Oct 10 11:04:57 <Rusty>	First topic of discussion?
Oct 10 11:05:06 <ArroW>	is gamer here?
Oct 10 11:05:09 <Rusty>	10-0
Oct 10 11:05:10 <Merridew>	Adding more OTIs
Oct 10 11:05:12 <Timtso>	Should we say some ground rules first?
Oct 10 11:05:13 <Coffee>	meeting started?
Oct 10 11:05:17 <Rusty>	Sure Timtso
Oct 10 11:05:20 <Rusty>	just now Coffee
Oct 10 11:05:22 <Price[SAPD]>	Timtso, I believe you should have the floor first, if that's alright with you Rusty?
Oct 10 11:05:32 <ArroW>	meeting not started yet i supose
Oct 10 11:05:35 <Rusty>	Sure. I've been away for a bit anyway
Oct 10 11:05:45 <Rusty>	yes Arrow we're starting now
Oct 10 11:05:55 <ArroW>	okay them
Oct 10 11:05:57 <Timtso>	Okay, please everyone be quiet
Oct 10 11:06:12 <ArroW>	Im using tab so expect some typing mistakes
Oct 10 11:06:13 <Timtso>	All start with some rules we follow trough this meeting
Oct 10 11:06:14 <Price[SAPD]>	Alright before I hand over to Timtso may I remind you of the ground rules
Oct 10 11:06:16 <Price[SAPD]>	http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=147594.msg1996892#msg1996892
Oct 10 11:06:21 <Beckford>	Url: http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=147594.msg1996892#msg1996892 - Title: Login
Oct 10 11:06:37 <Price[SAPD]>	Over to you, Tim.
Oct 10 11:06:37 <KaReemFTW>	I'm at home now
Oct 10 11:06:49 <Timtso>	Please respect these rules
Oct 10 11:06:50 <KilleR>	I talked to chique
Oct 10 11:06:50 <KaReemFTW>	Starting in 3 mins
Oct 10 11:06:56 <KilleR>	His coming now
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Oct 10 11:07:02 <ArroW>	10-4
Oct 10 11:07:10 <Coffee>	Chique <33
Oct 10 11:07:14 <KilleR>	Black magic or what
Oct 10 11:07:15 <Bully_>	Welcome sir
Oct 10 11:07:16 <Merridew>	Silence
Oct 10 11:07:21 <HULK|SAPD>	hay late chique
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Oct 10 11:07:23 <Chique>	Thank you
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Oct 10 11:07:43 <Bully_>	Perm to seggest?
Oct 10 11:07:50 <Timtso>	Sure
Oct 10 11:07:58 <Chique>	Go ahead
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Oct 10 11:08:07 <Merridew>	Let's start with the first topic.
Oct 10 11:08:13 <Bully_>	when some one is speaking, dont speak untill he say, i finished!
Oct 10 11:08:27 <Bully_>	to dont let lot of bla bla and all speaking in same time
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Oct 10 11:08:44 <Timtso>	Obviously
Oct 10 11:08:44 <Rusty>	yeah that's already in the ground rules Bully
Oct 10 11:08:50 <Infernuz>	[18:02] <+Price[SAPD]> http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=147594.msg1996892#msg1996892
Oct 10 11:08:51 <Beckford>	Url: http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=147594.msg1996892#msg1996892 - Title: Login
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Oct 10 11:09:26 <Merridew>	!kb neverdie We do have a fuking meeting
Oct 10 11:09:27 *	Beckford has kicked NeVeRDiE|Away from #sapd (We do have a fuking meeting)
Oct 10 11:09:32 <Timtso>	Everyone ready?
Oct 10 11:09:37 <Merridew>	Ye
Oct 10 11:09:37 <Coffee>	10=1
Oct 10 11:09:40 <External>	10-1
Oct 10 11:09:40 <Chique>	Sure
Oct 10 11:09:43 <Spawlz>	Ye
Oct 10 11:09:46 <Bully_>	Yes
Oct 10 11:09:52 <Price[SAPD]>	Merridew, refer to the rules
Oct 10 11:09:58 <Timtso>	Alright
Oct 10 11:10:03 <Timtso>	First topic
Oct 10 11:10:12 <Timtso>	More OTIs
Oct 10 11:10:36 <Timtso>	Myself don't know good people to add, since I've not been active
Oct 10 11:10:44 <Chique>	May I?
Oct 10 11:10:48 <Merridew>	May I suggest OTIs?
Oct 10 11:10:49 <Timtso>	I guess Chique/Rusty would be better judge on that one
Oct 10 11:10:59 <Timtso>	Go ahed
Oct 10 11:11:02 <Timtso>	ahead*
Oct 10 11:11:11 <Rusty>	It'd be hard for me to suggest any, been away for a while
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Oct 10 11:11:27 <Rusty>	!kb xProSoul come back after meeting pls
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Oct 10 11:11:29 <Price[SAPD]>	I may be the best person for this... sorry for interjecting..
Oct 10 11:11:49 <Chique>	OTI = people who can take rct test. We have sufficient. We don't have trl S stuck at trl.
Oct 10 11:12:08 <KilleR>	We have enough Oti's
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Oct 10 11:12:21 <Chique>	If we are referring to number of trainings, question is sgt+ can host, why don't they?
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Oct 10 11:12:30 <Rusty>	was gonna say ^
Oct 10 11:12:41 <Timtso>	That is true
Oct 10 11:12:42 <Rusty>	SGT+ don't need OTI badge to do trainings
Oct 10 11:12:57 <Bully_>	Perm to speak ?
Oct 10 11:13:01 <Coffee>	perm to say something?
Oct 10 11:13:04 <Timtso>	Denied
Oct 10 11:13:08 <Chique>	Only people who can't host wants to host desperately, what happens when they actually can?
Oct 10 11:13:16 <KaReemFTW>	Hello, I'm now ready.
Oct 10 11:13:18 <Chique>	Finished
Oct 10 11:13:19 <HULK|SAPD>	perm to talk
Oct 10 11:13:19 <Timtso>	They don't
Oct 10 11:13:39 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 11:13:41 <KaReemFTW>	Just a question, how to log the chat in hexchat ?
Oct 10 11:13:51 <HULK|SAPD>	did any body ask why do we need OTIs ??
Oct 10 11:14:03 <HULK|SAPD>	well OTIs are now active on thursday
Oct 10 11:14:06 <HULK|SAPD>	not all the days
Oct 10 11:14:12 <HULK|SAPD>	so we need 1 or 2 more
Oct 10 11:14:16 <Rusty>	Settings > Preferences > Logging @Kareem
Oct 10 11:14:31 <Timtso>	Okay
Oct 10 11:14:37 <HULK|SAPD>	thats what i think but as you like
Oct 10 11:14:40 <Price[SAPD]>	It's all down to a matter of timezone as well.
Oct 10 11:14:47 <Timtso>	So we don't need more OTIs, is that what we all want?
Oct 10 11:14:58 <HULK|SAPD>	osama i haven't seen you online for ages btw
Oct 10 11:15:03 <Coffee>	i think we need (sorry for non-perm)
Oct 10 11:15:11 <Rusty>	I don't think we necessarily need them, but at the same time, if someone's deserving of it, it wouldn't hurt to add them
Oct 10 11:15:13 <Rusty>	imo
Oct 10 11:15:25 <Infernuz>	Perm to speak?
Oct 10 11:15:31 <Timtso>	Granted
Oct 10 11:16:09 <Infernuz>	I agree with what Rusty said. We do need OTI's, but when they have to test a TRL or host a training, just do it. 1 is enough for a day
Oct 10 11:16:38 <Bully_>	Perm to speak?
Oct 10 11:16:45 <Timtso>	Denied
Oct 10 11:16:45 <Infernuz>	I mean, don't host too many trainings ( for example, training after training after training )
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Oct 10 11:17:06 <Rusty>	!kb Mr_Guitar come back after meeting pls
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Oct 10 11:17:12 <Infernuz>	So basicly, thats the same stuff that everyone said in the previous meeting.
