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  1. Sry this is a "short" reaction and I wasn't motivated to use LaTeX as well. I will use \\ to quote you and # to quote from the script. This makes it easier to check because everyone can easily verify it.
  2.  
  3. I hope that it’s readable. I just randomly saw your document but aren’t active on 4chan, meaning you would have to use reddit for further discussion.
  4.  
  5. I’m generally interested in reading alternative ways for the story, thus I’m thrilled to see what you came up with.
  6.  
  7. \\ Kanon and George culprits
  8. Van Dine:
  9. There must be but one true culprit.
  10.  
  11. Another general thing is this red:
  12.  
  13. #== Lambdadelta ==
  14. #<red>古戸ヱリカは、これまでのベアトのゲームに影響を与えない。<white>あくまでも、今回初登場のエキストラよ。
  15. #<red>Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now.<white> She's nothing more than an extra character who appears for the first time this round.
  16. #
  17. #== Lambdadelta ==
  18. #<red>これまでの世界には存在しないし、影響も与えないわ。<white>」
  19. #<red>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.<white>"
  20.  
  21.  
  22. \\This was seen in the anime.
  23. The anime is generally not considered canon. Which also makes your argument weird because you consider the manga not canon because of stuff it shows. Even thought the manga ends with a message from R07 saying that this is the heart of the story. And he also has messages in ep 7 manga where he is listed es supervisor.
  24.  
  25. \\ All almost similar to Shkanontrice in appearance, but this solution explains why Eva died on her bed.
  26. In ShKantrice Eva and Hideyoshi were bribed making it plausible why they would let in the master mind. And why would they be afraid from a servant anyway?
  27.  
  28. \\DIFFERENT CULPRITS IN EVERY GAME
  29. ShKantrice has one culprit, and their name is Yasu. Only the accomplices change a bit from game to game.
  30.  
  31. Episode 2:
  32. I’m wondering what your explanation for Rosa seeing golden butterflies is.
  33. #だから、その光景は楼座だけが見ていた。
  34. #Therefore, only Rosa saw that scene.
  35. #
  36. #宙に放り上げたお菓子が、……金色に弾けて…、いや違う。それは黄金の蝶。
  37. #何匹もの黄金の蝶に散り、…それは宙に手をかざす魔女の手に集まっていく。
  38. #The sweet that had been thrown into the air...burst into a gold color...no, that wasn't it. Those were golden butterflies.
  39. #It scattered into several golden butterflies, ...and they began to gather at the witch's hand, which was held up to the sky.
  40. #
  41. #するとそれは、………信じられないことに、………買った時そのままの綺麗な元の姿に戻っていた…。
  42. #楼座と魔女だけがその光景を見ていた。
  43. #And as she did this, ......unbelievably, ......it returned to its beautiful original form, no different from when it had been bought...
  44. #Only Rosa and the witch witnessed that scene.
  45. #楼座は、眼前で起きた出来事が理解できず、開いた口を閉じることも思い出せずにいた…。
  46. #Unable to comprehend what was occurring right before her eyes, Rosa stood with her mouth hanging open, completely forgetting to shut it...
  47.  
  48. A similar thing would be Genji killing golden butterflies in the kitchen after George, Shannon and Gohda left. And keep in mind that golden butterflies don’t exist, meaning it’s not allowed to just be mistaken about them.
  49.  
  50. #配膳台の上に置かれたアイスペールの中から、…小さな黄金の蝶が音もなく、ひらりと現れたのだ。
  51. #それはまるで、譲治たちが飛び出していくのを見届け、自らもこっそり後を追うかのようだった……。
  52. #From inside an ice pail set on the counter, ...a small gold butterfly appeared, softly and silently.
  53. #It was almost as though it had seen George and the rest off...and was trying to secretly chase after them...
  54. #
  55. #一瞬の出来事だった。
  56. #It happened in an instant.
  57. #
  58. #…優雅に羽ばたいていた黄金の蝶は、源次の投げたナイフで昆虫標本の蝶のように壁に縫い止められていた。
  59. #黄金の蝶は、苦しそうに何度か羽ばたいた後、抜け出せないことに観念し、細かな黄金の粉と煙になって、水に溶けるように消えてしまう…。
  60. #...The elegant gold butterfly, flapping its wings, was pinned against the wall by the knife Genji threw, just like a butterfly in a bug collection.
  61. #After the gold butterfly beat its wings several times, looking like it was in pain, it accepted the fact that it couldn't break free, became fine gold powder and smoke, and disappeared as though it had melted into water
  62.  
  63. \\Shkanontrice, thanks to Rosa and all the servants as accomplices, solves the mystery again by simply saying that the door was not really closed.
  64. The manga is a bit weird about it. I do not like the visual of, the door just widely being open. I prefer the idea that the door was closed but not locked. Meaning Rosa faked opening it. And because you like small details so much I will show you something.
  65.  
