KHWiki April 04 Roundtable Log

[03:07] <+Neumannz> We can start
10[03:07] <Pea14733> First Agenda then
[03:07] <+Neumannz> Someone logging?
10[03:07] <Pea14733> Regarding gif animations: Currently there is no example page on how they should be optimally dealt with
10[03:07] <Pea14733> Me
10[03:08] <Pea14733> Do they clutter the page, remove the focus from the text if there are too many of them, especially on ability pages where the descriptions are often very short? Should the numerous ability animations that change from game to game be moved to the gallery space or kept at one location of the page instead (probably tabbed)?
10[03:08] <Pea14733> What should be their optimal or at least maximum height and width? This is important considering the game they are created from (handheld or console, 4:3, 16:9 or other) and how the page is watched (desktop resolution, mobile resolution etc.). As the wiki image renderer (which automatically resizes an image to the desired dimensions) is limited for gif animations regarding file size and frame number, should the animations uploaded and/or updated in these dimensions?
[03:09] <+Neumannz> That's a lot of issues
[03:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Aaaaannnnd....I'm lost
10[03:10] <Pea14733> As expected from Shard
[03:10] <+Neumannz> Let's start from the top
[03:10] <auror> alright
10[03:10] <Pea14733> I think we can make "Appearance" section on the bottom or something and then we tab it for games
10[03:10] <Pea14733> IF it's too cluttered, that is
[03:10] <auror> Pea14733: Don't we already do this for gallery?
10[03:11] <Pea14733> Can we tab the gallery?
[03:11] <+Neumannz> Hmm
10[03:11] <Pea14733> Because seeing FFWiki's magic articles' gallery is like REALLY cluttered even in their gallery
[03:12] <+Neumannz> Here are a couple options
[03:13] <+Neumannz> One, move all gifs into a gallery, except for one
[03:13] <+Neumannz> With the one at the top
[03:14] <+Neumannz> Or
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[03:14] <FM|Phone> Am. Late?
10[03:14] <Pea14733> Lol
[03:14] <+Neumannz> All of them at the top, but tabbed
[03:14] <auror> FM|Phone: I'll pm you current topic
[03:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, you're here!
10[03:14] <Pea14733> Hmm ....
10[03:15] <Pea14733> I think all of them tabbed at the top
[03:15] <FM|Phone> So, we're still on gifs?
10[03:15] <Pea14733> Yes
[03:15] <+Neumannz> Like how we have tabbed infoboxes
[03:16] <+Neumannz> Only without the actual infobox
[03:16] <auror> I like that
[03:16] <Sora1995> well, it seems like the LP's went to hell
[03:16] <Sora1995> maybe we should start them back up again..
10[03:16] <Pea14733> Add it to the agenda
[03:17] <Uxie|LR> I tried to do an LP for KHFM, but it didn't work out
[03:17] <FM|Phone> In that case, I'll take a few minutes to do some things and then I'll return on my Laptop
[03:17] <+Neumannz> What was the probably
[03:17] <FM|Phone> Phone irc is bad :/
[03:17] <+Neumannz> It's not so bad
[03:17] <FM|Phone> So brb
[03:18] <FM|Phone> It is with auto correct
[03:18] <+Neumannz> It just means I can't really look at the website
10[03:18] <Pea14733> Tirn it off ._.
10[03:18] <Pea14733> *TUrn
10[03:18] <Pea14733> Well what do you guys think about the GIFs
10[03:18] <Pea14733> KSM, Uxie, Sora?
[03:18] <Sora1995> eh?
[03:18] <Sora1995> oh
[03:19] <Sora1995> i don't got on the wiki TOO much
[03:19] <FM|Phone> That's long-winded when I can alternatively just use the laptop
[03:19] <Sora1995> so i can't give input
[03:19] <FM|Phone> But nvr mind
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[03:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> hmmm...I don't really know.
[03:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Isn't there usually just one gif per page?
10[03:19] <Pea14733> No
[03:19] <+Neumannz> For many one-shots
[03:20] <+Neumannz> But a lot have many gifs
[03:20] <+Neumannz> Like magic
10[03:20] <Pea14733> http://www.khwiki.com/Blizzard
[03:20] <+Neumannz> And recurring abilities
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[03:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ok, I see the problem
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[03:21] <+Neumannz> So either a gallery or tabs would do the trick
[03:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I guess the tabbed idea works
[03:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> A gallery will still distract you: from the other gifs
[03:22] <+Neumannz> ?
10[03:23] <Pea14733> So, the tab idea?
[03:23] <auror> yeah, the tab idea works
[03:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm looking at the blizzard article. As I watch one gif (right now, I'm looking at the one under the 358 section), I'm distracted by another one (the BBS one.
10[03:24] <Pea14733> Then let's go to the size of GIFs
[03:24] <+Neumannz> ok
[03:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> is this how big they should be uploaded, or how big they should appear on the actual page?
[03:26] <auror> oh, I see what you mean Keyblade0
[03:26] <auror> however I think that gif is just inconsistently bigger than the rest on Blizzard
[03:26] <+Neumannz> Are we talking about pixels or file size
10[03:27] <Pea14733> BTW
10[03:27] <Pea14733> Kryten's comment
10[03:27] <Pea14733>  I can't make the meeting, but I feel that the animations should be no larger than 300px wide, and otherwise natural height; we can probably do with one lead animation and the rest in the gallery, unless there is too much image-less space on the article (arbitrary)
[03:28] <+Neumannz> Yeah
10[03:28] <Pea14733> How big is 300px?
