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  1. Round 2
  2. Ame vs Stalin
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  4. R1
  5. Ame
  6. * Stat posting
  7. * Cass' nerve strikes won't work because of Team Ame being naturally armored
  8. * Team Ame's Speed > Team Stalin's Speed
  9. * Team Ame gasses out Team Stalin
  10. * Cass' Precog doesn't work
  11.  
  12. Stalin
  13. * Stat posting
  14. * Cass = Batman
  15. * Batman Anti-feats
  16. * Team Ame lets themselves be hit by bullets
  17. * Sara is slow
  18.  
  19. R2
  20.  
  21. Ame
  22. * Team Stalin is lacking in esoteric resistances
  23. * "Lady literally just dies to anything my team decides to throw at her. If she gets tagged once she's out."
  24. * "All the Cass scaling is bad. Like half of its just bad feats, and the other half is scaling a serious striking feat to a sparing session."
  25. * Batman anti-feats aren't true either in context of today
  26. * Roland's setting, guns are stronger due to being in the future + appropiate statements
  27. * Roland can tank gun wounds anyways
  28. * Sara piercing resistance good
  29. * Only Luka has relevant striking and Team Ame can deal with it
  30. * Team Ame is more defensibly bullet-timing than Team Stalin
  31. * Team Ame Range > Team Stalin Range
  32. * Batman Skilled
  33.  
  34. Stalin
  35. * Batman and Sara's durability is not as good as stated
  36. * Roland's durability is just fake
  37. * Luka's durability is real
  38. * Cass is fast as fuck bro
  39. * Nightwing WAS trying with Cass
  40. * Holy Batman anti-feat dump
  41. * Lady is definitively a bullet timer
  42. * Batman isn't as intelligent as claimed
  43.  
  44. R3
  45. Ame
  46. * A lot of Cass' speed comes from her ability to read foes and she isn't as fast without it. This is a huge factor to 2 out of 3 of Ame's team.
  47. * NW scaling can be inconsistent
  48. * Lady's aim is really bad
  49. * Lady's scaling is kinda sus from different writers
  50. * Lady's damage output is kind of questionable
  51. * Luka's piercing likely isn't that much of a buff from his strength
  52. * Luka's attacks are telegraphed and he doesn't have any esoteric resistance
  53. * "Finding a couple anti-feats over 2400 appearances isn't impressive."
  54. * Batman upgrade log
  55.  
  56. Stalin
  57. * Lady missing aren't real except for like one
  58. * Demons being vulnerable isn't real
  59. * "Lady shoots small caliber bullets, this will lower your character's fear of them."
  60. * Luka despite being a telegraphed attacker will still fight and tag bullet timers
  61. * Current suit has a lot of anti-feats
  62.  
  63. Here's a few opinions I am going to shed to give both debaters a sense of what I was convinced by:
  64. * Cass is NOT equal to Batman
  65. * Lady has like no durability what so ever
  66. * Team Stalin overall doesn't have a lot of esoteric resistance
  67. * Batman's current feats as of most recent while not "objectively bad" are at least questionable
  68. * Demons being vulnerable to bullets was kind of a sus argument
  69. * Team Ame lets themselves get hit by bullets
  70. * The entire house feat was also just fake
  71.  
  72. There's probably a lot bigger points that I haven't mentioned quite yet, but my takeaways generally is this
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  74. * Arguing anti-feats a lot of the time is more trouble than its worth IMO unless you are legitimately as knowledgeable about the topic matter as the user running the character. While this isn't to say both people didn't score themselves a ton of proverbial points when dumping them, there seemed to usually be a 'reason' as to why the anti-feats weren't valid. I think some of the anti-feats were for sure factoring into my opinion shifts, but a lot of the time they seemed to just be a proverbial rebuttal Stalingrad which ultimately dials back to square 1.
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  76. * Ultimately, I think Stalin takes this by a smidge. While Ame says the gas propagates, we don't really have an idea of how fast it does so (nor does he even say that I think). With how Lady has the fuckgood aim feat of SHOOTING A BULLET OUT OF MID-AIR and the fact that while I think Batman is generally 'resistant' to bullets but not "lol 50 cals don't do anything to me', I think he's more likely to get taken down by it. Coupled with how Stalin points out his characters' guns "don't" look all that lethal in comparison, I think his team can quickly turn this into a 2v3 and snowball from there.
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