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  1. wolf vs kirb
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  3. r1 kirb
  4.  
  5. * cosmo is faster than fang - akoya scaling
  6. * adam and akoya have better feats than fang, cosmo tanks that
  7. * fang loses first move versus grappling
  8. * cosmo grapple gooder than okubo or hatsumi
  9. * cosmo can switch up grappling mid-grapple
  10. * cosmo wins by simply beginning the fight in a good hold then keeping it up until fang dies
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  12. r1 wolf
  13.  
  14. * fang possesses numerous advantages over cosmo narratively and featswise
  15. * fang's precog scales absurdly above cosmo's, fang's landing first hit
  16. * cosmo may be fast, but he struggles to actually dodge fast blows
  17. * fang is big, fang is strong
  18. * fang is stronger than people who scale to cosmo
  19. * just being in fang's massive range is deadly
  20. * fang has big grip strength
  21. * fang has far more combat experience
  22. * fang's skill advantage is completely overwhelming
  23. * like jfc
  24. * fang is doing more damage to cosmo than vice versa, is constantly evolving, and keeps the match on standing
  25. * okubo and hatsumi scaling is inapplicable
  26. * minor advantages pressed - cosmo is wearing clothes, akoya is a jobber
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  28. r2 kirb
  29.  
  30. * builds don't exist, mainly due to haruo
  31. * weight doesn't exist, mainly due to haruo
  32. * provides counterexamples, ohma beats big man, cosmo could beat big man
  33. * foresight =/= pre-initiative
  34. * hatsumi scaling is still applicable, ohma is slower than cosmo
  35. * hatsumi weak, thus fang weak
  36. * okubo being more durable is an assertion w/o evidence
  37. * gaolang, hatsumi, and kuroki also suck, so fang has 0 strength
  38. * combat experience doesn't matter, counterexamples provided
  39. * gaolang is barely <fang, cosmo is faster than gaolang significantly - long min scaling
  40. * cosmo dodged all of akoya's attacks, gaolang's punches are vaguely faster and most hit fang, there is a large speed gap
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  42. r2 wolf
  43. lol
  44. * builds are real, gives in-story evidence
  45. * scaling for fang provided
  46. * haruo point is dumb, fat =/= muscle
  47. * there exists context as to why some people are stronger despite being smaller
  48. * deva example is dumb due to speed
  49. * koga example is dumb due to skill
  50. * whether its pre-initiative and foresight doesn't matter, fang is landing first punch
  51. * hatsumi antifeat doesn't work because dodge good
  52. * combat experience counterexamples all bad due to context
  53. * long min scaling bad because cosmo dodges before it happens
  54. * the akoya-gaolang comparison doesn't work due to gaolang's massive skill advantage
  55.  
  56. final tally
  57. * cosmo is faster
  58. * fang hits hard enough to significantly hurt cosmo and beat him in a few blows
  59. * fang is significantly more skilled than cosmo
  60. * irregardless of speed fang can land the first hits
  61.  
  62. Pretty clear cut honestly, almost everything Kirb said Wolf rebutted with more than adequate evidence. Fang punches Cosmo first then dominates the fight from there even before he begins evolving.
  63.  
  64. Wolf wins.
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