Fem judgement

Overview:

Kiryu wins 3-0. The broad strokes are that Blake, Tigra, and X-23 each attack with a piercing vector, and Songbird, Makkari, and Panty each lack piercing resistance. I do think that all of Box's characters are able to theoretically put down their opposites, but they each probably need multiple hits to do so, and I don't think they can get those off before the easier win condition of "hit my enemy once" kicks in from Kiryu's.

More in depth thoughts are below, you're free to DM me on discord if you have questions.


# Songbird vs. Blake

**MightyBox Intro + R1**

* Songbird is an ex supervillain who uses "solid constructs of sound" for offense and utility, essentially a Green Lantern but with sound. There's an instance of it knocking over a large creature with a crater linked, an instance of it being used as a shield, and a general utility showing where it's a vacuum. She'll generally try and restrain opponents.
   * How hard is this restraint to escape?
* Vs. Blake, Songbird is advantaged because Blakes powers allow her to dodge blows, but something like a bubble/dome/wall would just trap her.
* Songbird's shields are bullet proof and thus won't be cut throuh by Blake, Blake isn't stone breaking so she can't hurt Songbird, and Songbirds concussive force can bust concrete whereas Blake is hurt by less.
   * if Blake primarily has piercing attacks, does her "stone busting" force actually matter? It sounds like she'd just cut up Songbird, who doesn't have any posited piercing durability.

*Judge Thoughts:*

I'm not even really sure if this response count honestly, you're not supposed to discuss your opponents stats in your intro.

**Kiryu R1**

* Blake can contend Songbird physically and has abilities that "wll prove keen in overcomin gher."
* Blake will be attacking more frequently because she deflects a stream of bullets, while running, whereas Songbird is stationary in hers.
   * I think Blake running in hers implies a greater level of precision but i don't think it automatically translates to Blake being faster.
* Songbird primarily hits things by ramming them with big object shaped constructs, which is less effective than punching for surface area reasons. Blake gets sent flying through a wall and gets up, she can keep fihting if hit. Blake outmaneuvers and Jukes opponents. The constructs themselves don't have a speed, if Blake can evade bullets she can evade this.
* Songbird lacks piercing resistance, a thrown sai renders her inoperable. Her constructs are bullet proof, but won't stand up against the force to slice through stone and metal.  Songbird is one shot

*Judge Notes:* I could nitpick but this is a very good response in my view, there's a direct comparison of both characters. Songbirds weaknesses and Blakes strengths both get attention and both are characterized outside of statposting. I think right now that Blake outmaneuvering Songbird feels fairly likely, that the both of them are comparably fast at worst, and that Blake one shots.

**Box R1**

* Blake being faster wouldn't matter, Songbird can fly and Blake cannot, meaning Songbird can press a win condition and Blake can't. Blake can't break through her shields just on the basis of the robot feat, because the shields have blocked gun slicing knives and 30mm fire from heliccopters.
* Songbird can opt to use "human sized" attacks if she wants. She's capable of causing the damage in these scans regardless of how large the construct she's using is.
   * I don't think that Kiryu is contesting that Songbird can generate enough force to replicate those feats, it sounds to me like he's saying that force won't transfer as well because a massive object is the vector it's travleing through.
* Songbird has AoEs and generally more utility than Kiryu has.

*Judge Notes:* The win conditions, as I currently understand them, are for Blake to either slice apart Songbird or for Songbird to trap/knock out Blake. I definitely think that Blake can kill Songbird if she can hit her, but if she doesn't have the ability to attack someone in the air, she probably just loses no matter what.

I think Songbirds win cons both have problems with them. It seems like the idea is she'll trap Blake for an incapacitation win, but that takes time. If she's put in a bubble, for instance, she has until a 12 count to break free- so even if she can't cut through the shield in one swing, she's got a pretty good shot at getting out. Blake being knocked out also doesn't seem extremely likely between hurt own durability and the surface area arguments.

It's pretty neck and neck for me right now.

**Kiryu R2**

* Blake has tagged flying enemies before and is generally acrobatic, Songbird flying is not enough to win. Blake slicing through multiple robots at once is more than enough to slice through one of these shields.
* Songbird regularly massive constructs to attack rather than human appropriate ones, and her constructs have no real speed to them.
   * I think the first feat you posted where Songbird blocks a lot of bullets with a shield would count for speed of the constructs, but since Kiryu is the only one really talking about Songbirds speed he's winning this point for me.
* Songbird has no piercing resistance herself and dies if she's sliced.

*Judge Notes:* Kiryu wins. Blake's aerial mobility isn't great in my view, but it's I think enough to get into Songbirds range a few times. It seems like Blake likely would have the chance to respond with a construct while she did this, but between  Kiryu pretty much controlling the conversation about their speed and Blakes piercing feats seeming to beat out the constructs durability, I don't think it matters much.

I don't think Blake would no sell a strike from Songbird or that she won't ever attack in an effective way, but I think Blake can either evade, destroy, or withstand the constructs long enough to win.