Oct 10 11:17:19 <Price[SAPD]>	Requesting to have the floor after Infernuz
Oct 10 11:17:26 <Timtso>	Granted
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Oct 10 11:17:35 <Infernuz>	So lets just add 1 or 2 more OTIs, and thats it. Finished.
Oct 10 11:17:49 <KilleR>	I would talk after price
Oct 10 11:17:56 <KilleR>	Price go ahead
Oct 10 11:18:06 <Price[SAPD]>	Let Infernuz say Finished
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Oct 10 11:18:12 <Price[SAPD]>	Oh nvm
Oct 10 11:18:13 <KilleR>	 He did
Oct 10 11:18:17 <Price[SAPD]>	1AM here* lol
Oct 10 11:18:21 <Price[SAPD]>	Okay well..
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Oct 10 11:18:52 <Price[SAPD]>	First of all, I completely second what Infernuz is saying, however, I would like to point something out to Chique as well as Timtso regarding SGT+
Oct 10 11:19:03 <Chique>	I agree. No of trainings per day is enough today
Oct 10 11:19:14 <Chique>	Sure?
Oct 10 11:19:23 <Price[SAPD]>	Take a good hard look at that SGT rank on the roster and look below it
Oct 10 11:19:41 <Price[SAPD]>	Then divert your eyes above SGT
Oct 10 11:20:04 <Rusty>	I noticed the disparity as well
Oct 10 11:20:04 <Chique>	Activity is below the Sgt right?
Oct 10 11:20:21 <Price[SAPD]>	I agree it's a matter of SGT+s not being able to host trainings
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Oct 10 11:20:35 <Coffee>	perm to speak?
Oct 10 11:20:39 <Timtso>	Denied
Oct 10 11:20:40 <Price[SAPD]>	Purely and simply because somewhere down the line, promotions have just... halted..
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Oct 10 11:20:59 <Price[SAPD]>	Now I'm not saying 'yo let's promote all these people all at once'
Oct 10 11:21:12 <Chique>	Right rather they go semi active once they reach a high rank
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Oct 10 11:21:28 <Price[SAPD]>	But what I may suggest is perhaps a select few be considered and evntuated into that SGT, SOC role
Oct 10 11:21:42 <Price[SAPD]>	eventuated*
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Oct 10 11:22:04 <Price[SAPD]>	Just to move things along and flatten the spread so to speak
Oct 10 11:22:38 <Chique>	We have followed a step by step promotion, should we skip a few then?
Oct 10 11:22:51 <Chique>	Or generally promote but a bit seriously?
Oct 10 11:23:07 <Price[SAPD]>	I believe Chique it's a matter of
Oct 10 11:23:09 <Rusty>	I'd like to have the floor after KilleR
Oct 10 11:23:29 <Timtso>	Sure
Oct 10 11:23:36 <KilleR>	Price didn't finish
Oct 10 11:23:38 <Price[SAPD]>	Sussing out who is and isn't active
Oct 10 11:24:09 <Price[SAPD]>	Who is well on track and giving it their 110%
Oct 10 11:24:17 <Price[SAPD]>	and having someone who can monitor that
Oct 10 11:24:32 <Chique>	Got it
Oct 10 11:24:38 <KilleR>	So some people need to skip ranks?
Oct 10 11:24:44 <Price[SAPD]>	I'm not blaming you three by any means, inactivity is inactivity, although that issue is still there..
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Oct 10 11:24:49 <Chique>	No
Oct 10 11:24:54 <Price[SAPD]>	You three go inactive and that roster stays stale
Oct 10 11:25:01 <KilleR>	!kb madman meeting
Oct 10 11:25:01 <Chique>	But we would demote too @killer
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Oct 10 11:25:19 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 11:25:20 <Chique>	Absolutely correct price
Oct 10 11:25:27 <Chique>	Rusty you have it
Oct 10 11:25:34 <Rusty>	Killer is next I think
Oct 10 11:25:38 <Price[SAPD]>	It's more of re-organizing rather than 'promote/demote fast-track/back-track'
Oct 10 11:25:39 <Timtso>	I've been inactive for over a year
Oct 10 11:25:52 <Timtso>	I'm an adviser, nothing more
Oct 10 11:25:58 <KilleR>	Alright boys
Oct 10 11:26:01 <Price[SAPD]>	May I end by just saying this about OTIs
Oct 10 11:26:25 <Price[SAPD]>	I know two people I would highly reccomend and I believe there should be at least 2 new ones appointed.
Oct 10 11:26:28 <Price[SAPD]>	Thank you, finished.
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Oct 10 11:27:03 <Timtso>	Killer
Oct 10 11:27:06 <Timtso>	Your turn
Oct 10 11:27:06 <KilleR>	There will be an inspector +meeting to discuss the people I guess!?
Oct 10 11:27:09 <KilleR>	Last time
Oct 10 11:27:11 <KilleR>	Like
Oct 10 11:27:24 <KilleR>	Anyway
Oct 10 11:27:28 <Timtso>	Probably just PMing
Oct 10 11:27:38 <KilleR>	We don't need Oti's
Oct 10 11:27:45 <KilleR>	TRL getting tested
Oct 10 11:27:53 <Chique>	Sure price go ahead and recommend them on roster I'll brief them the details in 2 hours
Oct 10 11:27:53 <KilleR>	There's always an oti avaliable
Oct 10 11:28:05 <KilleR>	Online
Oct 10 11:28:09 <KilleR>	At all time
Oct 10 11:28:15 <Coffee>	perm to have the flare after rusty?
Oct 10 11:28:19 <KilleR>	Trainings are done regularly
Oct 10 11:28:52 <KilleR>	To conclude,  OTI'S arnt needed at all atm
Oct 10 11:28:58 <KilleR>	Finished
Oct 10 11:29:04 <Timtso>	Rusty
Oct 10 11:29:12 <HULK|SAPD>	rusty's turn
Oct 10 11:29:21 <Infernuz>	Sorry, but perm to add something?
Oct 10 11:29:30 <Timtso>	Alright
Oct 10 11:29:30 <Price[SAPD]>	^
Oct 10 11:29:38 <Rusty>	Good points there, KilleR. As I said, we don't necessarily "need" more, but like always, if there's people who deserve it, I think we could give it to them
Oct 10 11:30:04 <HULK|SAPD>	perm to speak after rusty
Oct 10 11:30:08 <Infernuz>	Keep in mind that there's also school, and different timezones.
Oct 10 11:30:41 <Price[SAPD]>	Which was what I was about to say
Oct 10 11:30:49 <Price[SAPD]>	I never see any OTIs in my timezone.
Oct 10 11:30:58 <KilleR>	We need and oti
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Oct 10 11:31:07 <HULK|SAPD>	guys let rusty talk he didn't say finish all STFU
Oct 10 11:31:10 <KilleR>	At the Australian / American time zone
Oct 10 11:31:14 <Chique>	Cuz Australia T.T so price recommend a few from your timezone
Oct 10 11:31:21 <Chique>	On the roster
Oct 10 11:31:30 <Niinja>	+1 Price ^
Oct 10 11:31:32 <Chique>	Yeah rusty ^^^^
Oct 10 11:31:42 <HULK|SAPD>	guys please let rusty complete
Oct 10 11:31:50 <Rusty>	Concerning high-ranking inactivity, I'd like to take a moment to discuss my own. As many of you know, I recently moved to a different part of the state. That coupled with a lot of drama within my family, trying to find a decent ISP, everything concerning me leaving the Staff team, among other things has not only stressed me out a lot, but in some ways diminished my motivation to be a part of CIT.
Oct 10 11:32:13 <Rusty>	My most recent bit of inactivity was caused by confusion concerning my data limit with my current ISP.
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Oct 10 11:32:52 <Rusty>	However, I've had time to relax my mind, I'm settled in the new house, drama has died down, and I'm more motivated than ever to get back on track here.
Oct 10 11:33:19 <Rusty>	I'll do the best I can on my end to get things rolling the way they should in SAPD again.
