Tuesday, April 2, 2019

[4:13 AM]
.rookie:
    i made a list of na players, is this accurate u think?
    Scout Skill tier list

    1. yomps
    2. b4nny
    3. arekk
    4. slemnish
    5. corsa
    6. botmode
    7. highfive
    8. paddie
    9. alfa
    10.
    11. midas
    12. gungeon
    13. playmo
    14. vosico
    15.
    16. saam
    of players who still play

[4:15 AM]
Console-:
    well for 1 there are more than 9 na scouts
    in invite

[4:15 AM]
.rookie:
    invite isn’t what it used to be

[4:15 AM]
Console-:
    sandblast is definitely better than like half of this list lol

[4:16 AM]
.rookie:
    oh yeah I forgot about him
    he might be 5th place

[4:16 AM]
Console-:
    also would put saam above playmo

[4:16 AM]
.rookie:
    or right between high five and boy mode
    mmmm
    I saw Sam do some really weird stuff
    like not watching enough and letting things in idk

[4:17 AM]
Console-:
    mu should definitely be in the top 4
    honestly the dude is crazy on flank scout

[4:18 AM]
.rookie:
    .-.

[4:18 AM]
Console-:
    consistently drops 275+ dpm and top 4 fraggers in the server with 5-7% heals

[4:18 AM]
.rookie:
    idk about mu

[4:19 AM]
Console-:
    also some of these players arent even playing scout rn
    paddie's playing soldier for chaos control

[4:19 AM]
.rookie:
    oh damn on the Wikipedia it said scout
    yeah I didn’t want him on the list anyway

[4:20 AM]
Console-:
    you're also missing cukei who's been a monster scout this season

[4:21 AM]
.rookie:
    sorry he doesn’t deserve :p

[4:21 AM]
Console-:
    he is definitely better than some players on this list lol
    idek if ive heard of gungeon
    and you havent played in a minute

[4:22 AM]
.rookie:
    I know my stuff :p

[4:22 AM]
Console-:
    no offense but im pretty sure a playoffs scout should be considered more skilled than im players

[4:23 AM]
.rookie:
    I mean do you think invite is scary right now

[4:23 AM]
Console-:
    yea theres a lot of talent in invite this season

[4:24 AM]
.rookie:
    I disagree lol

[4:24 AM]
Console-:
    also im pretty sure h5 didnt even play this season
    u gotta be meming or trolling me right

[4:26 AM]
.rookie:
    invite was way scarier back when people cared about tf2 more

[4:27 AM]
Console-:
    top invite was more competitive back when we had LAN because classic mixup existed
    but other than that theres still been plenty of good players in invite
    i think you just might not have been following the top of the scene too closely

[4:28 AM]
.rookie:
    I just have extremely high standards

[4:29 AM]
Console-:
    putting players who have never played invite above players who have made invite playoffs a multitude of times isn't a high standard, it's just flat out incorrect analysis of player skill lol

[4:30 AM]
.rookie:
    I made it in 60s to look for assassination targets:p

[4:31 AM]
Console-:
    ?

[4:31 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah imma takedown someone on this list

[4:31 AM]
Console-:
    chief are u ok
    i need what you're smoking lmao

[4:32 AM]
.rookie:
    ye

[4:33 AM]
Console-:
    theoretically if i had to choose 1 player to perma remove from invite would probably be grant for pretty obvious reasons

[4:34 AM]
.rookie:
    no I meant like assassinate by usurping
    with skill
    besides the only reason na plays fast is because b4nny
    so na always beats eu

[4:34 AM]
Console-:
    yea thats not really true lol

[4:35 AM]
.rookie:
    mmh
    yeah we probably already were aggressive
    froyo is very fast tho
    so we all look up to that

[4:35 AM]
Console-:
    like froyo dont really play fundementally different than the other playoff teams
    they just have crazy dm and outkill everyone else
    bear brought that up when discussing froyo's dominance and after watching carefully on some casts i've done gotta agree with him

[4:36 AM]
.rookie:
    cause everyone plays like them imo
    if banny died tho...

[4:37 AM]
Console-:
    i mean its not like everyone just attempts to mirror froyo (obviously not, froyo have different map pools than the other teams)

[4:37 AM]
.rookie:
    u don’t think ppl do?

