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<caonimaffles> mod forums and irc
<Chuck[Chrys]> they globe
<caonimaffles> two at once
<Shinyuu> [ they shitpost on scale ]
<Vosaiu> Basically
<Noru[Noro]> oh
<Noru[Noro]> so how did those changes go
<Chuck[Chrys]> what? changes?
<Noru[Noro]> fuck if i know i havent noticed anything different
<Vex> did we really get yuki as a mod?
<Reece[Milana]> ner
<Goopi> Mostly it's a clarification
<Reece[Milana]> dunno
<Noru[Noro]> i was hoping you guys would know
<caonimaffles> no the decision was negative
<Noru[Noro]> well lets turn it to a possitive shall we :D
<Reece[Milana]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Chuck[Chrys]> divide it by 0
<Vex> dude her host was a shitposter
<Carol[Alsa]> [I'm still for trying her out btw]
<Vex> and is still banned
<Goopi> Can we follow the agenda, given we have one today?
<Noru[Noro]> so what kiah was a shitposter
<Carol[Alsa]> [Dude you're one and your other people are normal]
<Yuki_> It's good to have global staff, at any rate. There's too much of a disconnect between the forums and IRC, in a sense. It often feels like there's two communities.
<Vex> yeah but I haven't been permabanned
<caonimaffles> yeah, so as I thought no-one really cares about us
<Yuki_> We're not talking about that now.
<Vex> and none of my guys are mods
<Reece[Milana]> Agreed @Yuki
<caonimaffles> no shitposting rule?
<Iolite> They move through two different mediums, they're vastly different by default
<Reece[Milana]> More of a disruption rule now
<Noru[Noro]> i remember mal being a mod even with grey in her system >_>
<Noru[Noro]> but anyway
<Vex> grey never shitposted
<Noru[Noro]> no but he wasnt a grade A tulpa either
<Yuki_> The disruption rule seems good. Have you guys needed to use it yet, so far?
<Noru[Noro]> anyway topic
<Iolite> Shitposting as in excessive?
<Carol[Alsa]> Where is that rule even written
<Carol[Alsa]> Oh ah
<Yuki_> In the rules.
<Carol[Alsa]> Blind, disregard
<Vex> right in the rules where nobody looks
<Noru[Noro]> lol mods dont read the rules
<caonimaffles> yuki, I haven't seen it used in my like 19 hour stint
<riezn> lol
<caonimaffles> goopi might have
<Shinyuu> [ ban mods ]
<Noru[Noro]> how can you expect new members to do so
<Goopi> I think I've asked people to calm down a couple times, though I didn't cite the rule
<Yuki_> You haven't banned anyone in 19 hours?
<Yuki_> Step up, pleas.
<Yuki_> Please.
<caonimaffles> I banned a spambot
<NoneFromHell> I think atleast the forum was pretty quiet this week regarding stuff like this
<caonimaffles> kind of
<Joshu> in short, it hasn't been necessary
<Vosaiu> Good job, waffles ;)
<Joshu> but it's good that it's there
<riezn> What if no one is ban worthy within 19 hours?
<Reece[Milana]> yet
<Vex> I been boozing and working for 19 hours so that's probably why
<Reece[Milana]> then the next person who joins is perma-banned
<Yuki_> The forums did seem quiet enough, and the IRC was okay, for a part.
<caonimaffles> yeah then we start picking people out
<caonimaffles> decimation style
<Carol[Alsa]> [They were disruptive?]
<Carol[Alsa]> [By joining]
<Yuki_> There was the whole shitstorm with Mal's death, after the meeting last week.
<caonimaffles> gotta meet quotas
<Joshu> Ok, topic discussed
<Vex> lol
<Noru[Noro]> oh yeah
<Carol[Alsa]> [Missed that]
<Shinyuu> [ mal died? ]
<Joshu> it was shitposting
<Carol[Alsa]> [It wasn't even legit]
<Goopi> *supposed death
<Noru[Noro]> i remember that clearly
<Shinyuu> [ who was that? ]
<Vex> that was just for mal's finals party
<Joshu> no, she didn't
<Valentine_> Malfael is fine
<caonimaffles> I'm mildly curious but isn't that 100% full metal drama?
<Noru[Noro]> mal died and the entire room went to shitposting hell
<Valentine_> It was a joke
<Valentine_> A bad one
<Noru[Noro]> for the entire night
<Valentine_> But a joke
<Carol[Alsa]> [Yeah that'd count for the rule I suppose]
<Yuki_> There was drama, and it wasn't stopped.
<Vex> to be fair if metatron joined my damn skype call that wouldn't have happened
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<Carol[Alsa]> [We were like, asleep]
<Noru[Noro]> vos tried his best but camon one mod vs the entire chatroom?
<Carol[Alsa]> [Like always]
<Noru[Noro]> yuki was around but wasnt a mod so wtf
<Vosaiu> This is the life I live
<Carol[Alsa]> [ya nice]
<caonimaffles> >one mod vs entire chatrom
<Yuki_> There was a lot of senseless ripping on Averian by Siouxie or her host.
<Chuck[Chrys]> one mod to rule them all
<caonimaffles> well that one mod has, like, mod powers
<Shinyuu> [ what are we discussing now? I lost track ]
<caonimaffles> but whatever
<Xastre> same
<Yuki_> Drama that happened last week, farcaller.
<Carol[Alsa]> [So can we agenda?]
<Vex> I'm glad this got brought up
<Carol[Alsa]> [Or something]
<Noru[Noro]> yeah but my point is even with all the mods they have added
<Shinyuu> [ was that in agenda? ]
<Joshu> New mods are hesitant, but there haven't been issues like that since then
<Noru[Noro]> they still havent added the one that counts
<Yuki_> This is something that relates to the rule change and new mods, so I think it's a decent topic to mention.
<Chuck[Chrys]> The Count?
<Reece[Milana]> That was discussed the other week Noru
<Noru[Noro]> we need more backbone not just nice familar faces
<Shinyuu> [ why this place has so many mods but it can't be kept from shitfuckingposting? ]
<Yuki_> How should the mods handle drama like that?
<Firiro> A set time limit ban.
<Yuki_> For who?
<Xastre> ^
<Joshu> Yuki_, by kicking, kicking again, warning for ban, then short term ban
<Reece[Milana]> Ban the main guy, if people complain devoice them or something
<Joshu> anyone continuing after asked to stop
<caonimaffles> gonna echo joshu though. at that point I wasn't a mod, two of the other mods hadn't been mod for a week
<Noru[Noro]> yeah vex should of been banned on the spot for mentioning his host died
<caonimaffles> it was pretty much old world rules afaik
<Firiro> Whoever is creating the uproar, duh
<Joshu> sub in devoice for ban
<riezn> Maybe it should be directed to a quarantine chatroom temporarily
<Joshu> Noru[Noro], but he was lying for drama
<Joshu> mal didn't die
<Joshu> riezn, it was eventually
<Noru[Noro]> camon Joshu you fell for it just as much as the rest of the room
<Yuki_> Alright. It's important that that policy is actually applied, because the room turned very sour for a few hours, then.