[03:28] <+Neumannz> About the size of an infobox
[03:28] <auror> yep
10[03:29] <Pea14733> Oh
10[03:29] <Pea14733> that's kinda big enough
10[03:29] <Pea14733> Although it'll be really small for those widescreen games
[03:29] <+Neumannz> Easily
[03:30] <+Neumannz> Not terribly
[03:31] <+Neumannz> Check out the ones for bbs
10[03:31] <Pea14733> Oh, okay
10[03:31] <Pea14733> We'll go with Kryten's idea then
[03:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think that's pretty big
[03:32] <Sora1995> well
[03:32] <Sora1995> if we're talking about images
[03:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> As in, I think its fine
[03:32] <Sora1995> should we wait to talk about them until 2.5?
10[03:32] <Pea14733> Why?
[03:32] <Sora1995> or rather should we update them when 2.5 is launched
10[03:33] <Pea14733> We'll update them I think
[03:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we could wait for 2.5 to update the related images. It's only a couple months, and then we have HD gifs
[03:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The rest, however, can/should be updated
10[03:33] <Pea14733> okay
[03:34] <+Neumannz> I wonder what makes some gifs not play at certain sizes
[03:35] <Sora1995> well, should we wait to do LP's until after 2.5 is out?
[03:35] <+Neumannz> Like, I just changed the size of the lead gif for zantetsuken
[03:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should wait on the LP's till we finish discussing the rest of the issues
[03:36] <Sora1995> eh, it just popped in my head
[03:36] <Sora1995> switching between things
[03:36] <Sora1995> so if i go out of order, sorry
[03:36] <Sora1995> ping me when we're ready to talk about them
[03:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Nah, its fine.
[03:37] <+Neumannz> Someone else take a quick look at zantetsuken please?
[03:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmmm.
10[03:39] <Pea14733> It sitll moves when i change the size to 500px
[03:40] <+Neumannz> But not 300?
10[03:40] <Pea14733> ._.
10[03:41] <Pea14733> What
10[03:41] <Pea14733> How come it stopped moving
[03:41] <+Neumannz> I was afraid of that
[03:41] <+Neumannz> We'll need to figure out what makes that happen
[03:42] <+Neumannz> And make it a rule for uploading gifs
[03:42] <+Neumannz> We'll probably have to ask shard or erry
10[03:44] <Pea14733> Maybe
10[03:44] <Pea14733> It's because
10[03:44] <Pea14733> We resized the GIF?
10[03:44] <Pea14733> But wait, that GIFs from Blizzad page still moves ...
[03:45] <+Neumannz> Other resized gifs are fine
[03:45] <+Neumannz> Like the second one on zantetsuken
[03:46] <+Neumannz> But there's a huge difference in number of frames and file size
[03:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> currently searching Google for answers
[03:46] <+Neumannz> So either or both of those could be an issue
10[03:46] <Pea14733> It's fine when the size is 450px ...
[03:47] <+Neumannz> The natural size is 480
10[03:47] <Pea14733> yeah
[03:48] <+Neumannz> There should probably be a size limit
[03:49] <+Neumannz> We'll ask the guys who know to figure out what it should be
10[03:49] <Pea14733> Okay
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[03:50] <+Neumannz> But 300 is a good size
[03:50] <+Neumannz> Yes?
[03:51] <FifteenthMember> How are we doing?
10[03:51] <Pea14733> Yes
[03:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, We're trying to figure out why certain gifs don't work
[03:52] <FifteenthMember> Err, pea can you give me a log of the roundtable from start to present please?
[03:53] <FifteenthMember> Or anyone else :P
10[03:53] <Pea14733> Wait a moment
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[03:55] <FifteenthMember> Hi xion
[03:55] <+Neumannz> Yay, xion!
[03:56] <+Xion4ever> I take it I haven't *completely* missed the meeting?
[03:56] <+Xion4ever> I'm here for around an hour, then it's off to trumpet ensemble.
[03:56] <+Neumannz> We started late
10[03:56] <Pea14733> We are only on the first agenda ...
[03:56] <FifteenthMember> I think we're still on the first thing on the agenda (I came late too)
[03:57] <+Xion4ever> Cool.
[03:57] <+Neumannz> Anything else about gifs?
[03:58] <FifteenthMember> Can someone summarise the basic plan we've decided for them?
10[03:58] <Pea14733> http://pastebin.com/KqjbubBC
10[03:58] <Pea14733> Here you go
[03:58] <FifteenthMember> Thanks
10[03:59] <Pea14733> Well that's all about GIFs Shard posted
[03:59] <+Neumannz> For pages with a lot of gifs, place them in tabs in the lead
[03:59] <+Neumannz> Size on the page should be 300 px max
10[04:00] <Pea14733> So next...
[04:00] <+Neumannz> File size should be restricted to make sure gifs run when resized
[04:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, the gif problem will have to wait. I've found nothing on why it does that.
10[04:01] <Pea14733> Next: Additional help required in Mirage Arena.
10[04:01] <Pea14733> Should we move this to when Luxerion comes on?
[04:01] <+Neumannz> What kind of help
10[04:02] <Pea14733> No idea
[04:02] <+Xion4ever> I'm assuming the upkeep.
[04:02] <FifteenthMember> Oh, I didn't miss much then
[04:02] <+Xion4ever> Are we still using the Mirage Arena? I haven't seen activity there in some time.
[04:02] <FifteenthMember> What day is the MA updated on? Friday or Saturday?
[04:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Is Erry here, or can he be brought here? I think he's the one who asked.
10[04:02] <Pea14733> Ues
10[04:02] <Pea14733> Yes*
[04:03] <FifteenthMember> I think the problem is EK no longer has the activity to run the MA
10[04:03] <Pea14733> That's why I asked if we want to wait for him
[04:03] <FifteenthMember> Let's push that subject to the end of the agenda then?
10[04:04] <Pea14733> Yeah ...?
10[04:04] <Pea14733> So next?
[04:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ok, do we know if he'll be here?
10[04:04] <Pea14733> Nope
10[04:04] <Pea14733> Next: New staff? Promotions?
[04:04] <FifteenthMember> But in case he does come on later
[04:05] <FifteenthMember> "If we're getting new staff only to fill in empty positions, I don't think it's necessary. Staff are the same as regular editors; the only main difference is that staff can deal with vandalism easier. Considering not much of that happens, there's no need for more staff. We're coping fine already."