Oct 10 11:33:28 <Timtso>	Rusty, we'll discuss highranks later :P
Oct 10 11:33:41 <Rusty>	Just wanted to kinda give you guys an update on my situation
Oct 10 11:33:46 <Timtso>	The topic was OTIs
Oct 10 11:33:56 <HULK|SAPD>	perm to talk after rusty
Oct 10 11:34:00 <Merridew>	Let's move to the second topic
Oct 10 11:34:06 <Timtso>	Wait
Oct 10 11:34:11 <HULK|SAPD>	i want to talk about OTIs
Oct 10 11:34:18 <Chique>	Actually very higher ranks are here to resolve issues, so it's airtight rusty, whenever we have a problem you'll be there for granted.
Oct 10 11:34:20 <Rusty>	sorry 'bout that, just took the opportunity there. I think OTI situation is fine, don't "need" more but if they're deserving, we could add them. Finished.
Oct 10 11:34:31 <Coffee>	i want to say something on OTIs
Oct 10 11:34:35 <Chique>	Let hulk speak
Oct 10 11:34:40 <Chique>	Then coffee
Oct 10 11:34:49 <Price[SAPD]>	Yeah man, I'll go out on a limb to be here till 2 in the morning my time if need be.
Oct 10 11:35:04 <HULK|SAPD>	ok when so now SGT can host official trainings ??
Oct 10 11:35:14 <Chique>	😂?
Oct 10 11:35:17 <Timtso>	Always been
Oct 10 11:35:18 <Chique>	Lolmao
Oct 10 11:35:20 <HULK|SAPD>	ok
Oct 10 11:35:27 <Chique>	Kick this guy xD
Oct 10 11:35:31 <Timtso>	Read the Info center pls
Oct 10 11:35:33 <Rusty>	http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=18557.msg284129#msg284129
Oct 10 11:35:34 <Beckford>	Url: http://cit2.net/index.php?topic=18557.msg284129#msg284129 - Title: Login
Oct 10 11:35:46 <HULK|SAPD>	i want to host a training now people dont give attention to unofficial training like official
Oct 10 11:35:55 <HULK|SAPD>	only when a high rank is online
Oct 10 11:36:08 <KilleR>	We had a reason
Oct 10 11:36:13 <HULK|SAPD>	and ??
Oct 10 11:36:15 <Infernuz>	Perm to suggest something.
Oct 10 11:36:21 <Timtso>	Later
Oct 10 11:36:24 <KilleR>	That only Sgt + cam host
Oct 10 11:36:28 <HULK|SAPD>	well today is the first day i host a training and it have more than 2
Oct 10 11:36:28 <KilleR>	Because
Oct 10 11:36:36 <HULK|SAPD>	beacuse of price called them
Oct 10 11:36:37 <Chique>	So get Sgt as soon as possible hulk, we will help you
Oct 10 11:37:01 <HULK|SAPD>	well i am doing all i can as i have a hard school cuz i am 3rd prepatory
Oct 10 11:37:02 <KilleR>	Low ranked members used yo host a training session that would last for 2 hours
Oct 10 11:37:04 <RedDrifter>	May I make a suggestion?
Oct 10 11:37:05 <HULK|SAPD>	and i will do more and more
Oct 10 11:37:22 <Chique>	Sure, coffee now
Oct 10 11:37:23 <HULK|SAPD>	well you can ask rusty my training didn't take 20 minutes
Oct 10 11:37:28 <Coffee>	okay guys
Oct 10 11:37:33 <Timtso>	Hulk, you are off topic
Oct 10 11:37:51 <Coffee>	i want to say that the OFCs are the most active person in SAPD
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Oct 10 11:38:13 <Coffee>	i think leaders need to see the most active OFCs
Oct 10 11:38:27 <Coffee>	and who made a lots of unofficial trainings
Oct 10 11:38:33 <Chique>	Yeah thats already been mentioned by price
Oct 10 11:38:39 <Rusty>	[11:33:28] <Timtso> Rusty, we'll discuss highranks later :P
Oct 10 11:38:40 <Coffee>	i think they deserve to be OTI
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Oct 10 11:38:53 <Coffee>	i didn't talk about high ranks
Oct 10 11:39:01 <Rusty>	leaders = high ranks
Oct 10 11:39:03 <Timtso>	OTI is not to host trainings, but to test TRLs
Oct 10 11:39:06 <Rusty>	oh nvm
Oct 10 11:39:08 <Rusty>	I misread
Oct 10 11:39:12 <Chique>	We don't make all ofc as oti
Oct 10 11:39:24 <Chique>	Exactly as Timtso said
Oct 10 11:39:27 <Coffee>	i said the mopsta ctive
Oct 10 11:39:30 <Coffee>	most*
Oct 10 11:39:33 <Coffee>	active*
Oct 10 11:39:57 <Coffee>	that's why i suggest chique to make the unofficial trainings topic
Oct 10 11:40:03 <KilleR>	I would like to talk again
Oct 10 11:40:03 <Rusty>	There are a lot of factors that go into deciding who becomes an OTI, not just activity
Oct 10 11:40:06 <Timtso>	Obviously they are most active, since we have the most members as OFCs
Oct 10 11:40:14 <Coffee>	because leaders don't see all what happen in-game..
Oct 10 11:40:29 <Chique>	Coffee so what to do?
Oct 10 11:40:31 <Coffee>	just like tim say
Oct 10 11:40:44 <Timtso>	The leaders know who deserves it or not, trust me
Oct 10 11:40:46 <Coffee>	i think ledaers need to see the most active OFCs
Oct 10 11:40:55 <Coffee>	+1 tim
Oct 10 11:40:57 <Infernuz>	Can i talk now?
Oct 10 11:40:59 <KilleR>	We do see them
Oct 10 11:41:11 <RedDrifter>	Mind if I make a suggestion before?
Oct 10 11:41:14 <Coffee>	finished.
Oct 10 11:41:24 <KilleR>	So if you host trainings the second day you get oti? Ofcoure not
Oct 10 11:41:24 <Coffee>	i hope you understood me
Oct 10 11:41:31 <Coffee>	i know
Oct 10 11:41:32 <Timtso>	Everyone hold up for a minute
Oct 10 11:41:45 <Coffee>	ubut atleast leaders will know the skills
Oct 10 11:41:46 <Timtso>	I think we have heard enough on the OTI matter
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Oct 10 11:42:04 <Chique>	I didn't get your point... If someone wants to host he can host. If none is coming to someone's training, then the host isn't interesting or doesn't host good trainings.
Oct 10 11:42:14 <Hercules>	Not Must Be OFC Lol There is SOC
Oct 10 11:42:22 <Timtso>	Let's summarize
Oct 10 11:42:29 <Coffee>	can i explain more?
Oct 10 11:42:29 <Price[SAPD]>	Alright well Chique/Timtso/Rusty would dispel it right here and now for everyone regarding new base/skins/cars etc.
Oct 10 11:42:32 <KaReemFTW>	Ok osama
Oct 10 11:42:35 <Price[SAPD]>	you please ^
Oct 10 11:42:48 <Coffee>	okay
Oct 10 11:42:50 <RedDrifter>	Mind if I please make up a suggestion regarding the offcial/unoffcial training?
Oct 10 11:42:52 <Coffee>	my idea is
Oct 10 11:42:53 <HULK|SAPD>	i will send it to you @ osama
Oct 10 11:43:05 <Timtso>	Silence everyone
Oct 10 11:43:14 <Chique>	After coffee, reddrifter
Oct 10 11:43:29 <Coffee>	i talk?
Oct 10 11:43:33 <Coffee>	okay
Oct 10 11:43:41 <Coffee>	i want to say
Oct 10 11:43:45 <Infernuz>	i am still in queue but anyway.
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Oct 10 11:43:50 <Coffee>	that i made unofficial topic
Oct 10 11:44:03 <Coffee>	to make leaders see what they don't see while offline
Oct 10 11:44:08 <KilleR>	Silence
Oct 10 11:44:08 <Chique>	Ok inf after red
Oct 10 11:44:17 <Coffee>	how is OFCs skills
Oct 10 11:44:26 <RedDrifter>	May I speak now?
