CndyCrnRhino1:37 AM

hate to break it to you but shiv isn't going to just lay down and call it quits and surrender, she's going down with a fight, so if you expect me to just lay down like a limp noodle you're vastly disappointed. no offense, its her character.
she then offers an orcish resolution to this and is refused so i dont know what you want me to do.
RAWRberto1:39 AM

I understand. I'm not opposed to that. But ICly Kurg's isn't going to trust your advances, no matter what is said.
You're a criminal, who cheated in an honor battle, he's not going to give you our honorable resolution
CndyCrnRhino1:40 AM

then this is a stalemate.
RAWRberto1:40 AM

Prolly
CndyCrnRhino1:42 AM

then ill let you figure out a solution to this because you know shiv's intentions then.
RAWRberto1:42 AM

right, s'why I asked about IC injuries being permittable
CndyCrnRhino1:42 AM

that pertains to nothing in terms of actual story progression.
hell ill accept injuries in any dang fight.
RAWRberto1:43 AM

He's not going to give you the IC duel though xD Your toon has been proven nothing but deceitful/criminalistic
basically they're not negotiating with terrorists lol
CndyCrnRhino1:45 AM

shes not a terrorist if the ironworg come after her in initiation. shes defending herself from this.
RAWRberto1:45 AM

she's a criminal
CndyCrnRhino1:45 AM

criminals sometimes down just bend over and give up.
RAWRberto1:45 AM

Not an inoccent marry sue
CndyCrnRhino1:45 AM

dont*
RAWRberto1:45 AM

I know
but it wouldn't make her in the right
CndyCrnRhino1:46 AM

she isnt in the right, but its also breaking character if you expect her to just lay down.
RAWRberto1:46 AM

I'm not expecting her to
CndyCrnRhino1:46 AM

so then what are you expecting.
RAWRberto1:46 AM

not easily super easily at least
CndyCrnRhino1:47 AM

because if youre not surprised to how shiv is then idk what the issue is.
RAWRberto1:47 AM

There is none!!! Well, Pardak a lil
Dude's not fun to RP with
CndyCrnRhino1:48 AM

shes not asking for pardaks help.
RAWRberto1:50 AM

there isn't progression to be had with Pardak
He is exiled from our clan, so we are only allowed to give him the honor of ignoring him
And all he does is ICly run his mouth trying to break us from that
CndyCrnRhino1:50 AM

what pardak does is his own thing. shiv isnt asking for his help, as she sees this is -her- problem and -shes- dealing with it accordingly.
RAWRberto1:50 AM

but it's not how exile works
I  just don't see there being progression with pardak's toon
CndyCrnRhino1:51 AM

exiling someone from a clan doesn't stop them from being in physical vicinity within a city.
RAWRberto1:51 AM

No it doesn't
but he won't ever get any interaction with us
He's more or less ICly on /ignore
So all he's doing is running his mouth to OOCly and/or ICly be annoying
which isn't progression
CndyCrnRhino1:52 AM

he has the right to say whatever he wants icly.
even if its wrong.
RAWRberto1:52 AM

yes but it's not going to illcit any progression
CndyCrnRhino1:52 AM

its I.C.
RAWRberto1:52 AM

that's why we're not caring to RP it out
it's a mute point when it comes to exiles
CndyCrnRhino1:54 AM

well all things considered, you know shiv's intentions, thats on you to figure out now, not her anymore.
and ive stated ill accept whatever happens.
within reason of not breaking character.
in reality she wouldve sold off the items in a heartbeat but i hadnt because im waiting for retribution for them as plot hooks.
RAWRberto1:57 AM

they can and would help you to have
CndyCrnRhino1:58 AM

but for now shes just going to carry on with herself given her offer at a chance to get them back fairly was denied, so its up to you now.
RAWRberto2:19 AM

well that was a !@#$ show
CndyCrnRhino2:19 AM

?
RAWRberto2:19 AM

I told him if he wants to be ICly unfriendly with me then he needs to communicate OOCly
CndyCrnRhino2:20 AM

honestly. if you want to talk out plot story, then its fine to talk oocly. but to take ic into ooc is immediate no-no.
RAWRberto2:20 AM