  66. This is how Rosa tried to open the door.
  67. #楼座は意を決して近付き、そのノブを押したり引いたりしてみる。
  68. #…頑丈な施錠の手応えを感じるだけだった。
  69. #Rosa readied herself and approached, then tried pushing and pulling the knob.
  70. #...All she felt was the resistance of the sturdy lock.
  71.  
  72. While others open doors by twisting the knob.
  73. #== Rosa ==
  74. #「簡単よ。譲治くんだって、帰宅したら施錠するでしょう? 摘みを捻って、カチリとね?」
  75. #"It's simple. George-kun, when you return home, you lock the door, right? You twist the knob, *click*, and you're done, right?"
  76.  
  77. #源次さんは特に扉のそれを嫌がることもなく近付き、ノブを回すが、すぐに首を横に振りながら振り返った。
  78. #Genji-san approached it without seeming particularly troubled by that stuff on it...and turned the knob, but immediately turned around, shaking his head.
  79.  
  80. #譲治は壊れかかった摘みと奮闘する。
  81. #ガタが来てうまく回らなくなっているのだ。
  82. #George struggled with the broken handle.
  83. #Its age showed, and it didn't turn well.
  84. #力任せじゃ駄目だ、ちょっとした角度とかコツの問題なんだ……。
  85. #I can't leave it to strength, it needs the right angle, or there's some trick to it...
  86.  
  87. \\Yasu is a lover of mystery books, there is nothing worse for a mystery fan , outside violate Knox and Dine.
  88. Van Dine does not apply to Umi. Here just some rules that are clearly broken
  89. #Van Dine's 2nd
  90. #No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.
  91. #
  92. #Van Dine's 3rd
  93. #There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.
  94. #
  95. #Van Dine's 4th
  96. #The detective himself, or one of the official investigators, should never turn out to be the culprit. This is bald trickery, on a par with offering some one a bright penny for a five-dollar gold piece. It's false pretenses.
  97. #(this is fun if you consider ep 5)
  98.  
  99. \\ Ep 2 chapel trick
  100. I don’t have much to add here, besides that I really like that idea as an alternative way.
  101.  
  102. \\Kanon killed Jessica, his own personality,
  103. If we go by classical rules this personality should’ve been hinted at or even better already been named. Sayo for example was mentioned in ep 1 in the talk between Shannon and George. And remember that it cannot be Erika or it would break the red, of Erika having no influence on ep 1-4.
  104.  
  105. \\Rosa forced Genji and Shannon to write a document where Kinzo left everything to her.
  106. Funny idea but doesn’t make this much sense. Rosa is the highest ranking right know and thus would have no reason for that. She has all of it regardless of such an document or not.
  107.  
  108. \\This is the great contradiction, Genji is a servant so he can't kill anyone according to Van Dine's rules.
  109. The Umi version only says that the culprit cannot be a servant and Genji is just an accomplice. Umi uses other definitions than you but that doesn’t make it wrong.
  110. I agree that Genji killing isn't nice as solution and Yasu killing them is better. This would also work without a problem because Yasu could murder them right before committing suicide in Natsuhi’s room.
  111.  
  112. \\He put the stake inside Gohda's body but couldn't penetrate Shannon.
  113. Besides the joke, Shannon had a hole in her skull.
  114. #紗音ちゃんの額にはぽっかりと穴が空き、そこから中身がどろりと溢れてくる。
  115. #それどころか、…その中身まで、…見えてしまう。
  116. #There was a gaping hole in Shannon-chan's head, and the insides were dripping out.
  117. #Not only that, ...but you could even see...inside her.
  118.  
  119.  
  120.  
  121. Final words about ep 2. You forgot about the letter in the parlor which also needs to be answered. And for a good theory you would also have to answer why Rosa suddenly stated running. All in all, a rather weak solution for ep 2.
  122.  
  123.  
  124.  
  125. \\Hepel’s raven, Schrödinger’s cat
  126. Hepel’s raven isn’t explained good and R07 really fucked up the used symbols. Using a “=” is just very wrong and I hope you don’t do that as well.
  127. Schrödinger’s cat is just the normal pop culture stuff, that’s always getting described wrong.
  128.  
  129. \\this game people who were innocent on other occasions will become monsters.
  130. Eva acts independent of Yasu in ShKantrice (ep 3) and yes, someone can get murderous with that much money on the line. Just look at ep 7 tea party.
  131.  
  132. \\Eva and Hideyoshi culprit in ep 3
  133. I honestly don't know why the manga claimed that. But I have to admit that I dislike ep 3 because how messy it is. It does not really add up that well.
  134.  
  135. \\Nanjo from outside, who pretended to _nd the chapel key on Kinzo
  136. Simply no. This is prohibited by this red.
  137. #== Beatrice ==
  138. #「<red>マスターキー5本は全て、5人の使用人の懐よりそれぞれ発見された!
  139. #個別の鍵は死体の傍らの封筒の中に!