Oct 10 11:44:30 <Coffee>	wait
Oct 10 11:44:40 <HULK|SAPD>	red wait till he say finished
Oct 10 11:44:40 <Chique>	And its good coffee I already said
Oct 10 11:45:10 <Coffee>	adn make leaders see if any OFC have skills or nah
Oct 10 11:45:21 <Chique>	Anything new?
Oct 10 11:45:23 <Coffee>	because SGT+
Oct 10 11:45:30 <Bully_>	Coffe you are repeating same words
Oct 10 11:45:37 <Coffee>	they make training without perm
Oct 10 11:45:39 <HULK|SAPD>	why do you talk about OFCs only coffee
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Oct 10 11:45:42 <Chique>	Red goi ahead
Oct 10 11:45:49 <Chique>	Go *
Oct 10 11:45:56 <KaReemFTW>	^^ hulk
Oct 10 11:45:58 <Coffee>	nvm talk red..
Oct 10 11:46:17 <Merridew>	OTIs are not the most skilled people, let's move to the next topic because we're being 45 minutes discussing about OTIs and you said it all.
Oct 10 11:46:35 <Chique>	Red drifter is up now
Oct 10 11:46:47 <RedDrifter>	Well as he said before some people do not attend unoffcial trainings because they find it ''pointless'' or just because they are not obliged to do so, so my suggestion is that SGT+ can give RCT-SOC permission to host an offcial training
Oct 10 11:46:50 <Chip>	The meeting is now?
Oct 10 11:47:07 <HULK|SAPD>	started 45 minutes ago chip
Oct 10 11:47:13 <Timtso>	Red, we have tried that before
Oct 10 11:47:18 <Timtso>	Doesn't work
Oct 10 11:47:18 <Chip>	Holy fuck, Srry i was asleep
Oct 10 11:47:41 <RedDrifter>	We can always try it again, i've seen people that actually want to do it but they are ignored because it's ''unoffcial''
Oct 10 11:47:59 <Infernuz>	May i speak?
Oct 10 11:48:00 <Chique>	Red it's baf
Oct 10 11:48:02 <Coffee>	+1 red!
Oct 10 11:48:03 <Chique>	Bad
Oct 10 11:48:07 <Kenny>	Perm to leave (it's late night already and I still have class tomorrow morning)
Oct 10 11:48:14 <Timtso>	If it's unofficial and they don't want to go, why should we force them?
Oct 10 11:48:32 <Coffee>	perm to answer your questio tim?
Oct 10 11:48:35 <Chip>	Timtso has a point
Oct 10 11:48:44 <Chique>	You guys joined again so you are matured
Oct 10 11:48:48 <HULK|SAPD>	guys if you leave i will post all logs for you in a topic and must be locked ASAP
Oct 10 11:48:50 <RedDrifter>	Timsto same goes for SGT+ then, why should they attend then if they don't want to?
Oct 10 11:48:58 <Chique>	But otherwise rct hosting a training ends in a fight
Oct 10 11:48:59 <KaReemFTW>	brb
Oct 10 11:49:05 <Chique>	Can prove it
Oct 10 11:49:24 <Timtso>	They don't want to be in training 24/7
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Oct 10 11:49:46 <Price[SAPD]>	Moving to my mobile
Oct 10 11:49:46 <Bully_>	Let's move to the next topic, we had a lot with that one
Oct 10 11:49:49 <Coffee>	but i think CON+ don't end because they are popular and have control
Oct 10 11:49:56 <Price[SAPD]>	That 'Price' is me
Oct 10 11:49:59 <Hercules>	I see about OTIs Only High Ranks Talk about it..  i see this
Oct 10 11:50:12 <RedDrifter>	One last thing if I may
Oct 10 11:50:17 <Timtso>	yep
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Oct 10 11:50:23 <Chique>	Sure
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Oct 10 11:50:43 <Rusty>	identify yoself feg
Oct 10 11:51:30 <RedDrifter>	Actually never mind, continue!
Oct 10 11:51:35 <Timtso>	Alright
Oct 10 11:51:49 <HULK|SAPD>	lets go for the other topic we are now 50 minutes talking about OTIs
Oct 10 11:51:49 <Timtso>	Lets summarize
Oct 10 11:52:04 <Timtso>	So
Oct 10 11:52:13 <Infernuz>	oh for gods sake..
Oct 10 11:52:15 <HULK|SAPD>	people are logging off
Oct 10 11:52:17 <Timtso>	OTIs, we don't actually need OTIs
Oct 10 11:52:31 <Timtso>	Trainings are regular
Oct 10 11:52:50 <Timtso>	Ofcourse, if someone deserves it, they can be added
Oct 10 11:53:12 <Timtso>	I vote that it stays the same way
Oct 10 11:53:17 <Timtso>	Chique/Rusty
Oct 10 11:53:28 <Rusty>	Agreed
Oct 10 11:53:37 <Chip>	May i know what would've been changed in OTI system?
Oct 10 11:53:51 <Coffee>	nothing
Oct 10 11:53:52 <HULK|SAPD>	nothing chip
Oct 10 11:53:52 <KilleR>	Nothing
Oct 10 11:53:52 <Chique>	I agreed
Oct 10 11:53:55 <Chique>	Nothing
Oct 10 11:54:03 <Timtso>	Actually nothing, just that we don't do anything about it
Oct 10 11:54:16 <Chique>	Except skins which I'll post pic on forum, anything else?
Oct 10 11:54:18 <Infernuz>	I just want to add something
Oct 10 11:54:30 <Timtso>	Sure
Oct 10 11:54:44 <Infernuz>	A few suggestions to finish this topic
Oct 10 11:54:46 <Coffee>	car spawner
Oct 10 11:54:56 <Infernuz>	1. Add 1 more OTI
Oct 10 11:55:10 <Infernuz>	2. Delete the unofficial trainings topic
Oct 10 11:55:12 <Timtso>	<@Timtso> Ofcourse, if someone deserves it, they can be added
Oct 10 11:55:13 <Chique>	Price will add 2
Oct 10 11:55:19 <Chique>	Why infer
Oct 10 11:55:26 <Infernuz>	3. Let CON+ host unofficial trainings WITHOUT perm
Oct 10 11:55:26 <Chique>	Why delete that topic?
Oct 10 11:55:32 <Infernuz>	But, without forcing them
Oct 10 11:55:46 <Infernuz>	Because whats the point of having 2 topics for trainings?
Oct 10 11:55:49 <Coffee>	and OFCs who are not OTI?
Oct 10 11:55:59 <Chique>	Unofficial inf
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Oct 10 11:56:13 <Merridew>	Wait wait, did you talk about vehicles/base?
Oct 10 11:56:14 <Timtso>	You don't need perm to host an unofficial
Oct 10 11:56:18 <Chique>	Coffee stop talking about ofc S only
Oct 10 11:56:20 <Timtso>	nope
Oct 10 11:56:27 <HULK|SAPD>	well to inform the high ranks your activity while you are offline and SAPD's activity
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Oct 10 11:56:56 <KilleR>	Coffee you only talk about con cause your in con, don't reply to this let others talk
Oct 10 11:56:57 <Merridew>	!voice price
Oct 10 11:56:57 <Bully_>	Perm to speak about this topic ? (Spawner, Vehicles)
Oct 10 11:57:12 <Timtso>	Denied
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Oct 10 11:57:25 <Masterr>	Meeting ? D:
Oct 10 11:57:27 <Timtso>	Okay guys, let's move to the 2nd topic
Oct 10 11:57:28 <HULK|SAPD>	coffee is OFC and talking about OFCs only @ killer not CONs
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Oct 10 11:57:39 <Masterr>	lol
Oct 10 11:57:41 <Coffee>	first i am OFC second i just talk on OFC because they are the most members have OFC rank in SAPD..