<swashy> Do we have a definition for "drama"
<Chuck[Chrys]> yes, whatever mods consider drama
<Reece[Milana]> ^
<caonimaffles> swashy, I think "I know it when I see it"
<Vex> [Mal] I actually didn't die
<Noru[Noro]> so why didnt you say anything mal?
<Shinyuu> [ let's kill mal and move on? ]
<Carol[Alsa]> That's pretty much what the disruption rule is fore
<Vex> [Mal] ...I was really drunk
<Firiro> intentionally affecting the way people feel in a negative manner, swashy
<Carol[Alsa]> *for
<swashy> If we're doing rules that vague why even have rules
<Noru[Noro]> did you enjoy watching everyone shitpost like drunken monkeys
<Yuki_> Let's not talk about the specific drama, it was fucking pathetic from all sides.
<Joshu> ok
<Joshu> so
<caonimaffles> swashy, if it's good enough for the supreme court
<Joshu> moving on
<Xastre> Anything that interrupts the harmony of the discourse is drama
<Yuki_> Yep, let's move on, then.
<swashy> It's a pretty controversial standard even for the supreme court
<NoneFromHell> Yes, please
<Yuki_> Anything more about the rule change or new staff?
<Xastre> rule change
<Shinyuu> [ staff is ok ]
<Noru[Noro]> we need more staff
<Xastre> what's with it?
<Noru[Noro]> thats what
<Shinyuu> [ alsa best dog ]
<Firiro> Who are the new staff?
<Shinyuu> [ mod* ]
<Joshu> Firiro, vos and waffles
<Noru[Noro]> make yuki a mod already and i can finally shut up
<swashy> can we skip to the second part
<Joshu> Noru[Noro], shut up preemptively
<Goopi> So, do we actually have enough staff after the two adds yesterday?
<Firiro> Mhmm
<Noru[Noro]> no
<Shinyuu> [ +1 Joshu ]
<Reece[Milana]> That was discussed already
<Noru[Noro]> not until real change happens
<Shinyuu> [ Goopi no ]
<caonimaffles> Goopi, I don't think we know
<Xastre> Noru, chill
<Yuki_> Time will tell.
<swashy> Noru we get it jesus christ
<Noru[Noro]> no
<Shinyuu> [ I still see shit at... 3-5am UTC ]
<caonimaffles> for irc, I would guess not, tentatively
<Joshu> Noru[Noro], it's a meeting, seriously chill.
<Vex> lol noru chill out
<caonimaffles> for forums, I would guess yes, tentatively
<Yuki_> We'll talk about that later.
<Noru[Noro]> okay
<Shinyuu> [ up to 6am actually ]
<Yuki_> Now, let's talk about Cjero's things. http://pastebin.com/GQhqVViH
<Chuck[Chrys]> need some silencer ult in here
<Xastre> You don't get points for playing politics. Put up your Yuki election sign pls
<Shinyuu> [ sometimes until alsa wakes up ]
<Carol[Alsa]> [When's 6am at GMT]
<Carol[Alsa]> [Oh you mean]
<NoneFromHell> I think it is enough to handle the forum, but maybe one or two in spare wouldn't hurt for when they're not there.
<Carol[Alsa]> [Ah, disregard]
<Reece[Milana]> UTC and GMT are the same I think
<Carol[Alsa]> [I didn't read that post]
<Shinyuu> [ Carol[Alsa] one hour west from ye? ]
<Carol[Alsa]> [Yes, and yes UTC = GMT]
<Noru[Noro]> how about you get on topic
<Yuki_> What he wants is that the moderators are more active in the community, that the static pages are maintained and updated, and the topic of lounge is changed to be less vague.
<Carol[Alsa]> [Yeah sorry]
<Reece[Milana]> NoneFromHell for forum mod perhaps. They're active from what I see and take part in the community meetings.
<caonimaffles> I basically agree with the cjero suggestion
<caonimaffles> it's something I'm gonna try to do
<Yuki_> Yes, I agree with it too, the first bit.
<caonimaffles> I'd love to actually get at the static pages
<Yuki_> The staff need to be active members of the community.
<caonimaffles> that's Goopi's domain though
<Firiro> Except gmt is better
<caonimaffles> and last time it all went stupidly slowly
<Joshu> agreed
<Firiro> Because Greenwich
<Yuki_> Yes, the last time was a joke.
<Shinyuu> [ Greenwich is ded. ]
<Xastre> The staff are active members of the community
<Goopi> NoneFromHell was in the list from last meeting
<Vex> I'm active
<Shinyuu> [ add cjero to staff ]
<swashy> Regarding Cjero's first point, obviously positive and active interaction is important, but how much development is there really to push
<Vex> oh my god no don't add cjero
<Shinyuu> [ and fuck vex ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> god no
<Shinyuu> [ cjero can be great stuaff ]
<Vex> he'll get his period and then kick everyone for talking
<Shinyuu> [ well, ban him when he's on period ]
<Vosaiu> I don't think Cjero is suited to be a mod at this time, maybe later on
<Yuki_> The updating of static pages, leading by example when it comes to fostering good discussion.
<Carol[Alsa]> [Neither later]
<caonimaffles> swashy, I kinda agree that the whole "theory" thing isn't so hot but
<swashy> Sorry, I thought we had a topic
<Chuck[Chrys]> cjero isnt even suited to be human
<Carol[Alsa]> [He is absolute unpredicatable]
<Vex> nah I don't want to be a mod
<riezn> I'm totally suited for modship guys
<Carol[Alsa]> -a
<swashy> not a dumb popularity contest
<Vex> and don't mod anyone in my group either
<Yuki_> Stop talking about modding people, please.
<riezn> lol
<caonimaffles> swashy, sub discussion, attitude, whatever, for development
<Chuck[Chrys]> yeah, no body modification
<Vex> what even are we on
<Shinyuu> [ cjero made a very sane channel for overal tulpa discussion ]
<Vex> I need a print out
<caonimaffles> though that's not to say we probably couldn't eventually get better collectively at imposition or switching or whatever
<caonimaffles> that's contingent
<Shinyuu> [ and was active and helpful there and got new topics ]
<caonimaffles> http://pastebin.com/GQhqVViH
<Vex> oh cjero's stuff
<swashy> That's more of a skill/experience thing though, not so much theory
<Goopi> Cjero can do serious discussion, but goofs around a lot
<Vex> ^
<caonimaffles> agreed, I'm not hot on the theory
<Vex> and he's emotionally unstable
<caonimaffles> but skills and experience are valid targets too
<Noru[Noro]> are you guys serious? you shut me up so you can discus about cjero being a mod instead?
