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  2. Cataracts treatment?
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  4. Whimsy
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  6. Message 1 of 17 , Dec 22, 2009[-- Image: Frame1 --]
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  12. Greetings Wise Ones
  13. I have a 72 YO woman, African American, previous hx of renal
  14. cell cancer
  15. 1990 left kidney removed treated for six years with interferon,
  16. now in
  17. remission. 
  18. HTN and past hx of epilepsy and osteoporosis, fibromyalgia post
  19. interferon.
  20. Diagnosed with cataracts 1 year ago she would like to avoid
  21. surgery using
  22. Naturopathy, limited income.
  23. Asside from having her use sun glasses to avoid further damage
  24. any other
  25. ideas to slow down or reverse the trend?
  26. Here is her rx
  27.  
  28. RX 
  29. 250mg HCTZ
  30. Synthroid 1mg qd
  31. 250mg Tegratol qd
  32. Bone up by Jarro
  33. Silicon
  34. Vit D 2000IU
  35. Antioxidants formula by Trader Joe
  36. 100 B complex Trader Joe
  37. Immunocal?
  38. Omega 3-6-9
  39.  
  40. Thanks a lot.
  41.  
  42. Whimsy Anderson ND
  43. LA, CA
  44.  
  45. Tara Greaves
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  47. Message 2 of 17 , Dec 23, 2009[-- Image: Frame2 --]
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  53. Dear Whimsy,
  54.  
  55. I use a combination of the following for treating cataracts:
  56. Cataract drops from Natural Opthalmics(eye drops)
  57. Super Carnosine
  58. Glutathione
  59. Selenium
  60. Oral Cataract drops from Complementary Professional
  61. Complementary Health Solutions
  62. Vinpocetine
  63.  
  64. Tara Greaves, N.D.
  65. Andover, MA
  66.  
  67. Joanne Hillary
  68.  
  69. Message 3 of 17 , Dec 23, 2009[-- Image: Frame3 --]
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  75. Hello Cardiophiles,
  76.  
  77. I have a 61 yo male patient who had 2 cardiac stents inserted 2
  78. months ago. He had major blockage in his 3 main coronary
  79. arteries. He is on Plavix and was on 325 mg of aspirin. He was
  80. not warned to stay away from coffee and alcohol with that combo
  81. and wound up in the hospital again 2 weeks later with a GI
  82. bleed. He has recovered from that. Now his Cardiologist wants
  83. him on 81 mg of aspirin with the Plavix and 80 mg of Pepsid to
  84. fend off another bleed.
  85.  
  86. This patient is somewhat informed and is objecting to the Pepsid
  87. since he has read about how it impairs GI function. He is
  88. looking for an alternative that has less impact on his GI
  89. tract. He has given up his whole pot of coffee per day. Drinks
  90. a few cups of tea instead. His alcohol intake is a glass or 2
  91. of wine or beer with dinner. My only thought to protect his GI
  92. is for him to take a couple of Rhizinate (DGL) lozenges mid AM
  93. and mid afternoon to protect his mucosa. I'm not sure about his
  94. level of risk here. Any thoughts from you experts?
  95.  
  96. Thanks in advance.
  97.  
  98. Joanne Hillary  PhD, ND
  99.  
  100. Spokane, WA
  101.  
  102. Tim Murbach
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  104. Message 4 of 17 , Dec 24, 2009[-- Image: Frame4 --]
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  110. Hi Joanne,
  111.  
  112. You can give nattokinase, titrated to bleeding time and
  113. fibrinogen levels, instead of Plavix and I thought the American
  114. College of Cardiologists was no longer recommending aspirin
  115. therapy.  MK-7 to slow, stop, or reverse progression of
  116. plaques.  Also consider Linus Pauling's vitamin c, l-proline,
  117. l-lysine protocol if elevated Lp(a).
  118.  
  119. In Health, 
  120. Tim Murbach, ND
  121. Salem, OR
  122.  
  123. Jeff Hanson
  124.  
  125. Message 5 of 17 , Dec 24, 2009[-- Image: Frame5 --]
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  131. Hello Joanne, 
  132.  
  133. Are you able to do IV Na-EDTA chelation with this patient? Refer
  134. to the Alt Med Review from June 2007 regarding chelation, dual
  135. anti-platelet tx, and stents. In this review article, "studies
  136. demonstrate EDTA inhibits platelet aggregation...... via three
  137. mechanisms while it maintains a safety factor my not inhibiting
  138. collagen-induced aggregation...whereas, Clopidogrel inhibits by
  139. only one". I have seen a number of patients outlive the
  140. expected life of their stents and not requiring re-stenting.
  141. Chelation is one of those treatments you can hang-your-hat-on
  142. for stable angina sx and cardioprotection post stenting.
  143. Chelation is not proven to remove arterial plaque but I have
  144. seen clinically in 2 pts receiving this tx that did a before
  145. and after Carotid Intima Media Thickness scan, they saw a 50%
  146. reduction in the amount of carotid plague and artery thickness.