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Oct 10 11:58:13 <Chip>	Can we just move on to the next topic? D:
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Oct 10 11:58:18 <Timtso>	I'm trying
Oct 10 11:58:22 <Merridew>	Yes please
Oct 10 11:58:28 <Coffee>	next topic please.
Oct 10 11:58:39 <Timtso>	OTI topic closed
Oct 10 11:58:44 <Masterr>	:(
Oct 10 11:58:50 <HULK|SAPD>	well what ranks can be moderators ??
Oct 10 11:58:55 *	Timtso sets ban on *!*@C2D6539B.312E4D21.B5F0972D.IP
Oct 10 11:58:58 *	Timtso has kicked HULK|SAPD from #sapd (Timtso)
Oct 10 11:58:59 <Merridew>	New moderators
Oct 10 11:59:08 <Coffee>	how to kick?
Oct 10 11:59:14 <Price[SAPD]>	The next topic I believe is potentially needing a new moderator
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Oct 10 11:59:17 <Chique>	Skins -  will post pics on forum tomorrow
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Oct 10 11:59:32 <Timtso>	yes, 2nd topic is Moderators
Oct 10 11:59:35 <KaReemFTW>	the 2nd topic is about moderators
Oct 10 11:59:39 <Merridew>	I don't think we need any, since kareem was added
Oct 10 11:59:44 <Chique>	Kareem will be a moderator
Oct 10 11:59:50 <Coffee>	+1 with merridew
Oct 10 11:59:51 <Timtso>	He is
Oct 10 11:59:51 <KaReemFTW>	I'm already
Oct 10 12:00:05 <KaReemFTW>	just got added today @chique
Oct 10 12:00:11 <KilleR>	Kareem got added?
Oct 10 12:00:16 <Masterr>	+
Oct 10 12:00:16 <Merridew>	Yes
Oct 10 12:00:18 <Timtso>	I don't think we need more changes, not like the homepage ever gets flooded
Oct 10 12:00:28 <KilleR>	Grats
Oct 10 12:00:33 <Coffee>	3rd topic?
Oct 10 12:00:43 <Rusty>	Yeah I think we have enough, and now that I'm back, even less need to add more
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Oct 10 12:01:02 <Bully_>	I have to leave now sorry.
Oct 10 12:01:04 <Timtso>	Any objections?
Oct 10 12:01:09 <KilleR>	Nope
Oct 10 12:01:11 <Chip>	No
Oct 10 12:01:11 <Merridew>	Nop
Oct 10 12:01:16 <KaReemFTW>	no
Oct 10 12:01:18 <Bully_>	Our Spawner
Oct 10 12:01:20 <Price[SAPD]>	I believe that's it unless anyone has anything else to say..
Oct 10 12:01:22 <Coffee>	no
Oct 10 12:01:22 <ArroW>	no
Oct 10 12:01:30 <Merridew>	Filling the higher ranks with more members who deserves to keep the leadership more active.
Oct 10 12:01:34 <KilleR>	Ok silence
Oct 10 12:01:46 <KilleR>	Next topic more active leaders
Oct 10 12:01:57 <KaReemFTW>	^
Oct 10 12:01:58 <KilleR>	Who wants to talk
Oct 10 12:02:13 <KilleR>	Price[SAPD]:
Oct 10 12:02:14 <Rusty>	Specifically which ranks are we talking about?
Oct 10 12:02:24 <Chip>	Was about to ask that
Oct 10 12:02:26 <Masterr>	SGT+ would be good to host more trainings
Oct 10 12:02:28 <Timtso>	High ranks, DCMD+
Oct 10 12:02:31 <Masterr>	Cause i only see unofficial trainings these days
Oct 10 12:02:32 <KilleR>	From ins-cmd
Oct 10 12:02:42 <KaReemFTW>	I want to say something
Oct 10 12:02:45 <KilleR>	Master please
Oct 10 12:02:52 <KilleR>	Kareem go on
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Oct 10 12:03:42 <KilleR>	KaReemFTW...
Oct 10 12:03:54 <KaReemFTW>	When we look at the roster starting from DCMD+, you will see many inactive leaders (saiven, thegame and kagi, Gamer maybe semi-active and same goes for Tim)
Oct 10 12:04:13 <Timtso>	Actually, I'm an adviser
Oct 10 12:04:21 <Merridew>	Gamer is not semi active
Oct 10 12:04:26 <Timtso>	Not really a field leader
Oct 10 12:04:38 <KilleR>	Guys let the guy finish
Oct 10 12:04:40 <KaReemFTW>	from INS to SID I think we are active enough but we are few.
Oct 10 12:04:59 <Merridew>	^
Oct 10 12:05:03 <KilleR>	I'll take the floor after Kareem
Oct 10 12:05:24 <Price[SAPD]>	I say we sort out CON and OFC first then it should have an adverse effect on the higher ranks
Oct 10 12:05:35 <KaReemFTW>	So we want to discuss how to make the leadership more active.
Oct 10 12:05:47 <KaReemFTW>	I will see others opinions
Oct 10 12:05:48 <Hercules>	^
Oct 10 12:05:54 <Chip>	May i talk?
Oct 10 12:05:57 <KaReemFTW>	Finished. Go on kil1eR
Oct 10 12:06:02 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 12:06:13 <KilleR>	From ins to sid
Oct 10 12:07:02 <KilleR>	There 4 of us who are active
Oct 10 12:07:10 <KaReemFTW>	brb, going to pray.
Oct 10 12:07:12 <KilleR>	From DCMD to chf
Oct 10 12:07:19 <KilleR>	There are
Oct 10 12:08:02 <KilleR>	3/8 who are active
Oct 10 12:08:12 <KilleR>	So this is what I got on mind
Oct 10 12:08:37 <KilleR>	Promoting 2 Ins- sid to DCMD
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Oct 10 12:09:21 <KilleR>	And demoting the inactive DCMD +
Oct 10 12:09:26 <KilleR>	Or move them to vets
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Oct 10 12:09:36 <Hercules>	^
Oct 10 12:09:59 <Chip>	If I may talk, Moving them to VETS would be a better solution
Oct 10 12:10:01 <KilleR>	Finished
Oct 10 12:10:11 <KilleR>	Now wait
Oct 10 12:10:12 <Merridew>	So leaders, your turn
Oct 10 12:10:16 <Chique>	Yeah got the point ajay
Oct 10 12:10:23 <Chique>	Already *
Oct 10 12:10:27 <KilleR>	Wait
Oct 10 12:10:31 <Price[SAPD]>	My thoughts exactly
Oct 10 12:10:31 <Chique>	We will take action
Oct 10 12:10:49 <KilleR>	Let me see who said he wants to talk first
Oct 10 12:10:58 <Chique>	No one
Oct 10 12:10:59 <KilleR>	Chip
Oct 10 12:11:01 <KilleR>	Speak
Oct 10 12:11:06 <Chique>	Nvm
Oct 10 12:11:12 <External>	perm.to talk
Oct 10 12:11:13 <Chip>	Sure, Thanks for noticing :D
Oct 10 12:11:22 <Coffee>	guys , i have a lesson now guys can someone send me logs after i come?
Oct 10 12:11:29 <Rusty>	sure
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Oct 10 12:11:36 <Chip>	I just wanted to say that before doing any promoting/demoting you should consider the real life occupations of the players
Oct 10 12:11:53 <Chip>	You don't know if they got enough free time to lead or not
Oct 10 12:12:05 <Chique>	Right
Oct 10 12:12:10 <Hercules>	Rifht
Oct 10 12:12:16 <Hercules>	Right**
Oct 10 12:12:28 <Price[SAPD]>	We're always very precautious in that regard Chip
Oct 10 12:12:28 <External>
Oct 10 12:12:35 <Masterr>	And consider those nolifers too ^^
Oct 10 12:12:41 <KaReemFTW>	back
Oct 10 12:12:48 <Chip>	I just wanted to point out to that because as i see most of us are egyptians
Oct 10 12:12:51 <Hercules>	Wb
Oct 10 12:12:57 <KilleR>	If they don't have enough time
Oct 10 12:12:58 <Chip>	and most of us has to study hard
Oct 10 12:13:07 <KilleR>	They should move to vet
Oct 10 12:13:14 <Chique>	Very honest point chip
Oct 10 12:13:23 <Price[SAPD]>	Or leave lol
Oct 10 12:13:45 <Chip>	I've finished, Thank you
Oct 10 12:13:57 <KilleR>	Alright
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Oct 10 12:14:20 <KilleR>	Anyone has any other points in this topic?
