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  1. Calder Rooney
  2. Jan 30, 2019, 6:17 PM (20 hours ago)
  3. The specific issue of communicating with Paige aside, I think we would benefit from hashing out some stuff before continuing IC
  4.  
  5. Calder Rooney
  6. Jan 30, 2019, 6:19 PM (20 hours ago)
  7. And you might also find it helpful for me to lay out what Hazel's IC goals are, how those mesh with her player's OOC ones:
  8.  
  9. Calder Rooney
  10. Jan 30, 2019, 6:19 PM (20 hours ago)
  11. IC, Hazel wants to take her time in Wonderland and do everything right
  12.  
  13. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  14. Jan 30, 2019, 6:24 PM (20 hours ago)
  15. to Samuel
  16. She recognizes she's in a bad place in the waking world, and believes that fully realizing her mystic/metaphysical potential will better allow her to save her family, take down VV, and make everyone's lives better
  17.  
  18. Calder Rooney
  19. Jan 30, 2019, 6:25 PM (20 hours ago)
  20. She would rather spend weeks in a coma she emerges from as a true mage, than have woken up on Friday as a (mostly) ordinary mortal strapped to a bed
  21.  
  22. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  23. Jan 30, 2019, 6:27 PM (20 hours ago)
  24. to Samuel
  25. She is willing to cause her parents short-term (or even weeks-long) pain if it means she can better protect their family better, both against this immediate crisis and future crises
  26.  
  27. Calder Rooney
  28. Jan 30, 2019, 6:28 PM (20 hours ago)
  29. * family, both against
  30.  
  31. Calder Rooney
  32. Jan 30, 2019, 6:29 PM (20 hours ago)
  33. She is, as she's stated, a utilitarian who believes in achieving the overall greatest good
  34.  
  35. Calder Rooney
  36. Jan 30, 2019, 6:30 PM (20 hours ago)
  37. At this point, she is also inclined to shut down Paige with a "sorry, can't answer" so as not to potentially compromise her metaphysical growth
  38.  
  39. Calder Rooney
  40. Jan 30, 2019, 6:30 PM (20 hours ago)
  41. Maybe Eduard is full of BS, maybe she could still realize her full potential with more work/sacrifice
  42.  
  43. Calder Rooney
  44. Jan 30, 2019, 6:31 PM (20 hours ago)
  45. But she's not inclined to take chances, and has (also because of her autism) fairly black and white thinking besides
  46.  
  47. Calder Rooney
  48. Jan 30, 2019, 6:31 PM (20 hours ago)
  49. It's all in or all out
  50.  
  51. Calder Rooney
  52. Jan 30, 2019, 6:32 PM (20 hours ago)
  53. All of this is before her inherent drive to _know everything_ and pursue Ascension purely for its own sake
  54.  
  55. Calder Rooney
  56. Jan 30, 2019, 6:34 PM (20 hours ago)
  57. As far as she's concerned, her current wanderings through Wonderland are more important than anything else she has ever done
  58.  
  59. Calder Rooney
  60. Jan 30, 2019, 6:34 PM (20 hours ago)
  61. School, careers, none of that comes close
  62.  
  63. Calder Rooney
  64. Jan 30, 2019, 6:35 PM (20 hours ago)
  65. _Magic is real_ and she wants to fully master its secrets
  66.  
  67. Calder Rooney
  68. Jan 30, 2019, 6:35 PM (20 hours ago)
  69. It's the crux of who she is
  70.  
  71. Calder Rooney
  72. Jan 30, 2019, 6:37 PM (20 hours ago)
  73. Which only reinforces her belief that staying in Wonderland is the best thing she can do right now, for herself and her family
  74.  
  75. Calder Rooney
  76. Jan 30, 2019, 6:38 PM (20 hours ago)
  77. As a player, my goals have a fair amount of overlap with Hazel's
  78.  
  79. Calder Rooney
  80. Jan 30, 2019, 6:38 PM (20 hours ago)
  81. I do want her to get as much out of Wonderland as she can
  82.  
  83. Calder Rooney
  84. Jan 30, 2019, 6:39 PM (20 hours ago)
  85. Not just in Spheres, but broader knowledge
  86.  
  87. Calder Rooney
  88. Jan 30, 2019, 6:39 PM (20 hours ago)
  89. And she has learned a lot
  90.  
  91. Calder Rooney
  92. Jan 30, 2019, 6:41 PM (20 hours ago)
  93. I had her play all the menu options on the Dynatron, as the most direct examples of that "taking my time" approach
  94.  
  95. Calder Rooney
  96. Jan 30, 2019, 6:42 PM (20 hours ago)
  97. I'm also willing to shut down Paige/choose the metaphysical over the temporal towards that end
  98.  
  99. Calder Rooney
  100. Jan 30, 2019, 6:43 PM (20 hours ago)
  101. I do want Hazel to fully realize her potential as a mage
  102.  
  103. Calder Rooney
  104. Jan 30, 2019, 6:43 PM (20 hours ago)
  105. Though as a player, my motivations are obviously different than hers
  106.  
  107. Calder Rooney
  108. Jan 30, 2019, 6:44 PM (20 hours ago)
  109. Being a mage gives her a thousand and one ways to further influence the setting
  110.  
  111. Calder Rooney
  112. Jan 30, 2019, 6:45 PM (20 hours ago)
  113. Both through her direct powers (Spheres) and broader supernatural/metaphysical knowledge and awareness
  114.  
  115. Calder Rooney
  116. Jan 30, 2019, 6:45 PM (20 hours ago)
  117. All of which tie heavily into my RL plans for her--for example, did you know that Mackenzie committed the Sweeney murders?
  118.  
  119. Calder Rooney
  120. Jan 30, 2019, 6:46 PM (20 hours ago)
  121. Yeah, I didn't know that either
  122.  
  123. Calder Rooney
  124. Jan 30, 2019, 6:46 PM (20 hours ago)
  125. But BOY, isn't it neat how Life and Matter can falsify material evidence
  126.  
  127. Calder Rooney
  128. Jan 30, 2019, 6:47 PM (20 hours ago)
  129. Plant memories of things in people's heads that never happened
  130.  
  131. Calder Rooney
  132. Jan 30, 2019, 6:48 PM (20 hours ago)
  133. (Well, Mind there)
  134.  
  135. Calder Rooney
  136. Jan 30, 2019, 6:48 PM (20 hours ago)
  137. Cause people to engage in strange and suspicious behaviors
  138.  
  139. Calder Rooney
  140. Jan 30, 2019, 6:49 PM (20 hours ago)
  141. Alienate them from their loved ones and would-be defenders
  142.  
  143. Calder Rooney
  144. Jan 30, 2019, 6:49 PM (20 hours ago)
  145. Cause unfortunate events to happen that land them in deeper trouble
  146.  
  147. Calder Rooney
  148. Jan 30, 2019, 6:49 PM (20 hours ago)
  149. And so on
  150.  
  151. Calder Rooney
  152. Jan 30, 2019, 6:50 PM (20 hours ago)
  153. Obviously that plan presents challenges (framing Mackenzie is harder all these weeks later than it would've been on Friday), but that's only part of the fun
  154.  
  155. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  156. Jan 30, 2019, 6:52 PM (20 hours ago)
  157. to Samuel
  158. And I will be grinning like a demon on the day that a jury of Mackenzie's peers can find no reasonable doubt not to send her to prison for the Sweeney murders, if I manage to pull it off
  159.  
  160. Calder Rooney
  161. Jan 30, 2019, 6:53 PM (20 hours ago)
  162. (After all... SOMEONE needs to take the fall for them, and VV sure can't)
  163.  
  164. Calder Rooney
  165. Jan 30, 2019, 6:53 PM (20 hours ago)
  166. (Well, the public fall)
  167.  
  168. Calder Rooney
  169. Jan 30, 2019, 6:55 PM (20 hours ago)
  170. That's the sort of plot and ability to exercise greater agency that opens up to Hazel as a mage
  171.  
