Kirbin24 vs. mikhailnikolaievitch - Results

Ame's Judgement
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Kirbin24 vs. mikhailnikolaievitch

Debate Breakdown: https://pastebin.com/ujxBGX0C

Random Notes/Observations (AKA Fuck Ups): https://pastebin.com/wzcZCiRv
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Overall this was a good debate between Mikhail and Kirbin. The debate can be broken down, in my opinion, to a few core debates:

* Can Enel/Coco take out Super Skrull (quickly)?

* How does Chi Long stack up to Durabelle?

* Can Chi Long take out Paragon?

* Can Paragon copy Chi Long?

* Are Enel/Coco at all useful for the rest of the fight?

I'll go through each of these debates, detail who and why I agreed with them, and then summarize how that impacts my judgement.  For Enel/Coco vs. Super Skrull I largely agree with Kirbin, while Mik made a good argument regarding Super Skrull's forcefield allowing him to block their attacks, Kirbin's retort that in general Super Skrull can't/doesn't use his shield (sufficiently) while attacking was fairly persuasive.  Mik's argument that Super Skrull could take Enel's lightning fell flat, with most of the discussion about if Kirbin's anti-feats were anti-feats or not, vs. what actual resistance SS has.  Mik also never sufficiently argued that SS would open with his shield (instead arguing he'd open with stretching attacks(?)), while Kirbin provided at least some argument that his team would open at range. With this in mind, SS is most likely taken out soon into the fight.

The second major argument is how Chi Long stacks up to DB.  This debate centered around how Mik's DB stacks up to the tier setter, the nature of Chi Long's striking and the consistency of it.  Mik made multiple blunders on the first part, with Kirbin correctly pointing out that her 1 TJ hit isn't her minimum striking, but rather her maximum unarmed striking, for example.  I generally aligned more (but not completely) with Kirbin's interp regarding the nukemap argument, especially as most of Mik's arguments centered around appealing to Verlux's WoG. I also agreed largely with Kirbin that Chi Long's hammer hit was both ~block busting and largely KE, however I agree with Mik that Chi Long's hits are certainly not consistently at this level. As such I don't think that Chi Long is comparable to tier setter DB in terms of striking, however I do believe believe he would be capable of at least doing okay against Mik's DB.

Paragon vs. Chi Long was simpler, per Mik's own tribunal comment if Paragon is hit far enough back he dies on impact.  Even some of Chi Long's weaker hits have sufficient KE to do this, so I find it very likely Paragon dies/gets taken out before he/DB can take advantage of their 2v1 vs. Chi Long. This is compounded by the fact that I sided exclusively with Kirbin on if Paragon could copy Chi Long/get within range of Coco/Enel.

The last core debate was if Enel/Coco were at all useful.  While I believe this fight does come down to a 3v1 of Kirbin's team vs. Durabelle, it is still quite close.  Chi Long isn't capable of beating Durabelle easily, Enel is useless outside of distracting/depriving Durabelle of weapons, and it will take forever for Coco to beat Durabelle.  However, as I largely agreed with Kirbin regarding the usefulness of Enel's mantra and Coco's precog, it will be very difficult for DB to take out either of those two, especially as she is fighting Chi Long.

As such I find it more likely that, as argued, Kirbin's team beats Mik's team, than the reverse.  Congrats on both debaters on a good final!

Winner: Kirbin24