BS_Lewis is untrustworthy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/atheists-nicer-to-christians-religious-identity-known-stu...
There are many studies on this point.
It is not hard to say.
It is easy to say.
Fen  18:21:57
Nothing in the article you posted mentions or defines Christ-likeness.
Better luck next time.
+ innit  18:22:39
You seem to have an ungenerous attitude.
I can show you how a philosopher would have acted, instead.
Fen  18:22:56
Oh, cool, personal attacks. Back on ignore you go. Good riddance.
+ innit  18:23:02
"What do you define as the essential components of Christness?
*  18:23:06
Ignoring Fen
Serdar__Argic  18:23:13
wherever Fen goes, I go.
icequeen81  18:23:28
sounds loyal
+ innit  18:23:35
It's unclear whether or not my calling Fen ungenerous was a personal attack.
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+ innit  18:23:38
It would depend on what is true.
I can show you a philosopher or a Christian's response:
justaskinn  18:23:54
Fen, I'm not sure that is necessary... Maybe you have more experience with this person... But ignoring for that doesn't seem needed
Serdar__Argic  18:23:55
christness is forgiveness
+ innit  18:24:00
"In what way am I being ungenerous?"
Being ungenerous is not an acceptable quality.
justaskinn  18:24:26
innit.... Want to talk about it?
+ innit  18:24:30
How are we to change and grow if others cannot point out our areas that need growth?
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justaskinn  18:24:42
I'm not the best representative... Others can do way better... But I'm happy to talk
+ innit  18:24:50
About what, specifically?
justaskinn  18:24:57
I see Fen
+ innit  18:24:59
The article does mention something Christ-like, of course.
justaskinn  18:25:00
sorry
+ innit  18:25:05
Otherwise I wouldn't have linked it.
justaskinn  18:25:15
oh... Read the last part... Kinda nasty attitude
+ innit  18:25:16
It mentions something that is essential to being Christlike.
justaskinn  18:25:23
ok... Whatever... Do your own thing... It's ok
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+ innit  18:25:53
!niv Matt 22:36-39
BibleBot  18:25:55
Mat22:36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Mat22:37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
deusexb  18:25:58
I would place you all on ignore, but it is my duty to give you all seven times seventy times per day
BibleBot  18:26:00
Mat22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
Mat22:39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' (NIV)
+ innit  18:26:13
So, loving yourself is second only to loving God, according to Christ.
Now, let's turn to the article.
BS_Lewis  18:26:27
No
+ innit  18:26:33
When atheists were told of their partner’s religious beliefs, they “behaved impartially toward ingroup and outgroup partners,” the study’s authors wrote in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.
BS_Lewis  18:26:37
Lets establish that the study in the article is reliable
Serdar__Argic  18:26:39
somebody handle this guy
+ innit  18:26:41
However, “Christians consistently demonstrated an ingroup bias”.
BS_Lewis  18:26:46
Something innit never does
Just saying
innit has very barabbas like qualities in that respect
+ innit  18:27:12
So, atheists treat people the same regardless of what tribe they belong ot.
Christians, however, given preferential treatment to their tribe.
deusexb  18:27:21
BS_Lewis, welcome to ignore. Reason: daring to doubt
BS_Lewis  18:27:23
Still ignored I guess
+ innit  18:27:26
This was specifically forbidden by Christ.
Serdar__Argic  18:27:46
7 times 70 is 490, deusexbe
+ innit  18:27:46
BS_Lewis, you have a budget of zero fallacies.
Let's proceed.
deusexb  18:28:06
watch it sully you're at 489 now ;)
+ innit  18:28:10
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103116307910
Specifically, we argue that atheists (but not Christians) experience unique reputational concerns due to stereotypes that their group is immoral, which in turn affect their behavior toward outgroup partners. Across three studies, when participants in a Dictator Game believed their religious identity was known to their partner, atheists behaved impartially toward ingroup and outgroup partners, whereas Christians consistently demonstrated an ingroup bias. The effects of religious identity on allocations to the outgroup were partially mediated by concerns about being perceived negatively by others and were eliminated by telling participants that their religious identity would be kept anonymous
BS_Lewis  18:28:58
Nice paywall. barabbas also thinks the abstract is good enough
+ innit  18:29:43
!niv Matt 25:43
BibleBot  18:29:44
Mat25:43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' (NIV)
deusexb  18:29:47
the paywall was a cloydian slip
+ innit  18:29:57
Giving preferential treatment to your tribe is an extremely grave sin
BS_Lewis  18:30:00
innit: i'm sorry i don't trust your ability to assess studies considering you found a debunked Satoshi Kanazawa study to be reliable
+ innit  18:30:03
Christ explicitly taught to do the opposite.
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Ignoring BS_Lewis
Serdar__Argic  18:30:14
if you all don't like what I type on here, just call this 1-900 number to complain
+ innit  18:30:15
BS_Lewis: That is a fallacy.
Serdar__Argic  18:30:30
what ever happened to 1-900 numbers? I never see them anymore
+ innit  18:30:36
deusexb: if you have integrity, you'll once again comment.
deusexb  18:30:57
what do I need to comment on?