  172. Calder Rooney
  173. Jan 30, 2019, 6:57 PM (20 hours ago)
  174. And why I want her to return to the real world as one
  175.  
  176. Calder Rooney
  177. Jan 30, 2019, 7:06 PM (20 hours ago)
  178. Said ability to exercise agency is all the more important to me given that her current real-world circumstances have stripped her of so much
  179.  
  180. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  181. Jan 30, 2019, 7:08 PM (19 hours ago)
  182. to Samuel
  183. Waking up strapped to a bed and and the preceding conversation with Mackenzie were actively non-fun "not enjoying these at all" scenes for me, because my PC was seemingly impotent to do anything
  184.  
  185. Calder Rooney
  186. Jan 30, 2019, 7:09 PM (19 hours ago)
  187. (Or at least, anything that didn't just make things worse, like escaping through a window might have been)
  188.  
  189. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  190. Jan 30, 2019, 7:10 PM (19 hours ago)
  191. to Samuel
  192. This is a horror game and I am totally down for playing Jonathan Harker in Dracula's castle, walking on eggshells around a monster that's using me and brides that want to eat me
  193.  
  194. Calder Rooney
  195. Jan 30, 2019, 7:10 PM (19 hours ago)
  196. But the moment Drac ties me to a bed, locks the door and walks off, I'll stop having fun
  197.  
  198. Calder Rooney
  199. Jan 30, 2019, 7:13 PM (19 hours ago)
  200. (I also recognize GMs should play the world/NPCs logically in response to a PC's actions, and can be patient there--to a point)
  201.  
  202. Calder Rooney
  203. Jan 30, 2019, 7:13 PM (19 hours ago)
  204. So positive and negative, those are the reasons I want Hazel to complete Wonderland
  205.  
  206. Calder Rooney
  207. Jan 30, 2019, 7:15 PM (19 hours ago)
  208. But I am also eager to get back to the real world, for the reasons so mentioned
  209.  
  210. Calder Rooney
  211. Jan 30, 2019, 7:16 PM (19 hours ago)
  212. There's tons of awesome stuff happening there I have so many, many plans and ideas for
  213.  
  214. Calder Rooney
  215. Jan 30, 2019, 7:16 PM (19 hours ago)
  216. Not just Mackenzie frame-ups
  217.  
  218. Calder Rooney
  219. Jan 30, 2019, 7:17 PM (19 hours ago)
  220. Or "plot-forwarding" events
  221.  
  222. Calder Rooney
  223. Jan 30, 2019, 7:18 PM (19 hours ago)
  224. But also interactions with beloved N/PCs
  225.  
  226. Calder Rooney
  227. Jan 30, 2019, 7:18 PM (19 hours ago)
  228. I'd love to meet Brook again, share the details of the thing in the pass (with some caveats...) and look over his necklace
  229.  
  230. Calder Rooney
  231. Jan 30, 2019, 7:19 PM (19 hours ago)
  232. I'd love to watch the Spook-tape of Kurt and get drawn into plots with WHO
  233.  
  234. Calder Rooney
  235. Jan 30, 2019, 7:19 PM (19 hours ago)
  236. (Whose agents are some of the people I suspect of sending Hazel those "do not use color" notes)
  237.  
  238. Calder Rooney
  239. Jan 30, 2019, 7:20 PM (19 hours ago)
  240. (And boy, does she have ways to track the senders down as a mage)
  241.  
  242. Calder Rooney
  243. Jan 30, 2019, 7:20 PM (19 hours ago)
  244. I'd love to meet the members of her family who haven't gotten any direct screentime
  245.  
  246. Calder Rooney
  247. Jan 30, 2019, 7:20 PM (19 hours ago)
  248. Gramps, Winnie, Lottie, cousins
  249.  
  250. Calder Rooney
  251. Jan 30, 2019, 7:20 PM (19 hours ago)
  252. I've got tons of stuff I'd love to do with her parents, most of all
  253.  
  254. Calder Rooney
  255. Jan 30, 2019, 7:21 PM (19 hours ago)
  256. Hazel wants to have a long and frank talk with them about their unresolved feelings for one another
  257.  
  258. Calder Rooney
  259. Jan 30, 2019, 7:22 PM (19 hours ago)
  260. (There's no time like being hospitalized to win arguments with your family)
  261.  
  262. Calder Rooney
  263. Jan 30, 2019, 7:22 PM (19 hours ago)
  264. She wants to ask them, and fairly directly, why they got divorced
  265.  
  266. Calder Rooney
  267. Jan 30, 2019, 7:23 PM (19 hours ago)
  268. "Mom, Dad. I'm old enough to know. I almost died. I don't want to go to my grave not knowing why the two people I love most can't stand to be together."
  269.  
  270. Calder Rooney
  271. Jan 30, 2019, 7:23 PM (19 hours ago)
  272. She wants to change her last name to Calloway-Bauman, as I mentioned to you earlier
  273.  
  274. Calder Rooney
  275. Jan 30, 2019, 7:24 PM (19 hours ago)
  276. She wants to talk to her mom about her first dad
  277.  
  278. Calder Rooney
  279. Jan 30, 2019, 7:24 PM (19 hours ago)
  280. She still wants to pursue the big Nostrum case (thanks, Analepsis)
  281.  
  282. Calder Rooney
  283. Jan 30, 2019, 7:24 PM (19 hours ago)
  284. And so much else
  285.  
  286. Calder Rooney
  287. Jan 30, 2019, 7:24 PM (19 hours ago)
  288. A lot of these ideas have been racketing around in my brain for two OOC years
  289.  
  290. Calder Rooney
  291. Jan 30, 2019, 7:25 PM (19 hours ago)
  292. I've got a word doc filled up with dialogue ready for Hazel to spring
  293.  
  294. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  295. Jan 30, 2019, 7:26 PM (19 hours ago)
  296. to Samuel
  297. Wonderland has been awesome, truly it has. Tons of foreshadowing, occult symbolism, backstory fleshing-out, it's been everything a mage's journey into the mind should be
  298.  
  299. Calder Rooney
  300. Jan 30, 2019, 7:27 PM (19 hours ago)
  301. You've done an excellent job making it simultaneously deeply inundated within the occult/supernatural and deeply personal
  302.  
  303. Calder Rooney
  304. Jan 30, 2019, 7:29 PM (19 hours ago)
  305. We've spent 176 pages of logs there, and I think its wonders have been superlatively conveyed
  306.  
  307. Calder Rooney
  308. Jan 30, 2019, 7:29 PM (19 hours ago)
  309. As a player, but also as a reader, I am ready to move on to other areas of the setting
  310.  
  311. Calder Rooney
  312. Jan 30, 2019, 7:31 PM (19 hours ago)
  313. I don't ask that it be right this minute, or tonight
  314.  
  315. Calder Rooney
  316. Jan 30, 2019, 7:32 PM (19 hours ago)
  317. But I would like it to be soon--and I have concerns that at the current OOC rate of play, it may not be soon
  318.  
  319. Calder Rooney
  320. Jan 30, 2019, 7:32 PM (19 hours ago)
  321. Would you say we're 50% done with Wonderland? 75%? 90%?
  322.  
  323. Calder Rooney
  324. Jan 30, 2019, 7:33 PM (19 hours ago)
  325. And bearing in mind how we've spent roughly four OOC months, excluding hiatuses, to get to the current point
  326.  
  327. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  328. Jan 30, 2019, 7:34 PM (19 hours ago)
  329. to Samuel
  330. I recognize my preferences don't make things convenient for you in that regard, since if I just wanted Hazel to wake up (rather than wake up as a full mage), that would be easier for you to arrange
  331.  
  332. Calder Rooney
  333. Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 PM (19 hours ago)
  334. And you don't want to trivialize the gravity of Wonderland's wonders down to just rolls and summaries
  335.  
  336. Calder Rooney
  337. Jan 30, 2019, 7:39 PM (19 hours ago)
  338. I have some thoughts on potential solutions there--I've also been in the spot of "GM who wants to do scenes proper justice/player who wants to get through those
  339.  
