[15:18] Hakulyte: oh hello
[15:19] Hakulyte: I haven't decided if you're doing really good this game or if you're doing too good, but I have an idea.
[15:24] clefairiel: Hi, I am about to go off of my work break
[15:24] clefairiel: I will be back home in a few hours
[15:24] Hakulyte: oh
[15:25] Hakulyte: ok I guess
[15:25] Hakulyte: long phase anyway
[15:25] clefairiel: I spent it whining to my mother sorry
[15:25] Hakulyte: alright
[19:03] clefairiel: Well, I think you said something similar in the last game
[19:03] clefairiel: But I don't think I have tried as hard on this one so far
[19:04] Hakulyte: well, stuff is happening
[19:05] clefairiel: Sounds interesting. I will catch up when I get home
[20:17] clefairiel: Earlier, I tried to talk to Xel, about whether he thought my reason for reading you town was good, but he seemed like he had not really moved on from his early thoughts about the game. Which does not really change my view of him, but it was kind of boring.
[20:18] Hakulyte: Xel is not a concern for me at this point in the game
[20:18] Hakulyte: I don't see anything particularly off from him
[20:18] Hakulyte: and I know he works etc.
[20:19] clefairiel: I think he is trustworthy
[20:19] Hakulyte: I'd just say he's not on the table
[20:19] Hakulyte: at this point
[20:19] Hakulyte: and probably not next phase either
15 October 2017
[20:29] Hakulyte: You have been selected to receive a part of the secret Visual Novel puzzle. Collect every parts by asking the other players in this TWG game to find the mysterious ending.

[20:32] clefairiel: They look happy
[20:33] Hakulyte: each pic has a number, yours is 6. If you tell me who has all of them, you get the special ending \o\
[20:33] Hakulyte: I mean who has each
[20:34] clefairiel: Ah ok, thank you for explaining that much.
[20:34] Hakulyte: is it game relevant? Nah. ..but you can use that as an excuse to ask something to someone
[20:35] Hakulyte: well, it could become game relevant indirectly I guess.
[20:39] clefairiel: Since I am trusting you, I have conversations so far with Xel, Charu, Kirk, and DANCEGUY (though he and I have not talked about the game). Would you like to read any of them?
[20:39] Hakulyte: I also talked with Charu / Danceguy and I don't have much of an interest here
[20:39] Hakulyte: I actually talked with Xel too  a bit
[20:40] Hakulyte: but I was pretty random and that may have confused him slightly
[20:40] Hakulyte: I have nothing on kirk tho
[20:40] clefairiel: I did not get very much from kirk
[20:40] clefairiel: Either
[20:40] Hakulyte: I'll just ask you what you think of your own information with kirk
[20:40] clefairiel: I just started talking to him because I forgot he was even playing
[20:41] Hakulyte: yeah, I've felt that way too kinda, but didn't bother talking yet
[20:41] Hakulyte: I usually prefer to pick 5-6 players and focus my interactions on them early on
[20:41] Hakulyte: and eventually move on to the rest
[20:42] clefairiel: He seemed kinda... closed off I guess
[20:42] Hakulyte: I talked with raeko, roundbox, DBP too
[20:42] clefairiel: Is what I would say
[20:43] Hakulyte: well, lazy town meta applies here
[20:43] Hakulyte: but not sure of what a wolf kirk does
[20:43] clefairiel: Yeah I do not know if it is good or bad
[20:43] Hakulyte: I think wolf kirk would be more active and interested
[20:43] Hakulyte: im saying this because I asked kirk in a previous game about their meta
[20:43] clefairiel: He sounded more confident in his opinions in private than in public
[20:43] clefairiel: As well
[20:44] Hakulyte: not sure what you mean by that
[20:44] clefairiel: He said that Charu was obviously a bad guy
[20:44] clefairiel: And blind was obviously not
[20:44] clefairiel: But he seemed more thoughtful and descriptive in public
[20:45] clefairiel: I guess
[20:45] Hakulyte: that's probably going to end up being true
[20:45] Hakulyte: but idk how to read kirk on that alone
[20:45] Hakulyte: not enough interactions imo
[20:46] Hakulyte: kirk may eventually get an orb tho so, this could change things
[20:46] clefairiel: That is true
[20:46] Hakulyte: no reason to be too worried for this phase
[20:46] clefairiel: I am a bit frustrated, because I do not really see what information came from DaBackpack lying
[20:47] Hakulyte: it's more about who change sides and why
[20:47] Hakulyte: after he said that
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[20:48] clefairiel: And i am worried that is why he would do that as a mafia
[20:49] clefairiel: So i am waiting to see what he says about it
[20:49] Hakulyte: I think the game will autosolve itself
[20:49] Hakulyte: just because of the orbs
[20:49] Hakulyte: well, mixed with flips
[20:49] Hakulyte: and possibly tracker claim later on
[20:50] clefairiel: I hope that is true
[20:51] clefairiel: If I am reading the game right then blindreper did a good job getting us one already
[20:52] Hakulyte: keep in mind that blind is known for crazy risky plays
[20:52] clefairiel: I did not really know that
[20:53] Hakulyte: made me think twice when he told me
[20:53] clefairiel: Except for what he said about always being targeted
[20:53] Hakulyte: about that red check
[20:53] Hakulyte: I feel like the game could have gone very differently
[20:53] clefairiel: If you did not speak up you mean?