[4:37 AM]
Console-:
    not on purpose

[4:37 AM]
.rookie:
    most ppl use their examples idk

[4:38 AM]
Console-:
    the strats froyo and the other top invite teams use just happen to be the most effective under the current ruleset

[4:38 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah

[4:38 AM]
Console-:
    because froyo's execution are perfect examples
    due to their superior mechanical skill
    the only real strategic advantages froyo have are comms and their ability to adjust at halftime
    and roster stability i guess
    given a purpose built froyo killer roster that worked for a few seasons together with the same 4-5 player core i can see a team easily besting froyo

[4:40 AM]
.rookie:
    it’s entirely possible

[4:40 AM]
Console-:
    the *actual* reason that froyo are so hard to beat is that a team with a consistent roster with top players that practice regularly hasnt existed pretty much since mix^
    at least in north america
    obviously se7en and their previous rosters (crowns, nerdrage, etc) have always been close

[4:41 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah they pick the best players so.
    sec
    like no one in the world can stop yomps
    no one in the world can stop habib

[4:42 AM]
Console-:
    like if froyoblack from last season stayed mostly together and maybe swapped 1-2 players and played again this season would probably take a series off froyo

[4:42 AM]
.rookie:
    idk what you’re supposed to do to that
    if only

[4:42 AM]
Console-:
    habib actually plays like a mongo lol

[4:42 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah but he’s really good at it lol
    and that effort
    yomps is really special tho

[4:43 AM]
Console-:
    eh not really

[4:43 AM]
.rookie:
    who what

[4:43 AM]
Console-:
    i mean yes by and large he is one of the best players in the world
    but he's not so far ahead of every other pocket that he's unbeatable (or scout for that matter)

[4:44 AM]
.rookie:
    i think his scout is that good
    soldier eh
    he made it work amazingly in that one season with little heals

[4:44 AM]
Console-:
    keep in mind soldier is the class he is currently playing and has been for seasons now

[4:44 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah he’s still better on scout imo
    he wins about 70-80% of fights against b4nny
    fair fights 1v1 scout etc
    but b4nny isn’t really a dueling main

[4:45 AM]
Console-:
    i think you forget players like corsa exist
    he's not the most mechanically skilled scout in the game
    also idk where you're getting that statistic
    but that for sure doesnt sound right

[4:46 AM]
.rookie:
    I watched yomps fighting b4nny over the years
    in pugs and stuff
    pretty consistent beat down because yomps specializes in combat
    b4nny is more of a combo player

[4:48 AM]
Console-:
    ?
    b4nny for sure is one of the most mechanically talented scouts in NA right now
    especially in the past 4-5 seasons
    like rn if we're talking an optimal froyokiller team

    corsa/mu scouts
    marmaloo pocket
    jayhyunpae roamer
    mae demo
    bear medic
    get that team consistently scrimming and staying together for more than a season and they take a grand final series if not best froyo outright

[4:50 AM]
.rookie:
    we need a newer better pugchamp

[4:50 AM]
Console-:
    like claiming froyo is absolutely untouchable in NA is like saying Astralis is completely untouchable in CSGO

[4:51 AM]
.rookie:
    I believe that team would do really well in bet of 1s
    best*
    but like once it’s study time
    bo3/5s it can get figured out

[4:51 AM]
Console-:
    i would disagree
    you've got strong calling in corsa and marm
    pretty much all around you have players who are in the top 5 in the world on their class mechanically
    mu and jay as a flank pair would actually be crazy to see, especially on wider open flanks like sunshine and metalworks

[4:53 AM]
.rookie:
    hm
    yeah maybe blaze would actually have to warm up :P

[4:54 AM]
Console-:
    like this team is gonna be neigh unbeatable on via
    especially if you get jay sniping?

[4:54 AM]
.rookie:
    give em adderall lol
    holy shit give the Korean (jay) adderall
    game over
    we

[4:55 AM]
Console-:
    like you arguably have the number 2/4 scouts in NA, the best 2 soldiers in NA mechanically (theres an arguement for laz vs marm but i tend to lean with marm for attitude reasons)

[4:56 AM]
.rookie:
    marm is a legit challenger
    he has my blessing

[4:57 AM]
Console-:
    like the only ? for me is bear, i think some other medics might fit the team dynamic better but in terms of pure raw mechanical skill he's for sure up there
    maybe swap him for ninjanick
    point is froyo are definitely beatable
    hell i think even if ascent dont do it this season if they stick together mostly they have a good chance next season

[5:12 AM]
.rookie:
    1. yomps
    2. b4nny
    3. arekk
    4. slemnish
    5. corsa
    6. botmode
    7. highfive
    8. alfa
    9.
    10.
    11.
    12.
    13.
    14.
    15. midas
    16.
    17.
    18. gungon
    19.playmo
    20.vosico
    there
    imma fill it with more ppl
    is sandblast better than slemnish?