<swashy> But how much can mods really push that though
<caonimaffles> guys shut up about cjero
<Joshu> can we drop the fucking mod talk
<Yuki_> We aren't talking about Cjero.
<Goopi> I'm not saying Cjero should be mod
<Yuki_> Goopi, that isn't the topic, please.
<Noru[Noro]> then stop talking about him
<caonimaffles> swashy, not necessarily pushing but at least being voices for it
<Shinyuu> [ do I get points for driving the talk? ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> off the cliff
<swashy> That's really really vague as far as a suggestion though.
<Yuki_> If you manage to get these people on topic, yes, farcaller.
<caonimaffles> people do pay attention to what staff do by default I think
<Shinyuu> [ because I'm totally driving the talk in here ]
<Goopi> Okay, if it's not the topic, then let's all move to the topic
<Vex> wait we're on cjero's pastebin right
<Yuki_> He made a comment that it's important that the staff are a part of the community.
<Shinyuu> [ what is the next topic? ]
<riezn> What is the current topic?
<Yuki_> That is the topic for now.
<Yuki_> He made a comment that it's important that the staff are a part of the community.
<Vex> aight
<caonimaffles> yeah it's vague, swashy, but I think the gist of it is clear enough isn't it
<Joshu> staff should be more active in the community
<Vex> staff should always be more active are you kidding me
<riezn> oh ok
<Joshu> that is the topic
<Yuki_> Yes, they should be. They can't just pop in once in a while to moderate things.
<caonimaffles> yeah I think that's kinda unambiguous
<Joshu> and i think we all agree with it
<Vex> that's brought up every day since I joined
<Shinyuu> [ I think that mod != staff in this case ]
<swashy> Well a "gist" is obviously a nice ideal but as far as actual improvements it's worthless.
<Shinyuu> [ because wtf. ]
<caonimaffles> well staff as the term is being used includes mods and admins
<NoneFromHell> Well i'Ve seen atleast somewhat more activity the last few days in the forum
<caonimaffles> swashy, I really don't think so given that the suggestion is clear enough for me to follow at least
<caonimaffles> I think it's clear enough for others
<swashy> If it works individually that's fine and well.
<Yuki_> Basically, the suggestion seems to be "talk about tulpas too, don't just mod".
<Shinyuu> [ why do you add basically copywriters to mods and admins? ]
<Vex> that's what .info is for
<caonimaffles> well as far as I can see vos and guups are in agreement
<swashy> Well that's easier to follow than what is suggested, yuki.
<Yuki_> If you look at the staff that was there before the new additions, they were hardly a part of the community.
<Shinyuu> [ fwiw mario is the only guy trying to write something on tups even if barely useful :p ]
<Vex> ^
<Yuki_> Rasznir, Goopi, Nobillis, for example.
<Vex> and that's what our community is these days
<caonimaffles> lol if it's mario-tier just don't
<Shinyuu> [ Goopi is inactive most of the time ]
<Vex> mario being off his anti psychotics
<caonimaffles> people are writing guides, well at least one person is
<Reece[Milana]> Mario can set up shelves though.
<caonimaffles> there's discussion
<Shinyuu> [ I can't remember when I last seen Pleeb posting any useful stuff ]
<caonimaffles> mario is not the best we have
<Yuki_> Pleeb isn't an active staff member.
<Vex> mario is literally on meds because he's a schizo
<Yuki_> Let's not go on a mario tangent, thanks.
<Shinyuu> [ Rasznir is actually good at writing, haven't wrote anything for long ]
<Noru[Noro]> pleeb isnt active in general
<Joshu> I'm writing a guide and starting to contribute to the forums.
<Chuck[Chrys]> what is there to do anymore anyway?
<riezn> Guides are written on the forums correct?
<caonimaffles> farcaller, pleeb is obviously non-negotiable. chupi is active as an admin and is also the only active admin so also non-negotiable
<Goopi> I am trying to be more active, though I can't be on 24/7 like some users here
<Joshu> riezn, yes
<Chuck[Chrys]> apart from hanging around for newbies
<Shinyuu> [ you want some fresh content? collaborate and write a book. you don't need to be mod ]
<Reece[Milana]> I don't see the reason in writing books when everything is on the forums.
<caonimaffles> >write a book
<caonimaffles> nnnI don't really agree exactly
<caonimaffles> write, sure
<Shinyuu> [ well, write a wiki page ]
<NoneFromHell> I've noticed that Goopi is more active, atleast for like the last 48 hours
<Shinyuu> [ form doesn't matter ]
<caonimaffles> but yeah, you don't need to be mod
<Shinyuu> [ I mean — write some fucking structured content ]
<caonimaffles> on the other hand, people pay attention to mods
<caonimaffles> and mods can get more things done
<Reece[Milana]> Can we please try not to use all these abbreviations
<Yuki_> Keep trying, anyway. It's important that the staff try to keep active, yes.
<Shinyuu> [ mods be modding ]
<caonimaffles> what abbreviations?
<caonimaffles> 'mod'?
<Reece[Milana]> no
<caonimaffles> I think you know what that means
<Yuki_> I don't agree with there having to be a mandate or anything, but it's important to note.
<Reece[Milana]> nnnl iirc afaaik
<Reece[Milana]> etcetera
<Shinyuu> [ banning, posting shit, that kind of stuff ]
<Joshu> ok
<Joshu> so
<Joshu> mods will be more active, so should us users
<Joshu> there we go
<Yuki_> Let's talk about the static pages.
<Joshu> next topic would be the pages
<caonimaffles> nnnI isn't an abbreviation, iirc if I remember correctly, afaik as far as I know
<caonimaffles> now you're up to speed
<Shinyuu> [ will you make me mod if I publish a writeup on animal tup behaviourism? ]
<Yuki_> The tulpa.info topsite is pretty neglected. We should do something about that.
<caonimaffles> lol if you started now you might get it done next year farcaller
<riezn> It hasn't changed that much in years
<caonimaffles> wait next year is only two weeks away
<caonimaffles> fuck ok 2017
<Shinyuu> [ :p ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> damn furries
<Goopi> The topsite thing? That's supposed to be dead now because it was generating enormous load on the database server
<Chuck[Chrys]> oh wait...
