jesus" to be saved
  75. [15:40] * mugz prefers not to go round in circles
  76. [15:40] <+asdfd> "it wasn't
  77. [15:40] * mugz is away... bbl (since: 03:38pm AMERICA/PHOENIX) [msglog:on] [page:on]
  78. [15:40] <+Thacker-> asdfd, no, she had the authorization to unmask
  79. [15:40] <+asdfd> Thacker-: Could I get you to use fewer pronouns?
  80. [15:40] <+Thacker-> that wasn't in question
  81. [15:40] <+ULF> hello
  82. [15:40] <+Thacker-> heh
  83. [15:40] <+Thacker-> DataLore, christain
  84. [15:40] <+Thacker-> ian
  85. [15:40] <+barabbas`> You do have to believe in Jesus to be saved if you are not of the remnant of Israel. For anyone else, salvation is through Jesus.
  86. [15:41] <+asdfd> Thacker-: Can I get you to focus on one conversation at a time
  87. [15:41] <+Thacker-> sane?
  88. [15:41] <+Thacker-> asdfd, sure...
  89. [15:41] <+asdfd> I can organize the conversation, if it will be helpful
  90. [15:41] <+asdfd> 1 - Are you aware of that bipartisan report?
  91. [15:41] <+asdfd> 2 - Now that you are aware, does it modify any of your statements in that previous conversation?
  92. [15:42] <+Thacker-> the issue wasn't that she had, in her office, the authority to unmask
  93. [15:42] <+YouCommiePinko> Thacker-: Ranking ops by sanity, where would you fit in?
  94. [15:42] <+Thacker-> YouCommiePinko, dude, I'm NOT an op :)
  95. [15:42] <+YouCommiePinko> Thacker-: I know, still asking.
  96. [15:42] <+Thacker-> YouCommiePinko, its not that simple
  97. [15:42] <+Thacker-> asdfd, no I wasn't
  98. [15:42] <+asdfd> 3 - Do you see what I am getting at?
  99. [15:42] <+asdfd> 4 - I am implying you participated in the dissemination of fake news with your previous passion on the Susan Rice unmasking story.
  100. [15:42] <+asdfd> Thacker-: You don't appear capable of having this conversation with the same precision as I am able
  101. [15:43] <+YouCommiePinko> Thacker-: What? 1 being most sane. X being least sane. Where would you fit in? Bonus if you have some names of those you are more sane than.
  102. [15:43] <+Thacker-> 2) no and 3) yes
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  105. [15:43] <+Thacker-> asdfd, not at all, Nunes stated he didn't see illegality in the unmasking
  106. [15:43] <+THERetroGamerNY> Well, since Hell isn't a "place", that argument doesn't hold up. And there are plenty of Christians who don't believe in Hell anyways.
  107. [15:43] <+Thacker-> asdfd, and I agreed, there wasn't, per the evidence I saw
  108. [15:43] <+asdfd> Thacker-: What were your primary theses several weeks ago when you were passionately telling us this was the real story?
  109. [15:44] <+YouCommiePinko> Thacker-: okay, really, just wondering if you are more sane or less sane than VP
  110. [15:44] <+Thacker-> asdfd, that is not the issue here
  111. [15:44] <+Thacker-> DataLore, umm, not orginized church, no
  112. [15:44] <+asdfd> Because it surprises me that a bipartisan committee clearing Susan Rice of any and all wrong doing isn't modifying your views
  113. [15:44] <+Thacker-> asdfd, the thrust of my statements were the usage of the Obama admin of Federal agencies for political weapons against his opponents
  114. [15:44] <+barabbas`> THERetroGamerNY That is both true and not true, depending on whether you believe a state of existence is a place or not.
  115. [15:44] <+Thacker-> asdfd, can you shoot me a link to this?
  116. [15:44] <+asdfd> Thacker-: Are you aware this bipartisan committee refutes the notion that Susan Rice's actions were politically motivated?
  117. [15:44] <+asdfd> That is, your thesis, as it relates to this example, is refuted?
  118. [15:44] <+Thacker-> asdfd, the link?
  119. [15:44] <+THERetroGamerNY> Yeah, we've discussed that before, barabbas` . agreed.