Oct 10 12:14:40 <Merridew>	No
Oct 10 12:14:45 <Rusty>	I have a question
Oct 10 12:14:46 <Merridew>	Chique will take actions
Oct 10 12:14:51 <KilleR>	Go on
Oct 10 12:15:00 <Price[SAPD]>	Yes but I'd like to take it up with CMD+ later on
Oct 10 12:15:01 <Rusty>	How many are we promoting again, and to which ranks? I missed most of it, had to use restroom
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Oct 10 12:15:51 <Price[SAPD]>	We're not necessarily promoting/demoting, rather shoving inactives into VET rank
Oct 10 12:16:08 <Rusty>	One more thing I've been thinking abot
Oct 10 12:16:09 <Rusty>	about*
Oct 10 12:16:42 <Rusty>	Staff has an effective way of dealing with perpetually inactive members, they give them the rank of Inactive Staff on the forum which has almost no rights
Oct 10 12:17:01 <Rusty>	Could we create an "Inactive Officer" rank which would have the rights of RCT or something?
Oct 10 12:17:23 <KilleR>	Inactive
Oct 10 12:17:29 <KilleR>	Leader
Oct 10 12:17:40 <KilleR>	Would get perks or sid?
Oct 10 12:17:52 <Rusty>	or maybe Inactive Member which would encompass all ranks
Oct 10 12:17:56 <Rusty>	idk
Oct 10 12:17:58 <Rusty>	just an idea
Oct 10 12:18:00 <Infernuz>	SGT perks
Oct 10 12:18:05 <KaReemFTW>	I think that this won't work here rusty :o
Oct 10 12:18:09 <Infernuz>	my opinion
Oct 10 12:18:10 <KilleR>	Taken into notes
Oct 10 12:18:18 <KilleR>	Would be discussed
Oct 10 12:18:20 <Price[SAPD]>	I think it's more, if you're going to be inactive for months at a time you should just leave or request VET rank
Oct 10 12:18:28 <Hulk_>	perm to talk
Oct 10 12:18:33 <KilleR>	Denied
Oct 10 12:18:34 <Timtso>	I agree with Price
Oct 10 12:18:50 <KilleR>	That's what I said
Oct 10 12:19:00 <KilleR>	The ones who are inactive
Oct 10 12:19:12 <KilleR>	Without notice and been here for a hell lot of time
Oct 10 12:19:16 <KilleR>	Would get vet
Oct 10 12:19:24 <Chique>	Why are we repeating points :-|
Oct 10 12:19:29 <Price[SAPD]>	Others you just kick
Oct 10 12:19:37 <Chique>	Anything left?
Oct 10 12:19:39 <Hulk_>	perm to talk about inactivity
Oct 10 12:19:40 <KilleR>	Nope
Oct 10 12:19:47 <Hercules>	Perm to talk
Oct 10 12:19:50 <Chique>	Again about same thing?
Oct 10 12:19:51 <External>	perm.to talk
Oct 10 12:19:59 <KilleR>	Hulk go on
Oct 10 12:20:21 <Hulk_>	ok we can do 2 rank informed inactive and we have logs to tell us his ex rank
Oct 10 12:20:30 <Hulk_>	and not informed inactivity
Oct 10 12:20:53 <Hulk_>	and if somebody is inactive for 1 month + without informing he can get kicked / demoted
Oct 10 12:21:00 <Hulk_>	finished
Oct 10 12:21:09 <Infernuz>	[19:17] <+Hulk_> and if somebody is inactive for 1 month + without informing he can get kicked / demoted
Oct 10 12:21:13 <Infernuz>	that already excists
Oct 10 12:21:25 <Price[SAPD]>	Nope, waste of space and time. If you're going to leave at the drop of a hat, you should be kicked at the drop of one too
Oct 10 12:21:25 <Hulk_>	i mean we do a rank for them
Oct 10 12:22:14 <Chique>	1 month of inactivity is a kick
Oct 10 12:22:21 <Hulk_>	i am just suggesting and if you want ok if you dont want its ok too
Oct 10 12:22:24 <Chique>	As per rules of official groups
Oct 10 12:23:01 <Hercules>	Perm to talk ?
Oct 10 12:23:14 <Price[SAPD]>	That's why we face the current problem now is because no one has been officially kicked in god knows how long
Oct 10 12:23:17 <Chique>	About?
Oct 10 12:23:25 <Chique>	Wrong
Oct 10 12:23:36 <Hercules>	Inactove leaders..
Oct 10 12:23:36 <Chique>	Check logs
Oct 10 12:23:42 <Hercules>	Wrong
Oct 10 12:23:48 <Chique>	Hercules we talked
Oct 10 12:23:58 <Chique>	Scroll up
Oct 10 12:24:01 <KaReemFTW>	brb eating
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Oct 10 12:24:26 <Hercules>	K sry i was Need to say smth np
Oct 10 12:24:27 <External>	chique i think OTI bagde must be removed from nero
Oct 10 12:24:42 <External>	sorry for talking without perm
Oct 10 12:24:51 <Chique>	Is it still there?
Oct 10 12:25:00 <External>	yes
Oct 10 12:25:03 <Chique>	Sorry then he isn't OTI anymore
Oct 10 12:25:05 <Chip>	Didn't we already pass that OTI topic?
Oct 10 12:25:22 <Chique>	Exter
Oct 10 12:25:30 <Chique>	Reported a bug
Oct 10 12:25:31 <Merridew>	Lets move to the next topic?
Oct 10 12:25:37 <Chique>	Not the topic
Oct 10 12:25:42 <Chique>	Yes please
Oct 10 12:25:48 <External>	cya guys
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Oct 10 12:26:19 <Price[SAPD]>	Is Rusty still here, if I may?
Oct 10 12:26:29 <Merridew>	Base related stuff
Oct 10 12:26:38 <Rusty>	Yep
Oct 10 12:26:40 <Merridew>	New base, spawners etc
Oct 10 12:26:47 <KilleR>	Ok silence
Oct 10 12:26:53 <Price[SAPD]>	Been over that Merridew
Oct 10 12:27:12 <KilleR>	Topic is base/spawners
Oct 10 12:27:18 <KilleR>	Who wants to talk
Oct 10 12:27:21 <Merridew>	Me
Oct 10 12:27:22 <RedDrifter>	I do
Oct 10 12:27:24 <Hulk_>	perm to talk
Oct 10 12:27:30 <Chique>	Base first
Oct 10 12:27:40 <Price[SAPD]>	Chiques been over this already..
Oct 10 12:27:41 <RedDrifter>	^ can I go first
Oct 10 12:27:49 <Chique>	Go
Oct 10 12:27:52 <Infernuz>	gotta go off, will read the logs later
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Oct 10 12:28:06 <Chique>	Note: can't change within next month though
Oct 10 12:28:12 <Spawlz>	perm to talk ?
Oct 10 12:28:22 <Hulk_>	perm to talk if red isn't talking :D
Oct 10 12:28:23 <Chique>	No red talks
Oct 10 12:28:53 <RedDrifter>	Well we have two interiors and one of them is completely useless, I have no idea why it was even added and was thinking maybe we should get a base update, i'll try and map one if you can please tell me the object limit.
Oct 10 12:29:26 *	Om (Elite12209@cit-6AAA26D2.elitebnc.org) has left
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Oct 10 12:29:36 <Merridew>	60 objects
Oct 10 12:29:51 <RedDrifter>	THe useles interior is the ammunation store interior that we have on the top left side of our base
Oct 10 12:30:32 *	NeVeRDiE (neverdie@cit-68F5B287.yourbnc.co.uk) has joined
Oct 10 12:30:46 <Hulk_>	kick neverDie
Oct 10 12:30:47 <Merridew>	Chique do you agree?