  140. #つまり、連鎖密室にかかわる全ての鍵が、連鎖密室内に閉じ込められていたわけだ!!
  141. #ドアの隙間だの窓の隙間だの通気口だのッ、そんなところを使って密室外から鍵を戻すことなど出来ぬぞ!!<white>」
  142. #"<red>All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants!
  143. #The individual room keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!
  144. #In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!!
  145. #No key could have been returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents or any place of the sort!!<white>"
  146.  
  147. Or in short. It is not allowed to just pretend, that there was a key found in the room.
  148.  
  149.  
  150. \\There is no means of locking the doors and windows of those six rooms
  151. without the keys
  152.  
  153. It's an unstated rule, that every door can be closed from the inside. It sounds contradicting but a similar thing was said in Bern's game.
  154. #== Bernkastel ==
  155. #「存在しないわ。………うぅん、これじゃ駄目ね。赤き真実で語るわ。」
  156. #<red> 全ての扉の施錠、開錠は、マスターキーでしか行なえない。<white>
  157. #<red> もちろん、部屋の内側からはマスターキーがなくとも、施錠、開錠が可能。<white>
  158. #"No, there isn't. ......Hmm, that's not enough. I'll say it with the red truth."
  159. #<red>All doors can only be locked or unlocked with a master key.<white>
  160. #<red>Of course, it is possible to lock or unlock the doors from inside the room even without a master key.<white>
  161.  
  162. But that's just one of the contradictions the red has. My favorite contradiction is the first ever red statement.
  163. #== Beatrice ==
  164. #「そうだ。だから妾はこれより、
  165. #<red>真実を語る時、赤を使うことにする<white>。」
  166. #"Exactly. So from now on,
  167. #<red>when I speak the truth, I will use red<white>."
  168. This sentence is equivalent to “when something is not red, it’s not the truth”, which is a contradiction.
  169.  
  170. \\a personality cant be stabbed, so sorry Rosatrice but Rosa cant be the culprit.
  171. Funfact: Rosatrice doesn’t use Rosa in ep 3 after this. Thus this doesn’t break it.
  172.  
  173. \\Shkanontrice solves this twilight by saying that Hideyoshi shot and killed Kyrie and Rudolf (ep3)
  174. Another weird manga thing. I prefer the idea that Eva shot Rudolf and Kyire. Then Kyrie fired back and killed Hideyoshi.
  175. This is supported by Eva really pushing the group to go outside and seemingly knowing that Hideyoshi might still be alive.
  176.  
  177. \\she was alive but not only her since Yasu survived too so 2 rifles of the 4 available are broken.
  178. No. Rudolf's rifle was broken and Kyrie grabbed fake bullets in the tea party of ep 7. But there are also some real mixed into them because Kyrie kills Rosa.
  179. Furthermore, there are probably way more rifles in use by the culprit. Just remember the different kind of wounds. Ep 1 to smash the faces, Ep 4 only half the head is remaining or just a normal bullet hole.
  180. \\Ep 3 Natsuhi and Krauss.
  181. Your idea doesn’t work that nicely because George did not go down the stairs. Meaning it’s a weird way to just go around and never use them.
  182. #ならば、ゲストハウスからの譲治の失踪はどう説明するというのか? 赤き真実を追加しよう。
  183. #<red>譲治はゲストハウスの階段を降りてはおらぬ。<white>窓から飛び去ったのだ!」
  184. #In that case, how do you explain George's disappearance from the guesthouse? I shall add to the red truth.
  185. #<red>George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse.<white> He flew out through the window!"
  186.  
  187. \\Absolute possible solution but cringe because in many scenes you see people who eat only canned food.
  188. Eva made coffee for all of them and there she mixed in the missing sleeping pills from Rosa.
  189. #== Eva ==
  190. #「じょ、譲治が…?! 来てないわよ、いつ降りたのよ?!」
  191. #"G-George did...?! No, I didn't see him. When did he come down?!"
  192. #
  193. #== Battler ==
  194. #「……い、いつって…。あれは何時位だったっけ…?」
  195. #"...Wh-When, you say...? Uh, what hour was that, again...?"
  196. #
  197. #== Jessica ==
  198. #「確か、…4時か5時くらいだったかなぁ。…最低でも1時間以上は前だよ…。」
  199. #"I think...it was probably around 4:00 or 5:00. ...At the very least, it was more than an hour ago..."
  200. #
  201. #== Battler ==
  202. #「俺たち、眠くなってその後は多分、居眠りしてたし…。
  203. #"We got sleepy...and probably dozed off after that...
  204. #
  205. #でも多分、朱志香の言う通りだと思うぜ。1時間か2時間くらい前だった。」
  206. #But I think it's probably like Jessica says. About one or two hours ago."
  207. #
  208. #== Nanjo ==
  209. #「わ、私もそのくらいの頃だと記憶しています。コーヒーのお代わりはいるかと聞かれましたからな…。」
  210. #"I-I also remember something from around that time. I was asked if I wanted more coffee..."
