February 24th, 2017: Dawn of the New Bonds

Flamy added Astra to the group.Today at 10:59 AM
Flamy added Reikenan to the group.Today at 10:59 AM
Flamy added TheVanceKnight to the group.Today at 10:59 AM
Flamy added LucinaofYlisse to the group.Today at 10:59 AM
Flamy added DifferentFight to the group.Today at 10:59 AM
[10:59 AM] Flamy: And so, we hold council.
[10:59 AM] Jariu: Wasnt I kicked out of those
[11:00 AM] Flamy: Oh, no, this council is to be held against you.
[11:00 AM] Flamy: Or for you.
[11:00 AM] Jariu: You say that before saying you are holding it
[11:00 AM] Reikenan: Regardless, we're here to talk serious Jariu
[11:00 AM] Jariu: Fair enough
[11:00 AM] Flamy: We deemed that we ought not alienate you of what your sentence would be.
[11:01 AM] Astra: :thinking:
[11:01 AM] Reikenan: I would've said wait until we have Vance awake...
[11:01 AM] Flamy: By this time, it will be around... 9AM for Vincent.
[11:01 AM] Flamy: Or was it 6.
[11:01 AM] Jariu: Yeah there's like three people missing
[11:01 AM] Jariu: Vonce went to bed like four hours ago
[11:02 AM] Flamy: Hm, I see.
[11:02 AM] Astra: he aint waking up for this shit(edited)
[11:02 AM] Reikenan: Is LoY joining or not.
[11:02 AM] Jariu: I'm paying more attention to the double up chance in my cellphone ngl
[11:03 AM] Reikenan: What do you mean...?
[11:03 AM] Jariu: Poker, but point is you are missing half the admins
[11:04 AM] Flamy: I assume he refers to the possibility that- DifferentFight and LucinaofYlisse showed themselves as present before I set this up.
[11:04 AM] Reikenan: Is it half? I thought Vance was the only one missing
[11:04 AM] Jariu: Well, they haven't said a thing
[11:05 AM] Flamy: I can only presume that DifferentFight wishes to not have a share of this drama, and that LoY simply is wholly against you.
[11:05 AM] LucinaofYlisse: I'm waiting for someone else to segue the conversation before participating, lest I make it personal and derail the conversation.
[11:05 AM] Jariu: :thinking:
[11:05 AM] Astra: jariu, being witty/antagonistic isnt gonna help your case, just gonna say that much
[11:06 AM] Jariu: True
[11:06 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Jariu - Today at 2:02 PM
I'm paying more attention to the double up chance in my cellphone ngl
[11:06 AM] LucinaofYlisse: That made me not want to say anything.
[11:06 AM] Astra: and loy being offended by everything isnt exactly gonna help either
[11:06 AM] Jariu: To be fair, I didn't know everyone was actually here so I asumed we'd wait
[11:07 AM] Flamy: Right, then. We have... set up a proposition for you, Jariu. Within certain conditions, we shall allow you to remain among us.
[11:07 AM] Jariu: Do elaborate on the terms of said conditions
[11:08 AM] Reikenan: We've been teetering on a ban / kick for awhile, if you havent realized.(edited)
[11:08 AM] DifferentFight: I'm here but rather not participate unless necessary ig
[11:08 AM] Flamy: Ah, I see. Terribly sorry to involve you in all this.
[11:08 AM] DifferentFight: It's aight, we're operators after all
[11:10 AM] Reikenan: Many people have really started to show a dislike for your ways of conduct in the chat. We fear this negativity has grown too poisonous.
[11:10 AM] Reikenan: Though we want to repsect you as a long time member of the community
[11:11 AM] Jariu: Hmhm
[11:12 AM] Reikenan: I feel like I shouldnt be the one talking as im not good at opinionating things :V
[11:12 AM] Reikenan: Or are we going to wait to furthur discuss this when Vance is on.
[11:12 AM] LucinaofYlisse: No, continue.
[11:13 AM] Astra: to quote the discussion
[11:13 AM] Astra: Having the threshold for hearing someone else out before trampling on someone else's opinion and dismissing it as hogwash.
Understanding that not everyone is going to be receptive to his sarcasm.
Understand that his opinion in specific cases is not an absolute truth.
Actually take the time to have a beginning, middle and end to his arguments while outlining his focus points
Also lastly, get off my case for the whole tapping to move unit shaming. (loy)
[11:14 AM] Astra: and note that this is the final warning or else you'd be kicked out of the chat
[11:14 AM] Astra: people have wanted to ban out straight out but i was the only one that spoke out on your behalf to have a proper conversation before hastily making the decision to ban
[11:14 AM] Reikenan: Hey, I wanted to chat before I ban
[11:14 AM] Reikenan: I stated this many times
[11:14 AM] Reikenan: >:U
[11:15 AM] Astra: why did you say aye, then?
[11:15 AM] Astra: make you voice known, dont sheep
[11:15 AM] Reikenan: Before that I've mentioned
[11:15 AM] DifferentFight: I'll summarise my perspective on this:
Your negative manner of addressing most issues, responding to people's opinions, and most importantly (in my mind) demotivating newcomers is troublesome and creates for a negative chatting experience for people trying to enjoy the game.
This is a niche community, and if negative remarks are constantly thrown about, ESPECIALLY to new people, it's gonna kill any possible growth for the community and for the game as well.
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[11:16 AM] DifferentFight: I don't have much personal feeling attached to it, but a lot of people are putting in a lot of effort to try and expand the community, and this really isn't helping
[11:16 AM] Reikenan: We want to shed our "Elitist" view
[11:17 AM] Reikenan: We want to be a welcoming community to new players and to help people enjoy the game, rather than be thrust into a meta that can get boring quite quickly. We have these huge gaps between sets that it just dies out.