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Oct 10 12:31:57 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 12:32:16 <KilleR>	Chique had taken it to his note book
Oct 10 12:32:38 <KilleR>	Any other points for the base?
Oct 10 12:32:52 <Price[SAPD]>	Nope
Oct 10 12:32:52 <Hulk_>	nope
Oct 10 12:32:57 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 12:33:00 <KilleR>	Spawners
Oct 10 12:33:08 <Hulk_>	perm to talk
Oct 10 12:33:15 <KilleR>	Granted
Oct 10 12:33:33 <Hulk_>	well i dont know why you dont want to add rustlers to our spawner
Oct 10 12:33:40 <Hulk_>	car spawners are perfect
Oct 10 12:33:53 <Merridew>	Because we are government
Oct 10 12:34:01 <Merridew>	Brian refused
Oct 10 12:34:05 <Hulk_>	rustler is going to be awesome if we want to make an air patrol
Oct 10 12:34:11 <Hulk_>	mmm its brain then
Oct 10 12:34:17 <KilleR>	We will add news chopper
Oct 10 12:34:17 <Hulk_>	ok finished
Oct 10 12:34:21 <Hercules>	Perm to talk ?
Oct 10 12:34:22 *	Turism0_offline is now known as Turism0
Oct 10 12:34:23 <ArroW>	perm to talk?
Oct 10 12:34:25 <Merridew>	Permission to talk?
Oct 10 12:34:28 <Price[SAPD]>	Adding plane spawners is impractical as there's nowhere to put them and take off
Oct 10 12:34:35 <KilleR>	Arrow go ahead
Oct 10 12:34:42 <Hulk_>	we have the hangar @ price
Oct 10 12:34:43 <Chique>	Price hangar
Oct 10 12:34:45 <Spawlz>	perm to suggest ?
Oct 10 12:34:47 <KilleR>	Price we have plane spawners
Oct 10 12:34:54 <KilleR>	Arrow go ahead
Oct 10 12:35:21 *	xProSoul (xProSoul@9D01CF55.4AE31DA8.66FCB4E9.IP) has joined
Oct 10 12:35:23 <Chique>	Police SF, news chopper will be added.
Oct 10 12:35:25 <ArroW>	see as I discused with gamer, we saw that almost every green group has rustler even DT which is L2
Oct 10 12:35:29 *	KilleR has kicked xProSoul from #sapd (KilleR)
Oct 10 12:35:45 <Chique>	Only FBI and SAPD doesn't have right?
Oct 10 12:35:50 <Masterr>	+
Oct 10 12:35:55 <Chique>	Someone can confirm this?
Oct 10 12:35:56 <Hulk_>	yea i think chique
Oct 10 12:35:57 <ArroW>	exactly
Oct 10 12:35:58 <KilleR>	Yes
Oct 10 12:36:04 <Hercules>	Perm to talk ?
Oct 10 12:36:12 <ArroW>	FBI and SAPD are the grey ones
Oct 10 12:36:14 <Chique>	If true will add rustlers
Oct 10 12:36:16 <Hulk_>	because we are government @ chique
Oct 10 12:36:16 <KilleR>	Brain Is racist doesn't like black tags
Oct 10 12:36:24 *	KaReemFTW gives voice to Om
Oct 10 12:36:29 <ArroW>	that is the reason as we are considered the government
Oct 10 12:36:44 <KilleR>	Alright arrow noted
Oct 10 12:37:02 <Chique>	No problem will change name to San Andreas military department
Oct 10 12:37:08 <KaReemFTW>	gg
Oct 10 12:37:10 <Chique>	If that is what Brian wants
Oct 10 12:37:12 <Masterr>	o.o
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Oct 10 12:37:16 <KilleR>	Merridew: talk
Oct 10 12:37:21 <Rusty>	Om = iOmlet?
Oct 10 12:37:21 <Chique>	Name of the group not quality
Oct 10 12:37:25 <Masterr>	ye
Oct 10 12:37:27 <ArroW>	yes
Oct 10 12:37:27 <Om>	yes
Oct 10 12:37:28 <KilleR>	Ye
Oct 10 12:37:30 <Chique>	Yes
Oct 10 12:37:31 <Spawlz>	ye
Oct 10 12:37:36 <KilleR>	OK
Oct 10 12:37:36 -ChanServ-	Om added to #SAPD access list at level 3.
Oct 10 12:37:37 <ArroW>	spam
Oct 10 12:37:41 <Om>	oh i got voice, didn't noticed.
Oct 10 12:37:46 <KilleR>	Merridew: talk
Oct 10 12:37:48 <Chique>	Hercules go
Oct 10 12:37:57 <Merridew>	Brian offered us to replace the FBITruck with the SWATTank
Oct 10 12:38:11 <Merridew>	Do you guys agree? Especially when noone uses it
Oct 10 12:38:15 <Hercules>	About Cars We need Cars like Bullet and More
Oct 10 12:38:23 <Hulk_>	swat tank is useless
Oct 10 12:38:31 <ArroW>	^
Oct 10 12:38:39 <RedDrifter>	I do not agree the SWAT tank is useless and slow
Oct 10 12:38:40 <Hulk_>	fBI turck = fast and dont get damaged
Oct 10 12:38:48 <Hercules>	We only have 1 fast car
Oct 10 12:38:56 <Masterr>	Cheetah
Oct 10 12:38:57 <Hulk_>	swat tank wheels are well seen any body can blow the 4 tires
Oct 10 12:39:05 <Chique>	FBI truck is better than swat tanks
Oct 10 12:39:06 <Hercules>	Hulk pls
Oct 10 12:39:06 -ChanServ-	ToxiK added to #SAPD access list at level 3.
Oct 10 12:39:06 *	Banana gives voice to ToxiK
Oct 10 12:39:13 <Merridew>	K chiq
Oct 10 12:39:13 <Hulk_>	sorry
Oct 10 12:39:17 <Spawlz>	yes FBI truck better , and cheetah is enough
Oct 10 12:39:22 <Chique>	Ask those who use swat tanks
Oct 10 12:39:34 <Chique>	Cheetah is better than bullet
Oct 10 12:39:49 <Hercules>	I dont mean that
Oct 10 12:39:50 <Price[SAPD]>	Can we please not turn this into 'Whats better, SWAT tank or FBI Truck'
Oct 10 12:39:51 <Chique>	Police SF will work as sultan
Oct 10 12:39:53 <Masterr>	Better handling @Cheetah
Oct 10 12:39:56 <ArroW>	I want to continue on this point of spawner that we dont have much vehicless too as compared to other official groups.
Oct 10 12:40:24 <Hercules>	I mean we need 2 fast car Not One understand me ??
Oct 10 12:40:28 <Chique>	Arrow focus on 'what do you need' than what others got
Oct 10 12:40:42 <KilleR>	That
Oct 10 12:40:45 <Chique>	Explain why Hercules
Oct 10 12:40:45 <Om>	perm to ask which topic we're talking about?
Oct 10 12:40:52 <Chique>	No om
Oct 10 12:40:53 <KilleR>	Spawners
Oct 10 12:40:55 <ArroW>	we need all those things which other people got chique
Oct 10 12:40:56 <Chique>	Read yourself
Oct 10 12:41:01 <Om>	Ok
Oct 10 12:41:05 <Chique>	Why arrow?
Oct 10 12:41:06 <ArroW>	and it is a bit unfair too
Oct 10 12:41:13 <Spawlz>	we're talking about or spawners in base @om
Oct 10 12:41:13 <Hercules>	Cuz we Are SAPD Must be have many Things
Oct 10 12:41:25 <Chique>	Lol why?
Oct 10 12:41:35 <Spawlz>	our*
Oct 10 12:41:35 <Chique>	Immatured behavior
Oct 10 12:41:59 <Chique>	You can do  same work with cheetah, cheetah is better than bullet...