  340. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  341. Jan 30, 2019, 7:41 PM (19 hours ago)
  342. to Samuel
  343. But since you are the GM here, I'd ask your thoughts first--how can we, essentially, have Hazel return to the real world as a real mage at a faster OOC rate of play?
  344.  
  345. Calder Rooney
  346. Jan 30, 2019, 7:41 PM (19 hours ago)
  347. (All done, too. Your ball)
  348.  
  349. Samuel Peer
  350. Jan 30, 2019, 7:58 PM (19 hours ago)
  351. Thanks for all the above.
  352.  
  353. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  354. Jan 30, 2019, 7:59 PM (19 hours ago)
  355. to me
  356. WF is among other things arguably first and foremost a game of mysteries and secrets, and the story of what people pay to obtain them, both intended and unintended.
  357.  
  358. Samuel Peer
  359. Jan 30, 2019, 8:00 PM (19 hours ago)
  360. So ultimately, answering some of those questions above are antithetical to the whole game.
  361.  
  362. Calder Rooney
  363. Jan 30, 2019, 8:00 PM (19 hours ago)
  364. And just to once again clarify--I'm totally okay with Hazel paying for becoming a full mage with weeks away (or more) from the real world
  365.  
  366. Calder Rooney
  367. Jan 30, 2019, 8:01 PM (19 hours ago)
  368. I'd just prefer that price not be paid so heavily on the OOC side too
  369.  
  370. Samuel Peer
  371. Jan 30, 2019, 8:02 PM (19 hours ago)
  372. How heavy that price will be upon all of the above IC/OOC goals/desires/drives is not yet known to Hazel (or her player).
  373.  
  374. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  375. Jan 30, 2019, 8:03 PM (19 hours ago)
  376. to me
  377. And as stated at the outset of the game, WF does not include players picking supernatural-ity like most other WoD games. There's no guarantee of a PC being a mage, vamp, psionic FBI agent, werewolf, etc.
  378.  
  379. Samuel Peer
  380. Jan 30, 2019, 8:04 PM (19 hours ago)
  381. So I cannot even promise Hazel gets to be a "full mage" at any point in the game.
  382.  
  383. Samuel Peer
  384. Jan 30, 2019, 8:04 PM (19 hours ago)
  385. Not saying she can't/won't either
  386.  
  387. Calder Rooney
  388. Jan 30, 2019, 8:04 PM (19 hours ago)
  389. Right, maybe she'll botch something important coming up and lose her powers
  390.  
  391. Calder Rooney
  392. Jan 30, 2019, 8:04 PM (19 hours ago)
  393. (Though I hope she won't)
  394.  
  395. Samuel Peer
  396. Jan 30, 2019, 8:04 PM (19 hours ago)
  397. Understood.
  398.  
  399. Calder Rooney
  400. Jan 30, 2019, 8:05 PM (19 hours ago)
  401. Totally groovy with all of those IC (and OOC) things you've mentioned
  402.  
  403. Calder Rooney
  404. Jan 30, 2019, 8:05 PM (19 hours ago)
  405. I just want to expedite their RL pace
  406.  
  407. Samuel Peer
  408. Jan 30, 2019, 8:05 PM (19 hours ago)
  409. Just as David wants/hopes Brook becomes a werewolf of a certain kind.
  410.  
  411. Calder Rooney
  412. Jan 30, 2019, 8:06 PM (19 hours ago)
  413. Wendigo would be my first pick for him, but I can see Fianna too
  414.  
  415. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  416. Jan 30, 2019, 8:08 PM (18 hours ago)
  417. to me
  418. So I'd recommend you play Hazel as you wish and think fitting for her persona. She believes Paige is contacting her, she recognizes some danger of engaging with her in regards to Hazel's metaphysical ascension/metamorphosis, though that danger is vague and fraught with uncertainties. She also recognizes that Paige seems to be a sole timely link to her family/body/life in WF, and that disregarding that message poses some danger as to what might happen to her body/family/life in WF, though that danger is also vague and fraught with uncertainties.
  419.  
  420. Calder Rooney
  421. Jan 30, 2019, 8:10 PM (18 hours ago)
  422. Yep. I'll make that choice as feels appropriate for Hazel rather than me. But hopefully it's also understandable I'd like to talk about these related issues OOC
  423.  
  424. Samuel Peer
  425. Jan 30, 2019, 8:10 PM (18 hours ago)
  426. Totally understandable.
  427.  
  428. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  429. Jan 30, 2019, 8:11 PM (18 hours ago)
  430. to Samuel
  431. I am totally groovy if Hazel turns to be completely wrong in her belief that taking extra time to develop her mage powers will be in her family's overall best interests
  432.  
  433. Calder Rooney
  434. Jan 30, 2019, 8:11 PM (18 hours ago)
  435. So to perhaps rephrase my last and most germane query:
  436.  
  437. Calder Rooney
  438. Jan 30, 2019, 8:12 PM (18 hours ago)
  439. How can we expedite the OOC time pace of Hazel's IC attempted actions, irrespective of how those actions ultimately turn out?
  440.  
  441. Calder Rooney
  442. Jan 30, 2019, 8:13 PM (18 hours ago)
  443. Bearing in mind that I want to attempt to have Hazel "finish" Wonderland, how can we do that at a faster RL pace than we have been?
  444.  
  445. Samuel Peer
  446. Jan 30, 2019, 8:14 PM (18 hours ago)
  447. "Finishing Wonderland" may in and of itself be a misnomer.
  448.  
  449. Calder Rooney
  450. Jan 30, 2019, 8:15 PM (18 hours ago)
  451. "Complete as much as I can before circumstance, if any, awakens Hazel prematurely"
  452.  
  453. Samuel Peer
  454. Jan 30, 2019, 8:15 PM (18 hours ago)
  455. Perhaps akin to, though not exactly the same as, a player asking "I'd like hurry up and complete Golconda so I can get back to social politics with the Prince".
  456.  
  457. Calder Rooney
  458. Jan 30, 2019, 8:16 PM (18 hours ago)
  459. * prince
  460.  
  461. Calder Rooney
  462. Jan 30, 2019, 8:16 PM (18 hours ago)
  463. So, to perhaps again clarify my OOC goals
  464.  
  465. Calder Rooney
  466. Jan 30, 2019, 8:16 PM (18 hours ago)
  467. I don't expect Hazel to attain Ascension or become an archmage here
  468.  
  469. Calder Rooney
  470. Jan 30, 2019, 8:16 PM (18 hours ago)
  471. Or, for that matter, want her to
  472.  
  473. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  474. Jan 30, 2019, 8:17 PM (18 hours ago)
  475. to Samuel
  476. I would simply like her to develop her powers to the point that she can access them again in the real world, so that I can frame Mackenzie for the Sweeney murders (and other fun details)
  477.  
  478. Samuel Peer
  479. Jan 30, 2019, 8:17 PM (18 hours ago)
  480. Yep, and I'm 100% not promising that, for all of the key reasons above.
  481.  
  482. Samuel Peer
  483. Jan 30, 2019, 8:18 PM (18 hours ago)
  484. So since I'm not/can't promise that, I can't also talk about how to make that non-promised objective happen sooner.
  485.  
  486. Calder Rooney
  487. Jan 30, 2019, 8:18 PM (18 hours ago)
  488. And that's okay. I'm simply asking, how can we expedite the OOC at rate at which I ATTEMPT to achieve that goal?
  489.  
  490. Calder Rooney
  491. Jan 30, 2019, 8:18 PM (18 hours ago)
  492. Not IC sooner, OOC sooner
  493.  
  494. Samuel Peer
  495. Jan 30, 2019, 8:19 PM (18 hours ago)
  496. Sorry, that's still an inappropriate question or seems to miss the mark of the game's spirit.
  497.  