BibleBot  18:31:05
1Tim5:8 If anyone fails to provide for his relatives, and especially for those of his own family, he has disowned the faith [by failing to accompany it with fruits] and is worse than an unbeliever [who performs his obligation in these matters]. (AMP)
+ innit  18:31:07
You made a prediction, your prediction was false, and the person you were biased towards immediately responded with a fallacy.
"BS_Lewis, welcome to ignore. Reason: daring to doubt"
deusexb  18:31:25
I made no predictions
+ innit  18:31:38
You did.
deusexb  18:31:49
that was me placing him on ignore
icequeen81  18:32:05
Heya BS lewis
+ innit  18:32:09
You place him on ignore for "daring to doubt"?
deusexb  18:32:35
yeah he shouldn't doubt your integrity of having researched the topic thoroughly
what did you think I meant when I said that?
+ innit  18:34:35
I thought that you were attempting to assign motive to me.
Serdar__Argic  18:34:44
Jesus preached to the Jew and the Greek
tell it to the Jew, tell it to the Greek, tell it to the strong and tell it to the weak, dseusexb
RCastle  18:35:48
personal attacks are not necessary to get ones point across
deusexb  18:35:59
that wouldn't even make sense. how can I assign motive to anyone? everyone has independent agency (more or less)
+ innit  18:36:16
It clearly makes sense, as people do it all the time.
It's part of Theory of Mind.
Jon did X. Jon did X because of Y.
deusexb  18:37:21
yes but you're suggesting Y is some type of subtle manipulation via words on irc
+ innit  18:37:51
I can drop it.
I will believe you at this time.
BS_Lewis is a surprisingly bad person.
He must be quite hurt and angry to behave this way.
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+ innit  18:39:10
He is unable to be vulnerable, and so he lashes out repeatedly to unskillfully share this anger and hurt.
+ innit  18:40:37
Do you know what his Satoshi Nakamoto point is?
deusexb  18:41:29
he said kanazawa, but no
+ innit  18:41:45
Aww, yes, that's a typo on my part.
It's a multi-level fallacy that he's been holding onto for move than 12 months.
1.I made some claims on topic X
2.I provided a citation for my claim authored by Satoshi Kanazawa
3.He correctly noted some of his work has been discredited
4.He offered no evidence my citation was discredited
5.I provided another citation from another scientist making the same claim
6.He refused to accept any new evidence because Satoshi had some of his work discredited
He knows all of this is wrong.
He is violating deep values of his -- behavior that he hates to observe in religious people.
I've seen him express this kind of behavior is the quintessential terrible behavior of the biased religious person.
But he does it anyways, indicating he is intensely angry and hurt.
+ innit  18:46:05
The genesis of this was that I told him I was putting him on ignore after I found his chat silly and irrelevant.
And that I dislike that he somewhat amplifies fascist messages on the right in the form of anti-feminist, anti-transgender, etc. memes.
He's not ready to take accountability that he's doing that.
deusexb  18:46:57
well we are all human, and not everything has to be 100% serious, so perhaps he was having a bit of a frolic
+ innit  18:47:03
Agreed.
I told him it was a 24-hour ignore or something.
But that initiated the conflict and he started announcing that he was ignoring me, which is sort of fine, I guess.
And then he latched onto this.
So, what's a way to dissolve the above?
1.Every crime has an expiration date
+ voicemePLS  18:48:40
?
+ innit  18:48:48
2.A recognition I didn't make a mistake in the first place, butt even if I did, (1) would apply
Serdar__Argic  18:49:01
thats the guy who created bitcoin
+ innit  18:49:06
3.A caring of our integrity so that we follow some rules which moderate and constrain our emotions
Meaning, at some point, we have to stop experiencing some emotions, as they've run their course, due to (1)
deusexb  18:50:06
I'm of the opinion this whole conversation has run its course
+ innit  18:50:22
The current program he's running is, "You made me mad, so I'm upset forever."
This is literally the program of children.
That seems reasonable.
I mostly commented on it this time as I wanted to note that he had entered into psychiatric levels.
By that I mean, he explicitly attempted to use trust to attack again.
This would be handled by a counselor as core behavior that is destructive.
It's forbidden by essentially all moral systems, both religious and secular.
+ innit  18:53:20
The violative behavior in conflict-resolution space is so much move severe than in the problem-generation phase.
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Ignoring voicemePLS
+ innit  18:53:40
All humans will experience conflict -- that's to be expected and is okay.
If we have good conflict resolution abilities, we generate trust and security in our relationships and communities.
We communicate to others, It's okay if we have problems, as we can resolve those.
But when you misbehave in conflict resolution space, the implications are so much graver.
You are communicating that if any problem arises, it won't be solvable. It will just fester and rot and expand. It communicates to those in our life that they're on their own when they experience emotional distress as a result of our actions or speech.
It prevents future attempts at conflict resolution.
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+ innit  18:56:10
BS_Lewis, as a result of your choices today, I have placed you on ignore for 12 months.