Philosphical psychoticism

Monfd
It seems like a good moral dictum to believe "We don't hurt babies", but it's extremely hard to implement, in practice.
poccri
we dont hurt babies unless JUST under 9months in womb here now
poccri
amazing law, means some people were pushing for late abortions hard enough to get it passedddd, whoo???????
Monfd
If you don't want to hurt babies, you can't vote for the GOP, for example.
tsarbomba
looks like trump's in the medical business now https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/30/stripper-turned-pharma-exec-gave-doctor-lap-dance-get-him-prescribe-drugs-officials-say/
tsarbomba
yeah god knows there are millions of women each year who decide to carry a pregnancy for 39 weeks and then just arbitrarily abort it
tsarbomba
because that makes sense in MAGAland
Monfd
As they are climate change conspiracy theorists, leading to the hurt of many babies.
Monfd
98-99% of abortions are before 20 weeks.
tsarbomba
97.3 are before 12 weeks
Monfd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWlOG0fxzdY

Buzzard
~ NOVA - Kyabe Knights - YouTube
poccri
well with politics, hard to pick a side 100% with you, you might accept the abortion stuff for economic stuff and vice versa, if you are 100% with your party you are probably nuts or just blind follower peon!
tsarbomba
there has never been a surviving fetus under 19 weeks gestation
poccri
Abortions are a myth fabricated by scientists in china
tsarbomba
(((scientists)))
Monfd
You have to dramatically reduce meat consumption if you don't want to hurt babies.
fieryUSA
the gop luvs teh fetus.  but hates the baby.  because the baby costs money.  and they will be DAMNED if that baby should have healthcare outside of the parents paying for it.
Monfd
Because non-human babies are a type of baby that is generally forgotten about human speciesists.
Monfd
+by
Monfd
When you drink cow's milk, you are hurting babies.
tsarbomba
this is fucking amazing. i hope the blue lives matter crowd is happy. report #1: The attorney for a St. Louis police officer accused of fatally shooting a colleague called the incident a "tragic accident" and asked the public and police to withhold judgment until all the facts have been presented.
tsarbomba
report #2: The top prosecutor in St. Louis has accused the city’s Police Department of obstructing the investigation into the killing of an officer whose death last week was originally described as an accident that happened while she was playing Russian roulette with a colleague.
Monfd
There are no blue lives.
tsarbomba
YEAH I HAVE TOTAL FAITH IN THE SL METRO PD'S ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE THIS ONE
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tsarbomba
worthit
Monfd
The police exist to serve the people.
Monfd
When they stop being beneficial in that role, the shall be abolished/fired/dismantled.
Monfd
The source of power the police justly have that resists the will of the people are 1) they have expert knowledge in their field and the interests of the people are well-served by expertise, and 2) the police serve some of the long-term interests of the people that might resist shorter-term impulses sometimes expressed by the people.
Monfd
It's an unsolved problem in the noosphere of how to correctly advocate for all the interests of a group of people across multiple time frames.
Monfd
It's probably in a computational complexity class of NP or above.
o_o
MAybe thats why the 'crats are so arrogant. They think they know whats best for us.
Monfd
The Democrats are the only viable party in the United States as of today.
tsarbomba
lol. MAGAcult's reflexive response to literally all of their failures today: "b-b-b-but the democrats"
Monfd
Conditioned on the continued usage of FPTP voting, the Democrats should split into the Progressive Party and the Republican Party.
tsarbomba
this is why people are leaving the GOP in droves
tsarbomba
the proverbial rats evacuating the sinking ship
Monfd
FPTP should be replaced, however, as it's not on the Pareto frontier of voting systems.
o_o
ehehehe
Monfd
That we employ a Pareto interior voting system should be illegal.
Monfd
The scope of the harm of this interior choice is so large it should be conceptualized as a human rights violation.
tsarbomba
the real #walkaway: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/420986-kansas-state-republican-switches-party-affiliation-to-democrat
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~ Kansas state Republican switches party affiliation to Democrat | TheHill
fieryUSA
no doubt...democrats are smug.  but at least they tend to have a reason to.  because usually, liberalism always wins.  all conservatism is, is a detour to liberalism.  it's NEVER a 'wall'.
tsarbomba
http://nj1015.com/senator-switches-parties-says-gop-she-loved-no-longer-exists/
Buzzard
~ Senator switches parties: Says GOP she loved 'no longer exists'
tsarbomba
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/kansas-legislature-republican-democrat/index.html
Buzzard
~ 3 Kansas legislators switch from Republican to Democrat - CNNPolitics
Monfd
fieryUSA: In what way are Democrats smug as compared to non-Democrats?
o_o
Not even a barrier?  :O
Monfd
I suspect you will be unable to defend this claim.
Monfd
This claim is a Republican narrative.
tsarbomba
the face of a smug democrat: https://i.imgur.com/Le4Q8Dq.jpg

