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- Jessica Law:
- Bc it ain’t mine
- maybe mike but idk
- Leila:
- Idk don’t think so
- Def no loofa or anything
- Jessica Law:
- Fuckin weird
- Leila:
- My color conditioner and I shampoo have and my baby conditioner I have. I didn’t bring shampoo
- Idk
- Jessica Law:
- Oof, idk, thx - very strange
- Leila:
- 🤷♀️
- Pic?
- Jessica Law:
- I’ll just ask mike later I mean you would remember
- They’re like those big pump jug size
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- Leila:
- Yeah then not mine
- I like pusheen Luna
- Did you read discord
- ?
- I’d appreciate some kind of response
- Or acknowledgment that you read it at the very least
- Jessica Law:
- i read it
- i always read what you write
- i mean, you need to do what you want to do
- idk what you’d want me to say about it
- Leila:
- Ok
- Nothing
- Jessica Law:
- do you want me to leave you alone?
- Leila:
- Just got anything genuine about the year+ I’ve been working hard and closely with you.
- Jessica Law:
- ?
- Leila:
- I didn’t mean to type got
- Jessica Law:
- i mean i wrote a whole recommendation about you, all of it true, i would hope by now you know how i feel and how helpful youve been
- Leila:
- Ok
- Jessica Law:
- i didnt think i needed to iterate that
- and i didnt think this was the end
- so i wasn’t treating it as such
- Leila:
- It’s the end of haven, considering
- I’m not going to demand or beg
- Jessica Law:
- i’m literally going off of what you said, that you wanted a break
- Leila:
- But I’d have appreciated at least a simple kind response, and not to have to ask if you’ve read things
- Ok
- Jessica Law:
- sorry today was very busy, i woke up to chaos
- so after closing all the dms you left
- i probably just forgot or responded in my head
- Leila:
- Ok
- not a single response from anyone even you doesn’t feel good
- It is what it is
- Jessica Law:
- 😐
- Leila:
- Ok
- I’m not sure how to take that or what it means
- I’m sorry I asked for a response instead of knowing everything I should have. I don’t want to wind up in the same place.
- Just a sad ending to everything
- Few nice words would have been appreciated
- Felt odd being texted as if nothing happened and then feeling bad for even asking if you’d read it or had a response, Bc of the expectation that I should already know everything.
- Jessica Law:
- im sorry i didnt have anything to say
- i thought a text would be a response
- Leila:
- About shampoo?
- Felt very dismissive and hurtful
- Jessica Law:
- man i just cant win
- Leila:
- Ok
- I don’t know how to take that either
- Jessica Law:
- i dont see how talking to you is dismissive
- to me if anything it’s a sign of continuity
- Leila:
- I think that not responding to something so massive and being texted about something random seems dismissive
- Especially considering how I felt prior to leaving
- I don’t want to argue
- It is done
- Harnessing any expectations is not serving me well. Even a thank you and I hope you feel better. But I stepped down or away and had nothing, not even a response from you, as if all the time spent was nothing.
- I think it’s unfair to expect me to automatically know or not feel bad about writing and no response Bc of chaos or whatever else. That felt dismissive
- Jessica Law:
- no fuck that
- Leila:
- It was a good thing for me and something I thought I was doing to give back and put an extreme amount of effort into
- Jessica Law:
- bc not responding to one message doesnt say boo compared to everything you’ve already heard me say
- stop
- Leila:
- It wasn’t one message, I left all the servers completely and stepped down completely
- I’m so confused as to why it’s like a seemingly random minor thing
- I just wanted a conclusion
- Jessica Law:
- that i didnt respond to one message?
- we talked the entire time you were doing that
- Leila:
- You don’t owe me anything Jess
- Jessica Law:
- thats not what you seem to be saying
- your message is very clearly that my response was wrong for you
- Leila:
- I didn’t get a response
- Jessica Law:
- that it somehow negates your whole existence on haven
- Leila:
- I wrote something intense and was texted about shampoo
- Jessica Law:
- you confuse me
- Leila:
- I’m sorry
- I don’t want to continue this
- I don’t want to upset you further and I don’t want to share things Bc I don’t think it’s healthy
- And I don’t want to dive deeper and argue
- I said what I have and it was genuine and I meant it when I said I hope I did some good and that I’m grateful
- I think that’s the best place to leave things
- I want to walk away feeling that the time I did put in was worth it and not having an argument or repeating the past
- And I have walked away
- I simply said it felt dismissive Bc I would have liked a response to what I wrote and not the expectation that I should know better and feel fine not getting any response. You don’t owe me anything and vice versa. I don’t want to function off that base.