  498. Samuel Peer
  499. Jan 30, 2019, 8:19 PM (18 hours ago)
  500. For example, if David said, "I'm simply asking, how can we expedite the OOC rate at which he ATTEMPTS to achieve his goal of becoming a werewolf"
  501.  
  502. Samuel Peer
  503. Jan 30, 2019, 8:20 PM (18 hours ago)
  504. If someone says, "Hey, I'd really like have another scene with Cliff"
  505.  
  506. Calder Rooney
  507. Jan 30, 2019, 8:20 PM (18 hours ago)
  508. I would tell David "magic 8 ball says reply hazy, ask again"
  509.  
  510. Calder Rooney
  511. Jan 30, 2019, 8:20 PM (18 hours ago)
  512. Actually, David is a really good example
  513.  
  514. Samuel Peer
  515. Jan 30, 2019, 8:20 PM (18 hours ago)
  516. That's very fine OOC to ask and for me as the GM to answer OOC
  517.  
  518. Calder Rooney
  519. Jan 30, 2019, 8:21 PM (18 hours ago)
  520. Let me try to frame a similar question again from his perspective:
  521.  
  522. Samuel Peer
  523. Jan 30, 2019, 8:21 PM (18 hours ago)
  524. Go for it.
  525.  
  526. Calder Rooney
  527. Jan 30, 2019, 8:21 PM (18 hours ago)
  528. "How can I become a werewolf faster?" is wrong
  529.  
  530. Samuel Peer
  531. Jan 30, 2019, 8:21 PM (18 hours ago)
  532. Very much so
  533.  
  534. Calder Rooney
  535. Jan 30, 2019, 8:21 PM (18 hours ago)
  536. But let's suppose that David believes completing the tribal elders' missions will turn him into a werewolf
  537.  
  538. Calder Rooney
  539. Jan 30, 2019, 8:22 PM (18 hours ago)
  540. He might be totally mistaken this belief, or he might be on the money
  541.  
  542. Calder Rooney
  543. Jan 30, 2019, 8:22 PM (18 hours ago)
  544. GM can't and won't tell him
  545.  
  546. Samuel Peer
  547. Jan 30, 2019, 8:22 PM (18 hours ago)
  548. Either way, I'm not going to clarify that for him.
  549.  
  550. Calder Rooney
  551. Jan 30, 2019, 8:22 PM (18 hours ago)
  552. Suppose that it takes eight RL months to play out the first of those missions
  553.  
  554. Calder Rooney
  555. Jan 30, 2019, 8:22 PM (18 hours ago)
  556. And David would like to get through them faster
  557.  
  558. Calder Rooney
  559. Jan 30, 2019, 8:23 PM (18 hours ago)
  560. So he asks the GM, "How can we play out these elder missions at a faster OOC rate?"
  561.  
  562. Samuel Peer
  563. Jan 30, 2019, 8:23 PM (18 hours ago)
  564. Yep, but that isn't what you've done.
  565.  
  566. Samuel Peer
  567. Jan 30, 2019, 8:23 PM (18 hours ago)
  568. You've specifically tied "finishing Wonderland" and being a "full mage"
  569.  
  570. Calder Rooney
  571. Jan 30, 2019, 8:23 PM (18 hours ago)
  572. Okay, then I've miscommunicated my intentions
  573.  
  574. Samuel Peer
  575. Jan 30, 2019, 8:24 PM (18 hours ago)
  576. Which is like David saying "finish missions for elders" and "do first change" as fast as possible OOC/IC
  577.  
  578. Samuel Peer
  579. Jan 30, 2019, 8:24 PM (18 hours ago)
  580. Do you see the problem with your question?
  581.  
  582. Calder Rooney
  583. Jan 30, 2019, 8:24 PM (18 hours ago)
  584. Totally. It makes IC assumptions and presupposes answers that aren't available to the player
  585.  
  586. Samuel Peer
  587. Jan 30, 2019, 8:25 PM (18 hours ago)
  588. I'm fine if the problem was an error, but I do want to make sure that error is clear now.
  589.  
  590. Samuel Peer
  591. Jan 30, 2019, 8:25 PM (18 hours ago)
  592. Yep
  593.  
  594. Calder Rooney
  595. Jan 30, 2019, 8:25 PM (18 hours ago)
  596. Maybe the present sojourn won't result in Hazel becoming a full mage
  597.  
  598. Samuel Peer
  599. Jan 30, 2019, 8:25 PM (18 hours ago)
  600. And honestly, like if we were playing a standard "Mage game" or something, then it could be a totally fine question.
  601.  
  602. Calder Rooney
  603. Jan 30, 2019, 8:26 PM (18 hours ago)
  604. Not necessarily. I wouldn't have told David "how can we have Amelie get Embraced faster?" if he asked that
  605.  
  606. Calder Rooney
  607. Jan 30, 2019, 8:26 PM (18 hours ago)
  608. But regardless
  609.  
  610. Samuel Peer
  611. Jan 30, 2019, 8:26 PM (18 hours ago)
  612. Like I said, "could be"
  613.  
  614. Calder Rooney
  615. Jan 30, 2019, 8:26 PM (18 hours ago)
  616. I would like to know, how can _progress_ through the current Wonderland sojourn (however it ends, and whatever IC consequences it has) at a faster OOC rate?
  617.  
  618. Calder Rooney
  619. Jan 30, 2019, 8:27 PM (18 hours ago)
  620. Ie, "How can we play through these tribal elder missions faster?"
  621.  
  622. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  623. Jan 30, 2019, 8:28 PM (18 hours ago)
  624. to me
  625. So I want to make a key point here. "Progress" is pretty laden with IC/OOC notions. See earlier comment about "IC assumptions and presupposes answers that aren't available to the player".
  626.  
  627. Samuel Peer
  628. Jan 30, 2019, 8:29 PM (18 hours ago)
  629. Versus something more clear and less laden like "I'd like to end Wonderland scenes OOC asap and get back to playing in WF"
  630.  
  631. Calder Rooney
  632. Jan 30, 2019, 8:29 PM (18 hours ago)
  633. I use "progress" because ending Wonderland scenes ASAP isn't what I want to do, at all
  634.  
  635. Calder Rooney
  636. Jan 30, 2019, 8:30 PM (18 hours ago)
  637. But to make another effort at rephrasing (though I think you can guess the general intent behind my words):
  638.  
  639. Samuel Peer
  640. Jan 30, 2019, 8:32 PM (18 hours ago)
  641. The intent (which might be incorrectly guessed) still seems like David asking how to "finish missions for elders" and "do first change" as fast as possible OOC.
  642.  
  643. Calder Rooney
  644. Jan 30, 2019, 8:33 PM (18 hours ago)
  645. I would like to know, how can Hazel attempt to make further progress along her metaphysical journey in Wonderland (however it goes or ends, and whatever IC cons
  646.  
  647. Samuel Peer
  648. Jan 30, 2019, 8:35 PM (18 hours ago)
  649. So try to use another word besides "progress" and I think you might better see the problem there.
  650.  
  651. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  652. Jan 30, 2019, 8:35 PM (18 hours ago)
  653. to me
  654. As it sounds like "I'd like to level up faster, how can we do that faster OOC?" or alternatively, "I'd like to learn more secrets about WF faster, how do we do that faster OOC?"
  655.  
  656. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  657. Jan 30, 2019, 8:40 PM (18 hours ago)
  658. to me
  659. WF is about secrets and mysteries. If we play in "Wonderland" it remains that way. Any metaphysical progress is one involving learning secrets and unraveling mysteries. I'm not going to fast-forward through any of that with simply rolls. As the game revolves around the player and PC learning those secrets nominally at the same time. Same exact principle with learning secrets and mysteries (and their prices) with any play/scenes back in non-Wonderland. Players choose (in part) which mysteries they most want to explore.
  660.  
  661. Samuel Peer
  662. Jan 30, 2019, 8:41 PM (18 hours ago)
  663. For example, David prioritizing finding out what happened to Danny over the ticket stub or Joe's letter, etc.
  664.  
