Corv vs Coco

Corvette vs Coco

R1 Corv
- Anchor can bust through foot thick walls, making 3 meter wide holes. He can also easily lift trees. No speed. Durability scales to his strength, he is very piercing resistant as well.
- Man-Bat rips bank vaults off their hinges and flies through walls. He also dodges batarangs in close quarters and flies at 185 mph. Can take impacts that form craters and hits from Batman.
- Venom trenches concrete glass and craters walls. Venom has web swinging and can act in 60 ms. Unphased by being smashed through concrete.
- Anchor and Venom can regenerate. Man-Bat has steel shearing teeth. Man-Bat and Venom both have webs/sticky clog goop. Venom has tentacles in general. These are all strong.

R2 Corv
- Anchor is stronger than anyone in Kengan, and is even more durable relative to his strength. Venom is faster than anyone in Kengan. Man-Bat has great durability to go against brute force knock-outs.
- Man-Bat's goo and Venom's webs can restrain any Kengan fighter. Anchor's giant body and huge mass makes him hard to Niko-style. Anchor is also hard, which is similar to Indestructible and other conditioning techniques. Even if Coco's team can break Anchor's skin, the wounds would heal immediately.
- Man-Bat flies into things face first, he's extremely tough. Batman, who Man-Bat scales to, is a multi-tonner with 50 mph hands. MB also benefits from animal instincts streamlining his reaction process.
- Venom strikes in ~60 ms at 170 mph, with dodges in similar timeframes. Again, webs are repeated as a wincon.

R3 Coco
- Raian and Niko both scale to Ohma and severely damage concrete. Muteba scales to Seki, who could take countless concrete-breaking slaps. Muteba also stabs Wakatsuki, who's 50x denser than normal.
- Raian takes a ton of Ironbreakers with minimal damage, Niko blocks one of his own but destroys his arm. Muteba takes being cratered several times.
- Kengan speed.
- Raian can counter "any move" and fights dirty. Niko is Niko. Muteba defeats armies without being hit once, can pierce with his hands, and always fights dirty.

R4 Coco
- Anchor has no speed. Venom and Man-Bat are unskilled brutes. Anchor is presumably "average", and everyone in Coco's team scales to speeds high enough to take out a hundred people without breaking a sweat.
- Muteba can pierce Man-Bat and Venom, who both have no demonstrated piercing resistance.
- Man-Bat explicitly has no skill, and can be killed with a single feint. Raian and Muteba both have analogous fights against "strong berserkers". Niko has Demonsbane, which can obliterate Wakatsuki.
- Kengan speed is comparable to "about 60 or less than 100 ms". Venom and Man-Bat's physicals are comparable to Coco's team.

R5 Corv
- Fighting someone doesn't make you as fast as them, nobody in Coco's team is provably of the same striking speed and reaction time as Ohma.
- Muteba doesn't really break Seki's knee, and Blast Core cripples him. Muteba also gets tagged by Meguro, despite Meguro being feral. Man-Bat kills Muteba with 150 mph piercing hands.
- Raian's crater is significantly weaker than Venom and Man-Bat's. Raian's base speed isn't comparable to Ohma's Advance speed (I see why this is said, but Raian is stipped to be using Removal).
- Niko scales to a younger Ohma, not the current, stronger one. Young Ohma has basically no feats aside from  kinda outspeeding some crooks.
- Muteba's gun sucks against large opponents. Raian doesn't dodge. Hitting Anchor hurts Coco's team.

R6 Coco
- Coco brings up the Removal stip I noted earlier. Ohma is generally very fast.
- Niko can deflect bullets and is generally so much faster than teen Ohma that mitigating context is irrelevant.
- Muteba gets more skilled after the Meguro fight, and Meguro is really fast anyways.
- Raian has good scaling to Ohma's durability for striking, and is able to warp metal.
- Demonsbane is very hard to dodge, and Man-Bat often goes for simple, blunt attacks.
- Muteba scales to Seki's durability regardless of the knee scan. Muteba can also hear hearts to target vitals.
- Goo and webs are slow, dodgeable, and not used often. Well, specifically webs are not used often.

