okay so no max we don't need UI because

I specifically you don't want that so I

specifically wrote the first version is

to use slash commands because

I want to test the system first and see

if we like it as a foundation and then

built UI otherwise if we build the UI

first and then we decide we hate the

underlying system waste of time so okay

so okay so the basically the I broke it

into I started by breaking into two

parts right so I've got city building

multiplayer city building and

multiplayer world buildings right those

are kind of two separate similar but

unconnected but separate vectors we have

to go down and then each of those there

turned out to be so much work there that

I broke them into phase 1 and phase 2

and then I went back and looked at phase

1 and decided it was still too heavy so

I made a phase 1.5 I probably should

have made it 1 2 and 3 but I didn't so

anyway so there's like six parts there's

city building 11.5 and 2 we're old

building 11.5 and 2 and I put them in

priority order and I kind of leapfrog

between the two so it goes city building

1 world building 1 city building 1.5

we're all building 1.5 city building 2

world building to that make sense sort

of it's not really but anyway all right

all you have to do is start at the

beginning and make the stuff in order

and the phases numbers don't make any

difference

all right so okay so I went through

first I just put down the basic

definitions of stuff that's already in

and working like here's the world grid

here's the world grid here's what a

parcel is the world owner who's called a

monarch the fact that we have district

overall global restrictions right so you

can set your world public or private if

you say public it means anybody can come

in unless they're on the banned list if

you said it private it means the only

people who can come in are the people on

the allowed players list that all works

already so I'm building on that as a

base so I also like I defined a term of

a noble as being a person who has been

given world building access on this

world so if I have a kingdom and I want

you to be able to draw parcels on it I

call that

nobles list so it means you remember the

already on the loud player and on top of

that you've been given nobel access

which means you can add and drop parcels

and then I did the same thing at the

city building level with vassals which

is if you're the if you're Noble and you

drop a parcel you're that parcel owner

and then you have a vassals list which

is people who are allowed to drop

buildings on their right you with me so

far so okay so let's just to go through

it so everybody's got it so I got the

world has a monarch actually we'll put

the monarch up here so the monarch we

can think of as the admin repair the

world owner then the ultimate root-level

world owner alright so that's the the

world has the monarch underneath that

then you've got a list of allowed

players and that's just people who can

log-in inside that you have an admin

right which is a noble and then of those

Nobles they can drop a parcel and they

are the parcel owner and underneath that

you can have a list of vassals who are

already on the allowed players list it's

really not that bad it seems kind of bad

but when you go through it it's pretty

pretty standard stuff like it's the same

type of thing you'd see in an operating

system like units I have a bunch of

users or some of them have admin so are

you thinking maybe like no the amount of

nobles is like the token limit no four

or five eventually we'll probably have a

limits and I put that stuff in a 1.5 the

second phase which is to put weight

limits on so for example if I make you a

noble I can say and I'm only giving you

access to be able to drop up to 20 cells

a cell being one of these grid squares

I'm only letting you drop up to 20 cells

worth of parcels and then I let Bentley

in he's gonna be a noble but I don't

trust him as much okay I mean who would

right and I'm only gonna give him like

five five cells it is it marked off and

I can't touch him and he can't touch not

right now so that's so phase one is just

if I make you a noble you have full

control over the world I can still kick

you out and I can move your stuff around

and you can

move your own stuff around but you can

place it anywhere there's no restriction

on placement and initially there's no

restriction on how much the quantity or

location but once I placed it Tommy the

horrible no will be crime in you can't

change it I can move your stuff you can

move your stuff I can I can pick up your

stuff you can pick up your stuffs he

can't and vice versa right so version

1.5 then is when I added the capacity

limits so it's I can now you can put on

20 and you can put a five and then phase

two was adding regions where I can

define an area as a north and say John

you can only use your 20 cells within

this region which I saw me you can only

use your five cells down here in the

South right so eventually we get there

but I tried to build it as layers of the

onion so anyhow usually you've circled

back around to some of the original

ideas and thoughts that you had you yeah

I mean if effectively I've tried to

simplify it down to the essence and I've

tried to stage it out in complexity so

that we're building towards it because

we have players then playing right now

right yeah so the next version that

comes out they're gonna have vendors so

they can drop in there in their own

their own kingdoms but there's no

multiplayer or

ability so it's going to kind of be the

whole loop like I can go to a campaign

world and I get resources I can take

them to you and you can craft them you

can put stuff in your vendor and then

Tommy can come to your world and buy it

that'll work but if you actually think

through it as a player it means that

every player will have their own Kingdom

with their own shop and their own vendor

to login to that's not a very good

shopping experience right it's not like

it's worse than it's not even it's not a

mall it's worse than even like a farmers

market like it's literally having to go

from one farm to the next to the next to

buy every to look and shop for

everything so that's that's kind of

crappy so that's why I put a city

building one as the first thing on the

list so let's start with that one

actually so so I also did a thing here

about taxes I mentioned taxes vendors

has sales tax built the vendor system

that's about to come online does have a

sales tax system in it but initially the

only taxes supported his system tax

which is the basically the overall

