Newverse

23:30	Sylum	Well, me and Eri been talking about an idea she had a long while ago
23:30	Sylum	something we feel can help get things going again here
23:30	Sylum	Brand New Universe
23:31	Sylum	different setting and such
23:32	Bud	Reimagining couldn't hurt..
23:33	Eridana	Not rebranding like a fuggin nu52 mess
23:33	Sylum	You have that ranking thing bud? like, even if you stopped doing it do you remember the ranks?
23:33	Eridana	Just something now that we're wiser about how to do this shit
23:33	Sylum	Cause one idea was making it like OPM, a ranking system for public heroes
23:33	Sylum	Yeah, what Eri said
23:33	Bud	Ranking?
23:34	Oyuun	the power ranking list
23:34	Eridana	Yeah remember you were coming up with a rank system.
23:34	Bud	Oh right, I suddenly got busy and it slipped my mind
23:34	Sylum	eh, real life always outclasses this place
23:34	Eridana	It'd be a good basis for something like this.
23:35	Bud	I'll work on it again
23:35	Sylum	maybe give a reasoning for teams
23:35	Bud	How would we go about the re-structuring?
23:35	Sylum	Companies funding hero groups
23:35	Bud	It would be more fresh than re-working everything currently
23:35	Eridana	That is something we'd have to discuss so everyone is happy with what we do.
23:36	Eridana	Because the biggest mistake early covengers had
23:36	Eridana	was self-appointed leaders
23:36	Oyuun	agreed
23:36	Eridana	So we need to factor eberybobby's wishes in
23:37	Sylum	We're missing Wells, and Annu
23:37	Sylum	Haze too
23:38	Sylum	I'll log this just in case
23:38	Eridana	I wouldn't want to make anything concrete unless everyone heard
23:38	Eridana	Das shite
23:38	Bud	Still good as a talking point until then
23:38	Eridana	Ye
23:39	Eridana	And I can't be around for RPs, but I can help work on this when I've got time free
23:39	Sylum	Would we make characters related to our current ones, or new in general?
23:40	Eridana	I guess that could just be up to personal preference.
23:40	Bud	I don't see why you couldn't just port over existing ones and tweak as you like
23:41	Oyuun	Yep.
23:41	McGoFuckYourself	I'd rather something completely new than just a re-imagining or recreation of previous ones
23:42	Oyuun	We would still have the original covengers timeline to toy with now and then, right?
23:42	Eridana	We'll leave it up to the individual.
23:42	Eridana	Freedom is key.
23:42	Sylum	it'd probably have similar events here and there
23:43	Sylum	it could probably be an open ground to 100% abandoned characters
23:43	Sylum	fixing those we threw in the trash?
23:43	Eridana	TRESH
23:43	Eridana	Yeah if that is what you want to do, then you should be free to.
23:43	Oyuun	Since I do like the idea of revisiting the old stuff here and there
23:43	Oyuun	I have an attachment to my main fuggos a bit
23:44	Oyuun	but I know it might be weird to have them in the new-verse
23:45	TheLantern	so, are all hero teams corporate funded?
23:45	Bud	I can get that. I'd still say tweaking existing characters to fit the new setting would be viable tho
23:45	Sylum	that was One idea Lants
23:45	Sylum	explain why there are teams in the first place
23:46	Oyuun	If I'm honest?
23:46	Bud	Could make it a lot closer to the original Covengers design
23:46	Oyuun	We never had a justice league type
23:46	Oyuun	aegis wanted to be
23:46	Bud	Oppressive megacorportation cities (Shadowrun my shit up)
23:46	Oyuun	so did the hero element
23:46	Oyuun	but they really didn't
23:46	McGoFuckYourself	Evos were more street-level justice league sort of deal
23:47	McGoFuckYourself	Hell, Darwin hall was intentinally designed after the hall of Justice
23:47	Bud	nah hero element was Always Sunny boys
23:47	Oyuun	I almost like
23:47	Oyuun	internally put the Evos as like teen titans
23:47	Bud	I wouldn't exactly call the Evos street-level, which is what made them a viable justice league setup
23:47	Bud	Because they /could/ fight big mans
23:48	Oyuun	so I admit I do want to posit this
23:48	Oyuun	having a whole bunch of teams every which way might not be the best idea off the bat
23:48	Oyuun	it worked when we had 60 people
23:49	Eridana	That was a point I brought up
23:49	Eridana	If we have teams
23:49	Eridana	There should be a REASON for teams. Like if they are competing or something.
