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- 1:12:22 PM+Renjincommie: Do you live in the USA?
- 1:12:26 PM+GreenDressYasser Arafat won one
- 1:12:32 PM@Godricsardaukar so how many is that?
- 1:12:34 PM+commieRenjin: Yesh
- 1:12:49 PM+Renjincommie: What do you think happens to the USA over the next 10 years?
- 1:14:33 PM+CaveGuyhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/what-does-spygate-mean-w520669
- 1:14:39 PM+commie2028... fuck. That seems almost impossible to think, I have resigned myself to "no future" mentality. I would not be surprised to see world war, a depressed economy, a massively expanded police state (increasingly networked regionally, increasingly cyberneticized), lots of selling of public assets to foreign investors (Octavia Butler's "Parable of the Sower" had this feature)
- 1:15:27 PM@Godricoh yes. obama did deploy more troops in afghanistan
- 1:15:38 PM+GreenDresslol trump coined spy gate?
- 1:15:48 PM+commieI expect to see increasingly strained resource availability and destabilized food commodity prices as the climate continues to fluctuate.
- 1:16:08 PM+commieMore states adopting "emergency manager" approaches and a suspension of local governments as we see in Michigan and Ohio
- 1:16:14 PM+commieThat's what happened in Flint, MI for example.
- 1:16:15 PM+GreenDresslol ofcourse he did...on twitter...lol
- 1:16:37 PM← Jar[o]d has quit (Read error: Input/output error)
- 1:17:32 PM+Renjincommie: What are the implications of suspension of local governments?
- 1:18:18 PM+GreenDresshaha trump can't block users on twitter
- 1:18:46 PM+commieMainly a loss of local democratic control in the name of "fiscal problems." Local governments get preyed upon by hedge funds and big banks, foreign investors, who promise massive loans for public services (like... upgrading sewer systems)... only for the interest rates to rocket up in economic downturns as tax revenues decline.
- 1:19:01 PM+GreenDresslike diarrhea
- 1:19:08 PM Ignoring GreenDress!*@*
- 1:19:35 PM+commieRenjin: "Carceral Capitalism" by Jackie Wang has a good overview of this tendency my municipal governments.
- 1:19:48 PM+RenjinInteresting.
- 1:20:18 PM+commieSo when tax revenues decline and local governments can't make payments, they can default and in some states that have "emergency managers" they suspend local democracies.
- 1:20:26 PM@Godrici think 'none' should the 1st choice seen on ballots
- 1:20:34 PM+commieAlso local governments may turn towards increasingly policing citizens and extracting fees and fines from them
- 1:20:39 PM+commieAs we saw in Ferguson
- 1:20:57 PM+commieWhere 1/3 of households had someone with a warrant for minor infractions.
- 1:21:15 PM+RenjinThis is incredibly depressing.
- 1:21:33 PM+RenjinOnly in 2016 did I really start to appreciate the state of American government.
- 1:21:43 PM+RenjinI thought I understood in the past, but I now see I was incredibly naive.
- 1:22:02 PM+RenjinThere's some female author who essentially stated in 2005 what became apparent with Trump in 2016.
- 1:22:08 PM@Godrici dont even know if things would be better with sanders in.
- 1:22:26 PM+RenjinGodric: You're not sure if things would be better with Sanders as President v. Trump as President.
- 1:22:28 PM+RenjinIs this your claim?
- 1:22:44 PM@Godriccongress getting vetoed for everything for 2 years might be bad
- 1:22:59 PM@Godricbeing we need to pay for things and what not
- 1:23:05 PM+RenjinTrump is committing treason out in the open.
- 1:23:12 PM+RenjinYeah, it's worse.
- 1:23:32 PM+RenjinI guess my best guess is America collapses.
- 1:23:43 PM+RenjinI didn't think I'd live to see that happen.
- 1:24:11 PM+RenjinI think the 2018 elections will likely be substantially disrupted by foreign and domestic powers.
- 1:24:14 PM@Godricif i had a dime for everytime someone said 'amaerica is gonna collapse soon'....
- 1:24:35 PM+RenjinGodric: How many times have you had a president who wouldn't have won without support from the dictatorship in Russia?
- 1:25:02 PM@Godriclania i really dont care
- 1:25:05 PM Ignoring Godric!*@*
- 1:25:34 PM+RenjinGodric: I put you on ignore, as you're not interested in debating in #debates.
- 1:26:13 PMⓘ Godric set mode +b *!*18170d61@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
- 1:26:13 PM× You have been kicked by Godric (Godric)
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