[5:15 AM]
Console-:
    i think so

[5:15 AM]
.rookie:
    dam

[5:15 AM]
Console-:
    also corsa is better than arekk and slem lol

[5:15 AM]
.rookie:
    i disagree
    corsa has perfect mechanics
    and thats his best strength

[5:16 AM]
Console-:
    also again
    there are a bunch of non-scouts on this list

[5:16 AM]
.rookie:
    corsa>sandblast?
    yeah i dont know everyones names

[5:16 AM]
Console-:
    like ur #1 is not a scout, ur #6 is not a scout, and ur #7 doesnt play anymore

[5:16 AM]
.rookie:
    why are you picking at that?
    yomps is still the best scout
    and he plays
    its just a simple list

[5:18 AM]
Console-:
    of all time? of players playing right now? of mechanical skill? overall skill? does offclassing ability come into play?

[5:18 AM]
.rookie:
    thats autistic shit

[5:18 AM]
Console-:
    u gotta be more specific my guy

[5:18 AM]
.rookie:
    why?
    i'm here to get good
    not make the best list of 2019

[5:19 AM]
Console-:
    if you're just trying to make a list of scouts in order of skill level and what kind of ladder per say you'd have to climb i'd still make a lot of revisions lol

[5:19 AM]
.rookie:
    ok

[5:19 AM]
Console-:
    also would definitely not place you as the 20th best scout playing rn in NA no offense

[5:19 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah ik thats why i'm making this stuff
    because people don't know how good i am :P
    and it'll make me want to train to show you guys

[5:20 AM]
Console-:
    you havent played in 2 seasons and you havent played a full season of IM
    best way to do that is to just find a team and show your skill them?
    then*

[5:21 AM]
.rookie:
    yep

[5:21 AM]
Console-:
    like there are very *very* few players who actively play, arent on a team, and have been considered crazy good

[5:21 AM]
.rookie:
    i guess

[5:21 AM]
Console-:
    i think mak in the past was one of them tho he's actually been playing in IM for a bit so that's been remedied

[5:22 AM]
.rookie:
    doesn't really matter to me

[5:22 AM]
Console-:
    like if the point of making a list like this is to see who you really want to prove yourself better than as you climb it's pretty simple
    just pull up ESEA, go through the teams above 13th place IM, and list scouts

[5:23 AM]
.rookie:
    i'm not a normal player man

[5:24 AM]
Console-:
    you havent played in 2 seasons and idk how often you regularly pug

[5:24 AM]
.rookie:
    ^trying to be negative
    why are you being defeatist before anything begins?
    why do you keep saying things aren't possible
    its weird

[5:25 AM]
Console-:
    but most often exceptionally skilled players who pug regularly and claim to be above their proven skill level either A) actively choose not to play on a team or B) arent as good as they claim
    i'm not

[5:25 AM]
.rookie:
    sounds like you think I can't do it, though.

[5:26 AM]
Console-:
    that's not true
    i watched fygg climb from lowpen shitter to a mid invite demo
    and grape juice climb from a pubber on my first ESEA team as a sub to a decent IM talent on roamer
    i just think it's unlikely your current skill level is reflected as high as you describe

[5:27 AM]
.rookie:
    ye thats what i wanted to hear

[5:27 AM]
Console-:
    impossible for anyone to know until you roster on a team

[5:27 AM]
.rookie:
    no
    maybe for you
    but I know
    tf2 is my game and you can't fake fighting skill.

