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- 100% Route Blast Mask segment analysis
- ===
- (done on english, so lose like 1-2m igt)
- ct owl as goron > sword school > enter nct as goron = 7:19 to 8:22 = 1h03m (+- 1 min)
- ct owl as human > sword school > enter nct as human = 6:16 to 7:26 = 1h10m (+- 1 min)
- ===
- (based on one of Trev's past broadcasts)
- swamp owl > stick > picture hp > swamp maps > bad bat hp ~40-42m
- bad bat hp > enter shooting ~13m
- 51.60 (2640) swamp shooting was ~ 6:13 to 8:15 ~ 2h02m
- 51.70 (2640) swamp shooting was ~ 8:15 to 10:16 ~ 2h01m
- 40 + 13 + 2 + 1 + 4h = 4h56m for swamp segment
- SoDT at swamp owl means done with swamp at about 10:56-11:00
- Clock Town owl > sword school > rosa > blast mask ~ 11:00 to 11:59 (rosa) to 12:05/12:06 (human rolls) ~ 1h06m (Trev 5:54:59, finished sword school around 11:55-11:56, want to finish closer to 12:06 ish)
- SoDT at swamp owl > swamp + sword school + rosa + enter nct ~ 12:02-12:06 enter NCT
- ===
- canyon owl > poe > gibdo > castle hp > mirror shield ~ 1:45-1:47 depending on gibdo clip strat (no tingle maps)
- swamp (sodt at bad bat hp) + canyon (no tingle maps) ~ 4h16m + 1h47m = 6h03m
- ct owl > enter nct (human movement) ~ 12:31 to 12:34 ~ 3-4m
- ===
- (English might want to wait a little bit after soaring to swamp owl to reliably fit in postman before blast mask, this blast mask segment should be optimally tight for English)
- ===
- Alternate Blast/Aliens Route for JP (worth timing?)
- Idea: do swamp roof HP before blast mask to use up more igt
- Main Idea:
- (In milk road, take picture of tingle while he is in the air, will shoot him and buy maps during aliens segment)
- SoDT after soaring to swamp owl (skips transition)
- deku stick
- tingle picture hp
- swamp roof hp
- swamp tingle maps
- bad bat tree hp
- swamp shooting quiver + HP
- SoS Clock Town
- Sword School HP
- Rosa HP
- Enter NCT (blast mask)
- blast mask
- Milk Bar Clip for circus leader's mask
- SoS Ikana
- Canyon Tingle Maps (this saves time on text AND gives extra 60r in cycle 2; more helpful for ENG because blue potion)
- Poe House HP
- Gibdo Mask
- Ikana Castle HP
- Mirror Shield
- SoS Milk Road
- Milk Road Tingle Maps
- Aliens
- (i.e. same as old aliens route except it adds in tingle maps which is good since you could still be pretty early with old route)
- ===
- * First we will be timing these routes as far as real time is concerned (so we are initially disregarding the effect of having to wait for igt to progress and we will account for this later with some sort of "realistic" tolerance)
- (When timing this, we will be making a few assumptions. First, we assume that the current route will not SoDT in the swamp to skip the transition as this may barely be possible, but it wouldn't really be consistent for RTA as far as we are currently aware. Also, although you could perfectly time the SoDT in the current route to be as late to blast mask as possible, it isn't realistic for RTA to frame-perfectly enter NCT, so we may account for this in a way that a runner deems to be "realistic")
- How to time/compare the different blast/alien routes (focusing on JP; would save even more time on ENG because blue potion + postman):
- * Account for equips separately????? Canyon equips will differ a little bit because of tingle maps
- Current:
- Cycle 2:
- Exit bomb shop as goron > enter sword school > hp > catch WCT bomber = 1:02.91 (.25-.5s late split)
- Exit Canyon Fairy Fountain > Canyon Tingle Maps (talking to tingle for the FIRST time in the cycle) > Ikana Owl = 44.07 w/ extra slash
- Exit Witch minigame > Swamp roof HP > grab land next to Swamp Spider House = 9.36
- Cycle 3:
- Hit Milk Road owl > shoot tingle > tingle picture > tingle maps (Talking to Tingle for FIRST time) > blow up boulder > enter ranch = 1:05.31
- Exit Swamp House after tingle picture HP > enter bad bat tree area loading zone= 7.66