Monfd
GOP voters prefer the politically correct speech they are as smart as Democrat voters.
Monfd
They're not, though.
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o_o
Democrats and liberals are far more intellectual. Just ask them.
tsarbomba
democrats are far more productive.
o_o
They'll tell you how it is.
Monfd
o_o: Asking people is not the best methodology to assess the truth of this issue.
tsarbomba
who cares if they're intellectual in that productivity?
Monfd
You have implied that you believe truth emanates from social expressions.
tsarbomba
the fact remains, they do more for this country
Monfd
This indicates you're a pre-Enlightenment thinker, likely.
tsarbomba
up to 6x more, depending on the area
o_o
Well I'm deplorable, I know that for sure.
o_o
Believe me.
Monfd
Given several of us are Enlightenment thinkers, this will result in substantial epistemic conflict on a range of issues that will be confused as being topical disagreement.
tsarbomba
thrilled to finally have an identity
fieryUSA
what you conservatives are whining about today?   you will be praising, in about 30 years.  it NEVER fails.  YOU are the people who whined about elvis shaking his hips.  YOU are the people who tried to maintain slavery.  YOU are the people who complain about cheaters.  and now, you support a thrice married, perpetual cheater.  you never win, because you sell out your principles like a whore
fieryUSA
in a back alley.  two reasons why:  1)if you don't, you go extinct.  2) you never really believed in the bullshit you claimed to, to begin with.
tsarbomba
"MAGAcultist"
Monfd
o_o: I stopped my interaction with you.
Monfd
The posterior on where you reside in IQ-epistemology-personality space is too far from me to be productive.
Monfd
You don't know what that means.
tsarbomba
what are the odds that donald trump has personally paid for fewer than 20 abortions he made necessary?
tsarbomba
*hasn't
tsarbomba
is there any chance at all?
Monfd
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Inferential_distance
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~ Inferential distance - Lesswrongwiki
Monfd
Here's an article that helps explain it.
Monfd
You won't read that article.
Monfd
You'll rely on a pre-programmed evolutionary-social heuristic.
Monfd
It is obsolete.
Monfd
You won't perceive that.
Monfd
You'll run an emotional-leveling response to manage these emotional perceptions.
Monfd
They won't provide insight, but they will assuage anxiety and confusion.
Monfd
And that's what this interaction is about for you, decreasing suffering as opposed to learning.
Monfd
A lifetime of following that strategy resulted in you being less intelligent than those that follower the latter.
Monfd
You won't take accountability for that life choice.
Monfd
You'll deny the effect is real.
Monfd
Inferential distance is a gap between the background knowledge and epistemology of a person trying to explain an idea, and the background knowledge and epistemology of the person trying to understand it.
Monfd
For example, explaining the evidence for the theory of evolution to a physicist would be easy; even if the physicist didn't already know about evolution, they would understand the concepts of evidence, Occam's razor, naturalistic explanations, and the general orderly nature of the universe. Explaining the evidence for the theory of evolution to someone without a science background would be much harder. Before even mentionin
Monfd
g the specific evidence for evolution, you would have to explain the concept of evidence, why some kinds of evidence are more valuable than others, what does and doesn't count as evidence, and so on. This would be unlikely to work during a short conversation.
Monfd
There is a short inferential distance between you and the physicist; there is a very long inferential distance between you and the person without any science background. Many members of Less Wrong believe that expecting short inferential distances is a classic error. It is also a very difficult problem to solve, since most people will feel offended if you explicitly say that there is too great an inferential distance betwee
Monfd
n you to explain a theory properly. Some people have attempted to explain this through evolutionary psychology: in the ancestral environment, there was minimal difference in knowledge between people, and therefore no need to worry about inferential distances.
Monfd
I have completed my analysis on that topic at this time.
tsarbomba
^the right is terribly unfunny
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tubman_
too many illegals coming in
Paulus
hi tubman_ - how they do it  - do they use rusty russky submarines ?
tubman_
no they walk confidently and step over barrier
tsarbomba
i hear MAGAcult is getting awfully excited over maroon 5's super bowl halftime appearance
Paulus
then the barrier not high enuff
tubman_
^
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Paulus
hi tsarbomba - who is doing the super bowl gig this year ?
Monfd
Moron 5? Is that what they call the remain Cabinet?
tubman_
i hope lady gaga and bradly cooper make a suprise appearance
Paulus
to patch a barrier is an engineering challenge
Paulus
yes lady gaga has a heavy voice pad
Monfd
One of the most honorable things we humans can do is be kind to non-humans
Monfd
In those brief moments of kindness and humility, we bring honor and redemption to our wretched species
Monfd
Creating a brief pause in the eternal suffering of all life on this Earth, where baby pigs can feel safe for a fleeting moment before being culled in our Food Machines or fall to disease and age
Paulus
Paul Whealn looks more like the farmer victim in a chess play - isnt it ?
Paulus
when he is a spy - then godzilla is a pet
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Monfd
During the partial government shutdown some of our human family cut down centuries old Joshua trees.
Monfd
Such is the nature of our family to kill our tree elders who watched since before our nation was born
Monfd
I apologize to those trees destroyed and I remind the world that we are still in the childhood of our species
Monfd
There is hope we'll be a more noble species in the future
tsarbomba
willie colon, king of the trombone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTkzhvUhwM

Buzzard
~ El Dia de mi Suerte - Salsa con Héctor Lavoe, Willie Colón (sonido de lujo) - YouTube
Monfd
Remember the final scene from Star Trek TNG?
Monfd
Picard has the insight about the anti-time nebula and resolves the paradox
Monfd
Q tells him he did it.
Monfd
Q : You just don't get it, do you, Jean-Luc? The trial never ends. We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons. And for one brief moment, you did.
Monfd
Q : Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. *That* is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence.
Monfd
These moments occur for us when we are kind to those beings who we have the power to destroy
Monfd
Not when new movies are released, or we build rocket ships, or experience 10% GDP growth
Monfd
In the scales of eternal justice, there are very, very few points in our favor
Monfd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zvVGJrTP8

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~ Hans Zimmer - No Time For Caution (Interstellar Soundtrack)(Docking)(Interstellar OST) - YouTube
Paulus
hottest rumours - Stormy now working in a 5 to 5 job in Paris
Monfd
PICARD: Q, what is it that you're trying to tell me? (Q nearly whispers in Picard's ear) Q: You'll find out. In any case, I'll be watching. And if you're very lucky, I'll drop by to say hello from time to time. See you out there"
Paulus
russky scientists say - between a twin dark-hole must be a worm-hole - which bends the Spacetime
Paulus
with obesity you cant move into a rocket - lol
Paulus
fake tunnel ?
Monfd
Paulus: Run a level 2 diagnostic on Koyaanisqatsi.
Paulus
hm - wait I check
Monfd
Paulus: Humble yourself before the Interstellar Soundtrack.
Monfd
Get down on bended knee in awe of its beauty.
Paulus
Monfd - was it made by photoshop 4.0 - lol
tsarbomba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz650EkJFKc

Buzzard
~ Hector Lavoe - Aguanile - YouTube
Monfd
Paulus: What, if any connections exist between Koyaanisqatsi and the Ubuntu philosophy?
Paulus
tsarbomba hope u posted an attractive one
Monfd
Please parse the Wikipedia.en database and return your answer.
Monfd
Requirement: Summarization to 140 words.
Paulus
Monfd - sounds like Hare Krishna hare hare rama
Monfd
Paulus: Please update core topology to a generative adversarial network.
Paulus
Monfd - listen to my music @ http://walesz.beepworld.de - then u will become a good guy with fine habits
Buzzard
~ New Sciences1
Paulus
lol >>> take it easy
Monfd
I had a psychotic break two weeks ago.
Monfd
I was reflecting on entropy gradients and how the seed rules of the universe generated complex states with, arguably, emergent rules that can override the seed rules.
Monfd
For example, my brain can construct machines to split atoms or generate self-replicating molecules
Paulus
Montf - u shoulda discuss this with some MIT experts
Monfd
And so there are a billion trillion trillion causal lines in the Earth's biosphere using stellar fusion from the sun to generate things like human civilization, etc.
07:36 Monfd
I was able to experience what Buddhists call a dual realization of emptiness and form
Paulus
yeah some say - we not alone
Monfd
I recognized that I'm actually the universe, but this part of the universe calls itself Monfd
Paulus
Monfd - do u have a Bodhi tree in your home site ?
Monfd
And that all the other things I look at are other parts of me, but most of them don't know they're me
Monfd
I then had a very strange visualization
Monfd
My entire body 'exploded' into the atomic level constituents and I was about 50cm 'thicker' than I normally am
Monfd
To each atom in my body, there was a extremely thin line of causality acting as a puppet's string
Monfd
I looked up and saw the puppet stings coalesce above and behind me, but nobody was holding them
Monfd
I think they were just attached to the universe
Monfd
What I'm saying is that in that moment my identity dissolved and I was the universe seeing I had constructed this Monfd form as a puppet of mine to explore the state space made possible by the seed rules of my universal existence
Monfd
Which made Monfd very uncomfortable, as they couldn't tell what was 'real'
Monfd
hehe
Monfd
Buddhism talks about these phenomenon
Monfd
The 'psychotic' part occurred because I had no sense of morality as it's conceptualized by humans
Monfd
So, for example, it was equivalent for me to disassociating my cat as it was rearranging books on a shelf
Monfd
The Vinaya in Buddhism has teachings of how to handle this
Paulus
who knows - there are more things between Earth and Sky - which our human spirit every can explore - said Jesus Christus to his Disciples
Paulus
all our knowledge is rudimentary
Monfd
The Vinaya prevents you from behaving in a way towards other beings who don't have emptiness perception on the basis of your emptiness perception
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Monfd
One, because it causes suffering for them, and two because if you move back into a form existence -- a state I'm currently as I chat this -- you'll lament the things you did in emptiness
Monfd
It's very strange having memories of such perceptions
Monfd
You sort of realize the entire human experience is contingent and dull
Monfd
It's a VR game where all the players imagine themselves as 'real' in the game, and don't know what you're talking about when you talk about the VR game