charge that we that the system takes so

having a parcel owner tax and then a

Kingdom

tax we're laying the foundation for it

but those come online and later phases

to is that automatic the system tax is

automatic so there's a just and I don't

remember what it's sent to but it's like

you know seven percent or something like

that if any transaction there's a tax

that's just taken out by the system on

top of that the parcel owner will be

able to have a knob where they can say I

want from zero to one hundred percent of

additional tax and then the Kingdom

owner can say and I want an additional 0

to 100 percent on top of that as well so

that'll be something that is negotiated

between the players like I can if I'm

the parcel owner and I want you to come

bring your shop here I can say I'm gonna

offer you a break I'll make it only 5

percent or whatever so that's really

cool I think it is cool so longer-term

we're gonna want to give them more

granularity and I can say on Tommy's

shop it's ten percent but on your shop

it's five of course right because that's

what I would do but that's an eventual

thing initially you know we're gonna

start with just the system and then

we'll add in the the overall simple knob

and then we'll get granular later make

sense oh yeah okay very cool city

building one then so parcel owner can

grant any player that's on the allowed

player list the rights to build that

makes them ennoble I came up with just a

series of simple slash commands to use

to manage that list right now it's the

stuff you would expect view the list add

to the list remove from a list I put in

here that we need a new mode of building

manipulation which is moving a building

so right now right I drop a building in

the parcel and in order to do that I use

a deed it shows up ghost form that I can

drag it around and when it as long as it

turns blue which was broken but that's

fixed now we think it was in the last

version remember it was really like it

would take you two hours to find a spot

oh yeah okay great

so okay so I could drop it and I could

drag it around when I was done I would

say go here so in order to keep the

inventory from exploding into this giant

unbelievable tree we don't let you read

heed that building if you have vendors

or containers that have stuff on though

all right you have to clear all that out

first so here's the problem is it

created an unbelievable

tree-like let's say I put a vendor there

and the vendor has a list of items Yeti

stores and in that list of items is a

building with the vendor with a list of

items and in that vendor he's got a

building so it became a giant ridiculous

problem very quickly it said yes a

nightmare and so it also became a furry

infinite container I don't know why

would I need a bank I just took

everything on my vendor so we've had to

go around we've had to fix those

problems if one of the fixes is any

containers including vendors and chests

that are in this thing if you want to

pick this thing up and read it you have

to empty those out first your vendor can

stay there your furniture can stay there

but you have to empty the containers out

are we thinking everybody be in some

sort of UI so once you pick it up it

gives you an option to say clear out or

you have to go in there on the

eventually we can make it cleaner but

right now if you want to pick up this

building and read it to move it to

another world you have to clean it out

okay you know collectively all the

furniture you only answer to me now I go

down there and remove it yep dad you

update yeah you go up to it it's glued

is what it's calling right now G

Toulouse we probably need to fix that

text at some point to say like you know

g2 redid this object or whatever okay so

I've got this object to the Lumix if I

want to pick it up and read it then I

have to clear it out but if I'm the

parcel owner and I let you build a

building right here and I decided that I

want Tommy hammering up props I want him

to build his building right here I need

you to move your building you're not

even online right now I can't be stuck

so I need to be able to move that

building but now we've got a problem if

I'm the parcel owner I don't want to

have to clear out all of the items and

your containers and your vendors

especially I know where to just move

this thing to feet and you told me to

move ten minutes ago and I just set it

up and now I got a log off right exactly

so that's that caused a bunch of

problems so our way to fix that is we

need to add a movement mode for

buildings and assets so that instead of

actually reading and picking it up I can

just grab it it'll go back into ghost

form and I can slide it around without

picking it up and for that we don't need

to clear anything out just for nudging

yeah right it's for nudging if I even

talked about making the Avatar run up to

it and using their shake the tree

animation

actually just shove the building and

sliding it over but we as funny as I was

we thought it'd be to paint what I

really liked about it this idea which i

think is gonna be really great is this

is gonna make actual city building much

more easy yeah I think it'll be a lot

easier

maybe when those kind of tight little

buildings that kind of connect to each

other that they're gonna want to make

yeah I'll get that kind of old city

feeling all right this is gonna be way

easy I know it just it just wasn't dealt

out that I wasn't really workable so

that's why I put this in phase one even

though technically they could have

gotten away with building cities without

it I think it would have been too such a

pain towards a variance that it way more

arduous and unnecessarily kind of and

this is going to get yeah painful this

is gonna get closer to what I would be

doing it you know if I'm creating a

scene when you build it I mean I'm just

dragging him around and just you know

rotating him and get him to look all

nice and pretty they're gonna if they

can have that kind of same ability

that's gonna be fantastic right so how

hard I guess that's my next question

they'll say painful no nothing no it's

gonna take a little bit of time because

we no longer store the socket

connections in a tree structure it's

basically just flat lists nothing you

said makes any sense Alice oh you need

to change the way that we stored the

connections between buildings okay yes

so that is gonna make it more

challenging because you have to go

there's a base it there you're gonna go

back and make it to where you continue

to store those you're gonna try and

rebuild them because this is for other