  665. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  666. Jan 30, 2019, 8:45 PM (18 hours ago)
  667. to Samuel
  668. Sam, I feel like the semantics of my language are being addressed rather than my concerns. Perhaps that language was poorly chosen and contrary to the theme/tone you desire for the game. I am a Lawful player and want to abide by what your vision is for the game, 100%. If you want to track Hazel's damage and Health to foster even greater mystery and uncertainty, I am on board. The game is about uncovering secrets and forbidden knowledge IC, and you want that atmosphere to extend OOC as well (just as I largely do in my own game). I am in your corner there, and if my questions haven't given the appearance of being so, then I want to get back in your corner
  669.  
  670. Calder Rooney
  671. Jan 30, 2019, 8:46 PM (18 hours ago)
  672. My original OOC concerns that I would still like to resolve are thus:
  673.  
  674. Samuel Peer
  675. Jan 30, 2019, 8:48 PM (18 hours ago)
  676. The game is about uncovering secrets and forbidden knowledge IC and OOC (and the consequences of choosing one mystery over another, both IC and OOC).
  677.  
  678. Samuel Peer
  679. Jan 30, 2019, 8:49 PM (18 hours ago)
  680. For example, you mentioned that Hazel wants to know why her parents divorced. If I'm doing WF right, the players want to know that too.
  681.  
  682. Calder Rooney
  683. Jan 30, 2019, 8:49 PM (18 hours ago)
  684. Sam... please listen to me
  685.  
  686. Samuel Peer
  687. Jan 30, 2019, 8:49 PM (18 hours ago)
  688. I am, I promise.
  689.  
  690. Calder Rooney
  691. Jan 30, 2019, 8:49 PM (18 hours ago)
  692. Something is interfering with my fun
  693.  
  694. Calder Rooney
  695. Jan 30, 2019, 8:50 PM (18 hours ago)
  696. I want to fix it, and I want to do in such a way that abides by your vision for the game (IC and OOC)
  697.  
  698. Calder Rooney
  699. Jan 30, 2019, 8:50 PM (18 hours ago)
  700. * do so in such a way
  701.  
  702. Samuel Peer
  703. Jan 30, 2019, 8:50 PM (18 hours ago)
  704. (and what I hope is in the mutually agreed upon collaborative vision for the game)
  705.  
  706. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  707. Jan 30, 2019, 8:53 PM (18 hours ago)
  708. to me
  709. I should point out too that I've certainly been trying to listen (I mean, we've been conversing for 2+ hours on this subject). I definitely feel like neither of us is fully understanding the other. But I do think both of us are trying to do so.
  710.  
  711. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  712. Jan 30, 2019, 8:54 PM (18 hours ago)
  713. to Samuel
  714. It has taken a long OOC time to accomplish what I will simply term "my current goals." I will trust you both to intuit what those are goals are, based upon my above expressed interests, and to provide an answer that you believe will satisfy me without compromising the atmosphere so vital to making WF what it is.
  715.  
  716. What can we do to enable me to accomplish my goals at a faster OOC pace?
  717.  
  718. Samuel Peer
  719. Jan 30, 2019, 8:55 PM (18 hours ago)
  720. Okay, so I really think I've answered that several times already. But I will try to do so again, or better, or via another way.
  721.  
  722. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  723. Jan 30, 2019, 8:56 PM (18 hours ago)
  724. to Samuel
  725. Or, in fact, to use a previous example: how could we have condensed the past four months of Wonderland down to fewer months, and applied that OOC lesson to Wonderland going forward?
  726.  
  727. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  728. Jan 30, 2019, 9:05 PM (18 hours ago)
  729. to me
  730. WF is about players and PCs choosing which mysteries they pursue–and very relatedly the opportunity costs of choosing one over the other. Choosing to pursue "Wonderland" mysteries means not being able to pursue "non-Wonderland" mysteries (to be really crude in their distinction, which is potentially false in many circumstances). I'm not going to rush either. So if you as the player has had fun with Wonderland, but are now are hankering for some more non-Wonderland mystery exploration, then we can OOC and IC make that happen. I'm not offended if a player chooses one mystery over another to pursue. For example, I don't have any bias toward David choosing to follow up on the creature in the pass versus the fortune cookie. I really enjoy seeing the players make that choice and helping them along that way–and if there is no tension IC/OOC, then I'm not doing WF right in my opinion. So if David was doing a lengthy exploration about Rockwell and the creature (or maybe tribal elder missions) and David then wanted to rush through it OOC so he could get to the cookie mystery, I would tell him to have Brook drop or pause the Rockwell investigation and go to the cookie one. And if he wanted to do that, I would help him as the GM.
  731.  
  732. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  733. Jan 30, 2019, 9:05 PM (18 hours ago)
  734. to me
  735. *Choosing to pursue "Wonderland" mysteries means not being able to pursue "non-Wonderland" mysteries AT THE SAME RELATIVE TIME (to be really crude in their distinction, which is potentially false in many circumstances).
  736.  
  737. Samuel Peer
  738. Jan 30, 2019, 9:06 PM (18 hours ago)
  739. Minor but salient clarification.
  740.  
  741. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  742. Jan 30, 2019, 9:08 PM (17 hours ago)
  743. to Samuel
  744. That is all fair. There are OOC as well as IC opportunity costs to goals a PC pursues. If Brook pursues Rockwell's Fall for the next few months, he might not have time to look into things like what happened to Moses. It's ultimately impossible to explore every corner of the game world at once
  745.  
  746. Samuel Peer
  747. Jan 30, 2019, 9:08 PM (17 hours ago)
  748. Yep
  749.  
  750. Calder Rooney
  751. Jan 30, 2019, 9:08 PM (17 hours ago)
  752. A different, but related point I would raise is this:
  753.  
  754. Calder Rooney
  755. Jan 30, 2019, 9:08 PM (17 hours ago)
  756. Consider that Brook has spent several OOC days talking to Whitney
  757.  
  758. Calder Rooney
  759. Jan 30, 2019, 9:09 PM (17 hours ago)
  760. If the two of you were playing around a tabletop, the conversation would have likely been resolved in less than an hour of RL time
  761.  
  762. Calder Rooney
  763. Jan 30, 2019, 9:10 PM (17 hours ago)
  764. Tabletop is an inherently faster medium than Hangouts
  765.  
  766. Calder Rooney
  767. Jan 30, 2019, 9:10 PM (17 hours ago)
  768. And I think that is a significant advantage it enjoys, however much I might prefer the written over the spoken word as a medium
  769.  
  770. Calder Rooney
  771. Jan 30, 2019, 9:13 PM (17 hours ago)
  772. That faster rate of play is something I am endeavoring to bring into B&B (through a variety of ways), as I believe brisk OOC pacing is good for the game
  773.  
  774. Calder Rooney
  775. Jan 30, 2019, 9:15 PM (17 hours ago)
  776. If I can turn a scene that took two OOC weeks to play out into one OOC week, I will consider that a win
  777.  
  778. Calder Rooney
  779. Jan 30, 2019, 9:16 PM (17 hours ago)
  780. Getting through more IC scenes in the same amount of OOC time is a good thing for any game
  781.  
  782. Samuel Peer
  783. Jan 30, 2019, 9:17 PM (17 hours ago)
  784. Okay, in the interests of trying to speed up this conversation OOC, so we can get back to things both OOG and IG/IC, I'd propose a few options, including:
  785.  
  786. Calder Rooney
  787. Jan 30, 2019, 9:17 PM (17 hours ago)
  788. I was actually almost finished
  789.  
  790. Calder Rooney
  791. Jan 30, 2019, 9:18 PM (17 hours ago)
  792. This is what I would like us to work out:
  793.  
  794. Calder Rooney
  795. Jan 30, 2019, 9:18 PM (17 hours ago)
  796. How can we play through Wonderland scenes (and scenes in general) at a faster OOC rate?
  797.  
  798. Calder Rooney
  799. Jan 30, 2019, 9:18 PM (17 hours ago)
  800. As mentioned, I have a lot of ideas--but since you're the GM, you may want to go first
  801.  