[20:53] Hakulyte: yeah
[20:54] Hakulyte: I did that claim because I wanted to see if he would try to get me lynched
[20:54] clefairiel: Because we do not know if he would have followed through otherwise
[20:54] clefairiel: Oh, I did not even think about it
[20:54] Hakulyte: because blind had a lot of options here
[20:54] clefairiel: He has held very strongly, to calling Charu a mafia
[20:55] Hakulyte: I don't know if he forgot for a sec that I could just share his chat
[20:55] Hakulyte: but im currently at a point where I don't understand where Charu is going
[20:55] Hakulyte: I feel like he's just going for excuses to minimize game solving
[20:56] clefairiel: I think that too
[20:56] Hakulyte: and keep staying in that narrative of "well blind is a wolf", I dont need to do anything
[20:56] clefairiel: That is why I encouraged him, to make reads
[20:57] clefairiel: Even when I thought blind was the Mafia and I tried to talk to Charu about Xel
[20:57] clefairiel: He seemed kind of aloof
[20:57] clefairiel: So when I found out DaBackpack was lying, I felt weird about it
[20:57] Hakulyte: that's kind of funny, I was talking to danceguy about if charu could be with xel
[20:58] Hakulyte: pmuch concluded that we needed more info
[20:58] Hakulyte: remember when DBP said "detective orb"
[20:59] Hakulyte: there's a rule in detective games where the detective cannot be the culprit.
[20:59] Hakulyte: which means he called that he was doing something out of the ordinary
[20:59] Hakulyte: but it's something only a few players know about
[21:00] clefairiel: Detective games?
[21:00] Hakulyte: so, I don't tend to wolf read him for that
[21:00] Hakulyte: well, it applies to books too
[21:01] clefairiel: I thought it was just a joke that backpack is a detective every game that he is a good guy, which of  course he will always say
[21:02] Hakulyte: roundbox knows about that too
[21:02] clefairiel: Does he think of it in the way that you do? As like a secret code kind of?
[21:02] Hakulyte: roundbox told me about it in our previous wolf game
[21:02] Hakulyte: and DBP was PR with a green check on blind
[21:03] Hakulyte: trying to see how players react to blind
[21:05] clefairiel: Ah ok. So you suspected all along that dabackpack was doing a test?
[21:05] Hakulyte: yeah
[21:06] Hakulyte: there's still room for him to fool me obviously
[21:06] clefairiel: I wish that i had gotten that, because it made me very stressed. But I think that that reflects well on the backpack. He seemed very serious so I was believing him, at the time.
[21:07] Hakulyte: he really wanted to see if he could reaction test his way
[21:07] Hakulyte: wolves don't usually go that route
[21:25] clefairiel: I am talking more to kirk and he seems more engaged than what I would have thought.  I like him
[21:26] Hakulyte: oh kirk is online as offline derp
[21:26] Hakulyte: I've thrown a pic his way for the memes
16 October 2017
[20:02] Hakulyte: do you think Charu knew all along that Blind had the orb seer before I told charu about it ?
[20:03] Hakulyte: I probably made it too obvious it wasn't me for not hard claiming it directly tho.