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  122. [15:45] <+asdfd> http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/susan-rice-did-nothing-wrong-say-both-dems-republicans-n747406
  123. [15:45] <+asdfd> I don't know if NBC is "fake news" these days
  124. [15:46] <+asdfd> I guess it would be when they have unfavorable stories, and not otherwise
  125. [15:46] <+barabbas`> THERetroGamerNY I see a state of existence as a place, ie I am in a good place in my life right now.
  126. [15:46] <+THERetroGamerNY> Agreed. Hell to me is certainly a state of existence.
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  128. [15:46] <+asdfd> When the New York Times asked Trump on April 5 if Rice broke the law, Trump said, "Do I think? Yes, I think."
  129. [15:46] <+asdfd> "I think it's going to be the biggest story," Trump added. "It's such an important story for our country and the world."
  130. [15:46] <+asdfd> But current and former U.S. intelligence officials have said that any unmasking request by Rice would have been made to the NSA director or the FBI director, who would have the final say. Both men are still in their jobs under President Trump.
  131. [15:46] <+asdfd> Current and former officials say it is routine, and not inappropriate, for the national security adviser to request the identities of Americans mentioned in intelligence reports.
  132. [15:46] * mugz is back... (gone for: 6m 29s)
  133. [15:46] <+barabbas`> Now thats an oxymoronic statement by Trump, I think ;)
  134. [15:47] <+Thacker-> A review of the surveillance material flagged by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes shows no inappropriate action by Susan Rice or any other Obama administration official, Republican and Democratic Congressional aides who have been briefed on the matter told NBC News.
  135. [15:47] <+asdfd> barabbas`: Every statement by him is oxymoronic.
  136. [15:47] <+Thacker-> asdfd, she HAD the authority to unmask.
  137. [15:47] <+asdfd> Thacker-: So, do you agree your thesis has been refuted?
  138. [15:47] <+asdfd> From a few weeks ago
  139. [15:47] <+asdfd> Specifically, "That Obama and aides used politically motivated attacks on Trump and his campaign"
  140. [15:47] <+asdfd> In so far, at least, as this specific example is concerned
  141. [15:47] <+asdfd> Which caused you to be passionate for at least a few days
  142. [15:48] <+asdfd> As you participated in the dissemination of fake news put out by Trump and allies
  143. [15:48] <+asdfd> 5 - Should we take anything you say in the future seriously, seeing as you've outed yourself as a post-truth partisan?
  144. [15:48] <+Thacker-> asdfd, I knew THEN that she had that authority
  145. [15:48] <+Thacker-> asdfd, that is still true
  146. [15:48] <+Thacker-> asdfd, of course
  147. [15:48] <+Thacker-> asdfd, not at all, clearly you didn't read my statements or understand the issue I was pointing out
  148. [15:48] <+barabbas`> asdfd Basically it was the alts, Alts being those members of the conservative party who are following the Alternative facts of the Kellyann Conway wing of the party. They deny the truth in favor of whatever the head of the doublethink guild, Donald Trump, tweets as fact. They appear to exist in an alternative reality where alternative facts rule the day. Trying to tie Rice into something
  149. [15:48] <+barabbas`> there were no ties to.
  150. [15:48] <+Thacker-> asdfd, do or don't, as you wish
  151. [15:48] <+Thacker-> LOL
  152. [15:49] <+asdfd> Thacker-: Can you tell me what part of your thesis from a few weeks ago remains relevant after this story I just shared?
  153. [15:49] <+Thacker-> asdfd, all of it
  154. [15:49] <+asdfd> 6 - Thacker- Would you say that you misunderstand fundamental tenets of debate?
  155. [15:49] <+asdfd> Thacker-: So you believe Obama and aides used politically motivated attacks on Trump and his campaign?
  156. [15:49] <+asdfd> And one example of that was Susan Rice's unmasking
  157. [15:49] <+asdfd> Which is why you talked about it for a few days
  158. [15:49] Ignored Thacker- , to unignore type: /UNIGNORE Thacker-
  159. [15:49] Ignored Thacker-, to unignore type: /UNIGNORE Thacker-
  160. [15:50] <+asdfd> Thacker-: I no longer have any use for you
  161. [15:50] <+asdfd> I believe I have, for the audience, established that you are a liar
  162. [15:50] <+asdfd> And that you see the rules of debates as things that don't apply to you
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