<Shinyuu> [ furries are part of community ]
<Shinyuu> [ and you have a horse ]
<Vex> chuck you're a furry
<swashy> I thought the glossary was intentionally ambiguous
<Goopi> OH
<caonimaffles> huwhat goopi?
<Goopi> You mean the main site
<caonimaffles> tulpa.info/
<Yuki_> The static site.
<Shinyuu> [ caonimaffles and I meant the overall idea of people writing things -> mods ]
<caonimaffles> yes
<Yuki_> Yes.
<Goopi> There used to be a "topsites" thing
<caonimaffles> no farcaller it's mods -> writing things
<Carol[Alsa]> The design is confusing too btw
<Yuki_> That's not what we meant.
<Carol[Alsa]> It's different from the forum
<Goopi> Yeah, I realized that. The main static site does need new content.
<Yuki_> Yeah, the design of the website is pretty bad, if you look at the whole.
<Yuki_> The forums and static site are entirely disconnected.
<caonimaffles> before we talk about what content it should have
<caonimaffles> the previous format did not work for changing it
<caonimaffles> it just wasted everyone's time
<Yuki_> Yep.
<caonimaffles> how can we make it so that stuff actually happens?
<Shinyuu> [ funny that Shin's post about sex is like top post on her blog ]
<Vex> don't y'all have some kinda designer for the site?
<Yuki_> The people who want to make changes need to have the tools to make the changes.
<Shinyuu> [ and then people rant that we don't need that kind of posts in the community ]
<Vex> controversy sells, far
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<caonimaffles> I'm all for tulap sexnh in here far
<Reece> that was helpful
<Joshu> farcaller, I bet half those views are because they're "taboo"
<caonimaffles> I basically agree with yuki although that's not a suggestion to hand over admin priviliges to us
<Shinyuu> [ caonimaffles you can't tulpa sex in here, go to #nsfw ]
<caonimaffles> it's just that if Goopi is disinterested and Rasznir is disinterested, that really does not help
<Yuki_> Yeah. That's what ruined it last time.
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<Shinyuu> [ so, 30 minutes in, how much of agenda are we through with actionable items? ]
<caonimaffles> that said, if they're willing to go along with what an interested group decides, that's fine
<Joshu> 1.5, farcaller
<caonimaffles> but the idea is probably that only people who are seriously interested should be a part
<Vex> lol
<Joshu> actually pretty decent progress
<Shinyuu> [ Joshu what are actionable items? ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> note: people who are seriously interested are not always the best people for the job
<Joshu> 1. changes from last time 2. cjero's list
<Shinyuu> [ +1 chuck ]
<Joshu> halfway through cjero's list, hence .5
<Vex> people who are seriously interested are sometimes dumbasses
<Shinyuu> [ Joshu that's agenda, what are /actionable items/? ]
<Yuki_> That, waffles, and it should be important that they are able to make the changes they want, and aren't held back by say, the entirety of the staff needing three weeks to proofread a text.
<Yuki_> (I'm not bitter)
<Joshu> farcaller, I don't understand, pm me or hush
<caonimaffles> suure, agreed, chuck
<caonimaffles> though, I don't think there are many seriously interested people who are unsuitable in this case
<Vex> yeeaaaahhh
<caonimaffles> anyway, Goopi, can we get input
<Carolina> For the page: I also think that we should promote IRC more
<caonimaffles> this is 50% directed hatred towards you
<Shinyuu> [ "promote IRC more" ]
<Noru[Noro]> irc is the first place new people already go to
<Vex> irc is the shittest place for newbies to go
<Noru[Noro]> before even reading the front page somehow
<Vex> let's be real here
<Chuck[Chrys]> only the really lazy ones
<Vex> irc is the place for the oldfags to be bastards to each other
<Shinyuu> [ vex forums are more complex ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> or dumb
<Shinyuu> [ and there are a bunch of newfags in irc ]
<Reece[Milana]> Well with things like this in lounge, it can deter people
<Reece[Milana]> <MetatronCube> Gay ass faggot.
<Reece[Milana]> <Vex> gtfo you whore
<Reece[Milana]> <Royal_> Vex rings a damn bell, but I can't think of why.
<Reece[Milana]> <Vex> mal's system
<Reece[Milana]> <Prochoros> Vex is gay
<Goopi> On the last time we tried to fix the main site? Things went slowly since a large part of the staff had things from life to deal with. We also got caught up in designing and debating wordpress themes.
<Reece[Milana]> <Royal_> Of course.
<Reece[Milana]> <Vex> I'm basically the host now
<Reece[Milana]> <Prochoros> He said that
<Reece[Milana]> <Royal_> Good for you!
<Reece[Milana]> <EmmyTheTulpa> well done Vex!
<Shinyuu> [ the thing that "oldfags to be bastards to each other" is just modding being shit ]
<Reece[Milana]> <Vex> yeah B) all the booze
<Reece[Milana]> Sorry for spam, didn't know it would do that
<Vosaiu> A pastebin would be a good idea next time
<Vex> the fuck
<Yuki_> Let's stop spamming unrelated shit when we're talking about something else.
<Shinyuu> [ that's like 3 bans in the log ]
<Reece[Milana]> Probably
<Carol[Alsa]> ["Sorry for posting tons of line I didn't know it'd be tons of lines"]
<Yuki_> Do you understand the format of these talks?
<Goopi> What was all that?
<caonimaffles> Goopi, ok so what do you think. people who don't have lives should be the ones dealing with it
<caonimaffles> also we were never involved in the wordpress discussions so gg
<caonimaffles> wait
<Yuki_> No, this was when we talked about the theme for 3 weeks in a row.
<caonimaffles> hmmm I can't remembere
<Yuki_> We were there.
<caonimaffles> ok I take my gg back
<Meovv> I don't think many newfags can claim to have had a good experience here
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<Goopi> Yes, and people were really busy in those 3 weeks
<Shinyuu> [ because moderation must be nazi. ]
<Shinyuu> [ and an anarchy channel should not be on autojion ]
<Shinyuu> [ autojoin* ]
<Reece[Milana]> Which is the point I *attempted* to get across Meovv
<Firiro> there is behaviour on the irc of which is less than satisfactory for new tulpamancers :p
<Yuki_> We can all talk about that later, thanks.
<Vex> it's /lounge/
<Vex> you're supposed to lounge there
<Shinyuu> [ it's lounge, not polandball-shitpost-fest ]
<Carol[Alsa]> ^
<caonimaffles> Goopi, ok so what do you think. people who don't have lives should be the ones dealing with it
<Firiro> But not make it a shithole, Vex
<Vex> ey, you have a place to send your newfags
<Vex> don't blame me for not keeping it up
<Meovv> No anschluss allowed, got it far
<Carol[Alsa]> It's problematic people like that
<Shinyuu> [ remove lounge from autojoin ]
<Reece[Milana]> ^
<Yuki_> Hello, this is me asking you to stay on topic.