  147. I would recommend 20-30 IV's 2x/week then 1 tx monthly as
  148. maintenance. Don't include vitamin C in formula because it can
  149. promote inflammation (see "alt med review" original study from
  150. March 2009 on EDTA and Vit-C). In addition, ozone tx with Major
  151. Autohemotherapy before chelation can promote RBC oxygen
  152. utilization and add a boost to the chelation tx. 
  153.  
  154. I would not use chelation in replace of Plavix at least for 6-12
  155. months. The standard of care is too use dual antiplatelet
  156. therapy for those at a high risk owing to a history of MI,
  157. stroke, or for those undergoing percutaneous coronary
  158. interventions for secondary prevention of clots. I think you
  159. can get away with removing the ASA with Nattokinase, fish oil
  160. (4gm), anti-inflammatory diet, and chelation...more then enough
  161. protection.  Follow the  fibrinogen levels (target 250-300) and
  162. bleeding time (in-office proceduce...target 3-4 min), along
  163. with CRPhs and perhaps Lp-PLAC. 
  164.  
  165. An alternative to PPI to protect the gut mucosa is the
  166. Zinc-Carnosine combination. Metagenics has a product called
  167. Zinlori 75 (sig is 1 BID). The early research on this comes
  168. from Japan which has shown that this combination can prevent
  169. and heal existing ulcers. As a result, this combinatin is an
  170. anti-ulcer Rx drug in Japan. In 2007, the British did a study
  171. with Zinc-Carnosine and indomethacin (potent NSAID). The
  172. researchers concluded that the Zinc-Carnosine stabilized the
  173. gut mucosa of the stomach and small intestine from the gut
  174. damaging effects of the indomethacin. 
  175.  
  176. Hope this helps.
  177.  
  178. Jeff Hanson ND
  179. Litchfield, Mn
  180.  
  181. Whimsy
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  183. Message 6 of 17 , Dec 25, 2009[-- Image: Frame6 --]
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  189. Dan Carter
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  191. Message 7 of 17 , Dec 25, 2009[-- Image: Frame7 --]
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  197. Here is a website that has a treatment attributed to Wright/Gaby
  198. : http://www.cataract.com/alternative-treatment-options.html
  199.  
  200. I think that Visual Ocuity was already mentioned; contains
  201. N-acetyl-carnosine that has shown benefit.
  202.  
  203. I saw an abstract earlier this year (papers are always at the
  204. office, not at the computer I'm using :-)) that used DMSO and
  205. EDTA to successfully treat cataracts. I could not find the
  206. original paper. This combination makes sense, since EDTA is a
  207. strong antioxidant. Perhaps a compounding pharmacy could find
  208. the original work and make a sterile eye drop.
  209. Dan Carter, ND
  210. Bozeman, MT
  211.  
  212. DrZeff@AOL.com
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  214. Message 8 of 17 , Dec 27, 2009[-- Image: Frame8 --]
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  220. Whimsy,
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  223.  
  224. Cineraria maritima succus eye drops have been used for a long
  225. time to treat cataracts. 
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  229. Jared Zeff, ND
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  231. Salmon Creek, WA 
  232.  
  233. natureshelpernd
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  235. Message 9 of 17 , Dec 28, 2009[-- Image: Frame9 --]
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  241. Have you thought about eyebright drops concentrate by wise
  242. woman?
  243.  
  244. chan_eric2003
  245.  
  246. Message 10 of 17 , Jan 19, 2010[-- Image: Frame10 --]
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  252. Hello,
  253. Does anyone have a source for Cineraria maritima succus eye
  254. drops? Thank you
  255.  
  256. Eric Chan ND
  257. Richmond BC
  258.  
  259. BradW
  260.  
  261. Message 11 of 17 , Dec 27, 2010[-- Image: Frame11 --]
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  267. Hi All,
  268. Whimy sent this email out a year ago and I am now searching for
  269. bst treatment options for cataracts. A patient brought in a
  270. medical newsletter from a doc I could not ID from the clipping
  271. that used the an eye drop combo to reverse and prevent in many
  272. patients, he/she claimed. Thought it was Jonathon Wright but he
  273. uses Carnosine and this doc used DMSO 6.25%, Vit C 1.25% and
  274. Glutathione 1.25%. Good Compounding pharmacists know about it
  275. and have recommended it over the carnosine drops, but I cannot
  276. find any studies of other evidence.
  277.  
  278. Also,Dr Zeff and others did not responde to Eric's email about
  279. where to Cineraria and how to use it. Any ideas?
  280.  
  281. Thanks,
  282. Brad West, ND
  283. Bay areas
  284.  
  285. Jeff Hanson
  286.  
  287. Message 12 of 17 , Dec 27, 2010[-- Image: Frame12 --]
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  293. Brad, 
  294. The newsletter you are referring to is Dr. Rowen's and the DMSO,
  295. glutathione, and vitamin C eye drops work pretty good from my
  296. experience on at least 5-6 patients. You need to give it 3-4
  297. months to notice significant changes. I believe it is Belmar
  298. Pharmacy that can compound this for whoever is interested. Call
  299. the office if this is not the right pharmacy. 