[04:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Again, Erry's idea.
[04:05] <FifteenthMember> From my pastebin
10[04:06] <Pea14733> I really don't know about this
[04:06] <+Xion4ever> Has the Wiki been hit with excessive vandalism?
[04:06] <FifteenthMember> Not any I've noticed
10[04:07] <Pea14733> Yeah
[04:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We had a huge problem back in December, didn't we. But not much since.
[04:07] <+Xion4ever> Any deletions we haven't already taken care of?
10[04:07] <Pea14733> Only some ....inter-wiki mess
[04:08] <+Xion4ever> Those two reasons would be the only reason I see to get new staff.
[04:08] <+Xion4ever> To continue, those two and if we were getting a ton of activity/traffic- which we haven't.
[04:09] <FifteenthMember> For those reasons, we should probably not get any new stuff for the moment. Or at least postpone the idea for next month when EK is here to discuss his opinion too.
[04:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree.
[04:10] <FifteenthMember> So next topic?
[04:10] <+Xion4ever> (Neumannz is awfully quiet...)
[04:10] <+Neumannz> Oops sorry, got distracted
10[04:10] <Pea14733> lol
[04:10] <+Neumannz> Hang on
[04:11] <+Neumannz> Ok
[04:11] <+Neumannz> Caught up
[04:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then, conclusion, the Mirage Arena and staff will be postponed until Erry can come, right?
10[04:12] <Pea14733> Next: A well-written manual of style for the manga-related pages, especially for the ones translated by both Tokyopop and Yen Press to avoid name conflits, as a few chapters have different names
10[04:12] <Pea14733> yes
10[04:12] <Pea14733> brb I'm going to get my bowl of mango
[04:13] <+Xion4ever> Thought on Tokyopop vs YenPress naming:
[04:13] <+Xion4ever> The way it has been now, KH and COM manga are going by Tokyopop release titles. YenPress: Days and KHII.
[04:14] <+Xion4ever> This is mainly since the articles were created before the YenPress releases. To keep consistency, names for KH and COM were taken from Tokyopop. They were never changed following the YenPress release.
[04:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think they should take the updated names, and then have redirects from their original publication names
[04:16] <+Neumannz> How different are they
[04:16] <+Xion4ever> Mostly? Minimal.
[04:16] <+Xion4ever> One moment please.
[04:17] <+Neumannz> Is there a reason to prefer one over the other?
10[04:17] <Pea14733> back
[04:17] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Scent_of_Darkness (Tokyopop) vs The Scent of Darkness (YenPress)
[04:18] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Ambivalence (tokyopop) vs Uncertainty (YenPress)
[04:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess, it would depend on which one is most likely to be searched. Will people search "Uncertainty" more than "Ambivalence", or the other way around?
[04:19] <+Xion4ever> Depends on the copy they have.
[04:19] <FifteenthMember> But both searches will lead to the same place anyway, isn't it?
[04:20] <+Xion4ever> The way I see it, this is a matter of whether we want updated names for everything or not.
[04:20] <+Neumannz> Sure, we should have redirects either way
[04:20] <+Xion4ever> To be quite honest, I don't care either way...so long as the naming is completely consistent.
[04:21] <+Xion4ever> So, use YenPress names with Tokyopop redirects?
[04:21] <FifteenthMember> ^
[04:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> How do we do it for other articles? Are abilities updated to their most recent naming, or do they keep their original appearance names?
[04:21] <FifteenthMember> Sure
[04:21] <+Neumannz> Most common, followed by most recent
[04:21] <+Neumannz> With one exception
[04:22] <+Neumannz> Neverland
[04:22] <+Neumannz> I say yenpress
[04:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree, YenPress publication.
[04:25] <FifteenthMember> So is that it for mangas? What MoS should we follow?
[04:26] <+Xion4ever> That's what we haven't made up.
[04:26] <+Neumannz> This is a question of the sections to include?
[04:27] <+Xion4ever> Pretty much.
[04:27] <+Xion4ever> We don't have a clear page saying what to use as a format.
[04:28] <+Xion4ever> Kryten once said this page was the "goal" of the chapter articles -> http://www.khwiki.com/Calling
[04:28] <+Neumannz> Any problems with it?
[04:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think it's great.
[04:29] <+Neumannz> Are differences from the games covered in any of the sections?
[04:29] <+Xion4ever> I got the article right here...one moment.
[04:30] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_Volume_1
[04:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> One note of "criticism":
[04:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think the cover image should be at the top.
[04:30] <+Xion4ever> The differences are noted in the respective volume.
[04:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> In the infobox.
[04:31] <+Xion4ever> @ Keyblade: It used to be there. Maybe Kryten removed it?
[04:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> B/c, its there on the Kingdom Hearts Volume 1 article, but the chapter articles have the chapter cover at the bottem
[04:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *bottom
[04:32] <+Neumannz> Xion, where are the differences noted?
[04:32] <+Xion4ever> Not Calling.
[04:32] <+Xion4ever> @ Neumannz: http://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_Volume_1#Differences
[04:33] <+Xion4ever> That is for any differences, at least what we had already, that correspond to what occured in volume one.
[04:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I meant the chapter covers, not the Volume cover image.
[04:33] <+Xion4ever> Oh.
[04:33] <+Xion4ever> I think one of the chapters has it like that.
[04:33] <+Neumannz> Why is http://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_Vol._1 going somewhere else...?
[04:33] <+Neumannz> Weird
[04:33] <+Neumannz> Ok I see it
[04:34] <+Xion4ever> ^ That leads to another question of mine.
[04:34] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think I know where you're going, and i was just going there
[04:34] <+Xion4ever> On what Keyblade said: To remove the gallery, why don't we tab the cover and back images on the info box?