<Noru[Noro]> whats wrong with lounge :D it looks great i mean look at the place right now :D
<Shinyuu> [ see how quality improves ]
<Chuck[Chrys]> remove kebab
<Reece[Milana]> Eh we were on topic
<Shinyuu> [ newbs come into .info only and are ontopic ]
<Vex> far is so right
<Shinyuu> [ or are redirected to lounge ]
<Vex> just make em join .info
<NoneFromHell> this meeting is a rollercoaster.
<Joshu> NoneFromHell, yes, it is.
<Firiro> pehaps so, but there snt much quality within lounge for those that wish to not stay ontopic
<Reece[Milana]> Wasn't there a plan beforehand?
<Goopi> Sure waffles, that would be nice, if we had staff to put on it who didn't have a life
<Chuck[Chrys]> in that case .topic should point to .lounge
<Shinyuu> [ Yuki_ failed to deliver the plan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ]
<Joshu> Now, can we agree to discuss the site changes in a bit? that seems like it could be a topic in and of itself
<Vex> seriously why would you not send them to the information channel their first time around
<Yuki_> There is a plan, and you people are talking about something else now.
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<Goopi> People, topic
<Chuck[Chrys]> so that there doesnt need to be a standing guard redirecting everyone
<Yuki_> The site changes are the current topic.
<Yuki_> Goopi, please enforce the topic, otherwise we won't get anywhere.
<Goopi> We can discuss IRC later
<caonimaffles> Goopi, ok so my suggestion is that you get some people who you'll apply changes from with minimal approval from you
<Yuki_> I've asked five times.
<Shinyuu> [ Goopi +oooo Joshu Yuki_ Carol[Alsa] caonimaffles +m ? ]
<caonimaffles> you don't have to give then site admin
<Shinyuu> [ :p ]
<Joshu> i'm not a mod
<caonimaffles> but as far as they're making decisions you should just back them
<caonimaffles> what do you think
<Yuki_> That suggestion seems good, waffles.
<Joshu> i agree that sounds reasonable, waflles
<Goopi> Sure
<Joshu> waffles*
<Yuki_> Okay, that's settled then, unless someone else has something to say about it. I suppose it'd be good to talk about what people want to see on the topsite, content-wise, and to gather a group of people to work on it.
<Chuck[Chrys]> i do, just need to find the words
<Firiro> How many people here use the site, out of curiousity?
<caonimaffles> yeah. I think that can be done at another time, though. this channel is always open and there are staff lurking in it so
<Chuck[Chrys]> coz i dont think the content should just be up to a few people
<Reece[Milana]> I do sometimes. I've been using it more recently.
<caonimaffles> my suggestion is that people register their interest starting when this meeting ends
<Joshu> Firiro, a significant portion enough to warrant discussing it
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<Joshu> caonimaffles, that sounds good, I like that
<Shinyuu> [ who wants to get money for content? ]
<Reece[Milana]> me
<Chuck[Chrys]> kek
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<Goopi> Not too many established people here use the main site because it's mostly supposed to be introductory material and such
<Shinyuu> [ Reece[Milana]: send me a sample
<Yuki_> We can talk about it after we get through the list of topics we have.
<Yuki_> The last thing on Cjero's list was that the lounge topic should be changed.
<Yuki_> * Topic for #tulpa.lounge is: The official Tulpa.info lounge. Talk about stuff. Because it's pretty much free reign, except for explicit lewd.
<caonimaffles> will be afk for a few
<Chuck[Chrys]> i think thats pointless
<Yuki_> Specifically, this bit.
<swashy> I don't understand what needs to be changed
<Yuki_> "Free reign" is interpreted by shitposters and used as a defense to be a shit, regularly.
<Meovv> I think Cjero is right about that
<Carol[Alsa]> [The "Everything goes except explicit lewd" is used all th time to warrant all kinds of crap]
<sonka> which is a perfect arrangement of things
<Vex> realistically if there were more mods it wouldn't matter what the topic said
<swashy> Well that's silly. Maybe just change the last bit to "Mostly free reign, but please read the rules"
<Carol[Alsa]> [I refer to what vex said a few mins ago]
<Goopi> Yes, the lounge description need to be changed since it isn't free reign apart from lewd
<Chuck[Chrys]> its not?
<Yuki_> What swashy said seems good.
<Meovv> "interpreted by shitposters and used as a defense to be a shit, regularly." <--- this right here, the so said "polandball shitposts" farcaller mentioned-.
<Chuck[Chrys]> free reigm as far as topics go
<sonka> kc tier
<Vex> please I could twist any rule you made to shitpost. just get more mods. the topic is a non issue
<Chuck[Chrys]> then there are rules
<Joshu> Vex, please respect the progression of topics
<Vex> I'm on topic
<Carol[Alsa]> [Something like "Less moderated off-topic talk. Please also consider the rules and general good behavior."]
<Joshu> to clarify for agreement/disagreement, mods, can you change the topic to what swashy said?
<Joshu> so we can actually move on through these things
<Goopi> Yes
<Carol[Alsa]> Yeah
<Joshu> ok
<Carol[Alsa]> Yhough his version soungs too pleading to me
<Carol[Alsa]> *sounds
<Yuki_> What do you suggest?
<Noru[Noro]> it seems we are in a rushso just do it
<Carol[Alsa]> What Alsa wrote
<swashy> Do we need to psychoanalyze the topic of a chat
<Carol[Alsa]> Yes
<Vex> no
<Carol[Alsa]> Shitposters do it tii
<Vex> swashy gets me
<Carol[Alsa]> *too
<swashy> so ban them
<Joshu> Lounge, off-topic chat, but follow the rules: link
<swashy> moving on
<Joshu> there we go
<Joshu> moving on
<Carol[Alsa]> Ya
<Chuck[Chrys]> well really doing that shit should fall under teh loophole stuff
<Firiro> Just get enough around-the-clock mods who are able to stop shitposters, if Vex is going to be a bitch about it
<Joshu> Chuck[Chrys], it does, but it's a nice cosmetic change
<Joshu> Firiro, we don't negotiate with terrorists
<Firiro> Joshu, what?
<Carol[Alsa]> Formulating it well in the first place lessens the problems without effort :P
<Vex> just saying, you could spend 30 minutes on what the topic that nobody reads is going to be, or you could just get people to enforce every rule including the loophole one
<Yuki_> Sure, do what Josh said.
<Yuki_> Yeah, we know this. It's a minor point.
<Joshu> yeah, and we're moving on
<Yuki_> Crying about how it's a minor point is only making this last longer, don't you see?