  211. For some reason everyone was very sleepy even thought they were all drinking Eva’s coffee.
  212.  
  213. \\Eva ,since Battler was the only one alive (Eva killing Battler)
  214. Doesn’t that make her into a culprit from your definition. The argument also doesn’t work because for that they have to find Nanjo but they were together when Nanjo died. Meaning, both know that there has to be someone else that’s killing.
  215. And the numbers have nothing to do with solving the epitaph.
  216. And you don’t learn about the bomb by finding the gold, as shown by ep 7 tea party. You also don’t learn about Kuwadorian by finding the gold.
  217.  
  218.  
  219.  
  220. Conclusion. You have absolutely no explanation for any of the magic scenes but claim to explain everything. What is the meaning of Rosa and Eva finding the gold, Virgilia vs Beatrice or the resurrection.
  221.  
  222.  
  223.  
  224. \\Like in a murder on the orient express,
  225. Can you please not spoil other stories. There are people that don’t know this (me for example). It’s not a normal thing to read in school over here.
  226.  
  227. \\Everything can be solved with EVERYONE IS THE CULPRIT
  228. Yes, it's a boring trick and makes nearly every person a possible culprit here.
  229. But be assured that when only looking at the question arc, nearly everyone can be made into the culprit from everything without breaking any reds. And one doesn’t need this trick that often.
  230.  
  231. \\ Yasu convinced Eva .... Kyrie .... Rudolf ... to kill
  232. That's no the official solution. Yasu shot everyone them-self and might only got some help from Genji.
  233. I again do not like the Genji idea, but everything can be easily done by only Yasu killing.
  234.  
  235. \\stupid attempt to explain why Kyrie and Jessica had lied about magic
  236. Kyrie and Jessica lied because they got bribed/threatened or were part of a prank. Take the one you like the most or a mixture.
  237.  
  238. \\Destiny Roulette, served by Kumasawa, killed Eva, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Natsuhi then put Kyrie and Krauss to sleep.
  239. Doesn’t that make Kumasawa to a culprit, according to your definition.
  240.  
  241. \\At the well Genji forced Kanon and Shannon to throw Krauss and Kyrie into the well
  242. \\Group break out of the prison and all 4 members, except Kanon, climbed the ladder and exited from the well.
  243. \\desperate, she went into the well, closed the well and reached the gold room where
  244. The well cannot be opened like you said. Battler search for anything but found nothing and because he’s the detective we can assume it to be impossible.
  245. #== Narrator ==
  246. #その古井戸には、頑丈な蓋がされていた。
  247. #The old well had a firm cover on it.
  248. #その蓋は鉄格子で出来ている。
  249. #格子の隙間は20cm四方あるかどうか。中を覗きこむことは出来るが、とても人間が通り抜けられるようなものではなかった。
  250. #The cover was an iron grill.
  251. #The gaps between the bars were perhaps 20 centimeters across. You could peer inside, but it really wasn't something a human could pass through.
  252. #
  253. #何も知らなかったなら、単なる転落防止用の蓋にしか思わなかったろう。
  254. #……しかし俺は、霧江さんに聞かされているから、この奥にある秘密の地下道への侵入者を防ぐためのものだと知っている…!
  255. #If I hadn't known better, I wouldn't have thought it anything more than a simple cover to prevent falls.
  256. #...But from what Kyrie-san had told me, I knew that its purpose was to prevent intruders from entering the secret underground passage in its depths...!
  257. #
  258. #しかしその蓋は非常に頑丈に固定されていて、どんなに押しても引いても、決して外すことが出来ない。
  259. #But the cover was extremely firm and rigid, and no matter how much I pushed or pulled, I couldn't even get close to opening it.
  260. #
  261. #一見、施錠らしきものは見当たらない。
  262. #ひょっとすると、何かの仕掛けで閉ざされているかもしれない。
  263. #I couldn't find any obvious lock.
  264. #It might be sealed by some mechanism.
  265. #
  266. #しかし、いくら調べても、それを解除するような何かは見つけられなかった。
  267. #………霧江さんが、最期の瞬間を賭して俺に伝えてくれた最大の情報が、この井戸の地下道なんだ…!
  268. #But no matter how much I investigated it, I couldn't find anything to release it.
  269. #......The biggest piece of information Kyrie-san had tried to give me, gambling her final moments, ...was the underground passage in this well...!
  270.  
  271. \\closed the shed and through the window with a x trick
  272. This is forbidden by Knox. Either you can easily explain it or you aren’t allowed to use it.
  273.  
  274. \\pushed Jessica against the wall and smashed her head with a kick
  275. A simple kick can’t split a skull.
  276. #受話器が外れて、ぶら下がっている。
  277. #……俺との電話中に、殺されたのだろうか。
  278. #The phone receiver was loose and dangling.
  279. #...Had she been killed while still on the phone with me?