[04:34] <+Xion4ever> Kinda like what we do for enemy images.
[04:34] <+Neumannz> I like that
[04:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree.
[04:35] <FifteenthMember> Sure
[04:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought you were going to ask something else.
[04:35] <+Xion4ever> I don't know how to "fix" the coding to do that, or if we are going to create an entirely new template. Thoughts on that?
[04:35] <+Xion4ever> Or rather, any volunteers?
[04:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm willing to try.
[04:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I play with those kinds of templates on the Fanon wiki a lot
[04:36] <+Neumannz> Shouldn't be too hard
[04:36] <+Xion4ever> I'm too busy with the university life to help out.
[04:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll do it.
[04:36] <+Xion4ever> Okay, so that is how to handle the image concern on each chapter article.
[04:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I was going to ask something related to Neumannz's earlier question about that Vol.1 link.
[04:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Doesn't that List of Kingdom Hearts chapters seem redundant?
[04:37] <+Xion4ever> That's what I wanted to discuss, actually.
[04:38] <+Xion4ever> I have something to ask regarding the "bigger" hub pages. Articles in question are: http://www.khwiki.com/List_of_Kingdom_Hearts_chapters http://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_Volume_1#Differences http://www.khwiki.com/Kingdom_Hearts_%28manga%29
[04:38] <+Xion4ever> The manga articles were started with references to the manga articles from the Digimon and Transformers Wiki.
[04:39] <+Neumannz> What would you like to do with them
[04:39] <+Xion4ever> The Digimon Wiki had a complete List of <Manga Here> Chapters, with individual chapter articles. The complete list page condensed everything about the manga- summary, titles, etc.- into one page.
[04:39] <+Xion4ever> A briefer page over something already brief. If that makes sense.
[04:40] <+Xion4ever> I don't exactly know what we should do. That's where your guys input is needed.
[04:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I have an idea. just give me a bit.
[04:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should kill the "List of Kingdom Hearts chapters" page. Merge it with the Kingdom Hearts (manga) page.
[04:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And link each Kingdom Hearts (manga) page with each other through a box at the bottom (KH, with KHII, with KHCOm, etc.)
[04:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know what to do with the individual volume pages. Kill them?
[04:42] <+Xion4ever> I'm against that.
[04:43] <+Xion4ever> The separate volume pages allow us to go in-depth on what actually happened in the chapter/volumes.
[04:43] <+Xion4ever> The List of Chapters summaries those writings into a short paragraph. A summary, rather, for quick viewing.
[04:44] <+Xion4ever> However, we still need some quality information on the chapters. Something I feel a brief summary cannot fully do.
[04:44] <FifteenthMember> Other than Xion and Uxie, does anyone else have the manga?
[04:44] <+Neumannz> I think the List of Chapters isn't clear on what its job is
[04:44] <+Xion4ever> UltimaSpark, I believe.
[04:45] <FifteenthMember> I'm not sure how active he is these days
[04:45] <+Xion4ever> @ Neumannz: That was Kryten's creation. I never found out what he hoped to do with it. We need his opinion on that.
[04:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If needed, I think KH13.com has uploaded each page as an image.
[04:45] <+Xion4ever> ^ Bad idea.
[04:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Why?
[04:45] <+Xion4ever> KH13 is from the online/fan translations. They differ from the original publications.
[04:46] <+Xion4ever> I've looked there/done the comparison.
[04:46] <+Neumannz> Ok, how about this
[04:46] <+Neumannz> You know how Wikipedia handles tv shows with multiple seasons
[04:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, ok. Well, I don't have the real manga. I figured they only did that for KHII, since its still not out here.
[04:47] <FifteenthMember> I'm wrong. Ultima Spark is very active :D
[04:47] <+Xion4ever> Is that how you want to handle that, Neumannz? One big page for all the manga? (KH, COM, Days, KHII)
[04:47] <+Neumannz> Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCIS_episodes
[04:49] <KeybladeSpyMaste> You mean, make a massive chapter list?
[04:49] <+Neumannz> I think the chapter summaries should go on the volume pages
[04:49] <+Neumannz> And the list of chapters page should contain AT MOST a list of chapter titles
[04:50] <+Xion4ever> In a template, such as they are on the current List of Chapters page, or as the typical [long] overview section?
[04:50] <+Xion4ever> Regarding the chapter summaries, that is.
[04:50] <FifteenthMember> I like that idea.
[04:51] <+Neumannz> In a template is fine
[04:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I prefer the template or some sort of table. It looks more professional and pretty.
[04:51] <+Neumannz> (+Neumannz) Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIS_(session_1)
[04:51] <+Neumannz> Damn
[04:51] <+Neumannz>  Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIS_(season_1)
[04:52] <+Neumannz> There
[04:52] <+Xion4ever> Okay. The current table is a template pretty much copy/paste from the Digimon Wiki- should we create our "own" template for that as well?
[04:52] <+Neumannz> This would be like a volume page
[04:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I have a question regarding the volume pages though.The volumes do not contain the same chapters anymore b/c of the YP publication
[04:53] <+Neumannz> If we need our own, sure
[04:53] <+Xion4ever> Neumannz: That would probably be for the best.
[04:53] <+Xion4ever> @ Keyblade: Just need to <br> and put in the YP release names.
[04:53] <+Xion4ever> Minor fix, just add it to the template to be used on the chapter summaries template.
[04:54] <+Xion4ever> Wait. I'm dumb. Looking at the wrong article.
[04:55] <+Xion4ever> The lack of YP names for the volume pages is because they use the TP names.
[04:55] <+Xion4ever> Since we now decided to go to YP, those can be changed while we fix the individual article pages.
[04:55] <+Neumannz> A table can easily include both titles
[04:56] <+Xion4ever> ^ I like it.
[04:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, I meant b/c the current Vol 1 page has the chapters list from the original publication (13) but the YP publication includes more chapters in Vol 1.
