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  1. f[2016-12-17 23:34:14] <--| Somecrazyguy has left #moderation ("")
  2. [2016-12-17 23:34:53] <Wildbow> Sorry you had to deal with that on top of a bad day, Yew.
  3. [2016-12-17 23:35:02] <Wildbow> Thanks for being levelheaded/more levelheaded than I.
  4. [2016-12-17 23:35:37] <Yewnyx> Ah. Thanks are unwarranted when I caused the problem to start with.
  5. [2016-12-17 23:35:47] <Yewnyx> er, i mean "Eh", not "Ah"
  6. [2016-12-17 23:36:00] <Wildbow> Not at all. Handling a mistake well is better than the alternative.
  7. [2016-12-17 23:36:26] <Wildbow> Not making the mistake in the first place is better, obviously, but I can still appreciate handling something well.
  8. [2016-12-17 23:37:58] <Wildbow> I... don't blame yew for getting frustrated.
  9. [2016-12-17 23:40:00] <Yewnyx> i am in partial disbelief that the_donald has come up simultaneously in the three otherwise entirely separate tracks in my life
  10. [2016-12-17 23:40:46] <Wildbow> I'm in disbelief and mild disgust that cheese pizza got even a partial nod.
  11. [2016-12-17 23:43:29] <Yewnyx> thanks for helping resolve, though I'm sorry that you needed to jump in at all
  12. [2016-12-17 23:52:39] <Mishie> for the record
  13. [2016-12-17 23:53:12] <Mishie> Not going to get involved with passing an official judgement or opinion until I'm more sober.
  14. [2016-12-17 23:53:52] <Mishie> But I do know that SCG isn't an idiot and does know the effect of what he says has on people.
  15. [2016-12-17 23:58:15] <Wildbow> That was my feeling. Ergo the point on trolling.
  16. [2016-12-17 23:58:29] <Mishie> Not sure if trolling is the right word
  17. [2016-12-17 23:58:42] <Wildbow> Ergo my point on not calling him an explicit troll
  18. [2016-12-17 23:58:58] <Mishie> Like he's not saying shit he doesn't believe in to fuck with somebody
  19. [2016-12-17 23:59:22] <Mishie> As much as he's saying shit that he feels is true and the fact that it fucks with people he dislikes is a bonus.
  20. [2016-12-17 23:59:54] <Wildbow> Yeah. And I can't help but feel like if he can take the person he dislikes down a peg by infracting them, that's a bonus?
  21. [2016-12-17 23:59:59] <Mishie> mmm
  22. [2016-12-18 00:00:06] <Mishie> moral highground sort of thing
  23. [2016-12-18 00:22:54] <Mishie> Like I'm /really/ not in any state to try to explain SCG or his motivations, but at the very least Yewnyx you don't need to feel shity about how you've reacted to him
  24. [2016-12-18 00:23:04] <Mishie> He's very much so going out of his way to make you feel that way
  25. [2016-12-18 00:23:35] <Elara> I feel like it's a pattern where he tries to stay just shy of the line until somebody snaps and he can get them in trouble
  26. [2016-12-18 00:24:02] <Mishie> To him, making you rage and give up talking to him is the equivalent of giving a logical argument to convince them of his points.
  27. [2016-12-18 00:24:08] <Elara> So now he's got what he wanted, and got off with a warning
  28. [2016-12-18 00:24:42] <Mishie> But at the same time, it's not him saying shit just to stir things up, he legitimately believes in what he's saying.
  29. [2016-12-18 00:25:14] <Mishie> Once again I want to stress that I neither agree or disagree with the things that are being said, only that I'm trying to provide context for them.
  30. [2016-12-18 00:26:11] <Mishie> Especially since most of the time I'm much closer to the disagree side of things, I just personally feel that SCG does have the right to make his points heard. Buuuuuut that's less of a thing when his goal (or at least subgoal) is to fuck with somebody else when making them.
  31. [2016-12-18 00:29:13] <Wildbow> Aye. I think we're more or less on the same page here
  32. [2016-12-18 00:29:37] <Wildbow> Was my gut instinct, sort of why I wanted to just infract both, shut it down
  33. [2016-12-18 00:29:59] <Wildbow> But then Yew had to go and be reasonable
  34. [2016-12-18 00:31:06] <Mishie> To me, SCG's goal isn't to fuck with Yew.
  35. [2016-12-18 00:31:25] <Elara> no, he just wants to win
  36. [2016-12-18 00:31:27] <Mishie> His goal is to express his point of view
  37. [2016-12-18 00:31:34] <Wildbow> More what Mish said
  38. [2016-12-18 00:32:02] <Mishie> Buuut, he is aware of the fact that his point of view, and that certain parts of it
  39. [2016-12-18 00:32:03] <Elara> but he doesn't respond well to having his views, once expressed, rejected
  40. [2016-12-18 00:32:07] <Mishie> Or at least how he words it
  41. [2016-12-18 00:32:19] <Mishie> Will set people off
  42. [2016-12-18 00:32:40] <Wildbow> SCG has expressed his feelings before about being really disheartened that, say, I don't agree with him, and I don't respect his point of view re: Trump et al.