  802. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  803. Jan 30, 2019, 9:19 PM (17 hours ago)
  804. to me
  805. 1. Choose which type of mystery you as the player (not PC) would most like to play now or in the next are scenes (Wonderland/non-Wonderland). Either is fine. Let me know. Then let's play them. If and once that choice changes, let me know. That's fine too. Then let's play them.
  806.  
  807. Calder Rooney
  808. Jan 30, 2019, 9:21 PM (17 hours ago)
  809. I presume there's also a 2.+ if there's a 1.?
  810.  
  811. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  812. Jan 30, 2019, 9:22 PM (17 hours ago)
  813. to me
  814. 2. Choose which type of mystery your PC would most like to play now or in the next scenes (Wonderland/non-Wonderland). Either is fine. Let me know. Then let's play them. If and once that choice changes, let me know. That's fine too. Then let's play them.
  815.  
  816. Samuel Peer
  817. Jan 30, 2019, 9:22 PM (17 hours ago)
  818. Obviously if the answer is the same for 1&2, great
  819.  
  820. Samuel Peer
  821. Jan 30, 2019, 9:23 PM (17 hours ago)
  822. If forced between the two and they diverge, I think Option 1 is more conducive to player happiness/satisfaction.
  823.  
  824. Calder Rooney
  825. Jan 30, 2019, 9:24 PM (17 hours ago)
  826. Sam, that's uncalled for
  827.  
  828. Samuel Peer
  829. Jan 30, 2019, 9:25 PM (17 hours ago)
  830. I really disagree.
  831.  
  832. Samuel Peer
  833. Jan 30, 2019, 9:26 PM (17 hours ago)
  834. I'm saying tell me which mystery/secret/topic you'd like your PC to investigate, and I'll try to make that happen. I think that is really called for.
  835.  
  836. Samuel Peer
  837. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  838. More specifically, I'm asking about which mystery you'd like your PC to investigate now/immediately next
  839.  
  840. Calder Rooney
  841. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  842. Oh, wait
  843.  
  844. Calder Rooney
  845. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  846. I thought you'd posted the same message for both #1 and #2
  847.  
  848. Samuel Peer
  849. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  850. Oh, heavens no!
  851.  
  852. Samuel Peer
  853. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  854. Did I?
  855.  
  856. Calder Rooney
  857. Jan 30, 2019, 9:27 PM (17 hours ago)
  858. "Make your huge choice, sucker!"
  859.  
  860. Calder Rooney
  861. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  862. No, I pasted them into notepad
  863.  
  864. Calder Rooney
  865. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  866. They were actually different
  867.  
  868. Samuel Peer
  869. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  870. Yeah
  871.  
  872. Samuel Peer
  873. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  874. Very much so
  875.  
  876. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  877. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  878. to Samuel
  879. That did feel pretty, well, Kain-like
  880.  
  881. Samuel Peer
  882. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  883. (although sometimes not, as I mentioned)
  884.  
  885. Samuel Peer
  886. Jan 30, 2019, 9:28 PM (17 hours ago)
  887. Yeah, that's not me.
  888.  
  889. Calder Rooney
  890. Jan 30, 2019, 9:29 PM (17 hours ago)
  891. Yeah, I was about to go all "Seriously, man, I know we might disagree, but you're better than that."
  892.  
  893. Samuel Peer
  894. Jan 30, 2019, 9:29 PM (17 hours ago)
  895. I certainly try to be.
  896.  
  897. Calder Rooney
  898. Jan 30, 2019, 9:32 PM (17 hours ago)
  899. Anyway though, can you expound on those options? Is there a difference here between choosing scenes based on Calder's vs. Hazel's preferences?
  900.  
  901. Samuel Peer
  902. Jan 30, 2019, 9:34 PM (17 hours ago)
  903. Sure. For the next immediate scene(s), which type of mysteries do you as the player prefer to have Hazel investigate, "Wonderland" or "nonWonderland" ones?
  904.  
  905. Samuel Peer
  906. Jan 30, 2019, 9:34 PM (17 hours ago)
  907. I know there are tons of factors
  908.  
  909. Samuel Peer
  910. Jan 30, 2019, 9:35 PM (17 hours ago)
  911. But ultimately, weighing all that you can know, which in your gut is the type of mystery you want to play out?
  912.  
  913. Samuel Peer
  914. Jan 30, 2019, 9:35 PM (17 hours ago)
  915. (for now, not long-term)
  916.  
  917. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  918. Jan 30, 2019, 9:36 PM (17 hours ago)
  919. to Samuel
  920. Yep. OOC, I know that _I_ want non-Wonderland. I also want Hazel to act consistent with her character. But I can buy her doing non-Wonderland, so there's no need to make a bigger fuss than I need to
  921.  
  922. Samuel Peer
  923. Jan 30, 2019, 9:36 PM (17 hours ago)
  924. Okay, that has been my sense after listening for the past 3.5 hours.
  925.  
  926. Samuel Peer
  927. Jan 30, 2019, 9:37 PM (17 hours ago)
  928. Now that choice has OOC and IC actions, and that is part of the game, IC and OOC. But I think that choice may ultimately be that which we should pursue then.
  929.  
  930. Samuel Peer
  931. Jan 30, 2019, 9:38 PM (17 hours ago)
  932. So if you choose not to ping back Paige, I will provide another IC option to expedite you/Hazel getting back to nonWonderland investigations.
  933.  
  934. Calder Rooney
  935. Jan 30, 2019, 9:41 PM (17 hours ago)
  936. Ok. Perhaps this would benefit from a feedback post on the broader topic of pacing within the game. My issue is less "I would like Hazel to become a mage faster
  937.  
  938. Samuel Peer
  939. Jan 30, 2019, 9:42 PM (17 hours ago)
  940. And that's fair.
  941.  
  942. Samuel Peer
  943. Jan 30, 2019, 9:42 PM (17 hours ago)
  944. When we've played WF in the past, there have been three speeds:
  945.  
  946. Calder Rooney
  947. Jan 30, 2019, 9:42 PM (17 hours ago)
  948. I would also be happy, for example (to use a non-PC example) Brook's interaction with Whitney took a single OOC day instead of several OOC days
  949.  
  950. Samuel Peer
  951. Jan 30, 2019, 9:43 PM (17 hours ago)
  952. 1. Me totally off work for weeks with no kids and able to devote tons of gaming time.
  953.  
  954. Calder Rooney
  955. Jan 30, 2019, 9:43 PM (17 hours ago)
  956. * if Brook's
  957.  
  958. Samuel Peer
  959. Jan 30, 2019, 9:43 PM (17 hours ago)
  960. 2. Dead hiatus crap
  961.  
  962. Samuel Peer
  963. Jan 30, 2019, 9:43 PM (17 hours ago)
  964. 3. Me working and juggling lots and posting in fits and bursts, with those bursts not being turtles or jackrabbits.
  965.  
  966. Samuel Peer
  967. Jan 30, 2019, 9:44 PM (17 hours ago)
  968. Now, to clarify though, despite a general and totally understandable desire to speed up game pacing
  969.  
  970. Samuel Peer
  971. Jan 30, 2019, 9:44 PM (17 hours ago)
  972. You are still saying that you would prefer switching to Hazel investigating nonWonderland mysteries now
  973.  
  974. Samuel Peer
  975. Jan 30, 2019, 9:44 PM (17 hours ago)
  976. Correct?
  977.  
  978. Samuel Peer
  979. Jan 30, 2019, 9:45 PM (17 hours ago)
  980. I'm just clarifying, not like trying to get you to second guess yourself or me.
  981.  
  982. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  983. Jan 30, 2019, 9:49 PM (17 hours ago)
  984. to Samuel
  985. In my perfect world (which isn't this one, except maybe in WF's original summer), Hazel would focus on Wonderland exclusively, and events would return to non-Wonderland at their own time (and a relatively brisk OOC time, since scenes in general would be moving faster)
  986.  