23:49	Eridana	Not just for the sake of it.
23:49	Oyuun	the current state of covengers
23:49	Oyuun	is a whole bunch of independent people, and a whole bunch of 2-3 person teams
23:49	Oyuun	all disconnected
23:50	Oyuun	and said teams don't even meet up
23:50	TheLantern	we could make a set of teams, all under one banner
23:50	Oyuun	with the exception of evos really
23:50	Oyuun	but even then its, uh, mostly me and guff there
23:50	TheLantern	like, the justice leaguye, justice league europe, justice league detroit, justice league anarctica
23:51	Oyuun	so I feel like wanting a whole bunch of teams off the bat is a little ambitious
23:52	Oyuun	I'd prefer we centralize a little more
23:52	Oyuun	at least give us a chance to not be distant fuglords
23:52	TheLantern	just one team?
23:52	TheLantern	like....the covengers?
23:52	Sylum	cheesy
23:52	Sylum	but I like it
23:53	Bud	We started with like
23:53	Bud	16-18 teams
23:53	Bud	Natural progression to whittle em now
23:53	Sylum	Oh shit, did we?
23:53	Sylum	I remember like, 5, 6
23:53	Oyuun	I think we had 12
23:53	Oyuun	to start
23:53	TheLantern	I thought we have 6, yeah
23:53	Bud	And they all had their own islands..
23:54	Sylum	11 technically, wasnt the 12th the God Team?
23:55	McGoFuckYourself	Started off with 11, because it was a 2d6 that was rolled
23:55	McGoFuckYourself	then it got halved when things were compressed
23:56	Eridana	Why don't we
23:56	Eridana	Let teams form naturally
23:56	Eridana	Instead of premaking them
23:57	TheLantern	hmm
23:57	TheLantern	teams forged in the fire of battle?
23:57	Bud	Make characters first: Assign position from there
23:58	Eridana	Teams crafted from actual character interactions.
23:58	Sylum	Das nice
23:59	Sylum	another thing of notice, the Setting
23:59	Sylum	Neon is a City/Beach area, maybe Newverse should be different?
23:59	Oyuun	well most hero comics tend towards city + ocean
00:00	Oyuun	both because NYC is a biased fuckhole
00:00	Oyuun	and because it does have a lot of options
00:00	Bud	Chicago
00:00	Bud	Detroit
00:00	Bud	A snowy hellhole
00:00	TheLantern	texas
00:01	McGoFuckYourself	City+Ocean works because people tend to accumulate towards water. S'like the ocean makes for damn good trade or summin'
00:02	Sylum	Maybe a Springfield type area? Everything you can need in a horrible city
00:02	Sylum	mountains, snow, deserts
00:02	TheLantern	also allows for different settings, in one place
00:02	TheLantern	you need a bank robbery? yer set
00:03	TheLantern	robot nazis invading from the beachfront?
00:03	TheLantern	yer goo!
00:03	Eridana	>City with terrible radiation plant leaking waste everywhere, crime in the streets constantly, constantly changing geography and confirmed supernatural phenomenon
00:04	Eridana	It's perfect
00:04	Bud	I told you to stop talking about Pripyat
00:04	Sylum	I was half joking, I didn't expect a great idea to spawn
00:04	Eridana	But Bud
00:04	Eridana	Prime real estate!
00:04	Bud	B-but the
00:04	Bud	The bears
00:06	Sylum	giant radioactive superbears
00:09	Sylum	what should the cities name be?