[5:28 AM]
Console-:
    well yea but team cohesion, attitude, comms, and practice ethic are all important aspects of skill level that can't really be measured outside of a team environment to their fullest extent

[5:29 AM]
.rookie:
    mainly the reason why i'm able to rank so high is
    not many rly good active scouts rn

[5:30 AM]
Console-:
    i would disagree and point out again that you havent been very active in the scene for at least 2 seasons; been overseeing NA TFTV and have pretty much watched every NA broadcast
    theres so much scout talent in NA rn

[5:30 AM]
.rookie:
    doesn't mean i can't kill the rank 16-32 scouts right now lol

[5:30 AM]
Console-:
    maybe in MGE

[5:30 AM]
.rookie:
    nop

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
    on a real team probably not

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
    im not a mge player
    more of a dm sorta player :3

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
    mgelord, dmlord, same difference different mod

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
    seriously your doubt is getting tiresome

[5:31 AM]
Console-:
    you're basically caliming you could play top IM or invite with nothing to back it up

[5:31 AM]
.rookie:
    no
    i'm saying i could kill those scouts lol
    i did play 4th place im
    and im pretty sure im 30% stronger than i was then
    cause it was like 2 years ago

[5:33 AM]
Console-:
    ? neither of the 2 IM teams you have ESEA history with made playoffs S27

[5:33 AM]
.rookie:
    wait no 5th place
    it was with amulet/j4v/goku/playmo
    anyway, yeah its weird
    whatever i'll succeed and then later you'll tell me i can't get higher
    such is life :p

[5:35 AM]
Console-:
    if you're referring to S26 there was no IM, and you placed 8th

[5:35 AM]
.rookie:
    oh, damn
    i don't really keep track of the seasons
    they sorta become a big blur to me
    i just care about improvement

[5:36 AM]
Console-:
    also you played in neither of the playoff series

[5:36 AM]
.rookie:
    didn't work out with goku on the flank

[5:36 AM]
Console-:
    actually that is a lie
    you played in 1

[5:37 AM]
.rookie:
    i remember the dude that replaced me got horrible kda in those after games
    goku was sooo hard to flank with
    but yeah, i think IM was stronger back then
    because after tf2pl the leagues sorta shifted up

[5:38 AM]
Console-:
    there was no IM and you're talking about what was arguably one of the weakest seasons of ESEA in terms of talent

[5:38 AM]
.rookie:
    damn bruh its like you want to hurt me

[5:38 AM]
Console-:
    i'm just trying to be objective, no personal offense meant

[5:38 AM]
.rookie:
    i just don't think theres many good scouts out there right now
    and that i can kill them
    thats it
    and because i believe that
    i can actually do it

[5:39 AM]
Console-:
    that's not quite how that works

[5:39 AM]
.rookie:
    it is to me
    i'm insane
    tf2 is my game man

[5:39 AM]
Console-:
    same, otherwise i would have dropped tftv and just moved to fulltime CSGO/OW observing

[5:41 AM]
.rookie:
    so whats the number then
    like 48?

[5:41 AM]
Console-:
    like number of scouts better than you?
    idk

[5:41 AM]
.rookie:
    yeah
    that currently play
    holy yomps takes the #1 spot

[5:43 AM]
Console-:
    as i said cant really tell until i see you on a team

[5:43 AM]
.rookie:
    then i say 38 48 or 28
    depending on how generous the seasons are
    proably 38 rn
    i got the secret knowledges

[5:44 AM]
Console-:
    like with no other context would probably place you ~mid IM rn, which lines up with ~top 50ish in NA

[5:44 AM]
.rookie:
    no i can easily smash mid IM players
    no contest

[5:45 AM]
Console-:
    like if you made an LFT right now where would you be looking

[5:45 AM]
.rookie:
    4th-8th place IM team to get back in the groove
    and then to a 4-16 invite team

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
    yea that's definitely not the case lol

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
    you even said- you don't know how good i am
    yet again you default to absolutely no.
    i'm not a normal player man

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
    i implore you to go create an LFT and see for yourself

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
    ...
    you're being a dick

[5:46 AM]
Console-:
    i'm not

[5:46 AM]
.rookie:
    i'm not looking for a team right now
    i haven't been getting my name out because i'm not playing right now lol
    but i still play tf2
    haven't taken a break in 8 years

[5:47 AM]
Console-:
    im just saying you havent played in 2 seasons, and havent played on a notable team in 4, and have no real recent results to go off of

[5:48 AM]
.rookie:
    ok

[5:48 AM]
Console-:
    just because you can kill players in a DM server does not mean you are a better player than them

[5:48 AM]
.rookie:
    ...
    i keep disproving you
    further and further
    i dont give a fuck about this anymore
    go away'

[5:48 AM]
Console-:
    lol ok