- You have me a lot of good and I can only hope it was mutual
- Learning a lot of negative things about me from others on the server was also hurtful and was something I mentioned and I felt that it was ok to share and I felt like it would have been nice to have a response to what I wrote after leaving the servers.
- I think it’s unhealthy for both of us clearly
- I would you can at least understand how not receiving a response to what I wrote felt dismissive especially followed by something very random, and considering how I’ve felt and what I’ve experienced in being ignored while working on haven. I would like some understanding but that’s not an expectation it’s just something I feel might have made me feel a bit less bad
- I have walked away and I have nothing to show for it and learning more negatives about myself especially inaccurate ones feels pretty horrible considering how many hours and weeks and months and over a year I dedicated to it and worked it as if it was a real paying job, and Bc I was passionate about
- If I felt owed something I would never have done that
- It came from the heart and I never once asked for any kind of compensation
- In fact I turned it down
- So hearing for you and seeing your anger or the idea that I am pushing towards the side of feeling owed something also is hurtful to me.
- I put in more hours than many people do for most legit paying jobs for a while. I didn’t think even think about compensation Bc it never crossed my mind. I don’t want to end my time in haven on that kind of premise
- Bc I never expected anything back
- Jessica Law:
- youre literally saying to me i dismissed you and negated everything youve ever done for the haven because i didnt reply to one message
- Leila:
- No
- I’m saying exactly what I typed
- Which is how I felt
- And it wasn’t one random message. It was a very massive beyond heartbreaking decision and I had left the servers which happened after you went to sleep. I don’t think it’s one toss off random thing. It was a big deal, at least to me.
- If you feel how you do I can’t change that
- Jessica Law:
- i mean, i just cant help that i didnt have something to say
- Leila:
- Ok
- Jessica Law:
- like, seriously today was busy
- from the second i woke up
- and it continues to be so
- Leila:
- Ok
- Jessica Law:
- when i read i think i didnt have a response
- this isnt a diss on you
- but i didnt think it was a huge deal either since all of this was “im on a break”
- Leila:
- It wasn’t a break after everything I wrote.
- And you don’t owe me anything
- Like I said
- I did what I did Bc it came from the heart
- I can’t control how it ends if I decided to leave
- But it felt like an immensely dismissive ending, in many ways, past your few words or lack there of.
- I have to hold tight all the good and all that I felt was positive
- Jessica Law:
- ok
- i didnt glean from that that you were gone for good
- which would be why i didnt react the way you wanted
- Leila:
- I didn’t say I will never ever come back but I think that stepping down and leaving he servers completely is quite a massive indication that I stepped down and away from haven. You said for admins it was an everyday expectation and that isn’t something I can offer anymore. I wanted anything genuine
- I don’t want a response Bc I expected it
- Or thought it was right
- Even just leaving the servers is clearly a big deal. I don’t know how else or what other words or actions were necessary or needed to indicate what they did.
- And hearing that I should have known how you felt Bc you wrote me a recommendation also felt kind of bad
- Jessica Law:
- leila honey i cant
- everything i do hurts you
- Leila:
- Bc all I said what that it was hurtful and dismissive to not receive a response to what I wrote
- Ok
- I’m not painting you ill
- Jessica Law:
- its not meant to but it seems to always be that way
- Leila:
- Ok
- Jessica Law:
- you are tho
- and maybe you dont see it
- Leila:
- Saying that things are hurtful and I may not agree
- Doesn’t mean you are bad especially when I follow it with so many positives
- But perhaps it isn’t good for either of us
- Like you said
- And I am sorry for both of us that even this seems to be an argument and time consuming and all I would have liked is a response to what I wrote and the fact that I literally left the servers.
- You clearly are busy and have a lot going on
- And you feel that what I’ve said is unfair. I’m sorry you feel that way but I do want to make it evident how clearly I worked extremely hard with no expectation of any compensation. So I would like to not end on such a note. And I love you and want you to grow and build what you want and help people how you want.
- I only wish you the ultimate best in everything and reaching your goals how I have from the first time I met you
- I guess I shouldn’t have expected or felt bad about not getting a response. I think we see things differently. I don’t want that to result in bads
- I’ve made the decision which was best for me.
- Jessica Law:
- you did and i think it is wise
- Leila:
- I think you have made the decision of what’s best for you
- And it’s that simple
- Jessica Law:
- alright
- my mom is here
- Leila:
- Ok
- I’ll let you go
- Jessica Law:
- mean i’m around, just if it takes me a while
- Leila:
- Ok
- It’s all good
- Jessica Law:
- look bottom line even if i dont do everything right, im your friend
- and bc if that i always appreciate you
- no matter what
- Leila:
- Thanks Jess
- Same
- Hope you have a good rest of the day
- Jessica Law:
- wait
- u have to see
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- nnnngh
- Leila:
- Very cute
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