# Makkari vs. Tigra

**Box R1**

* Makkari is a robot alien with a marvel backstory. She runs at supersonic and rams people.
   * source on the supersonic thing?
* Makkari has good DPS, she attacks fast and travels fast
* \*\*"\*\*Tigra suffers from having a bteats thread from 6 years ago. Sorry friend."
   * lol
* Tigra has poor durability, and while she can dodge, she can't necessarily intercept Makkari being supersonic at her to attack
   * I Really Need To See the scan that specifically says Supersonic and not Blurry Line

*Judge Notes:* Box's arguments I think are in the right direcction but they need better evidence than they have right now.

**Kiryu Intro+R1**

* Tigra rips, tears, lifts, bends metal. She runs at 70mph, ducks bullets and swats arrows. She takes a lot of blows from Kraven, who has chimney- wall range feats.
* Makkari moves visually fast but has unclear reacctions, box has previously admitted this. Tigra is a bullet timer, she wins on speed.
* Since Makkari needs tackles to get good feats, Tigra can withstand her in combat long enough to lethally counter.
* Makkari gets one shot.

*Judge Notes:* Pretty good Me Good You Bad unga bunga based statpost. Under the current argumentation, it seems like Makkari blitzes and probably gets the first hit in on Tigra, but then would be vulnerable to getting gutted.

**Box R2**

* Tigra can't necessarily fight fast, just duck/dodge, which she can't do against human sized target ramming at her.
   * I'm not actually sure why not, she seems fast enough to at least slap arrows and such out of the way, and Makkari doesn't have any posited reactions to readjust and try to hit her again.
* Makkari takes almost no acceleration time, and she cracks massive amount of stone. which is more than what Tigra takes.
   * This is a fair point, Makkaris punches do seem like they'd be damaging to Tigra, but I don't think she can one shot or that Tigra couldn't necessrily retaliate.

*Judge Notes:* I think I am still generally not convinced that Makkari is actually supersonic and not just Visually Fast as Kiryu implies. Tigra's feats of swatting arrows, ducking/dodging bullets show me she has the reactions and the ability to move her body fast enough to evade supersonic objects, and Makkari's lack of real reaction feats make her acceleration kind of moot for me; I think Makkari will likely get off the first punch, and that will hurt, but I don't think she can combo Tigra long enough to incap without getting hit back once.

**Kiryu R2**

* Makkari needs several hits to build up the momentum for this hit, whereas while Tigra's feat may be smaller, it happened all at once.
* Tigra cuts through metal, meaning she one shots.
* Tigra does'nt stand still, she dodges and leaps and is Agile tm
* Makkari being a human and not a bullet is disadvantageous because bullets are small and conseuctive and don't need momentum. If Tigra can react to bullets she can react to Makkari.
   * I think I buy this.

*Judge Notes:* Kiryu wins. Makkari's win con was to overwhelm Tigra with consecutive strikes. Kiryu showed that individual strikes from Makkari are not something that instagib Tigra, that Makkari doesn't have the reactions to never get counter attacked, and that Tigra is at least somewhat capable of evading Tigra's attacks due to her bullet timing feats. Tigra's win con of hitting Makkari once with an attack that shreds metal seems overwhelmingly likely to me in this context.

# X-23 vs. Panty

**Box R1+Intro**

* Panty backstory, she's a long ranged fighter whose good at shooting and has a somewhat well rounded statblock.
* A  gunshot to the head incaps X-23, Panty can land a shot like this, she's a very good shooter even if X-23 is a bullet timer.
* X-23 is worse at taking blunt force than Panty is.
   * I'm not sure I know why this is relevant, X-23 presumably is not dangerous because of her striking and neither is Panty, they seem like they're both using piercing through either claws or bullets. How much concussive force either of them can take is of ? value to me.

*Judge Notes:* Panty's win con is to shoot X-23 in the head, which X-23 has been shown susceptile to before. I'm not sure how much this will hold up, but I do want to say that I think this is a good direct comparison to make. Highlighting your opponents weaknesses relative to your own strengths like this is always good.

**Kiryu R1+Intro**

* X23 throws people through walls, pierces robots and bulletproof people. Bullet times a lot, crater feats, nutty pain tolerance.
* X23 moves her full body at close range bullet timing speeds, Panty doesn't.
* X23 eats bullets and regenerates massive swaths of flesh quickly. She tanks the bullets and the punches
* X23 slilces through concrete and metal and Panty has no piercing resistance.

*Judge Notes:*

I agree with pretty much everything here, Panty seems to be outstatted by  X23 at every turn.

**MightyBox R2**

* Maintains that Panty can get off the headshot which incaps X23, and can hang with her in H2h.
   * I think H2H would go very poorly for Panty if she gets one shot by X23's claws, and the bulletproof feats that Kiryu posted makes me think less of headshotting her as a win condition.
* Kiryu is also overselling X23's durability, Panty's strength is relevant

*Judge Thoughts:*  I think this is not an unwinnable match for Panty but this feels like it's getting significantly less effort putting into it on Box's end, so Kiryu's arguments are holding a lot more water for me right now.

**Kiryu R2**

* X23 recovers after being shot in the head, the headshot wound isn't consistent. She can just deflect bullets if need be.
* Panty gets one shot, X23 cuts good. She also never tires and can keep fighting even after cutting off her own limbs. She wins the endurance contest.

*Judge Notes:* Kiryu wins. It seems like Panty's striking would be effective to me against X-23, but i think she wouldn't be able to one shot him, and X-23 can one shot Panty. She has the recourse against Panty's guns to ensure this happens.