[04:57] <+Xion4ever> The table can notate the difference.
[04:57] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/List_of_Kingdom_Hearts_chapters#Tokyopop%20Collections
[04:58] <+Xion4ever> See the tables at the bottom of that ^ link. Those look okay?
[04:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
[04:59] <+Xion4ever> We need to create our own template, though. Those are again taken from the Digimon Wiki.
[05:00] <FifteenthMember> Who is able to make the template?
10[05:00] <Pea14733> KSM XD
[05:00] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure!
[05:01] <+Xion4ever> So, to review:
[05:02] <+Xion4ever> 1) (Regarding individual chapter articles) Front and back cover images should be in the infobox- such as on the enemy articles.
[05:02] <FifteenthMember> and review we must, since someone has to write a summary of today's roundtable at the end :<
[05:03] <+Xion4ever> 2) New templates are needed for: adjusting the infobox to meet the above decision, the list of summaries chapter boxes, and list of chapter names per volume. KeybladeSpyMaster is in charge of those, right?
[05:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep.
[05:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If I can note, I've been an active member here for maybe a year. This is the biggest Roundtable agenda I've ever seen listed.
[05:05] <+Xion4ever> 3) The "List of KH chapters" page will be re-done in the image of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCIS_episodes .
[05:05] <FifteenthMember> Nah, there was one longer I think
[05:06] <FifteenthMember> Although we're still only halfway so we're probably going to beat that
[05:06] <FifteenthMember> Is that manga sorted then?
[05:06] <FifteenthMember> *the
[05:07] <+Xion4ever> 4) The actual summary information will be added to the volume pages, under the overview section. Again, this is taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIS_%28season_1%29 as an example.
10[05:07] <Pea14733> Who's going to do the Manual of Style again?
[05:08] <+Xion4ever> 5) Naming will be YenPress titles with redirects for the Tokyopop titles. On the volume pages, though, both publication names will be noted (this will be in the template)
[05:09] <+Xion4ever> Regarding Manual of Style: We're following http://www.khwiki.com/Calling for the individual articles.
[05:09] <+Xion4ever> As for actually writing a manga manual of style: I have no idea who.
[05:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think Xion4ever might have done that right here just now with this summary.
10[05:09] <Pea14733> XD
[05:09] <+Xion4ever> Manual of Style means what goes on each article. I've just summarized what we've discussed. ^_^;;
[05:10] <+Xion4ever> For the individual chapter articles, they really need to be like Calling. Information regarding editors/all that infobox nonsense should be for both TP and YP releases.
[05:10] <FifteenthMember> Xion, what time are you leaving again?
[05:10] <+Xion4ever> In about ten minutes.
[05:10] <FifteenthMember> :<
[05:11] <+Xion4ever> That's college life, bro.
10[05:11] <Pea14733> So, moving on?
[05:11] <FifteenthMember> XD
[05:11] <+Xion4ever> Is everyone content with the above summary of the manga portion?
[05:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Maybe we should skip to the Featured Media thing for Xion before she leaves
[05:11] <+Xion4ever> I'm pleased with it. Neummanz?
[05:11] <FifteenthMember> Yup, let's talk about Featured Media before Xion has to go
[05:11] <+Neumannz> If there are no other manga-related issues for now
[05:11] <+Xion4ever> Alrighty then.
10[05:12] <Pea14733> Well it's the next one :P
[05:12] <+Xion4ever> Featured Media time:
[05:12] <+Xion4ever> Simply put, it's not active. Uxie and I are the only people voting/nominating.
[05:12] <+Xion4ever> That's no way to run the featured media or articles.
[05:12] <FifteenthMember> However, I still think it should be kept but the rules may need to be tweaked
[05:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be there now, since i finally have the 200 edits, but that's still too few people
[05:13] <+Xion4ever> The rules aren't the problem.
[05:13] <FifteenthMember> Linking into KSM's point later in the agenda, Featured Articles and Featured Media both bring in new users
[05:13] <+Xion4ever> We have people, regular editors, on the Wiki.
[05:13] <+Xion4ever> Yet, for whatever reason, no one remembers/cares to "vote/nominate" on either page.
[05:13] <+Neumannz> Hmm
[05:14] <FifteenthMember> For me, that's because I don't really notice any articles superior to others.
10[05:14] <Pea14733> ^
10[05:14] <Pea14733> I really don't know what a good article is >.>
[05:14] <FifteenthMember> They're all at a pretty good standard
[05:14] <+Neumannz> Not gonna lie, I don't think I've voted once for FA or FM since I came to the wiki
[05:15] <+Neumannz> Well, there are plenty that are below standard, still
[05:15] <+Neumannz> But we're not voting on that
[05:15] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, of course
[05:15] <+Xion4ever> My reason to bring it up was this: it's inactive, no one seems to be doing anything about it, so let's do something about it.
[05:15] <+Neumannz> I can start voting and stuff
[05:16] <FifteenthMember> Maybe what we should do is shift the Featured Articles and Media to focus it on current projects
[05:16] <+Xion4ever> We have a current project tab on the main page.
[05:16] <+Xion4ever> I think it's in the bottom right hand corner...Last I remember it was the magic articles.
[05:16] <FifteenthMember> That never gets updated :/
[05:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Let's be honest, very little gets updated anymore.
[05:17] <FifteenthMember> My idea was we use Featured Articles to broadcoast new formats and such
[05:17] <+Neumannz> It's a dry spell until 2.5 comes out
[05:17] <+Neumannz> There simply isn't a great deal of activity on all fronts
[05:17] <FifteenthMember> For example, the "Calling" manga chapter article would be one Featured Article
[05:18] <+Neumannz> Even though some still need a great deal of it
[05:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep, that's where I was going with my issue later.
[05:18] <+Xion4ever> @ 15: I can see that. Calling is a well-written article that is complete.
[05:18] <+Xion4ever> It qualifies as a featured article.