<Joshu> now, most important topic
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<Joshu> the next one
<Chuck[Chrys]> the shitposters arent gonna stop shitposting because the topic says something slightly different
<Chuck[Chrys]> but whawtever
<Joshu> Chuck[Chrys], we'll see how it goes
<Joshu> ok
<Chuck[Chrys]> aye aye captain
<Yuki_> The next topic was what I wanted to say, wasn't it?
<Shinyuu> [ Yuki_: throw in the topic of paying people for writing tulpa content for next topic. I think $50/post as a baseline?, I'll go afk for a bit ]
<Firiro> mhmm
<Joshu> yes, but can I say something quick first?
<Yuki_> Okay.
<Joshu> as in suggest a mini topic?
<Joshu> ok
<Joshu> dear community, can I be a mod again? -josh
<Vex> gg
<Firiro> No
<Noru[Noro]> no fuck off
<Chuck[Chrys]> whooooa
<Shinyuu> [ lol ]
<Meovv> F
<Shinyuu> [ fuck Joshu ]
<Vosaiu> I wouldn't mind seeing you on the team again, Josh
<Yuki_> Sure, Josh.
<Vex> no josh you should shitpost with me
<Yuki_> You'd be good.
<Carol[Alsa]> [I'd like you back]
<Chuck[Chrys]> on your knees mother fucker
<Goopi> I would be okay with this
<swashy> abstain
<Firiro> xD
<Meovv> I like Josh. But I'll abstain
<Yuki_> Just make sure you don't take it too far and feel bad about it again.
<Valentine_> Joshua was a great moderator
<Valentine_> ^Uie
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<Joshu> ok, to clarify so we can get it out of the way, does anyone have a problem with me being a mod again?
<Noru[Noro]> he was shitposting with vex about mal being dead
<Chuck[Chrys]> no
<Yuki_> Nope.
<Meovv> I don't mind
<Reece[Milana]> As long as I get Jimi Hendrix once a month
<Royal_> Joshua was good at his job.
<NoneFromHell> I don't know you enough for that
<Firiro> abstain o/
<Chuck[Chrys]> Joshu is swell mod, but i have to wonder whats with the change of heart
<Joshu> Chuck[Chrys], allow me to explain
<Vex> you guys should do one of those instant vote things for this shit
<Uie> None at all, you already did an amazing job before
<Joshu> I resigned because I expected my irl life to get problematic, but the situation was handled and I am free again
<Joshu> so I would like to continue moderating
<Reece[Milana]>
<Reece[Milana]> oop
<Chuck[Chrys]> alright, Joshu for president
<Joshu> ok, so mods it's cool with you?
<Goopi> Yep
<Carol[Alsa]> Ya
<Carolina> Sure
<Joshu> ok, now onto something else
<Vex> qq I'll miss you
<Joshu> yuki should have a trial run as a mod, I believe
<Joshu> mods what are your thoughts?
<Vosaiu> I think it wouldn't be bad for her to have a trial, I'm for
<Chuck[Chrys]> few words if i may
<Yuki_> Okay, so, what I wanted to say. Last time, it was decided here that I would be tried on the team. Most people here seemed to support me to be a staff member, and Rasznir agreed I could be on at that time. After the meeting was over, it was decided that I wouldn't be added by Goopi, Rasznir and Drimu, I believe. I want to apologize to Goopi for how I acted after that.
<Reece[Milana]> Wasn't this already discussed?
<Yuki_> Hardly.
<Carol[Alsa]> [Still saying that, as is Carol]
<Carol[Alsa]> [Tons, dunno]
<Chuck[Chrys]> i wouldnt mind Yuki_ as mod as in channel police, but ffs dont let her make decicions
<Reece[Milana]> So you get angry when denied something?
<Chuck[Chrys]> all i have to say
<NoneFromHell> Well the way this went was pretty dirty, from both sides
<Vex> I agree with chuck
<Goopi> While I don't think the offer should have been made, since it was, I suppose we could give it a go
<Carol[Alsa]> There was some misunderstanding too
<Yuki_> I was upset that the argument was used that I can't be on because Dutch is a shitposter and banned, as if I'm not autonomous.
<Vosaiu> She would be part of the team, it's important that she makes decisions with the rest of us
<Yuki_> That's why I got mad.
<Reece[Milana]> ah
<Carol[Alsa]> ^ That's nonsense I find, too
<Yuki_> It was as if I'm not my own person, and that hurt me.
<Noru[Noro]> she can make decisions with the rest of you
<Joshu> mods are accountable to each other and the community, if she fucks up, boot her
<Carol[Alsa]> That point has been repeatedly backed up by community members I believe, so yeaj
<Joshu> it sounds like she will have a trial run, so unless there's something else to be said, that makes sense
<Carol[Alsa]> *yeah
<Noru[Noro]> how hard is it to demote a mod if they fuck up?
<Goopi> I apologize that we made that as an argument. It was not the primary or original reason however.
<Joshu> Noru[Noro], so easy
<Vosaiu> Not too hard
<Carol[Alsa]> /mode -h Yuki_
<Noru[Noro]> then just give her a try and stop playing around with her
<Reece[Milana]> Well why not trial Syrah, Noct, Cyan, DreamWalker etcetera then
<Carol[Alsa]> And some channel access
<Vex> dunno I'm all for tulpas get their own merits but yuki's not mod material because she's fucking emotional not because dutch is a shit
<Noru[Noro]> everyone is emotional
<Carol[Alsa]> Reece[Milana]: Because we had accepted nominations at some point
<Joshu> Vex, and she'll either show that and be booted or not and stay
<Joshu> it's a nonissue
<Yuki_> It would be a good way for me to learn.
<Firiro> Noru[Noro], I disagree
<Yuki_> I'd do my best.
<Carol[Alsa]> [I'm a fucking depressive lunatic]
<Noru[Noro]> but yuki has shown general care and concern for this community
<Reece[Milana]> tbh in 4 months of being here I've only seen her talk since she was selected as a candidate
<Vex> yeah but you actually do your job alsa
<Carol[Alsa]> [Badly]
<Vosaiu> Yuki has been very active here for a while, from what I understand
<Carol[Alsa]> [But whatever]
<Joshu> yuki has been quite active
<Carol[Alsa]> ^
<Carol[Alsa]> I can agree
<Vex> well B) this isn't redditulpas this is tulpa.info staff we're talking aobut
<Chuck[Chrys]> cmon Alsa, people love you
<Chuck[Chrys]> what more do you want
<Noru[Noro]> shes more active than most the mod team currently
<Yuki_> I've been active in the tulpa.info channels for close to 2 years.