  280. #
  281. #朱志香はすぐその脇の壁に寄りかかるようにして、
  282. #……頭部を半分、ブチまけている。
  283. #Jessica was leaning against the wall right next to it,
  284. #"...with half of her head split open.
  285.  
  286. \\Nanjo was too slow and a bullet from Beatrice hit his back ending his life.
  287. That’s not how he was found.
  288. #……そのすぐ近くに、南條先生と紗音ちゃんの死体があった。
  289. #...and right next to it...were Doctor Nanjo and Shannon-chan's corpses.
  290. #
  291. #二人の死体も、頭部を砕かれている。
  292. #Both corpses had their heads smashed.
  293.  
  294. \\Kyrie managed to escape, however during the chase Kanon managed to hit her in several different points
  295. That’s not how Kyrie was found. The holes were in the wall she was leaning against.
  296. #……霧江さんの状況も、朱志香とそっくりだった。
  297. #...Kyrie-san's situation matched Jessica's perfectly.
  298. #
  299. #俺との電話中に殺されたのだろう。
  300. #受話器がだらしなくぶら下がり、……その脇に霧江さんが、倒れている。
  301. #She'd probably been killed during her phone call with me.
  302. #The receiver was hanging untidily, ...and Kyrie-san lay crumpled in that corner.
  303. #しかし、殺され方が朱志香のそれとは大きく異なった。
  304. #But the way she had been killed was very different from Jessica.
  305. #
  306. #頭部を砕かれてはいない。
  307. #……その代わりに、額に、オカルトめいた装飾の、杭のようなものが打ち込まれている。
  308. #……あまりに惨く、……俺はそれを引き抜いた。
  309. #Her head wasn't smashed.
  310. #...Instead, a stake with an occult design was buried into her forehead.
  311. #...It was so gruesome, ...so I pulled it out.
  312. […]
  313. #実際、この部屋は施錠されていた。
  314. #……そして、……鍵穴から、黄金の糸のようなものが飛び込んできて、襲ってくるというようなことを言っていた。
  315. #In fact, this room had been locked.
  316. #...Also, ...she mentioned a golden thread or something flying in and attacking her.
  317. #
  318. #確かに霧江さんの死体の周辺には、四ヶ所ほど、その攻撃によるものと思われる穴が開いている。
  319. #In fact, there were four places around Kyrie-san's corpse with holes that could have been caused by some kind of attack.
  320. #…………しかし、
  321. #……鍵穴から、
  322. #………黄金の糸が襲って…?
  323. #......But...
  324. #"a golden thread attacked her...
  325. #"...through the keyhole...?
  326.  
  327. Regarding the magic. You haven't explaint any magic between waking up in the dungeon and getting shot in the well. Just some of the things you would have to explain, if you want to meet your claims:
  328. Kanon's magical blade, Shannon and Kanon defending against the chiesters, Krauss vs Goat-kun, meeting with Virgilia
  329.  
  330. \\We discover that he isn't actually Asumo's son but he is still Kinzo's grandson
  331. This is very easy to solve because Battler only needs to be Rudolf’s son for it to work. Rudolf is Kinzo’s son after all. Asumu has nothing to do with being the grandson of Kinzo.
  332.  
  333. \\Battler and after this news Kyrie's mind was too wild for any logic reasons and Kyrie mother's instinct made her sacri_ce for Battler.
  334. Sounds weak to me when we have lines like this.
  335. #== Battler ==
  336. #「………ベアトリーチェと、悪魔と魔女とバケモノどもを、信じろ、と……?」
  337. #"......You're telling me to believe in Beatrice...and demons and witches and monsters...?"
  338. #
  339. #== Kyrie ==
  340. #「私たちは多分。……あれほどまでに、この世ならざるものをありありと見せ付けられても、
  341. #……多分、何も信じることが出来なかったと思うの。……今の私もそう。…さっきから襲ってきて、私の額を撃ち抜こうとするものの正体さえ、
  342. #……私には理解できず、
  343. #………信じられない。
  344. #"...Even after being shown things not of this world so clearly,
  345. #...I think we still weren't able to believe any of it. I'm still like that now. ...The true form of this thing that keeps attacking me, trying to shoot through my forehead,
  346. #...is something I don't understand,
  347. #......and I can't believe it."
  348. #
  349. #だから、
  350. #……あなただけは信じ、理解して、
  351. #………私たちに受け止め切れなかった存在を、
  352. #……受け止めてほしいの。そうしてくれたなら、私たちの死は、無駄にならない。………私も、こうして電話をした甲斐があったというものだわ…。……あツ…!」
  353. #"So,
  354. #...I want you alone to believe, to understand,
  355. #......to accept the existence...
  356. #...of what we couldn't accept. If you do that for me, our deaths won't be wasted. ......It'll also have been worth it for me to make this phone call... ...Ah...!"
  357.  
  358. \\<Among the _ve people in Kyrie's group>
  359. This is another one of the weird usages of people/body. At least the translation isn’t consistent with it.
  360. I don't speak japanese so I can't check but it could be something due to translation.
  361.  