  43. [2016-12-18 00:33:14] <Mishie> Realtalk
  44. [2016-12-18 00:33:57] * Wildbow waits for the realtalk
  45. [2016-12-18 00:34:10] <Elara> snerk
  46. [2016-12-18 00:34:22] <Mishie> yeah well it takes me a bit to edit it to make sense
  47. [2016-12-18 00:34:57] <Mishie> since y'know, not 100% sober
  48. [2016-12-18 00:35:08] <Wildbow> Ahh
  49. [2016-12-18 00:35:12] <Mishie> SCG isn't an idiot
  50. [2016-12-18 00:35:35] <Mishie> SCG knows that what he says can effect people, specifically, can effect them in a negative way
  51. [2016-12-18 00:35:46] <Mishie> usually Elara or Yew, since he's not huge fans of them
  52. [2016-12-18 00:35:49] <Mishie> At all
  53. [2016-12-18 00:35:56] <Mishie> Not sure if you've noticed, he's super subtle about it.
  54. [2016-12-18 00:36:03] <Elara> didja see his reaction, when he came on here and saw I had ops?
  55. [2016-12-18 00:36:24] <Mishie> wew
  56. [2016-12-18 00:36:29] <Elara> I honestly thought I was going to have to get somebody else to kick him before he dialled it back a bit
  57. [2016-12-18 00:36:31] <Wildbow> I missed that, Lars
  58. [2016-12-18 00:36:59] <Mishie> anyway, SCG honestly feels that he is being oppressed and that 'his side' isn't being properly represented
  59. [2016-12-18 00:37:19] <Mishie> And doesn't real0ly take into account /why/ that's a thing
  60. [2016-12-18 00:37:55] <Mishie> He doesn't really think about why people aren't agreeing with him, and are usually just agreeing with his right to say his opinion.
  61. [2016-12-18 00:38:10] <Wildbow> Is there a way around that?
  62. [2016-12-18 00:38:28] <Mishie> Just going to float a crazy idea
  63. [2016-12-18 00:40:13] * Wildbow waits for the crazy drunkmish idea.
  64. [2016-12-18 00:40:22] <Mishie> Usually at this time of day, I'm usually the only person that some people feel that they can talk to.
  65. [2016-12-18 00:40:56] <Mishie> Which is always superfun, especially after a long day at work.
  66. [2016-12-18 00:41:01] <Wildbow> You thinking Hierophant?
  67. [2016-12-18 00:41:08] <Mishie> Actually Vern tbh
  68. [2016-12-18 00:41:46] <Mishie> Like he's gone out of his way to come to moderation to express his opinions about things
  69. [2016-12-18 00:41:59] <Mishie> And more specifically, the opinions that have been brought to him
  70. [2016-12-18 00:42:37] <Mishie> Even if he doesn't agree with those people, he'll come here so that instead of people complaining in private, they'll instead bring their problems forward so that they can be resolved.
  71. [2016-12-18 00:43:01] <Mishie> tl;dr feeltheVern
  72. [2016-12-18 00:43:23] <Elara> Vern's been pretty constructive lately
  73. [2016-12-18 00:43:28] <Gundor> Vern confuses me sometimes <_<
  74. [2016-12-18 00:43:29] <Mishie> Like if people want to come to him with problems, and he wants to try to solve them
  75. [2016-12-18 00:43:32] <Mishie> Let him
  76. [2016-12-18 00:43:49] <Wildbow> Probably because sometimes it's vern talking and sometimes he's a mouthpiece for other complaints, Gun?
  77. [2016-12-18 00:44:21] <Mishie> Vern is already helping out the community
  78. [2016-12-18 00:44:28] <Gundor> maybe
  79. [2016-12-18 00:44:34] <Mishie> He's already trying to keep the peace and make people who would cause shit chill
  80. [2016-12-18 00:44:43] <Gundor> oh I don't have a problem with Vern
  81. [2016-12-18 00:45:01] <Gundor> I'm just noting that my mental model of Vern has high uncertainties
  82. [2016-12-18 00:45:04] <Gundor> >_>
  83. [2016-12-18 00:45:51] <Wildbow> He's been vocal elsewhere about the turn the server has taken. I just worry about the sorta thing that happened when SCG was a mod, where I logged in once or twice and he'd taken action I didn't agree with - course correcting?
  84. [2016-12-18 00:46:19] <Mishie> Well
  85. [2016-12-18 00:46:35] <Mishie> Vern is slightly less of a True Believer than SCG
  86. [2016-12-18 00:47:01] <Gundor> My higher levels of uncertainty are regarding what Vern actually believes :$
  87. [2016-12-18 00:47:10] <Mishie> like he can certainty be a bit blunt
  88. [2016-12-18 00:47:18] <Mishie> slightly
  89. [2016-12-18 00:47:24] <Mishie> But he can also be chill to people
  90. [2016-12-18 00:47:54] <Mishie> I feel that making him hold to the standard of a moderation team member would also help with that
  91. [2016-12-18 00:50:10] <Wildbow> Will mull it over. Gonna sleep for now. You enjoy your drinking. Yew can lick his wounds. Lars can do British things, I dunno what they're up to. We can reconvene at a later point? Or you guys discuss and I'll get caught up.
  92. [2016-12-18 00:50:33] <Elara> I'm at mini-Christmas with my partner and her mum
  93. [2016-12-18 00:50:35] <Mishie> All done with drinks for now, saving the rest for WD with teller tommorow
  94. [2016-12-18 00:50:37] <Mishie> well
  95. [2016-12-18 00:50:42] <Mishie> later today at this point
  96. [2016-12-18 00:50:52] <Elara> likely to be in and out over the rest of the day
  97. [2016-12-18 00:51:46] =-= Wildbow is now known as wildsleep
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