[11:18 AM] Jariu: I see
[11:18 AM] LucinaofYlisse: In the given context of when I first joined, I was taught in Lackey by several people throwing cards onto the field. The only instances of people moving units were using flying emblem and rescue units. No one clarified that tapping a unit could also suffice in moving them. I didn't feel the need to read the rules because I felt that I would accrue knowledge from just playing, since I felt welcome at the time. You consistently shaming me for it and even having to post it on Tumblr has left a bad taste in my mouth. I go out of my way to teach new players to save them from shaming and embarrassment and antagonizing from you Jariu. And thus I've come to antagonize you as well.
[11:19 AM] Jariu: The posting it thing was picked randomly out of a folder I don't even have anymore in a personal blog with only like 20 active followers
[11:19 AM] LucinaofYlisse: You still mentioned it like two weeks ago.
[11:19 AM] Reikenan: regardless, the fact that you're that inconsiderate can be a problem.(edited)
[11:19 AM] Jariu: That is true
[11:22 AM] Reikenan: There's a respectable balance when it comes to the negativity and positivity. We do sometimes dislike things, but we try to state it as a personal opinion and not an ultimate rule. I, personally, cant recall many times lately that you have given an opinion in a constructive/respectful fashion.
[11:24 AM] Flamy: To be fair, he has given critique on the plans for the ST Neos I laid out, and helped me make each one of them.
[11:25 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Time is a factor for that and I can understand that you don't want to spend the time giving your opinion in a constructive fashion.
[11:25 AM] Jariu: GUess I have to work on the phracing of things, compared to the "Matter of fact" tone that seems to come out of how I usually write
[11:25 AM] LucinaofYlisse: But you're never respectful when you ask people to source images.
[11:25 AM] LucinaofYlisse: The accomodation thing has to go both ways.
[11:25 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Otherwise nothing is going to get done.
[11:25 AM] LucinaofYlisse: As Astra stated.
[11:26 AM] LucinaofYlisse: I will admit my motivations to ban you and desire were too hasty.
[11:27 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Making that decision before you having a chance to defend yourself would have been unfair.
[11:27 AM] LucinaofYlisse: And for that I apologize.
[11:30 AM] Jariu: Don't worry about it, but to teh point of the matter it seems like the caveat of it is in the fact that I still have to work on my presentation and lenguage usage when it comes to these matters.
[11:30 AM] Jariu: And well, general attitude I have alonside how I put it(edited)
[11:30 AM] Astra: jariu's pointed out why things dont work without being a dick recently, its just when he's a dick it stands out that much more becaue you're all looking for it
[11:31 AM] Flamy: Indeed, he is the resident "grump", so to speak.
[11:31 AM] Jariu: I'd imagine it's easy to see coming in a number of situations
[11:31 AM] LucinaofYlisse: I don't want to look for it. It's just extremely noticeable after extreme exposure to it.
[11:32 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Conditioning.
[11:33 AM] Jariu: I'd like to think it hasn't been as bad recently, but seems like it hasn't changed much as far as image goes.
[11:34 AM] Astra: jariu im sure you may have noticed, but you and I talk and present ourselves in a very similar fashion
however the large difference between the two of us, is that most people know im joking, and that i dont insult people for their opinions
[11:35 AM] Jariu: The end structure does give away different feels to what we end up saying
[11:36 AM] Jariu: Although, it wouldn't surprise me if part of this is due to the aforementioned conditioning to me insulting others with malice.
[11:37 AM] Jariu: I've been trying to avoid giving such airs in the latest times, but as mentioned seems like it hasn't changed  much when it comes to the general opinion
[11:42 AM] Flamy: Admittedly, yes, I have seen improvement from Jariu, though the general consensus has yet to change as a result.
[11:43 AM] Jariu: That most certainly seems to be the case
[11:46 AM] Flamy: Still, that means it is possible to change! This... is why I would like to not banish Jariu.
[11:47 AM] Jariu: I apreciate it
[11:48 AM] LucinaofYlisse: There was a time when I confided in you when Tuvillo was the villian and for that I was grateful.
[11:48 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Don't give me a reason to see you as a villian.
[11:50 AM] Jariu: Seeins as how Tuvillo has literally gotten himself to be a public enemy and meme in various international comuinities the bar for such spot is higuer than what I can consistenly manage, let alone have the intention to.
But I'd like to get back on better terms, as it doesn't seem impossible as far as I see it.
[11:51 AM] LucinaofYlisse: Mmhmm.
[11:52 AM] Astra: :smiley:
[11:53 AM] Reikenan: :slight_smile:
[11:55 AM] Reikenan: I feel like this is the part that we all go out for a round of drinks
[11:55 AM] Jariu: Does anyone here even actually drink(edited)
[11:56 AM] Reikenan: I dont :thumbsup:
[11:57 AM] Jariu: If the tales of drunk cipher games are true I think Astra is the only one that actually drinks here
[11:57 AM] Astra: i do
[11:58 AM] Reikenan: Lol
[11:59 AM] Astra: anyway jariu since it seems like everyone's stopped talking, lets work on not antagonizing newcomers/people, work on actually giving constructive criticism without insulting people, and why not just not insult people overall.
[12:00 PM] Jariu: Sounds about right
[12:01 PM] Astra: and then we dont have to ban you
[12:01 PM] Astra: i dont like saying it but this is your final warning
[12:01 PM] Astra: dont waste it
[12:02 PM] Jariu: Hope it's easier than it sounds
[12:02 PM] Reikenan: English is your second language, right?
[12:02 PM] Jariu: That it is