R7 Corv
- No counter to Anchor breaking hands or Man-Bat's claws. (This is only half-true, Coco did address the piercing)
- Removal just means Raian will damage himself hitting Anchor faster.
- Corv claims that Advance wasn't improving Ohma's reaction time before linking a scan where Ohma says his reaction time is improving.
- Teen Ohma's speed feats aren't that great and he was wearing weights when fighting Niko.
- Muteba can dodge punches from Waka because he is skilled, not fast.
- Venom uses webs more than once, Man-Bat uses goo before eating people.

R8 Coco
- Anchor isn't going to break people's fists because Kengan characters are skilled. This only happens a couple times in the series, and against forces much deadlier than a relatively still Anchor.
- Anchor has blunt durability antifeats, and even his charges aren't particularly impressive.
- Coco brings up Corv being wrong about him not addressing piercing.
- Venom's webs and Man-Bat's goo are super slow.
- Anchor's only speed feat is that he's big.
- Raian is really good at using Removal, it only gasses him during extremely lengthy confrontations.
- Niko was wearing twice the weight Ohma was when he dodged him for days. Advance is also a heavy speed boost.
- Raian is good. Muteba goes for vitals. Niko uses Demonsbane.

R9 Corv
- Anchor is much stronger than Coco's team. His speed is low, but Kengan is not heavily divorced from real human speed. His skin is harder than concrete or steel.
- Man-Bat has piercing, ~150 mph hands and can accelerate to 200 mph. His goo can be fired from close range and holds multi-tonners.
- Venom has 170 mph hands, can break concrete, and can also hold multi-tonners with his webs.
- None of Coco's team has concrete speed or strength feats. Corv's team is much stronger and has one-hit win conditions.

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Coco wins.

Coco's biggest fault here is his scaling. Coco does a fairly mediocre job of establishing Raian and Niko's strengths (or speed in Niko's case). Muteba's scaling is fine, and Raian's speed is crystal, but Niko's "teen Ohma" scaling needs working. I think Coco would have a much stronger case if he supplemented direct scaling with greater context. "Random kids in Kengan can break concrete" is an example of this.

Corv's biggest issues are the general ineffectiveness of his arguments.

* Corv repeatedly gets wrong facts about what Coco is arguing (or even just running). Raian is in Removal, Coco addresses Man-Bat's piercing, so on.
* Of the couple scans of Venom using his webbing, both are either off-screen or against someone who isn't even moving. They are also slow.
* Corv argues that Kengan isn't that removed from real human speed. Regardless of what the tier setter page is, Coco isn't arguing based on Kim's stats. Coco's arguments are plainly that his team is many, many times faster than any human. In movement and prediction, if not reactions.
* Corv spends an inordinate amount of time arguing that Coco's team has low speed due to not necessarily having equal reactions or movement to those who they fight, but rather just immense amounts of skill. Take this as you will.
* Corv focuses heavily on attacking Coco's scaling in areas that are kind of irrelevant. It doesn't matter if Muteba's strikes only hurt Seki 70% as much or if teen Ohma is only 18 m/s as opposed to 24. Coco's conceptual range of speed and strength is still "enough", especially in combination with the repeated arguments that they are functionally much faster due to skill.

Man-Bat and Venom have no skill feats, and their main methods of containment are slow and almost never land in combat. I buy that both are stronger than Coco's team, but I also buy that Coco's team has a massive speed advantage and a knife. I do not buy that Man-Bat will actually use piercing until he's functionally already won.

Anchor is the biggest issue for Coco, but he also has nothing going for him aside from his durability. I can potentially buy that Coco's team isn't strong enough to work past it (though his durability appears inconsistent), but even in a best case scenario for Anchor he can still be defeated via Demonsbane.

Corv's wincon essentially depends on Man-Bat and Venom using weak options, avoiding being gutted by a massively deadlier team, and then on Anchor to miraculously 3v1 whilst being many times slower and seemingly incapable of one-shotting.