[20:03] Hakulyte: meh
[20:09] clefairiel: I don't think I am the best person to know that
[20:09] clefairiel: I would not think so
[20:10] Hakulyte: the how he discarded it makes me think that's not completely unlikely
[20:10] Hakulyte: and blind will probably dodge all the orbs
[20:10] clefairiel: Discarded?
[20:11] Hakulyte: I told charu I had a red check on him
[20:11] Hakulyte: and the way he responded made me feel like he knew I was lying
[20:11] Hakulyte: well, he had to take that kind of stance
[20:11] Hakulyte: regardless
[20:11] clefairiel: Maybe he did not think you would go to him saying that
[20:11] clefairiel: If it was true
[20:11] clefairiel: Because you would not need to test him
[20:12] Hakulyte: blind did not want me to do what I did
[20:12] Hakulyte: well, just something to keep in mind
[20:12] Hakulyte: if blind keeps staying alive
[20:13] clefairiel: Ok
[20:14] Hakulyte: I'm expecting him to eventually get nk'd due to him being the main reason charu rip
[20:14] clefairiel: I told blind I was not the tracker
[20:14] clefairiel: So i hope that is ok
[20:14] Hakulyte: oh, he asked me that too
[20:14] clefairiel: I do feel that he is not mafia
[20:15] Hakulyte: that's like why im still sussing him kinda
[20:15] Hakulyte: because he 180'd quite a bit this game
[20:15] clefairiel: What do you mean
[20:16] Hakulyte: he has room to still be mafia
[20:17] Hakulyte: if blind got lynched
[20:17] Hakulyte: and flipped mafia
[20:17] Hakulyte: charu would be in a great position
[20:18] Hakulyte: not much to do outside of waiting to see what happens with orbs
[20:19] Hakulyte: well, in case I derp.
[20:19] Hakulyte: and lol rip
[20:19] Hakulyte: I had no orbs this night.
[20:34] clefairiel: I thought of that when I thought backpack did his claim
[20:35] clefairiel: But I do not get why blind would be so mad
[20:35] clefairiel: That would just look good for charu and work for their plan
[20:35] clefairiel: So i think that blind is being honest
[20:37] Hakulyte: I guess you're more likely to be right.
[21:21] clefairiel: Is the spooky guy, normally very semantical?
[21:21] Hakulyte: ?
[21:21] clefairiel: I was unsure why he kept saying over and over that you were not clear
[21:21] Hakulyte: oh raeko
[21:21] clefairiel: Without really reading what you said
[21:21] Hakulyte: it's she, but whatever.
[21:22] clefairiel: Oh ok.
[21:22] Hakulyte: I've been trying to involve her more with the game, but was kinda unsuccessful.
[21:22] Hakulyte: but at same time, I probably spooked her
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[21:37] Hakulyte: I don't mind talking more about this, but probably more outside of this TWG game.
[21:37] Hakulyte: because this is technically content
[21:37] Hakulyte: and im not sure I want this to be content.
[21:38] clefairiel: Oh. Well, I would not quote it. But that makes sense.
[21:39] clefairiel: Oh, I do not have any orbs either.
[21:39] clefairiel: I had told blind that, but I do not believe I told that to you.
[21:41] clefairiel: And I do not know, who has any of them. I would have been fine with somebody who is trusted, like you or blind, planning out what people should do, but I did not think everybody would agree to that in enough time, so I was just focusing more on reading.
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[21:50] Hakulyte: you would think I may have approached blind because im the tracker, but that's not the case.
[21:50] Hakulyte: I do hope wolves think that tho.
[21:53] Hakulyte: I haven't cleared out yet tbh
[21:53] Hakulyte: because I feel like your game is abnormally good
[21:54] Hakulyte: just take it as a compliment I guess
[21:54] Hakulyte: you*
[22:42] clefairiel: Well, thank you for that, I guess. I am actually kind of scared of when I have to be a mafia for the first time because I do not think I am a very good liar. In town of salem it is pretty easy to stay quiet or just play dumb. I think that is partly why I was so wrong about inDheart in the last one, because he was a way better mafia than I had ever seen. But I think I learned, it is not just about who talks the most, but about who seems really genuine, I think. And about who can actually fit with other people as mafias.
[22:49] Hakulyte: we're just not finding towns the same way I guess.