[05:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Maybe a reminder across the board to vote?
[05:18] <FifteenthMember> Yeah...
[05:18] <+Xion4ever> ^ That is my point.
[05:18] <+Neumannz> Site notice
[05:18] <FifteenthMember> I'm fine with that
[05:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I mean, with a full month to vote, I think sometimes, we just forget
[05:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> that it's even there.
[05:19] <FifteenthMember> Personally, I'll start voting on images/articles that are related to the current "trends"
[05:19] <+Xion4ever> So, site notice/reminder about the Featured Media/Articles. Wonderful.
[05:19] <FifteenthMember> Considering, they're there to set good examples
[05:20] <FifteenthMember> Lemme quickly ask something
[05:20] <FifteenthMember> Is it worth keeping that "only users with 200 or more edits can vote" rule. On one hand, it encourages people to join the wiki and contribute but on the other hand, it may also put people off from getting involved entirely.
[05:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Case in point: that one anon that suggested the currently posted FM and FA
[05:21] <FifteenthMember> The problem with this is I'm not sure if more people benefit from this or the majority are put off.
[05:22] <FifteenthMember> I'd like to propose a poll on a public place on the KHWiki (maybe the main page) for both registered users and anons alike
[05:22] <+Neumannz> For FA/FM?
[05:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think the fear is that people will just vote for their favorite article rather than well-constructed articles and good-quality images.  RIght?
[05:22] <FifteenthMember> For that rule in particular
[05:23] <FifteenthMember> Good point.
[05:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> At the same time...
[05:23] <+Xion4ever> @ Keyblade: If you read my message, I proposed/second the option just in case that point was brought up.
[05:23] <+Xion4ever> I still think it should be our own 200+ editors.
[05:24] <FifteenthMember> I just want the data of whether more people feel motivated to edit by that rule or if more people get put off.
[05:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think the FA/FM has been used in the past to make better articles and images that weren't all that great.
[05:24] <FifteenthMember> Did
[05:24] <Sora1995> wow, we're still going
[05:24] <FifteenthMember> Never mind
[05:25] <FifteenthMember> How often is the FM updated again?
[05:25] <+Xion4ever> Once a month.
[05:25] <+Xion4ever> Gotta go. The rest is up to you guys.
[05:25] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[05:25] <+Xion4ever> Nice work, folks.
[05:25] <FifteenthMember> To be honest, I think that poll will go nowhere :/
[05:26] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ok, see ya!
[05:26] <FifteenthMember> Bye Xion, thanks for coming!
09[05:26] * Quits: +Xion4ever (9385ddaa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.133.221.170) (Quit: No problem)
[05:26] <FifteenthMember> Sl .e
[05:26] <FifteenthMember> *So let's just wrap things up on that?
[05:26] <FifteenthMember> We'll send out a sitenotice to encourage people to nominate and vote
[05:26] <+Neumannz> Ok
[05:27] <+Neumannz> ...and actually nominate and vote
[05:27] <FifteenthMember> :P
10[05:27] <Pea14733> :P
[05:27] <+Neumannz> Next?
[05:27] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[05:27] <FifteenthMember> "How to deal with unattributed DisneyWiki images?"
[05:27] <FifteenthMember> Now, before we talk about KSM's point
[05:28] <+Neumannz> Has there been any action from their admins?
[05:28] <Byzantinefire> Sigh.
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> I'd like to explain my bit since I've spent a considerable amount of time on their chats and forums
[05:28] <+Neumannz> Ok
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> (I've already prepared a page)
10[05:28] <Pea14733> :O
[05:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Wow. ummm.....
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> "The main reason I put this on the agenda is a huge number of images that were downloaded from us and reuploaded onto the DisneyWiki with no attribution whatsoever. To deal with this, we've made an attribution template (http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Template%3AKHWikiImage) and I've started a thing with the Disney Wiki users where each week, a certain number of images is expected to
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> be attributed (I monitor to see that progress by checking this category http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AImages_from_KHWiki). The exact number of how many images was agreed upon with members of the DisneyWiki and several members agreed to make their own forum posts about this to motivate editors (since my own thread had no impact whatsoever). However, the expectation and
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> targets were not met despite numerous second chances and those forums were never made. It seems, the only way I motivated anyone to do any work is giving them an ultimatum: Either you guys stick to your promises and agreements, or I discuss with the rest of the KHWiki what action we should take against DisneyWiki. Unfortunately, the threat got some response but my weekly checkups
[05:28] <FifteenthMember> on the category still showed the progress to be poor."
[05:29] <FifteenthMember> The "page" was really just what I gave pea in case I couldn't come to the roundtable :P
[05:29] <FifteenthMember> And on second thoughts, I should've just pastebinned it...
[05:30] <+Neumannz> Argh
[05:30] <Uxie|LR> I've got one thing to say after we speak of the image crisis
[05:30] <FifteenthMember> So, here I am following up my threat and asking you guys what we should do.
10[05:30] <Pea14733> Well what CAN we do?
10[05:30] <Pea14733> How about we talk to their admins?
[05:31] <FifteenthMember> http://pastebin.com/B5J5ffei
[05:31] <Byzantinefire> How about instead you just add the template yourselves if you want it done faster.
[05:31] <FifteenthMember> That's what I wondered myself
[05:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, Byz tried to get SilverFlight (one of their admins) and she didn't respond
[05:32] <Uxie|LR> Okay, I've got one request
[05:32] <FifteenthMember> In the past, one proposed action was quite drastic but it might as well be shared
[05:32] <Uxie|LR> I'll wait until you guys have spoken about this first
[05:32] <Uxie|LR> Just letting you guys know
[05:32] <FifteenthMember> Okay, Uxie
[05:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And, the category is acutally a flawed way to check atribution. Let me explain.
[05:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> There are several images that appear on that page, but don't have the template b/c SilverFlight only added the category, without the template.