Oct 10 12:42:04 <KilleR>	Let me explain
Oct 10 12:42:08 <Chique>	We don't need to show off
Oct 10 12:42:10 <Masterr>	I agree that Cheetah is better than any other car but it's not fast enough sometimes
Oct 10 12:42:13 <ArroW>	being L3 official as others why cant we have them, they are important for several things like rustler is good for airstike, we dont have it
Oct 10 12:42:19 <Chique>	That we have 100 cars
Oct 10 12:42:21 <ArroW>	and hydra too
Oct 10 12:42:25 <KilleR>	Here's the difference between af and sapd
Oct 10 12:42:36 <ArroW>	AF and all those gren can shoot using it
Oct 10 12:42:36 <Om>	imo, we don't need hydra. @Arrow
Oct 10 12:42:40 <Chique>	No
Oct 10 12:42:43 <KilleR>	if af had it hunter removed
Oct 10 12:42:50 <RedDrifter>	Can I say something about what ArroW said?
Oct 10 12:42:52 <KilleR>	Lots of members will leave
Oct 10 12:42:52 <Chique>	Arrow you sleeping?
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Oct 10 12:43:07 <Chique>	I said we will have rustler
Oct 10 12:43:10 <KilleR>	If sapd had their as removed
Oct 10 12:43:14 <KilleR>	No one will leave
Oct 10 12:43:15 <Chique>	If only FBI and us don't have
Oct 10 12:43:23 <KilleR>	Cause we're known for team work
Oct 10 12:43:34 *	Price[SAPD] (webirc@C0C2D053.360EBB14.69B750D1.IP) has joined
Oct 10 12:43:43 <KilleR>	Prepare for samd tags (Joke)
Oct 10 12:43:46 <Spawlz>	remember : rustler has rules @chique
Oct 10 12:43:48 <RedDrifter>	Lemme just say that I was in ArmedForces for 8 months and we didn't even use all these cars from our spawners, so it would be just a waste of money to add them (sorry for not asking for permission)
Oct 10 12:43:49 <Hulk_>	guys even if SAPD dont have 1 spawner we wont leave there is something called loyalty i dont think anybody joined for the spawner
Oct 10 12:43:58 <Chique>	We have made the rules
Oct 10 12:44:25 <Chique>	Money isn't any problem
Oct 10 12:44:40 <KilleR>	260mill
Oct 10 12:44:44 <RedDrifter>	I know it isn't, but it would be a waste of money if we spent it on things that we didn't even need
Oct 10 12:44:46 <Chique>	But we aren't noobs, we will get only what we need
Oct 10 12:44:51 <Hulk_>	price needs voice
Oct 10 12:44:52 <KaReemFTW>	say thanks to rademes
Oct 10 12:44:57 *	KaReemFTW gives voice to Price[SAPD]
Oct 10 12:44:58 <Merridew>	I said SWAT Tank because we can spawn FBi truck from FBi base anyway, yo guys never used it
Oct 10 12:45:00 <Merridew>	Nvm
Oct 10 12:45:12 <Price[SAPD]>	We have a suggestion thread, please use it and let's drop this for now
Oct 10 12:45:23 <KaReemFTW>	I agree with price
Oct 10 12:45:31 <KilleR>	No
Oct 10 12:45:45 <KilleR>	Then what's the point of the meeting price go sleep
Oct 10 12:45:45 <ArroW>	^
Oct 10 12:45:49 <Chique>	Police SF, rustler, news chopper
Oct 10 12:45:54 <KilleR>	And
Oct 10 12:45:58 <KilleR>	Securir
Oct 10 12:46:09 <Hercules>	Ruslter ?
Oct 10 12:46:11 <Chique>	Yea armor got it
Oct 10 12:46:12 <KilleR>	Securier
Oct 10 12:46:17 <Hercules>	Lt**
Oct 10 12:46:23 <Price[SAPD]>	It's better to make suggestions on a thread then argue on IRC for half an hour about wanting a damn rustler
Oct 10 12:46:23 <Chique>	Securicar
Oct 10 12:46:25 <ArroW>	yeah news chopper is what we need, it is a perfect heli for transportation with a numer of people
Oct 10 12:46:35 <Chique>	What Hercules?
Oct 10 12:46:40 <Spawlz>	perm to suggest ?
Oct 10 12:46:52 <Hercules>	How ruslter ??
Oct 10 12:46:53 <Chique>	Yes
Oct 10 12:46:58 <Hercules>	Can we ??
Oct 10 12:47:01 <KilleR>	Look
Oct 10 12:47:05 <KilleR>	NOTE
Oct 10 12:47:14 <Chique>	I don't one I'll talk to Brian Hercules
Oct 10 12:47:17 <KilleR>	LEAVE THE HOW AND WHAT FOR HIGH RANKED MEMBERS
Oct 10 12:47:20 <Chique>	Know *
Oct 10 12:47:26 <Chique>	^
Oct 10 12:47:40 <KilleR>	So
Oct 10 12:47:45 <Price[SAPD]>	Let's move on for now, please.
Oct 10 12:47:47 <KilleR>	Here are the vehicles
Oct 10 12:47:57 <Chique>	You just suggest tell us what you need
Oct 10 12:48:03 <KilleR>	Sexuir rustled news chopper police sf
Oct 10 12:48:11 <Chique>	Lolwat
Oct 10 12:48:13 <KilleR>	Next topic
Oct 10 12:48:16 <Hulk_>	guys can i talk about something not a in the meeting ??
Oct 10 12:48:24 <KilleR>	No you can't
Oct 10 12:48:25 <Chique>	Yes?
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Oct 10 12:48:33 <Chique>	Let him
Oct 10 12:48:37 <Chique>	Fast
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Oct 10 12:49:10 <Hulk_>	if we can talk about a new promotion system like FBI one or we can do our own promotion system  PS : if you want  i <3 the old system anyway
Oct 10 12:49:10 <KilleR>	Ok
Oct 10 12:49:22 <KilleR>	No new promotion system
Oct 10 12:49:24 <KilleR>	Defiantly not
Oct 10 12:49:26 <Hulk_>	ok
Oct 10 12:49:26 <KaReemFTW>	Our system is the best
Oct 10 12:49:33 <Chique>	No thanks
Oct 10 12:49:35 <ArroW>	^
Oct 10 12:49:37 <Hulk_>	ik our system is good
Oct 10 12:49:39 <KaReemFTW>	SAPD always worked like this
Oct 10 12:49:42 <Chique>	Other groups copy everything we made.
Oct 10 12:49:47 <KilleR>	Alright
Oct 10 12:49:51 <KaReemFTW>	^^ chique
Oct 10 12:49:52 <Price[SAPD]>	Hulk go join FBI then lol
Oct 10 12:49:55 <Chique>	You ask yourself why
Oct 10 12:50:03 <KilleR>	Skins is next
Oct 10 12:50:10 <ArroW>	10-4
Oct 10 12:50:15 <Hulk_>	nooo i am in SAPD forever nab price
Oct 10 12:50:17 <KilleR>	Chique will post the new skins on forum tommorw
Oct 10 12:50:21 <Price[SAPD]>	Skins has been discussed
Oct 10 12:50:26 <KilleR>	So nothing yo be discussed I guess
Oct 10 12:50:26 <Chique>	Roster, promotion, base, website, ranks
Oct 10 12:50:46 <KilleR>	That will be the end of the meeting I guess
Oct 10 12:50:55 <KilleR>	Any other points?
Oct 10 12:50:57 <Hulk_>	nice meeting :D
Oct 10 12:51:11 <KilleR>	No?
Oct 10 12:51:14 <Rusty>	I got nothin'
Oct 10 12:51:15 <KaReemFTW>	I guess we talked in everything needed
Oct 10 12:51:19 <KilleR>	Meeting ended
Oct 10 12:51:23 <Hulk_>	same as rusty
Oct 10 12:51:23 <KilleR>	Thanks for joining
Oct 10 12:51:24 <KaReemFTW>	Dismissed