  362. \\makes Kanon the tenth victim.
  363. Rosa, Eva, Hideyoshi, Natsuhi, Rudolf, Jessica and George die before Kanon. Making him the ninth.
  364. I don't understand what you mean here.
  365.  
  366. \\The only wound was a hole in his forehead, too small for all that blood, plus he was under the rain, so since the blood hadn't gone away from clothes.
  367. It was a big hole and remember that blood goes off easily from skin but does not from cloth. There is no indication that something might be odd here.
  368. #兄貴の額には、まるで銃で撃たれたかのような穴がぽっかりと開いていた。
  369. #雨が全て洗い流してしまったせいか、顔面が血塗れということはなく、……そのせいで、眠っているようにさえ見える。
  370. #In Aniki's forehead was a gaping hole, as though he'd been shot with a gun.
  371. #Perhaps because the rain had washed everything away, his face wasn't covered with blood, ...so he looked almost like he was sleeping.
  372. #
  373. #…しかし、服は真っ赤に染まり、大量の血が流れた痕跡を未だに残していた…。
  374. #...However, his clothes were stained a deep red, and there were still signs that a large amount of blood had flowed out...
  375.  
  376. Conclusion. You again missed nearly every magic scene and the corpses in your version don’t even match how Battler found them. And the main thing regarding the well doesn’t work because of Battler’s investigation.
  377. Your Kinzo trick looks nice at first but the characters also talk to him and all the later description of Kinzo going wild don’t work with it.
  378.  
  379. \\Have Maria force her mother to bring sleeping pills and the special tea that in the first game Rosa gave to Kumasawa.
  380. This would imply that Maria would've had to fake tantrums long before this conference because Rosa uses them normally. Doesn’t sound like a nice connection to me.
  381.  
  382. Your roulette also doesn’t look like it could work for ep5/6.
  383. Because none of the possibilities you show were those first twilights.
  384. And it’s not a nice solution to have one simple system and consider 4 different cases just because we have 4 different episodes. It’s about finding patters and not just adding extra cases for every time.
  385.  
  386. Will’s solutions:
  387. \\1 tw, ep 1: George believed that Shannon was alive
  388. But Shannon return to earth because she has a body after all. Meaning it’s not to illusions, like Will said.
  389.  
  390. \\1 tw, ep 2: closed room created by from Rosa's false beliefs
  391. Didn't Erikantrice said, that the door was closed? Meaning this isn’t a lock of illusions.
  392.  
  393. \\1 tw, ep 3: The ring started with Kinzo in the boiler room and ended with Nanjo put the chapel key on him
  394. I don’t see anything overlapping in your solution.
  395.  
  396. \\7-8 tw, ep 3: their mutable killer first was an angel then revails his real demon identity
  397. You could just use the sleeping pills here, to get a mutable blade.
  398.  
  399.  
  400. \\George theory, as you have read, solves easily the first 4 games of Umineko
  401. George doesn't work as the only killing culprit in the QA. He is with Battler too often.
  402. But a theory where only Gohda is the killing culprit is easily possible.
  403.  
  404. \\People chose to die for a trick. . . Natsuhi's tears and despair were fake
  405. Not really. It was all play to attack Natsuhi and all the victims thought it was just a prank.
  406. Thus, they later hid and got later killed by Yasu.
  407.  
  408. \\Shkanontrice says that all ep5 is just an illusion saw by Battler
  409. Battler was an accompliece in this game, meaning he was allowed to lie about the position of Kanon and Shannon. Erika on the other hand only ever saw one of them.
  410. But I agree that this isn't done in a good way most of the time.
  411.  
  412. \\to win the detective must solve the mystery by denying the magic with Human tricks
  413. It's very weird and I'm not absolutely what's the exact idea.
  414. But the reader knows that both theories are wrong, which makes this not a win for the human side.
  415.  
  416. \\The 19th man declares that he will attend the conference but instead Erika arrives and help this man by giving to him deadly assists to accuse Natsuhi
  417. The 19th man has to be someone mentioned in the question arc according to knox. Meaning it cannot be Erika.
  418.  
  419. \\Erika and Beatrice have a lot in common in their personality and past
  420. No. Erika was in a relationship in contrast to Beatrice.
  421. That also has some more different implications because Erika doesn't want to trust anything but the red because her boyfriend might’ve cheated on her.
  422. Beatrice on the other hand wants Battler to remember something and has totally different problems to deal with. They are very different and not at all similar.
  423. And because of their differences they are also opposing each other multiple times (ep 5,6,8)
  424.  
  425. \\Erika did a bad job as a detective, like her only goal was just trying to accuse Natsuhi
  426. This doesn't prove anything.
  427. It's generally said that this is because of Bern but there isn't any problem with Erika being a bad detective.
  428.  