[05:34] <FifteenthMember> Anyway, the suggestion was we remove images directly from their galleries, which is quicker for us than putting the templates in each individual page as Byzantine wanted.
[05:35] <+Neumannz> Mmhm
10[05:35] <Pea14733> It's not like anyone would notice the template either :/
[05:35] <Byzantinefire> I dissagree with that suggestion entirely.
[05:35] <+Neumannz> WE KNOW
[05:35] <FifteenthMember> x_x
[05:37] <+Neumannz> I wonder if AutoWikiBrowser would make it easier to add the template
[05:37] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, what's that?
[05:39] <auror> a bot, i believe
[05:39] <+Neumannz> It's a program that makes making repetitive edits quicker and easier
[05:39] <+Neumannz> Not actually a bot
[05:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I'm going to be a bit busy right now, so I may not respond very quickly for a while.
[05:39] <+Neumannz> But we use it for our "bot"
[05:40] <FifteenthMember> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser I understand
[05:40] <+Neumannz> It's very handy sometimes
10[05:41] <Pea14733> So what do we do with it? Does DisneyWIki has something like that?
[05:41] <FifteenthMember> It requires the Disney Wiki admins for installation, right?
[05:41] <+Neumannz> No
[05:41] <+Neumannz> You install on your own computer
[05:42] <FifteenthMember> Oh.
[05:42] <+Neumannz> The wiki doesn't have to do a thing
[05:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm going to be honest, there's just one flaw with requiring attribution to this wiki.
[05:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> All the images are available everywhere, all over the internet. Others have copied us, we copy others.
[05:44] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Some of the images are quite obviously ours, originally, but others...not so much.
[05:44] <FifteenthMember> That's why in my pastebin, I said " Which images need attribution (renders, screenshots etc) ?"
[05:45] <FifteenthMember> Because I'm not entirely sure of how Shard's work goes but I believe he does his own work in order to get original images
[05:45] <+Neumannz> He does
[05:45] <FifteenthMember> Usually, when we upload renders and stuff, we cite the guy who broke a code or got the render etc.
[05:45] <+Neumannz> Correct
[05:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's true
[05:46] <+Neumannz> "Official images" may not need to be attributed to us...?
[05:46] <FifteenthMember> Yeah,
10[05:46] <Pea14733> I'm thinking of watermarking but that's .... too much work
[05:47] <FifteenthMember> Watermarks will also make our wiki become an uglier place :(
[05:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If we don't do anything, though, we'll just face a plagiarism argument like the one back in December, again.
[05:47] <+Neumannz> Mmhm
[05:49] <FifteenthMember> It's quite hard to come to any conclusion really.
[05:49] <FifteenthMember> Question: How should we deal with those weekly monitoring reports I mentioned?
[05:50] <+Neumannz> I think we can agree we don't want this to happen again, yes?
[05:50] <FifteenthMember> Yes
10[05:50] <Pea14733> yes
[05:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> yep
[05:52] <FifteenthMember> But what can we do to prevent it from happening again, though?
[05:52] <FifteenthMember> Can we do anything?
[05:53] <+Neumannz> Can we go to their affiliates
[05:53] <Uxie|LR> Speaking of affiliations
[05:53] <FifteenthMember> What would we tell them, however?
[05:54] <FifteenthMember> *though
[05:54] <Uxie|LR> We should investigate our own, as well
[05:54] <FifteenthMember> They have 50 affiliates :(
[05:54] <FifteenthMember> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/DisneyWiki:Affiliates
[05:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Go to their affiliates? What do you mean?
[05:54] <FifteenthMember> Would we go to every one...?
[05:54] <Byzantinefire> Why bring that up>
[05:54] <Byzantinefire> *?
[05:55] <+Neumannz> I'm just throwing it out there
[05:55] <+Neumannz> Because they don't seem to be taking this seriously
[05:55] <+Neumannz> Or am I wrong
[05:55] <FifteenthMember> From my view, I haven't seen any real change
[05:55] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Go to them and do what? Tell them they're plagiarizing from us? Why would any of them care? Honest question, no mean to be rude.
[05:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I just don't get it.
[05:56] <FifteenthMember> Mostly empty promises or half-truths to be quite frank :/
[05:56] <FifteenthMember> And I could give several examples if need be
[05:56] <FifteenthMember> What would happen if we go to Community Central?
[05:57] <FifteenthMember> Do they have any policy on plagarism?
[05:57] <+Neumannz> Worth checking
10[05:57] <Pea14733> I believe we have spoken about this before and the result is thatwe can't do a thing?
[05:57] <+Neumannz> Byz, have you been working on this
[05:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's a start. But, if I recall, other wiki's have also complained. And judging from the result, nothing's changed.
[05:57] <Byzantinefire> Only a bit.
10[05:58] <Pea14733> And I remember Shard talking to one of the wikia staff
[05:58] <FifteenthMember> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ It does break the "Attribution" part of the law.
[05:58] <+Neumannz> Recently?
[05:58] <FifteenthMember> Yes, but I don't know how that went
[05:58] <FifteenthMember> Months ago
[05:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Byz, to be honest, is probably the only one trying. He doesn't do everything we ask him, when we ask him, but I've yet to see SilverFlight or anyone else get down on the problem the way Byz has.
[05:59] <FifteenthMember> ^ I agree
[05:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Other than delete pages, which he did back in January, and then let the project die
[05:59] <FifteenthMember> Personal issues aside
[05:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *she
[06:00] <+Neumannz> What about the other admin
[06:00] <FifteenthMember> Which one?
[06:00] <FifteenthMember> "Sam"?
[06:00] <+Neumannz> The one me and xion talked to
[06:00] <FifteenthMember> On that thread back in December? That was SilverFlight
[06:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It doesn't break the attribution part, I don't think. They always attributed the articles back to us, they were just copied word for word
[06:01] <FifteenthMember> KSM, I mean the images
[06:01] <+Neumannz> No, it was a chat
[06:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, yeah, that's true
[06:01] <FifteenthMember> In SF's defence, she did rewrite and reword a numerous amount of character articles
[06:02] <FifteenthMember> NZ, no idea.