00:10	Eridana	That's another thing
00:10	Eridana	Will it stay a single city or multiple cities
00:10	Eridana	Because I know that Supoc had multiple that sounded really cool
00:11	Sylum	multiple cities might be a bit harder to run, but boy would it give more options
00:12	Oyuun	in the original supoc yeah, it actually spanned the whole country
00:12	McGoFuckYourself	Koilapolis
00:12	Oyuun	but we did end up going into an alt universe based entirely on one team
00:12	Oyuun	later on
00:12	Oyuun	like, everybody lived in one spot, one team
00:12	Oyuun	and stuff branched out from there
00:13	Oyuun	eventually got other teams going around the world but there was kind of a central point
00:13	Oyuun	meanwhile original supoc was the whole united states since everything was blasted to shit and the scope was on post-apocalyptic nations
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00:15	Oyuun	it can totally work
00:15	Bud	what if we dialed it back from post apoc and made a newverse in more of a war-torn Earth where everything isn't COMPLETELY fucked just vastly different
00:16	Bud	Like a small WW3 is currently ongoing which has allowed corporations to retain large amounts of power in the modern age or something
00:17	Oyuun	we did sorta dial down to the alt verse with the one team because we faced a similar problem as we do right now
00:17	Oyuun	the original supoc model needed 50 people
00:17	Oyuun	we had 12
00:18	Oyuun	the WW3 world could be interesting, but it does seem like a lot more of the effort would go to be explaining the state of things
00:19	Oyuun	we'd need to have an agreed upon chronology of fucking shit
00:20	Eridana	As well as key characters and factions in the war
00:20	Bud	What about the Justice League-like of newverse being corp run, thus making people in it pro-corp, and another group trying to also do well but without corp support thus being anti-corp without either being the badguys
00:20	Bud	Just suggestions, not trying anything
00:21	Sylum	anti corp I can see being like Team 5
00:21	Sylum	Rentavengers
00:21	Oyuun	O
00:22	Oyuun	I am a bit iffy on the corp stuff
00:22	Oyuun	especially if they are left intentionally shady and vague with no clear leader again
00:22	Oyuun	since nobody gained from that last time
00:23	Bud	Just be more upfront this time
00:23	Bud	Akin to the Dragon CEO's of Shadowrun
00:24	Eridana	My name is CORPORATE CACODEMON
00:24	Bud	Big, greedy and powerful but partially justified in their actions, and very likely needed in the modern world
00:24	Eridana	I would legit love a comically shady and terribly run corp headed by a demon prince or demon lord
00:24	Eridana	Just to poke fun at the past
00:24	Oyuun	also I should maybe stop being devil's advocate
00:25	Oyuun	but they ain't really justice league-y if they are kowtowing to shady demon boss
00:25	Eridana	The Justice League bowed to the demon Kal-El
00:25	Oyuun	listen lex
00:25	Oyuun	hush
00:26	Oyuun	would we be able to have a kinda independent just heroes team, or would the dichotomy be purely between corp lackeys and low-level vigilantes
00:27	Oyuun	just wanna make sure we have options, I mean
00:27		Oyuun is tired and probably sounds like a dick and is sorry for it
00:28	Sylum	nah you not being dick
00:28	Sylum	you're bringing up good points
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00:30	Oyuun	hope that was a netdrop I do
00:31	Oyuun	Having super shady demon prince corporation is fine but having them be the main benefactors of the hero side seems to just be inviting the same old xenon issues
00:31	Sylum	yeah, I can get that
00:32	Oyuun	where the evos are pretty much spotless but in the canon they are presumed to allow yugenex to do as they do
00:33	Oyuun	which makes their legitimate heroism be put under a shitty light
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00:33	Sylum	wbwb
00:33	Oyuun	welcome back!
00:33	Bud	MY NET
00:33	Bud	whatd i miss
00:34	Oyuun	http://mibpaste.com/RGCEVt
00:34	Oyuun	have this!
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00:35	Oyuun	bud pls
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00:36	Eridana	oh when i was talking about shady demon corp
00:36	BUD	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
00:36	Eridana	I just meant on the side as a joke
00:36	Eridana	no big player
00:36	BUD	finally i can do this
00:36	BUD	>shady demon prince corp ceo
00:36	BUD
00:37	Oyuun	Ahhhhh
00:37	Eridana	YES
00:37	Eridana	HE RETURNS
00:37	Sylum	heehehe
00:37	Oyuun	Then yeah I'm good on that
00:37	Oyuun	OH NO HIM