  987. Calder Rooney
  988. Jan 30, 2019, 9:50 PM (17 hours ago)
  989. In that world, Hazel would tell Paige "busy, call back later"
  990.  
  991. Samuel Peer
  992. Jan 30, 2019, 9:50 PM (17 hours ago)
  993. Understood. But since those halcyon days of yore are sadly not now (might be during a future summer?), what about now?
  994.  
  995. Calder Rooney
  996. Jan 30, 2019, 9:51 PM (17 hours ago)
  997. Those halcyon days might not be totally gone, actually
  998.  
  999. Calder Rooney
  1000. Jan 30, 2019, 9:51 PM (17 hours ago)
  1001. I mean, not in the RL sense
  1002.  
  1003. Calder Rooney
  1004. Jan 30, 2019, 9:51 PM (17 hours ago)
  1005. I can't give you more time
  1006.  
  1007. Samuel Peer
  1008. Jan 30, 2019, 9:51 PM (17 hours ago)
  1009. ?
  1010.  
  1011. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1012. Jan 30, 2019, 9:52 PM (17 hours ago)
  1013. to Samuel
  1014. But in the sense that there are ways to play through IG scenes at a faster OOC rate, which would have had the effect of WF's original summer moving at hyperspeed, but might now have the effect of WF simply moving at close to the original summer speed
  1015.  
  1016. Samuel Peer
  1017. Jan 30, 2019, 9:53 PM (17 hours ago)
  1018. Yes, that's true.
  1019.  
  1020. Samuel Peer
  1021. Jan 30, 2019, 9:53 PM (17 hours ago)
  1022. Or potentially true, and/or potentially have other side-effects.
  1023.  
  1024. Samuel Peer
  1025. Jan 30, 2019, 9:54 PM (17 hours ago)
  1026. But I'm always open to such.
  1027.  
  1028. Calder Rooney
  1029. Jan 30, 2019, 9:54 PM (17 hours ago)
  1030. Do you have any thoughts there--how to move through scenes in general at a faster pace?
  1031.  
  1032. Calder Rooney
  1033. Jan 30, 2019, 9:54 PM (17 hours ago)
  1034. I have a bunch of my own, like I said, as it's been a big one in B&B lately
  1035.  
  1036. Calder Rooney
  1037. Jan 30, 2019, 9:54 PM (17 hours ago)
  1038. But this isn't B&B, either
  1039.  
  1040. Calder Rooney
  1041. Jan 30, 2019, 9:54 PM (17 hours ago)
  1042. * a big issue
  1043.  
  1044. Samuel Peer
  1045. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1046. I do, although they don't come out for me as net win due to their side-effects/costs.
  1047.  
  1048. Samuel Peer
  1049. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1050. But I'm open to hearing your thoughts and so forth
  1051.  
  1052. Calder Rooney
  1053. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1054. They do indeed have costs and side effects
  1055.  
  1056. Samuel Peer
  1057. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1058. BUT
  1059.  
  1060. Samuel Peer
  1061. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1062. First, can we first conclude/confirm the subject of Hazel/Wonderland/player mystery preference
  1063.  
  1064. Samuel Peer
  1065. Jan 30, 2019, 9:55 PM (17 hours ago)
  1066. As I just want to be clear
  1067.  
  1068. Samuel Peer
  1069. Jan 30, 2019, 9:56 PM (17 hours ago)
  1070. Given the above, your preference is to switch to nonWonderland investigations next
  1071.  
  1072. Samuel Peer
  1073. Jan 30, 2019, 9:57 PM (17 hours ago)
  1074. Correct?
  1075.  
  1076. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1077. Jan 30, 2019, 9:57 PM (17 hours ago)
  1078. to Samuel
  1079. My FIRST preference would be to stick exclusively with Wonderland, at a faster OOC pace. But hashing out ways to speed up scenes in general, and discussing the permutations thereof, is likely to take some time. And definitely longer than tonight
  1080.  
  1081. Calder Rooney
  1082. Jan 30, 2019, 9:58 PM (17 hours ago)
  1083. So for tonight, I am okay going by my SECOND preference, which is to switch to non-Wonderland at the same OOC pace
  1084.  
  1085. Samuel Peer
  1086. Jan 30, 2019, 9:58 PM (17 hours ago)
  1087. Which I would argue makes it your HIGHEST preference (for now) all other things being equal or as they are now.
  1088.  
  1089. Samuel Peer
  1090. Jan 30, 2019, 9:58 PM (17 hours ago)
  1091. Correct?
  1092.  
  1093. Calder Rooney
  1094. Jan 30, 2019, 9:59 PM (17 hours ago)
  1095. Correct. The world being as it is, rather than as we wish to make it
  1096.  
  1097. Samuel Peer
  1098. Jan 30, 2019, 9:59 PM (17 hours ago)
  1099. Just like my first preference would be to regularly have weeks off with no work and little responsibilities that I could just game.
  1100.  
  1101. Calder Rooney
  1102. Jan 30, 2019, 10:00 PM (17 hours ago)
  1103. That may not be possible, but speeding up OOC scene speeds certainly is
  1104.  
  1105. Samuel Peer
  1106. Jan 30, 2019, 10:00 PM (17 hours ago)
  1107. Regardless, in the context of that choice, I do just want to confirm a couple of related issues.
  1108.  
  1109. Calder Rooney
  1110. Jan 30, 2019, 10:00 PM (17 hours ago)
  1111. Shoot
  1112.  
  1113. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1114. Jan 30, 2019, 10:03 PM (17 hours ago)
  1115. to me
  1116. 1. Just confirming that this choice is made with the knowledge that it could impact, to an unknown degree, her ability to engage in other investigations, of the outcome of those other investigations. That is, Brook could have chosen to first investigate Rockwell Fall before checking on Danny. If the 'thing' attacks and eats someone while Brook's in MPGH, that is a consequence. Granted, he could have been the one eaten, so not being eaten would be a consequence too. Maybe the eaten people then makes resuming the Rockwell investigation harder. Maybe it makes it easier. David won't/can't know for sure at the point of picking initially.
  1117.  
  1118. Samuel Peer
  1119. Jan 30, 2019, 10:04 PM (17 hours ago)
  1120. Cool with that?
  1121.  
  1122. Calder Rooney
  1123. Jan 30, 2019, 10:05 PM (17 hours ago)
  1124. Yep. I'm willing to swallow that risk/potential cost
  1125.  
  1126. Samuel Peer
  1127. Jan 30, 2019, 10:05 PM (17 hours ago)
  1128. k.
  1129.  
  1130. Calder Rooney
  1131. Jan 30, 2019, 10:05 PM (17 hours ago)
  1132. And Hazel will take some steps to potentially mitigate it
  1133.  
  1134. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1135. Jan 30, 2019, 10:08 PM (16 hours ago)
  1136. to me
  1137. 2. When/if you later wish to resume 'Wonderland' mysteries, just let me know. Granted, some mysteries are harder to pick up/resume than others. For example, if Kurt is helping the Henderson try to trap the Coyote Child on VHS, and they see her, but then Kurt decides to take a call from his ex and find out why she's bugging, he might then get off the phone and recording the Child could be a lot harder then, or it might take longer to find her again. So I want players to let me know whenever they want to switch gears, but I can't always promise that the gears can turn on a dime.
  1138.  
  1139. Samuel Peer
  1140. Jan 30, 2019, 10:09 PM (16 hours ago)
  1141. So this is not "you shall never see Wonderland again", but it also isn't a promise to pick up Wonderland right were we leave off, either.
  1142.  
  1143. Samuel Peer
  1144. Jan 30, 2019, 10:09 PM (16 hours ago)
  1145. Cool?
  1146.  
  1147. Calder Rooney
  1148. Jan 30, 2019, 10:10 PM (16 hours ago)
  1149. Totally understood, as both a player and GM. Rocco has been slow to pursue some plot threads that may be harder now that further IG time has passed
  1150.  