  429. \\George hide himself again under the bed and Erika ran away from the bathroom window
  430. Not possible.
  431. #== Narrator ==
  432. #そして、窓には鎧戸が閉められ、外からは何も出来ず、また、異常も認められなかったことを、……たった一人で確認してきたのだ。
  433. #And she had gone all by herself to check that the shutter was down on the window, that you couldn't do anything with it from the outside, ...and that there was nothing out of the ordinary.
  434. #
  435. #== Erika ==
  436. #「室内は、案の定、お約束で……?」
  437. #"Is the inside of the room just like usual...?"
  438. #
  439. #== Battler ==
  440. #「……そういう言い方はねぇだろ。」
  441. #"...There's no need to say it like that."
  442. #
  443. #== Erika ==
  444. #「お悔やみ申し上げます。
  445. #"My deepest condolences.
  446. #
  447. #== Erika ==
  448. #で? 室内の状況は?」
  449. #So? What's the situation inside the room?"
  450. #
  451. #== Battler ==
  452. #「………………………。」
  453. #"............"
  454. #
  455. #== Kyrie ==
  456. #「……扉にはチェーンが掛かっていて、私たちは切断して入ったわ。」
  457. #"...The chain was set on the door, so we cut it and entered."
  458. #
  459. #== Rudolf ==
  460. #「そして窓には全て鎧戸。しっかり内側から施錠されてる。」
  461. #"And all the windows have the shutters down. They're locked tight from the inside."
  462. Keep in mind that Erika is still the detective and when she says that they are closed, they are closed.
  463.  
  464. \\George after the murder of his father either committed suicide or killed his personality
  465. Not possible. George is confirmed dead right before Hideyoshi is killed.
  466. #== Virgilia ==
  467. #<red>譲治、朱志香、真里亞、楼座、源次の死体は、誰が見ても、一目で死亡が確認できる<white>、というわけですね。」
  468. #So, <red>anyone looking at George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, or Genji's corpses could confirm at a glance that they are dead<white>."
  469. #
  470. #== Beatrice ==
  471. #「うむ? 赤か? まぁ、お師匠様にケチっても始まらぬ。
  472. #"Hmm? Red? Well, there's no point in me holding out against you.
  473. #
  474. #== Beatrice ==
  475. #そうとも、
  476. #That's right
  477. #
  478. #== Beatrice ==
  479. #<red>死んだフリなど絶対にありえぬ、誰もが一目で死亡を確認できる死体であるわ。<white>」
  480. #<red>at a glance, anyone could confirm that these corpses are dead, so it's absolutely impossible that they're just playing dead.<white>"
  481.  
  482. \\George commited all the murders in ep5 so Erika is just an accomplice
  483. And we also have this, making any easy personality kill impossible.
  484. #== Gertrude ==
  485. #<red>犠牲者は全員、他殺なりや。<white>」
  486. #<red>All victims' deaths were homicides.<white>"
  487.  
  488. \\very simple Erika is not the detective but the accomplice
  489. #== Bernkastel ==
  490. #「<red>古戸ヱリカは探偵であることを宣言するわ。<white>」
  491. #"<red>I proclaim that Furudo Erika is the detective.<white>"
  492.  
  493. \\it is what allowed Erika to be the detective and at the same time implement her plan against Natsuhi
  494. What is nice about Erika being Detective and accompliece.
  495. And why do you call this Erikantrice if your culprit doesn't even act in ep 5.
  496.  
  497. \\red truth of ep4 stated that Genji,Kumasawa and Nanjo are not culprit even if we know their agreemtns with Yasu
  498. Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo are accomplices.
  499. But you say that EriKanon is the main culprit except for one game.
  500.  
  501. \\Natsuhi is not the gamemaster, so every single red truth she says must be supported by evidences as explained by Dlanor,
  502. That explanation from Dlanor is just another problem with the red.
  503. In ep 5 they use a lot of unsupported reds. And your theory doesn’t fix most of them.
  504.  
  505. \\Think about the situation, you have spent years and resources to solve this puzzle when a girl appears out of nowhere and in one night solves it and in addition she doesn't want a single gold bar,
  506. That's just the intellectual rapist part. She is only interested in solving puzzles.
  507. And by the way. The adults could easily solve the epitaph if they really tried. Just look at ep 7 tea party.
  508.  
  509. \\Lambda stops them saying that there is no clue in any fragment on how to find Kinzo's homeland
  510. Taiwan wasn't said in the QA but there were some very cryptic hints about it.
  511.  
  512. \\The epitaph was written only for Genji, only he knew about Taiwan
  513. Genji said it to Yasu because it was a way to give them everything without walking into the problems of explaining why.
  514. And Rosa knew about it as well.
  515. #== Rosa ==
  516. #「…………お父様の懐かしい故郷はわかるのよ。
  517. #"...I know where Father's beloved hometown is.
  518.  