- pull ocarina > SoDT to Night 1 in Bad Bat Tree area > gain control = 15.72
- SoS Clock Town owl as human > enter NCT = 4.45
- Enter ECT from TF as goron > enter + exit octo shooting > enter milk bar as human = 21.01
- (Night 2) End Circus Leader Mask as goron > enter wct > rosa HP > talk to banker as human = 1:11.48
- Ikana Owl as human > turn goron > enter Poe House = 13.80
- Milk Road owl as human > enter ranch as goron = 8.30
- End of Cycle 3/Cycle 4
- Ikana owl as human > enter secret shrine = 17.40
- Elegy CS over > exit door + loading zone > pull ocarina = 11.50
- Current = 62.91 + 44.07 + 9.36 + 65.31 + 7.66 + 15.72 + 4.45 + 21.01 + 71.48 + 13.80 + 8.30 + 17.40 + 11.50 = 352.97
- Alternate:
- Cycle 2:
- Exit bomb shop as goron > catch WCT bomber = 7.69
- Exit Canyon Fairy Fountain > Ikana Owl = 8.33
- Exit Witch minigame > grab land near Swamp Spider House (just skip the roof HP) = 5.91
- Cycle 3:
- Hit Milk Road owl > tingle picture in air > blow up boulder > enter ranch = 33.73
- Exit Swamp House after tingle picture HP > roof HP > enter bad bat tree area loading zone = 11.99
- pull ocarina > SoDT to Night 1 in Southern Swamp (no transition) > gain control = 12.31
- SoS Clock Town as human > turn goron > sword school HP > rosa HP > enter NCT = 2:01.25
- control after Blast mask as human > turn goron > enter milk bar w/ clip (have good movement, goron roll up the little ledge instead of hopping up it, line up with fence as goron to avoid grabbing it for setup) = 23.02
- Enter ECT from TF as goron > enter + exit octo shooting > enter WCT > talk to banker as human = 26.19
- Ikana owl as goron > shoot tingle w/ light arrow > tingle maps (FIRST time talking to tingle; for consistency) > enter poe house = 51.16
- Milk Road owl as human > shoot tingle + buy maps (NOT FIRST TIME TALKING TO TINGLE; AT LEAST 2ND TIME) > enter ranch as goron = 37.97
- End of Cycle 3/Cycle 4
- Ikana owl as human > arrow + bomb drop > enter secret shrine = 22.70
- Elegy CS over > pull ocarina = 1.6
- Alternate = 7.69 + 8.33 + 5.91 + 33.73 + 11.99 + 12.31 + 121.25 + 23.02 + 26.19 + 51.16 + 37.97 + 22.70 + 1.6 = 363.85
- ===
- Now that we have real-time timings for each route, we estimate what is realistic for RTA to arrive at blast aliens in each route. Arriving later saves more time, but isn't always realistic. Also have to account for what time you end blast mask in each route (12:52 should be doable in both and neither should have to timestop). We may consider several extremes of speed/safety to compare how tight each route is and then consider these separately.
- ===
- * try again
- c:
- swamp: transition = 3.5s
- a:
- swamp: 0
- current: 62.91 + 3.5 + 4.45 + 21.01 + 71.48 + 13.80 + 17.40 + 11.50 + 3.3 = 209.35
- alternate = 7.69 + 0 + 121.25 + 23.02 + 26.19 + 51.16 + 22.70 + 1.6 = 253?? mistake
- SECOND TRY:
- swamp is same as both (alternate will save X time to getting HP while waiting for igt and save time from transition skip)
- canyon is the same in both (alternate will save Y time from getting tingle)
- milk road is the same in both (alternate will save Z time from getting tingle)
- ~ 3.3s saved from tingle text
- Current:
- clock town owl > enter nct = 4.45
- enter ECT from TF > octo > milk bar = 21.01
- circus mask > rosa hp > banker as human = 1:11.48
- ikana owl > enter shrine = 17.40
- bomb shop > sword school > bomber = 62.91
- Elegy CS over > exit door + loading zone > pull ocarina = 11.50
- so far, current = 4.45 + 21.01 + 71.48 + 17.40 + 62.91 + 11.50 = 188.75
- Alternate:
- clock town owl > sword school + rosa > enter nct = 2:01.25
- blast > milk bar clip = 23.02
- enter ECT from TF > octo > banker as human = 26.19
- ikana owl > bomb + arrow > enter shrine = 22.70
- bomb shop > bomber = 7.69
- Elegy CS over > pull ocarina = 1.6
- so far, alternate = 121.25 + 23.02 + 26.19 + 22.70 + 7.69 + 1.6 = 202.45