  1151. Calder Rooney
  1152. Jan 30, 2019, 10:10 PM (16 hours ago)
  1153. To use a similar example
  1154.  
  1155. Samuel Peer
  1156. Jan 30, 2019, 10:11 PM (16 hours ago)
  1157. k
  1158.  
  1159. Samuel Peer
  1160. Jan 30, 2019, 10:11 PM (16 hours ago)
  1161. Alright, I'm good then. Just wanted confirmed clarity/clarified confirmation.
  1162.  
  1163. Calder Rooney
  1164. Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 PM (16 hours ago)
  1165. One further thought too, actually
  1166.  
  1167. Calder Rooney
  1168. Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 PM (16 hours ago)
  1169. Which we discussed literally years ago, you might not remember it
  1170.  
  1171. Samuel Peer
  1172. Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 PM (16 hours ago)
  1173. I will point out that if you think Hazel needs more ante to justify the choice you as a the player want, I can help with that.
  1174.  
  1175. Samuel Peer
  1176. Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 PM (16 hours ago)
  1177. Listening
  1178.  
  1179. Calder Rooney
  1180. Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 PM (16 hours ago)
  1181. But has some appeal now
  1182.  
  1183. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1184. Jan 30, 2019, 10:13 PM (16 hours ago)
  1185. to Samuel
  1186.  
  1187. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1188. Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 10:36 AM
  1189. to Samuel
  1190. Then here would be my preference: playing out the first scene of Luke arriving at Dagobah, a summary of what he learns, and playing out leaving. (In a pinch, the last can slide, and/or the middle discovered via in media res). Perhaps at a later date we could play out further Dagobah scenes/fit them in via Analepesi. I want to do them justice, as they are very significant moments to the character and could be amazing scenes
  1191.  
  1192. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1193. Jan 30, 2019, 10:13 PM (16 hours ago)
  1194. to Samuel
  1195. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1196. Jul 20, 2017, 10:36 AM
  1197. to Samuel
  1198. But just as much, I want to find out if Han, Leia, and Chewy have been killed by Vader or not during the 11 months I was waiting
  1199. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1200. Jul 20, 2017, 10:36 AM
  1201. to Samuel
  1202. * and the droids
  1203. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1204. Jul 20, 2017, 10:37 AM
  1205. to Samuel
  1206. And if it comes down to it, I'm willing to sacrifice significant character-centric scenes for the sake of plot advancement
  1207.  
  1208. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1209. Jan 30, 2019, 10:13 PM (16 hours ago)
  1210. to Samuel
  1211. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1212. Jul 20, 2017, 10:40 AM
  1213. to me
  1214. Hmm, I could see that. Namely, (1) opening with the 'Otherland' intro scene(s), then (2) flash-forwarding to 'waking up' in the 'real' world (real/wake take on additional meaning with an Awakening mage), (3) playing out 'real world' scenes broken up by GM-inserted (versus PC-spent Analepsis) flash-backs to said Otherland events.
  1215. Samuel Peer
  1216. Jul 20, 2017, 10:40 AM
  1217. As unlike the Luke example, Alice's events in Wonderland are largely the plot of her story.
  1218. Samuel Peer
  1219. Jul 20, 2017, 10:41 AM
  1220. If still an interlude
  1221. Samuel Peer
  1222. Jul 20, 2017, 10:41 AM
  1223. (Crude examples)
  1224.  
  1225. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1226. Jan 30, 2019, 10:13 PM (16 hours ago)
  1227. to Samuel
  1228. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1229. Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 10:42 AM
  1230. to Samuel
  1231. Yes. We could also simply "cheat" by playing out Luke going to Dagobah, arriving in Cloud City, doing his stuff there... then later, OOC, playing out all of the Dagobah scenes and sneakily inserting them into the logs before the Cloud City ones
  1232. Calder Rooney
  1233. Jul 20, 2017, 10:42 AM
  1234. I do very much want to play out Dagobah--but I don't want it to come at the immediate cost of Cloud City
  1235. Samuel Peer
  1236. Jul 20, 2017, 10:43 AM
  1237. Although the mishmash of time and 'dimension' might work too.
  1238.  
  1239.  
  1240. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  1241. Jan 30, 2019, 10:13 PM (16 hours ago)
  1242. to Samuel
  1243. Samuel Peer
  1244. Jul 20, 2017, 10:43 AM
  1245. My only concern is that not having all the Dagaboh info might make playing Cloud City harder.
  1246. Samuel Peer
  1247. Jul 20, 2017, 10:43 AM
  1248. For you.
  1249. Samuel Peer
  1250. Jul 20, 2017, 10:43 AM
  1251. Meaning, 'If I had known what my character knows
  1252. Calder Rooney
  1253. Jul 20, 2017, 10:44 AM
  1254. But Han and Leia will die if I don't go!
  1255.  
  1256.  
  1257. Samuel Peer
  1258. Jan 30, 2019, 10:14 PM (16 hours ago)
  1259. Yep, I've had something in mind along that line that opens the door.
  1260.  
  1261. Samuel Peer
  1262. Jan 30, 2019, 10:15 PM (16 hours ago)
  1263. For such back and forths.
  1264.  
  1265. Samuel Peer
  1266. Jan 30, 2019, 10:15 PM (16 hours ago)
  1267. However, it's not the exact narrative device of Back-n-Forth flashbacks.
  1268.  
  1269. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1270. Jan 30, 2019, 10:16 PM (16 hours ago)
  1271. to me
  1272. Now in regards to conjoining body and mind/spirit, IF Eduard is right, it would seem other actions would be necessary to achieve that goal versus just tapping your ruby slippers together.
  1273.  
  1274. Samuel Peer
  1275. Jan 30, 2019, 10:16 PM (16 hours ago)
  1276. But OOC and IC, 'descending' is much easier than ascending
  1277.  
  1278. Calder Rooney
  1279. Jan 30, 2019, 10:16 PM (16 hours ago)
  1280. Yes
  1281.  
  1282. Calder Rooney
  1283. Jan 30, 2019, 10:16 PM (16 hours ago)
  1284. It is
  1285.  
  1286. Samuel Peer
  1287. Jan 30, 2019, 10:16 PM (16 hours ago)
  1288. I mean that in the non-Nephandi route.
  1289.  
  1290. Calder Rooney
  1291. Jan 30, 2019, 10:17 PM (16 hours ago)
  1292. All you have to do to go Nephandi is enter a Caul of your own free will...
  1293.  
  1294. Samuel Peer
  1295. Jan 30, 2019, 10:17 PM (16 hours ago)
  1296. So to reiterate, non-Nephandi...
  1297.  
  1298. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1299. Jan 30, 2019, 10:17 PM (16 hours ago)
  1300. to me
  1301. 🙂
  1302.  
  1303. Calder Rooney
  1304. Jan 30, 2019, 10:17 PM (16 hours ago)
  1305. If Hazels 'falls' in WF it'll be to become a Marauder
  1306.  
  1307. Samuel Peer
  1308. Jan 30, 2019, 10:17 PM (16 hours ago)
  1309. Yeah
  1310.  
  1311. Calder Rooney
  1312. Jan 30, 2019, 10:18 PM (16 hours ago)
  1313. Nephandi are more appropriate to B&B, I think
  1314.  
  1315. Calder Rooney
  1316. Jan 30, 2019, 10:18 PM (16 hours ago)
  1317. Pure madness vs. pure evil
  1318.  
  1319. Samuel Peer
  1320. Jan 30, 2019, 10:18 PM (16 hours ago)
  1321. I'd concur on all points there.
  1322.  
  1323. Samuel Peer
  1324. Jan 30, 2019, 10:19 PM (16 hours ago)
  1325. Okay. Why don't you go ahead and post your next IC post, since it feels like there's most coming from Hazel before a GM reply.
  1326.  
  1327. Samuel Peer <samuel.o.peer@gmail.com>
  1328. Wed, Jan 30, 10:19 PM (16 hours ago)
  1329. to me
  1330. And then, come back and tell me your ideas on speedifying
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