  300. Jeff Hanson ND
  301. The Nevada Center
  302. 775.884.3990
  303.  
  304. Julie Glass, ND
  305.  
  306. Message 13 of 17 , Dec 27, 2010[-- Image: Frame13 --]
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  312. Natural Partners carries a line called Natural Opthalmics, which
  313. has homeopathic cineraria eye drops.  I have not used these eye
  314. drops, but noticed them in the Natural Partners catalog last
  315. week.
  316.  
  317. Julie Glass
  318. julieg63@...
  319.  
  320. Kristin
  321.  
  322. Message 14 of 17 , Oct 31, 2012[-- Image: Frame14 --]
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  328. I have a patient who had 2 stents added 10 years ago and wants
  329. to get off Plavix. Before adding naturopathic therapies, I
  330. wanted to get a bleeding time and monitor him while he makes
  331. the changes. But Quest Labs does not do a bleeding time test.
  332. Is there a new test I should be ordering instead or is it under
  333. a different name? Other suggestions?
  334. Kristin Becker, St Paul MN
  335.  
  336. Dan Carter
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  338. Message 15 of 17 , Oct 31, 2012[-- Image: Frame15 --]
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  343.  
  344. We have had some pretty extensive discussion of the bleeding
  345. time test on NatChat, but trying to find them in the archives
  346. is tedious. IMO the "in-vivo" bleeding time is inaccurate and
  347. often fails to demonstrate the effects of drugs (be they Rx
  348. pharmaceuticals or herbal/nutrient/enzyme nutraceuticals) on
  349. platelet function. It is well past the time to discontinue this
  350. archaic test's use. There are a number of newer tests used to
  351. evaluate platelet function, and some were specifically
  352. developed to monitor the effect of clodiprogel (Plavix). This
  353. is not an exhaustive review of available tests. For example:
  354.  
  355. 1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20040042 Conclusion is
  356. that ADP induced LTA assay is more sensitive and reproducible
  357. than VASP-assay which was developed specifically to monitor
  358. Plavix!
  359.  
  360. 2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21532533 This paper comes
  361. to the same conclusion, and the ADP induced LTA assay is more
  362. likely to be offered by large clinical labs you may have access
  363. to.
  364.  
  365. 3. http://www.aacc.org/publications/cln/2011/April/Pages/PlateletFunction.aspx
  366. Here is an explanation of ADP induced LTA assay
  367.  
  368. Optical Light Transmission Aggregometry. LTA generally is cited
  369. as the gold standard for defining responsiveness to
  370. clopidogrel. The advantages of this technology include its
  371. acceptance as the gold standard and its specificity for the
  372. actual pharmacologic mechanism of the drug, ADP-induced
  373. platelet activation. The method’s disadvantages are largely the
  374. same as when used to monitor aspirin therapy: lack of
  375. standardization, labor requirements, and the need for
  376. platelet-rich plasma.
  377.  
  378. Note: Even though the review is all about monitoring the effect
  379. of Plavix on platelets, any drug that effects platelet function
  380. will show up as reduced platelet aggregation in the test system.
  381.  
  382. I would suggest talking to your laboratory and see what tests of
  383. platelet aggregation they might offer, or if they can send the
  384. sample to a reference lab offering the test. I have done this
  385. with my local labs and found they often send to Mayo (for
  386. example).
  387.  
  388. Dan Carter ND
  389.  
  390. Bozeman MT
  391.  
  392. Thad
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  394. Message 16 of 17 , Nov 1, 2012[-- Image: Frame16 --]
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  400. Platelet Function Test. Prediction of bleed events has been
  401. shown to be poor and only modest in predicting platelet
  402. responsiveness in high risk individuals such as your patient
  403. with 2 stents. Technology remains limited in this area, that
  404. is, to my knowledge. For now, I think it would be unwise to
  405. remove anti-platelet therapy and consider switching to another
  406. med, unless Plavix is working for him. 
  407.  
  408. Should he choose to remove Plavix, and I've had patients who've
  409. done this on their own, be sure to get the testing done so that
  410. both you and he can see what needs to be done to establish
  411. thrombus prevention.
  412.  
  413. Theoretically, high intake of fish oil, vitamin E and
  414. proteolytic enzymes might take the place of blood thinners. But
  415. there needs to be 100% compliance and 100% ability to pay for
  416. high dose, non-insurance covered supplementation.
  417.  
  418. Thad Jacobs, ND, LAc
  419. SLC/Park City, UT
  420.  
  421. Kristin
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  423. Message 17 of 17 , Nov 5, 2012[-- Image: Frame17 --]
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  429. Unfortunately, in the case of this patient, I suspect one of his
  430. major reasons to discontinue medications is because of the high
  431. cost of them...he has no insurance and is not eligible for
  432. medicare for 3 more years and not much income. He is already
  433. skipping medication to "stretch them out" against my advice. I
  434. have some concern that if I do not give him guidance, he will
  435. make some poor judgements on his own. But if we cannot monitor
  436. at all, I'm concerned about mixing therapies. So the most
  437. advice I can gather to help him make the best decisions would
  438. be appreciated. Kristin Becker, St Paul MN
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