[06:02] <FifteenthMember> Byzantine, who is "sam"?
[06:02] <Byzantinefire> What?
[06:03] <FifteenthMember> Once on the Disney Wiki, you said "sam" would help with the images too
[06:03] <FifteenthMember> Or something like that anyway
[06:03] <Byzantinefire> Oh i meant Max.
[06:04] <FifteenthMember> Yes, what's Max's username?
[06:04] <Byzantinefire> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/User:LegalizeAnythingMuppets
[06:05] <FifteenthMember> Thanks
[06:05] <FifteenthMember> So this is what I think we should do:
[06:06] <FifteenthMember> Recommend the use of AutoWikiBrowser to the Disney Wiki
[06:06] <FifteenthMember> Byzantine is here now so he can tell them, yes?
[06:06] <Byzantinefire> Yes i can tell them.
[06:07] <+Neumannz> How feasible would it be for us to do it all ourselves after all?
[06:07] <Byzantinefire> Very feasible.
[06:07] <+Neumannz> With or without AWB
[06:07] <FifteenthMember> It would solve a lot of arguments, as much a pain and unfairness it would be
[06:07] <Byzantinefire> AWB?
[06:08] <FifteenthMember> But one thing is the DisneyWiki is so broad, it's quite a mess
[06:08] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we could help, but I would like to see some work from the Disney Wiki too. It's not like we made the mess for us to have to clean up ourselves.
[06:08] <FifteenthMember> From my time editing there, it's hard to actually find anything
[06:08] <+Neumannz> Byz can give us the list of files
[06:09] <FifteenthMember> Err, linking every single image file is longer than copy'pasting the template and category onto them.
[06:09] <+Neumannz> AWB can let us edit them one after another
[06:09] <FifteenthMember> I'd think that anyway
[06:09] <Byzantinefire> I can't comply a list.
[06:10] <+Neumannz> Why not, wouldn't it be under your own contribution history
[06:10] <Byzantinefire> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Byzantinefire Well its been a while.
[06:12] <FifteenthMember> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:135620 :O
[06:13] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, never knew about that
[06:13] <Byzantinefire> Well that was for the Keyhole.
[06:14] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[06:14] <+Neumannz> For the keyhole, from over a year ago?
[06:14] <FifteenthMember> Oops, the last comment was from 5 days ago
[06:15] <FifteenthMember> So I assumed the entire thread was new x_x
[06:15] <FifteenthMember> I'm wondering what we could gain from Community Central
[06:15] <+Neumannz> Guys, a side point
[06:15] <FifteenthMember> Assistance, perhaps?
[06:15] <Byzantinefire> No i believe it was from a long time ago.
[06:15] <+Neumannz> is the article situation better?
[06:16] <Byzantinefire> Not for me it is.
[06:16] <+Neumannz> Because you wanted all of them to stay
[06:16] <FifteenthMember> All gameplay, key item and minigame stuff has been resolves fortunately
[06:17] <Byzantinefire> Most of them at least.
[06:17] <FifteenthMember> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:316656
[06:17] <FifteenthMember> It's pretty much just this that's left
[06:17] <+Neumannz> Guys I have less than 20 minutes left
[06:17] <Uxie|LR> Wait
[06:17] <Uxie|LR> A few wikis are no longer linking to the KHWiki
[06:17] <FifteenthMember> I'm thinking we should actually continue this roundtable next week cos it's so long :<
[06:18] <Uxie|LR> Okay then
[06:18] <FifteenthMember> Uxie, which ones?
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10[06:18] <Pea14733> ._.
[06:18] <FifteenthMember> x_x
[06:19] <+Neumannz> Huh
[06:19] <FifteenthMember> It was just a suggestion...
[06:19] <FifteenthMember> And guys: According the Wikia terms of use:
[06:20] <FifteenthMember> http://www.wikia.com/Licensing#Attribution
[06:21] <FifteenthMember> And then you have a community central thing where
[06:21] <+Neumannz> Ok, well, we can look into the feasibility of doing it ourselves
[06:21] <FifteenthMember> (pause for me faffing with links)
[06:21] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, forget it
[06:21] <+Neumannz> And st the same time reach out to wikia and/or community
[06:22] <+Neumannz> For advice or assistance
[06:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't mind getting involved and doing it ourselves.
[06:22] <FifteenthMember> http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/Report:Wiki HERE WE GO
10[06:22] <Pea14733> Oh cool
[06:22] <FifteenthMember> vstf is an extension of community central since community central's navbar had a "Report Wiki" button leading there
[06:23] <FifteenthMember> And it does say "Add if you believe a wiki violates Wikia's terms of use"
[06:25] <FifteenthMember> That's a possible avenue to go down. A fallback plan perhaps?
[06:26] <+Neumannz> Yes
[06:26] <FifteenthMember> So this is what's left of Disney Wiki to do
[06:26] <+Neumannz> Maybe a discreet inquiry on where the line is
[06:27] <+Neumannz> I have ten minutes
[06:27] <FifteenthMember> *Finish the images, as helped by Byzantine
[06:27] <FifteenthMember> *Figure out what to do with their KH-exclusive character articles, world articles and music
[06:28] <FifteenthMember> Now, the first half is all depending on whether or not Byzantine can get the list?
[06:28] <FifteenthMember> So can you, Byz? :P
[06:29] <FifteenthMember> Eurgh, we still have three more stuff on the agenda
[06:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The next one seems pretty easy, no?
[06:29] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, I'm pretty sure we need to either save the stuff for next roundtable or continue it next week
[06:29] <Byzantinefire> well i want to keep the music.
[06:29] <+Neumannz> I'm ok with next week
10[06:30] <Pea14733> I think next week as well