<Joshu> Vex, yeah, and I'm emotional and modded pretty ok
<Vex> again, you quit when you were a problem
<Joshu> so i'd say give her a shot, boot her if she fucks up, and let's move on
<Chuck[Chrys]> what counts as a fuck up?
<Reece[Milana]> As I said, in 4 months of being here I've only seen you speak once you were selected as a candidate
<Vex> yeah yeah give her a go but it looks to me like yer giving her a shot because you feel bad for her
<Noru[Noro]> you will know when she fucks up people will complain
<Vex> not because she's qualified
<Noru[Noro]> anyway lets not lengthen this out and say we will do it just to not do it again
<Carol[Alsa]> [I believe we had said to get the mods together weekly and discuss how she'S been?]
<Joshu> yeah, that sounds fine
<Vosaiu> Sounds good to me
<Yuki_> That's weird, but okay.
<Noru[Noro]> mod her and lets move onto the next topic
<Yuki_> I'd be up for that.
<Joshu> Yuki_, you're on parole
<Joshu> meet with me, your officer, once a week
<caonimaffles> ok well guess I don't need to say anything
<Royal_> Like regular employee evaluations.
<Vosaiu> All trial mods are on parole, really
<Vex> you say you'll evaluate the mods but will you really
<Yuki_> Am I being detained?
<Vosaiu> Yes, Vex
<Vosaiu> Yes, Yuki_
<Joshu> Vex, we said we'd have meetings
<Joshu> we have meetings
<Firiro> Yes, meet with Josh, once a week
<Firiro> in his dimmed room
<Chuck[Chrys]> meetings ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
<Joshu> things are improving, slowly
<Vex> this is like week two
<Joshu> week three
<Firiro> Lionel richie playing in the background
<Firiro> Its perfect
<Joshu> long enough for newbies to "switch" long enough to be valid as an improvement
<Carol[Alsa]> [Agenda?]
<Joshu> next topic
<caonimaffles> lol
<Carol[Alsa]> [Agender]
<Carol[Alsa]> [Sorry]
<Vex> [Mal] yes?
<Goopi> Carol, that's more or less how we say it here
<Carol[Alsa]> Who what
<Goopi> Er, Alsa
<Carol[Alsa]> I didn't talk
<Carol[Alsa]> Ah
<Vex> in the land of fried everything
<caonimaffles> stress pattern is wrong though
<Noru[Noro]> nice topic
<caonimaffles> 'agender
<caonimaffles> a'genda
<Carol[Alsa]> [Yeah, a bit meta, no?]
<Carol[Alsa]> [Anyone got good points?]
<Yuki_> Alright, if that's decided, that concludes the topics I planned on.
<Yuki_> We're open to suggestions, now.
<Joshu> ok, so next topic
<Joshu> from me
<Joshu> if I may
<Vex> we should open a bar
<caonimaffles> you may
<Chuck[Chrys]> oh boy here we go
<Joshu> nonefromhell for forum mod?
<Reece[Milana]> Aye
<Yuki_> Sure, he seems good.
<Joshu> he's constructive and reasonable, and while new, I think it's worth a shot
<Vosaiu> I nominated him last meeting, still think he's pretty constructive and cool
<Carol[Alsa]> [No idea, so whatever]
<Yuki_> Oh, as an aside - what am I being added for?
<Joshu> Yuki_, irc
<caonimaffles> I'm fine with it though I don't know exactly if we need more, though it's not gonna hurt is it
<Noru[Noro]> i dont go to the forums so sure throw a mod badge on him
<Joshu> waffles, i brought it up to finish up the strings from last meeting
<Reece[Milana]> NoneFromHell is new but has far more posts than Yuki_ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Joshu> mods/goop?
<Reece[Milana]> activity
<caonimaffles> you gotta ping him like Goopi
<NoneFromHell> i think it wouldn't hurt to have spare waffles, but regulary you're right.
<Goopi> I think I'd be okay with NoneFromHell
<Chuck[Chrys]> but hes from hell
<Sock> In fairness, he hangs around Forum games, so the post count is inflated.
<caonimaffles> yeah definitely wouldn't hurt and I'm disinclined to shut the door when I just made it in yesterday
<Chuck[Chrys]> and doesnt exist
<Reece[Milana]> Do they even count towards posts?
<Vosaiu> That doesn't add to post count
<NoneFromHell> forum games don't count in the post count
<caonimaffles> no chuck none him is from hell
<caonimaffles> none of
<Joshu> ok so nonefromhell will try out modding the forums
<Chuck[Chrys]> thats just camouflage
<Sock> Oh they don't? My error, then.
<Joshu> coolio, topic done
<Vosaiu> Yeah, anything in lounge doesn't count
<caonimaffles> damn I swear all these mods getting added this week
<Goopi> Yeah
<caonimaffles> I'll go ahead and suggest sands and mistgod
<Joshu> mistmod*
<Vex> fucking lol
<NoneFromHell> madman :D
<Yuki_> Sands yes.
<Vex> sure go ahead I don't go on the forums add the shitposters
<Joshu> ok so is there anything else to be brought up?
<Noru[Noro]> why not melian has tons of posts on the forums
<Joshu> or is the meeting closed?
<Reece[Milana]> Melian was banned from here I think
<Yuki_> Post count is the only metric we should care about.
<Goopi> I've seen nearly zero activity from Sands
<Yuki_> Is there anything someone wants to bring up?
<caonimaffles> not serious suggestions on either part
<caonimaffles> for the slowpokes
<Chuck[Chrys]> oh yeah i head a little tiny thing actually
<Reece[Milana]> Farcaller's paying for content maybe
<Chuck[Chrys]> its about .info
<Yuki_> That's not really related to .info, Reece.
<Joshu> ok Chuck[Chrys]
<Joshu> tell us the thing
<Yuki_> What is it, Chuck?
<Reece[Milana]> eh ask Farcaller then
<Chuck[Chrys]> i get that its the on topic channel but i kinda feel like its moderated too harshly sometimes
<Noru[Noro]> oh yeah true
<Noru[Noro]> if you dont have a topic right after saying hello you get redirected to lounge
<Chuck[Chrys]> especially since theres usually nothing else going on
<Reece[Milana]> ...funposting
<Chuck[Chrys]> if there was, fine, but ya know
<swashy> That's how it's supposed to work
<Chuck[Chrys]> doesnt matter how its supposed to work
<Syrah> I don't get why activity seems to be brought up as a major argument for eligibility.
<swashy> Yeah let's just not have rules anymore
<Firiro> And then you get redirected to somewhere thats not really new user friendly :p
<swashy> anarchy in the .info
<Reece[Milana]> Because they said they wanted active mods
<Syrah> But anyone can be active.
<MetatronCube> I have a motion.