  519. \\Erika in no way could solve the riddle so the only solution was to know the answer from the beginning
  520. #== Lambdadelta ==
  521. #「ベルンはね、ここで碑文の謎を解いちゃったのよ。……さすが、奇跡の魔女ね。“解ける謎であるならば、難易度に関係なく必ず解ける”。
  522. #"This is where Bern solved the riddle of the epitaph. ...I'd expect no less from the Witch of Miracles. `If a riddle is solvable, she can solve it without fail, regardless of the difficulty'.
  523.  
  524. \\in the 3rd game an 11 digit number appears on the door of the room where George's body was found, Eva wrote down this number and in the 4th chapter we understand that it was also a password to get some money from Yasu
  525. The PIN is 07151129 which has 8 digits and it’s to get the money from the bank (not Yasu). It further doesn’t have anything to do with how you solve the epitaph. For that you need the word Quadrillion. Ep 7 explains the process of solving in more detail.
  526.  
  527. \\the red truth the window was sealed existed
  528. It wasn’t stated like that.
  529. #== Dlanor ==
  530. #しかし、<red>“窓が降雨後に開かれたことはない”<white>という赤き真実を、私は窓を守っていたコーネリアに持たせていマシタ。」
  531. #the red truth that <red>`the window was never opened after it started RAINING'<white>."
  532.  
  533. \\first of all the red truth must not lie or this will cause a logic error, second only the game-master can create it
  534. If you try to lie with the red you choke on your words (look at ep 3). But it’s really inconsistent with those rules.
  535. The red could also be used by the detective, a random other witch, a culprit, a random piece (Hideyoshi ep 3, Natsuhi ep 5) or Battler even without knowing anything (ep 4)
  536.  
  537. \\detective uses a seal on a door then not even the gamemaster can open it
  538. They can open the door, but it would break the seal and in a fair mystery that would have to be visible and the gamemaster has to tell the other player.
  539.  
  540. \\Bernkastel who is not the game master, didn't control the culprit as a pawn but most importantly did't know a nothing about Yasu's truth?
  541. She also says unsupported reds that aren’t covered by your idea.
  542. #「<red>夏妃。
  543. #金蔵があんたの心に、片翼の鷲を刻むことを、いつ許したっての?
  544. #あんたの妄想の中の金蔵の言葉でしょうが、それは。
  545. #……本当の金蔵はね。
  546. #生涯、ただの一度も!
  547. #あんたを心の底から信頼したこともないし、
  548. #あんたに紋章を許そうと思ったことも、ただの一度もないわ!<white>」
  549. #"<red>Natsuhi,
  550. #when did Kinzo ever say it was okay for you to engrave the One-Winged Eagle into your heart?
  551. #Those were just the words of the Kinzo from your delusions, weren't they?
  552. #...You know, the real Kinzo...
  553. #Not once in his entire life
  554. #did he ever trust you from the bottom of his heart,
  555. #and not once did he ever consider letting you bear the family crest!<white>"
  556.  
  557. And another thing that’s said from Battler side is this.
  558. #== Asmodeus ==
  559. #「<red>譲治は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  560. #"<red>After George's death, his corpse was never moved!<white>"
  561. #
  562. #== Beelzebub ==
  563. #「<red>朱志香は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  564. #"<red>After Jessica's death, her corpse was never moved!<white>"
  565. #
  566. #== Mammon ==
  567. #「<red>真里亞は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  568. #"<red>After Maria's death, her corpse was never moved!<white>"
  569. #
  570. #== Belphegor ==
  571. #「<red>楼座は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  572. #"<red>After Rosa's death, her corpse was never moved!<white>"
  573. #
  574. #== Satan ==
  575. #「<red>源次は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  576. #"<red>After Genji's death, his corpse was never moved!<white>"
  577. #
  578. #== Leviathan ==
  579. #「<red>蔵臼は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!<white>」
  580. #"<red>After Krauss's death, his corpse was never moved!<white>"
  581. #
  582. #== Lucifer ==
  583. #「<red>よって、遺体発見後に遺体が消失することはありえないッ!!
  584. #"<red>Therefore, the corpses couldn't have vanished after being discovered!!
  585. #
  586. #== Lucifer ==
  587. #貴様の推理、遺体は金蔵が運び出したは、破綻する!<white>」
  588. #Your theory about Kinzo carrying the corpses away fails!<white>"
  589.  
  590. This would mean that Battler has to be a culprit as well by your logic.
  591.  
  592.  
  593. Conclusion. I’m very disappointed. I hoped that the theory is at least able to be consistent with the reds from the question arc. You also claim to have use the heart really good but ignore almost all the magical scenes.
  594. It’s also said how often you want to use details but those are just false or don’t mean anything.
  595.  
  596. It has similar problems like the og manifest and doesn’t fix any of the problems regarding reds. But it cuts out a lot of the trans and homophobic shit which was a nice thing.
  597. I would recommend to not be like “EriKantrice solves this perfectly” because that only sets expectations which aren’t met in any way. Mainly because nearly all the time I could mention a detail you didn’t use but claim you have used all.
  598.  
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