[22:49] clefairiel: Ok, well I am curious about what you may be seeing that I am not.
[22:50] Hakulyte: I mix up 2 concepts while playing
[22:50] Hakulyte: I take this big box of expectations and I throw everyone in it and then I play mostly by tone, but also by meta.
[22:51] Hakulyte: but I don't usually put much thoughts behind my ideas
[22:51] Hakulyte: I'm more about generating content and letting the game solve itself
[22:51] Hakulyte: I usually generate controversy somehow
[22:52] Hakulyte: I'm one of the last players who will start a wagon that will lead to a lynch
[22:52] Hakulyte: and that's why I usually stay alive very long.
[22:53] Hakulyte: but as the game goes on, I start caring more
[22:53] clefairiel: you seem like you care a lot in this one, so that is interesting
[22:53] clefairiel: Well, I kind of see what you mean, from you saying you will look more at Xel later, for instance
[22:53] Hakulyte: I care about making the game move forward, but I don't have seriously strong reads to share
[22:53] Hakulyte: but im not worried about that for this game
[22:54] Hakulyte: I may not even have to look at him
[22:55] Hakulyte: depending on what happens with orbs etc.
[22:55] Hakulyte: building a town circle is pmuch the only cool thing to do atm
[22:56] clefairiel: Maybe it is because I do not have any orbs and I will be working long hours the next two days, but I wanted to help by explaining my thoughts more. Also because people keep saying I am a sheep and not really thinking for myself, I think because I would post my reasoning in the discord more but change my vote a lot in the game.
[22:57] clefairiel: I do not think there is anything wrong with your approach
[22:57] Hakulyte: I can lose credibility early game
[22:57] Hakulyte: from not caring enough
[22:58] Hakulyte: well, at least "seriously"
[22:58] Hakulyte: can be seen as just disrupting
[22:58] Hakulyte: I don't have issues with your voting patterns tbh because I see why that happened
[22:59] Hakulyte: it's just how you form reads.
[22:59] clefairiel: Is it that you think it is not the right way to play or you do not think it is genuine?
[22:59] Hakulyte: but I guess I have little reason to be suspicious
[22:59] Hakulyte: compared to other players
[23:00] Hakulyte: I feel like you made reads knowing the alignment of the players you made the read of
[23:00] Hakulyte: instead of trying to figure them out
[23:00] Hakulyte: I guess the absence of doubts gives me that feel
[23:00] Hakulyte: but I can't say that I know you well either
[23:00] Hakulyte: maybe that's just really how you play
[23:01] Hakulyte: basically, you pick something that speaks to you and you form a read from it
[23:01] Hakulyte: and it makes sense obviously
[23:01] Hakulyte: but sometimes I feel like this shouldn't be enough
[23:02] clefairiel: Ok, well I do not know what to say to that really. I only know my own role.
[23:03] Hakulyte: well, not too important atm
[23:04] clefairiel: I am a bit sad, that you feel that way I guess.
[23:04] clefairiel: But I do think you are being honest.
[23:04] clefairiel: Maybe that is why it makes me sad.
[23:04] Hakulyte: I'm just a little more on the paranoid side with TWG
[23:05] Hakulyte: it's not just you.
[23:05] Hakulyte: I tend to overthink a lot
[23:05] Hakulyte: because im usually online longer than the others
[23:05] Hakulyte: and it's actually not a good thing.
[23:06] Hakulyte: I think I play slightly better when I have less free time ironically.
[23:06] Hakulyte: because I have to organize thoughts better.
[23:08] clefairiel: Kind of on that note I should be going to bed. Maybe you could make yourself take time off from the game, if you think that would help you. It makes sense to me, that that is why your play seemed different in the last one, because you had less time. You were a lot quieter.
[23:09] Hakulyte: well, in that game I was trying to replace my sleep schedule which was horrible
[23:09] Hakulyte: I was more following the game than playing it
[23:09] Hakulyte: whatever works.
[23:10] Hakulyte: well, take care.
[23:10] Hakulyte: it's like 6 pm here
[23:10] Hakulyte: different timezone I guess.
[23:12] clefairiel: Yes I am in GMT. I think that there being the information from the claims early, may be why I am more decisive in this one. Good night.
[23:12] Hakulyte: Good night.
[23:14] Hakulyte: I think you're town just from the chatlog with charu.