An Attempt to be Smart in #civil_debate

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+LoordGloom
notK Trump might still win.
NalaniEkewaka
The electors vote on 19 Dec.
+LoordGloom
ok
NalaniEkewaka
Today is 14 Nov.
+LoordGloom
will they get payed off
NalaniEkewaka
LoordGloom: do you consider yourself educated on the US Constitution
@IL_Shaman
TRIGGERED
NalaniEkewaka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsgP8LkEopM
Ignoring IL_Shaman!*@*
NalaniEkewaka
From what I can tell, the Framers built the electoral college to prevent people like Donald Trump from being president.
+Roderick`
I for one one he wins
NalaniEkewaka
Here's a question: If the electoral college isn't designed to prevent the election of people like Trump, what is the point of the electoral college?
+Roderick`
I hope he wins
NalaniEkewaka
Roderick`: your feelings don't have scope
Your thoughts on the electoral college may have scope
If you follow good practices of science, logic, political philosophy, and history
Here is a statement I certainly support: We should either have the electoral college pick people other than Trump, or we should abolish the electoral college.
If the EC isn't to stop people like Trump, then we're never going to use it and it just creates confusion.
+LoordGloom
NalaniEkewaka:  a little bit educate
+[Shoegazer]
lol fraud
NalaniEkewaka
LoordGloom: do you think it's plausible the EC should not pick Trump?
According to the intentions of the Framers?
ⓘ IL_Shaman set mode +v NalaniEkewaka
+Roderick`
The pacifier is the worst movie ever made, and I had no clue how bad of an actor Vin diesel is
Ignoring Roderick`!*@*
+NalaniEkewaka
I am not a leader, just a creature. Stick the peaches of my teacher when you follow where they lead. All mysterious ways of nature and I am in to it. Changing management.
And there are various ways to conquer this, monotonous, metropolis my stubbornness is bottomless my fear is this is talking shit and I am wide awake and I am taking names.Do you speak to me like you speak to God?
+NalaniEkewaka
High level discussion is not currently available in this channel.
Here's another thesis: To support the right of protest means, necessarily, one must, at least at times, explicitly support protests for which they disagree with the content of that protest.
If we observe a person or community and observe they only support the right of protests when its their team(s), and are hostile to protests that do not support their team(s), then that person or community is not for the right of protest -- they are for winning.
+[Shoegazer]
I agree
+NalaniEkewaka
Another thesis: If a person talks about a subgroup of a group at a higher rate than the representation of that subgroup in the group, then that person is biased.
Example: If 1 in 10000 protestors is breaking the law, e.g. vandalism, and if, upon asking a person how they feel about the protests says, Well, those vandals have got to stop!, then we can conclude that person is biased.
+[Shoegazer]
Yes likely
+NalaniEkewaka
Example: 98% of abortions occur before 20 weeks. So, focusing on late-term abortions is an example of bias, e.g. Trump choosing to answer his abortion question during the third debate by talking about non-existant abortions a day before birth.
+[Shoegazer]
yes they are white supremacists
Oh I worry
@highdivr
lol
+[Shoegazer]
lol he's already walking back his deportation promises, too
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+[Shoegazer]
lol that doesn't happen
not for "being illegal" lol
yeah they are subject to the same violence anyone is in a nation when they are there
americans live it up in mexico
lol
+NalaniEkewaka
[Shoegazer]: Vox claims that parties are weak but partisanship remains strong
+[Shoegazer]
yes sometimes americans get killed abroad it happens
+NalaniEkewaka
I think an example of this is the way in which Democrats resisted some of the more sweeping surveillance programs of Bush, but accepted them under Obama.
+[Shoegazer]
none of these links are evidence of targeting of americans
+NalaniEkewaka
Likewise, I predict many Republicans will not be too upset at Trump breaking his promises to them.
Because he is 'their guy'
+[Shoegazer]
So much no proof
A tiny one
Yep, lots of people get killed abroad
Good thing that was never the claims
+NalaniEkewaka
[Shoegazer]: you appear to be focusing on beating down the dumb arguments of dumb people
+[Shoegazer]
They aren't specifically killing them for being "illegal americans" like you suggesting shooting mexican immigrants
+NalaniEkewaka
That is legal
+[Shoegazer]
YOU CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION
holy shit
+NalaniEkewaka
(What's going on, NalaniEkewaka?)
+[Shoegazer]
you made a claim and none of that is an evidence for your claim
so way to post a bunch of irrelevant links
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+NalaniEkewaka
([Shoegazer] is currently getting outraged at a dumb person)
ⓘ IL_Shaman set mode +v manduh
+NalaniEkewaka
(Oh, yeah? How come?)
(Did she not know they were dumb before she began talking to them?)
+[Shoegazer]
I get annoyed when people aren't literate NalaniEkewaka
+NalaniEkewaka
(No, she knew they were dumb. She selected them because of their dumbness.)
(So, did she want to get outraged at the dumbness of a dumb person, then?)
+manduh
hi shaman
+NalaniEkewaka
(Yes. That is what she wanted. Humans like being outraged)
+[Shoegazer]
Nope. You just are clearly barely literate
This has nothing to do with elitism at all
+NalaniEkewaka
[Shoegazer]: did you see Stephen Colbert's election night show?
+[Shoegazer]
it isn't elite to have literacy in your native language
Like if you think that is a sign of eliteness you are insane.
+NalaniEkewaka
(What's she doing now?)
(She's getting outraged somemore at the dumb person who doesn't recognize they are dumb.)
+[Shoegazer]
Not yet, lol.
+manduh
why are you putting everything you say inside parenthesis?
+NalaniEkewaka
(How do you think this will end, NalaniEkewaka?)
manduh: this is a esoteric conversation I'm having with an alien observation of our species
+manduh
mmkay
+NalaniEkewaka
(She'll bang her head against the wall of the dumb person a few more times, utterly convinced they are dumb, feeling a mix of frustration and superiority.)
(It's not that satisfying, but at least it's better than feeling empty)
But, we know what we are for
And how we became so informed
Bodies of info, forming such miracles
I am a miracle, made up of particles
And in this existence, I'll stay persistent
And I'll make a difference
+manduh
i'm guessing it's andu
+LoordGloom
who
 me?
+NalaniEkewaka
manduh: did you know that I am the universe speaking to you
+manduh
oh i guess not
but i'm glad that you accept your name, andu
+NalaniEkewaka
This is what the universe looks like where 'I' am at
+LoordGloom
 no its not me
 i know who it is
+manduh
yea i know that now, shaman
+LoordGloom
his nick is a puzzle
+NalaniEkewaka
You are also the universe
I don't mean, you're like the universe
+manduh
oh. he doesn't seem quite condescending enough to be lani
+NalaniEkewaka
Or, wouldn't it promote good human social relationships if we pretended we were the universe?
Ignoring manduh!*@*
+NalaniEkewaka
I mean, We are the universe
I mean, I am the universe in the same way that the sun is part of the universe
Or rocks in space
The universe partially likes listening to Hawaiian music about human social relationships
The universe partially likes debating philosophy in #civil_debate
The universe is also somewhat at war with itself
Which is an interesting thing to reflect on
Why should the universe be at war with itself
Is the universe a slave to game theory?
Is game theory a necessary byproduct of the breaking of symmetry?