things that you've added the building

right like crafting tables and you know

you added a flagpole out front and well

this is the same problem we just hit as

he was creating the vendor so it's

attachable attaching to attach pulse

right that was the issue yeah well

because so when you sock it to a

building adds to a list okay or one of

two lists and there's a list for all the

attachments that this building is

attached to some kinds a list of all

other buildings that this building is

attached to right the standalone

buildings like to wall segments shows

because technically those the difference

is an attachable can't exist in the

world unless it's attached to a building

whereas those connected buildings can

yeah right X well yeah that's

and so I guess well part of the question

is I guess is when you're picking up a

building how far out do you want to pick

up like do you want to unlocking it from

everything except at actuals yes

attachable should stay connected but

connected buildings should not just as

if you have read it air you and dropped

it from a deed because if you deed it if

Yuri if you read it you put it back into

your inventory it keeps the attachment

race right but it disconnects from other

connected right but if you had a wall

segment socket it to another wall

segment and you did the move on one of

them it wouldn't no should remove both

because that would be fairly horrendous

and really actually hard to manage it

sounds convenient but if you have a full

Simonelli around and you're moving one

piece and it causes like a ripple effect

you'll never be able to find a way to

place it especially if that right one of

the assets in the distance is not even

loaded

by which because yeah it could be

connected to something that on the

server that is not even on your client

yeah so if you made the Great Wall of

China for example yeah so the fact that

you would only be picking up the

attached wills and the decorations when

you move it makes it a little bit

simpler but we're still going to need to

rework a little bit how the socket

connections are stored okay otherwise so

like the issue that max had brought up

was with vendors we put an annex on the

ground and then we had the stall which

wasn't attachable and we changed that

yeah then we had the vendor which was an

attachable and that vendor would attach

to the stall so it's now an attachable

attached turn attached right of course

we never had before

okay so this was technically a bug in

the past but we never knew it so when

you because we've never tried that code

fat right alright so for example when

you hover over a building that you've

placed it highlights right uh-huh so

that you know you can interact with it

and so right now what it does is says

all of my attachable like do my

highlight then tell all of my tangibles

to do their highlight which then tells

all of their attached bulls to do their

highlight yeah and if you have an

attachable connected to

attachable you now have a circle because

the vendor the vendor is being told to

highlight and in his attach modes list

is a stall and so the stall is getting

told to highlight so the so an

attachable has a link back to its parent

as what you're saying

and any building has a list of what it's

connected to

right but it's not just a list of the

things that are down it also it's a

two-way connection so I put the building

I add the stall I put the vendor here's

my vendor

now here's building attachable vendor

right so the vendor says to the stall

hey you're connected to me so you need

to highlight so these guys are stuck in

a traffic you just go down the chain

till this thing tells its children and

this thing tells its children and it's

done right right okay so I get that so

there's some work there okay so in terms

of base what we just said though they

don't have to have the move building

they can get around it it's just really

really obnoxious so what I would do is

I'll reorder this list it's still going

to be part of phase one I don't want to

go out without it but to get us up and

running more quickly I would suggest we

do the basileus management stuff first

because then we can actually get in and

start to test that and see are there

other issues like I decide I want to

move this building but I don't know that

John who's a noble and this is his but

I'm the world owner or the parcel owner

he's he's a he's a building owner let's

say if I'm in the middle of moving his

building and he logs in and now he's

trying to move it

there could be locking issues right so

I'd sent a note about this one not just

to you but to Steven as well asking like

do we need to lock that asset so that if

he tries to use it it says sorry Todd's

already moving it yeah whatever so

there'll be some weird oddities like

that they come out but I guess that

won't come up we add the moving anyway

so anyhow would we do that

the it's so the thing is the movement as

far as I know so tell me if I'm wrong

but the movement of a building is not

actually happening on the server on the

client I'm saying hey I want to move

this building and the clients like okay

tell me where you want it and when

you're done figuring out what

put it I'll let the server know you

moved it so that means that I'm in ghost

mode let's say and I'm dragging this

thing around server doesn't care the

server doesn't know that I'm even doing

that until I submit it so if in the

meantime I start that process you walk

up and grab that building and now you

move it around and then you say actually

put it here what the hell happens is it

gonna in tell me yeah I'm just kam care

does it gonna send a message to me it's

saying well it's certainly gonna send a

message to me saying this building's

been moved so when I get that message we

could do one of two things we could

cancel my movement and say hey I'm

aborting you just so you know because

John moved this building out from under

you

or it could get it and say yeah John

moved it whatever doesn't matter I'm in

the middle of moving it and when I

finally decide where to put it it'll

send my message up and the server will

then pop it and you'll just see it it's

a teleport

yeah Brian just so I don't know which of

those I prefer I just as long as one as

long as whichever fund we go it doesn't

break things I don't really care like

what we don't want is the two clients

are out of sync now or the or the

building gets duped god forbid or

anything like that like that sori blows

away the vendors like we just wanted to

not be buggy otherwise I don't really

care which of those to be honest so