- 202.45 - 188.75 = 13.7
- 13.7 - X - Y - Z - transition - tingle text = 13.7 - X - Y - Z - (3.5) - (3.3) = 13.7 - (1.43) - (4.72) - (2.75) - 3.5 - 3.3 = -2
- So, after these additions, alternate saves 2 seconds IF BOTH ROUTES WITHOUT THESE ADDITIONS GET TO RANCH AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE TRUE, SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT IS REALISTIC FOR RUNNERS
- Alternate also saves ~2s from using fish instead of fairy for cremia cs skip 1 (gigo)
- Alternate saves at least 1-2s from extra rupees
- saves 5-6s without "tightness" accounted for (before examining past broadcast)
- To time X, we need:
- exit swamp house > enter transition from below = 5.91
- exit swamp house > roof HP (WITHOUT THE ACTUAL HP TEXT, just get to the heart, stop and resume movement immediately) > enter transition = 7.34
- *Past Broadcast = 9.36 - (5.98-4.01) = 9.36 - 1.97 = 7.39 (this one was pretty accurate)
- X: exclude 4.01 to 5.98
- X = 7.34 - 5.91 = 1.43
- To time Y, we need:
- exit canyon fountain > ikana owl = 8.33,
- exit canyon fountain > "pretend to shoot tingle but dont do it" > "pretend to talk to and avoid talk radius" > ikana owl = 13.05
- *Past Broadcast = (9.41) + (14.35 to 15.89) + (29.38 to 29.92) + (40.2 to 44.07) = 9.41 + 1.54 + .54 + 3.87 = 15.36 (subtract maybe .5 from this to get 14.86 because of extra slash) ~ 14.86
- Y: exclude 9.41 to 14.35, exclude 15.89 to 29.38, exclude 29.92 to 40.2
- Y = 13.05 - 8.33 = 4.72, correction: Y = 14.86 - 8.33 = 6.53
- To time Z, we need:
- milk road owl > pretend to shoot tingle > pretend to take picture > pretend to talk/avoid > blow up boulder > enter ranch = 33.31
- *Past broadcast = 65.31 - (13.37-11.07) - (20.47-15.41) - (38.41-25.24) - (48.73-39.17) = 35.22
- exclude (11.07, 13.37), (15.41, 20.47), (25.24, 38.41), (39.17, 48.73)
- milk road owl > pretend to take picture in air > blow up boulder > enter ranch = 30.56
- *Past Broadcast = 33.73 - (15.88-13.04) = 30.89 (pretty accurate again)
- exclude (13.04, 15.88)
- Z = 33.31 - 30.56 = 2.75, past broadcast Z = 35.22-30.89 = 4.33
- ====================================
- 13.7 - X - Y - Z - (3.5) - (3.3) = 13.7 - 1.43 - 6.53 - 4.33 - 3.5 - 3.3 = -5.39
- if we include fish saving ~2s (gigo), we have -7.39
- In addition, would be able to skip some rupees which would save at least 1-2s, so we have 8.39-9.39 time saved by alternate route WITHOUT "tightness" accounted for.
- Now we compare tightness.
- Aliens (assuming 12:52 blast mask):
- Current: milk road owl around 3:20 (more testing needed perhaps, earlier may be possible)
- Alternate: milk road owl at 3:05 (very well-tested, essentially perfect gameplay, fastest gibdo clip strat)
- Realistic Assumption:
- Given the volatility introduced by wart in the current aliens route, it is not unreasonable for a runner to want to hold the keaton HP up so that it'll be 12:46 after blast mask, which will get the runner to milk road owl around 3:15. Under this assumption, current route saves ~10m igt over alternate route. 10m igt = 7.5s. With ideal gameplay (12:52 blast mask), however, it would save 15m igt which is about 11.25s.
- If you hold up keaton HP for current route, but don't hold it up for alternate route, then (if blast mask segments are about the same "tightness") the alternate route would be better as it would be more consistent and slightly faster. However, if you don't hold up the keaton HP for either route (or if you hold it up for both routes), then the current route is better if you are confident that you won't have to do timestop or anything slower than optimal.
- Blast Mask Segment:
- Needs more testing.
- ======================
- 12:52 to 3:25 is 2h33m
- if hold up keaton text, you have 2h39m
- sos ikana > poe > gibdo > hp = 1h47m
- sos ikana > elegy = 57m
- both canyon segments = 1h47m + 57m = 2h44m
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