<caonimaffles> actually only active people can be active
<Yuki_> In a minute, Meta.
<caonimaffles> which achieves the aim
<caonimaffles> being inactive = bad
<caonimaffles> not so much that being active is modding material
<Yuki_> I suppose the thing about .info is that people have to want to talk there.
<Syrah> Sure.
<Yuki_> You can complain that it's dead all the time, but you can also start conversations there.
<swashy> ^
<Chuck[Chrys]> and people dont want to talk there because any tome they do they get modded
<swashy> The issue isn't that the channel is too strict, the issue is that there's not much topic to talk about.
<Chuck[Chrys]> time*
<caonimaffles> "they get modded"
<Chuck[Chrys]> thats the issue
<Yuki_> Is that the reason?
<Vosaiu> Generally because they stray from the topic
<Chuck[Chrys]> not modded like modded
<caonimaffles> you mean politely told to go to lounge?
<Goopi> Given that most on topic chat happens in the lounge, I think it might be a good idea to make both channels work basically the same, and just move to the other if one is busy.
<Noct{Shirla[Jenny> Did someone ping me?
<Yuki_> Is that really the reason, or are you making that up?
<Chuck[Chrys]> yes caonimaffles thats what i mean
<caonimaffles> the human tragedy honestly I don't think it's that chuck
<caonimaffles> speak for yourself though
<Reece[Milana]> I did @Noct
<Syrah> Goopi that completely removes all purpose of the topic chat.
<Noct{Shirla[Jenny> Ah.
<Vex> yep
<Chuck[Chrys]> myself i dont care, il gladly shitpost in .info
<caonimaffles> actually Goopi I would say the other thing
<Joshu> when there's on topic, I redirect them to .info
<caonimaffles> that on-topic chat should be
<caonimaffles> yeah
<Yuki_> We could be reasonably lenient in .info with the topic, unless someone wants to talk tulpas, I suppose.
<Syrah> That doesn't work.
<Syrah> Been tried before, more than once.
<swashy> ^
<Goopi> True
<Carolina> Keep the new users in mind, please
<caonimaffles> the redirecting to .info?
<Reece[Milana]> Well having multiple conversations going on in lounge it gets a little annoying
<Chuck[Chrys]> thats exactly what i had in mind Yuki_
<Goopi> But as it is it doesn't work either
<Goopi> We could have it work like lounge1 and lounge2
<Syrah> I agree with redirecting topical chat to .info
<Yuki_> Maybe put ASK YOUR QUESTIONS HERE in flashing letters in the topic.
<swashy> It doesn't work how?
<Yuki_> I'm sure it'll become more active.
<Goopi> If you have an on topic thing and one is busy, use the other
<swashy> @goopi
<caonimaffles> ok
<Vosaiu> Pff, when do people ever read the topic
<Chuck[Chrys]> when its flashing they do
<Vosaiu> Not even
<Chuck[Chrys]> oh wait
<Yuki_> Needs more flashes.
<Goopi> swashy: It doesn't work how it is now. Near all on topic is in the lounge and often gets drowned out.
<Chuck[Chrys]> Goopi++
<Yuki_> Well, we can all start suggesting people move to #.info with the on topic stuff, if that happens.
<Noru[Noro]> and then gets squashed because its too rowdy
<caonimaffles> that's true. but it does seem a little more obvious to move the on-topic conversation into #.info than the off-topic chat
<swashy> Sounds more like the solution is doing a better job of directing topic chats to .info when they feel like they're getting ontopic
<swashy> when they're getting drowned out* bleh
<Goopi> Yuki_: When we try that, it's either ignored or if we force the point it kills the discussion.
<Joshu> i think if we all redirected people, it would work fine
<Joshu> but most of the time, it's one mod
<Syrah> Yeah, swashy and waffles are on point here.
<Joshu> and everyone else refusing to do anything
<Joshu> so there needs to be a consensus
<Yuki_> In that case, if people don't care about moving when they're being drowned out, what's the point of making a change, I wonder?
<caonimaffles> hmm Goopi, possibly. I've seen that I guess
<Joshu> I suggest that people redirect when on topic happens, and if they do, good, if they don't, they deserve to be drowned out
<swashy> Yeah it doesn't really sound like loosening rules in .info would do anything but extend the problem to both channels.
<Yuki_> I wonder if people will like being told to take their on topic stuff to #.info in every case.
<Joshu> it's not a difficult switch, so why bother worrying about it
<Noct{Shirla[Jenny> Isn't NSFW for the unmoderated crap posting and such anyways?
<Joshu> Noct{Shirla[Jenny, yes
<Vex> we bend over backwards to get people to ask constructive questions but if you have to force people to go to the on topic channel and ask there then are they really serious enough to fucking make a tulpa?
<caonimaffles> Joshu, depends if we want to promote all on-topic conversation or only that which people care about enough
<caonimaffles> seeing as there isn't much because people don't care, I don't think making it easier for people is too radical a suggestion
<Goopi> Other reason people want to keep their topic chat in the lounge is that if they stray a bit from that topic, they won't get booted back to lounge.
<Joshu> how do you suggest making it easier than clicking something?
<caonimaffles> though you seem to think they just don't deserve it, but, well, you're left with a community of undeserving people
<Joshu> Goopi, then be more lenient
<Reece[Milana]> trojan horse
<caonimaffles> hypothetically, not making them click anything
<caonimaffles> I'm not sure which way is the best way to go though
<Goopi> Joshu, we tried that before and it worked horribly
<Joshu> caonimaffles, how do you suggest achieving that?
<Joshu> Goopi, o
<swashy> Goopi then the model should be that most chat stays in .lounge, and .info is for when people want to carry on extended topical chats without being drowned out
<caonimaffles> well, hypothetically, Goopi's suggestion
<Joshu> ok
<Joshu> then do that, i'm ok with it
<Noct{Shirla[Jenny> Isn't that how it always was?
<Joshu> I think I didn't really convey myself correctly. i agree with Goopi, let's do it
<Vex> what were we doing?
<swashy> what are we agreeing with
<Chuck[Chrys]> i feel like i didnt do the best job at explaining myself but you guys got the point, Chuck is pleased
<Yuki_> Do we need more than friendly suggestions to move to the other channel, when things get busy?
<caonimaffles> I think we could trial it
<Joshu> treating the channels as equivalent, basically, right?
<Syrah> Kicking people for being ontopic in the lounge is kind of silly.
<caonimaffles> seeing as we're reconvening next week
<Goopi> I would add that we should probably try to keep it from being so both channels are full of silly posting at once so people with topics have nowhere to chat
<Carol[Alsa]> Yeah, just nudges
<Syrah> That sounds fine.
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