IC and OOC has a balance.
You gotta be able to communicate OOCly when having IC
which wasnt happening between us
and hasnt since the honor battle
and that honor battle marked when he became nothing to us ICly
CndyCrnRhino2:22 AM

not everyone functions that way. some people will accept everything icly that happens, some people rather plot out oocly before hand. you cant expect everyone to be the same, have you said at least you want to talk out things first oocly?
me im more of a "if it happens, it happens on the fly" kind of rper.
its more immersive.
RAWRberto2:22 AM

Yes, but in it's current motion, doesn't seem likely with him
I am a GM
if he wants progressive RP where he's an enemy
especially seeing as he ICly blacklisted
he is going to have to talk to me
OOCly
CndyCrnRhino2:24 AM

I think the issue was you wouldnt accept any ic interactions without beforehand stating anything oocly. he had no idea.
RAWRberto2:24 AM

it's not the same being a GM and a single player
Single players are going to be much more free to accept all RP regardless of OOC interactions
CndyCrnRhino2:24 AM

and tbh i would be frustrated as well if my ic attempts were disregarded without any feedback
RAWRberto2:25 AM

Do you mean to say that is how Pardak feels?
Or myself?
CndyCrnRhino2:26 AM

what pardak feels. he seems to be the "just let it happen ic" type and was given zero feedback oocly of anything.
what shouldve been done is before anything talk oocly of setting ground rules, which idk if you did any
so when things happen ic and it goes into ooc its a bit of a red flag.
RAWRberto2:26 AM

No his character is done with being acknowledged by us
Yea you're telling me
I gota whole guild to run
CndyCrnRhino2:27 AM

thats fine. but it doesn't -icly- stop his character from attempting to harrass or do whatever.
RAWRberto2:27 AM

It's my responsibility not to partake in such shizz
CndyCrnRhino2:27 AM

thats called consequence.
RAWRberto2:27 AM

Yes but look how I have been with you
I asked you last night, exactly what our clan ICly wants
and if it was ok
CndyCrnRhino2:28 AM

you only asked if i was okay with getting injured
which is just a broad statement as i said "whatever happens, happens."
meaning just let rp dictate what happens.
RAWRberto2:28 AM

suggesting strongly that you're open to all RP
CndyCrnRhino2:28 AM

yes. so that means working within the boundries of how each character icly behaves.
RAWRberto2:28 AM

I really don't think it's worth arguing the semantics
I have the right to desire OOC communication
CndyCrnRhino2:29 AM

and ive said im open to whatever happens, happens.
RAWRberto2:29 AM

We have been great with one another ICly
CndyCrnRhino2:29 AM

if shiv gets away scott free, it happens, if shiv gets her !@#$ kicked in and is capture, that can happen too.
RAWRberto2:29 AM

Pardak and I don't have that OOC understanding rn
CndyCrnRhino2:30 AM

what im saying is you want certain things to happen, i said it -can- happen, its a matter of if it -will- happen in live rp. which im not against. open book.
RAWRberto2:30 AM

He can achieve it, by talking to me about whatever progression he intends for
but even when he was in my guild
CndyCrnRhino2:30 AM

so you can act within your own means and ill work around it.
RAWRberto2:30 AM

I had to give him several OOC warnings for toxic behavior
I have a right for him to OOCly communicate with me and say "hey look pardak just wants to trash talk you"
or "hey look, pardak wants revenge"
and if so, how so
obviously he cannot simply ICly set his eyes on seeing our clans death or something without real OOC com.
lol this wasn't supposed to happen but gotta work with it now
CndyCrnRhino2:37 AM

¯(o_º)/¯
RAWRberto2:37 AM

Him and I are not going to make effective IC enemies without OOC understanding at this rate
not healthy to be IC and OOC enemies
CndyCrnRhino2:38 AM

thats for you and him to deal with.
RAWRberto2:38 AM

Well as of now, not likely
I apologize, I understand he's your friend
CndyCrnRhino2:39 AM

tbh i just want to rp lol
im anti-social.
RAWRberto2:39 AM

we all are
If I just allowed every IC enemy to be my IC enemy without OOC disucssions, I would literally never not be stuck in an RP with some enemy like that
I'm a GM, which means people get OOC upset with me and take it IC
The OOC part is 10000% essential for me
CndyCrnRhino2:41 AM

it happens. i rp a sethrak in the alliance. she was harrassed -daily-, and i accept its consequences.
RAWRberto2:41 AM

I cannot do that.
Not always
I have to recruit
organize events
manage public relations
run RP trials
reward and discipline members
CndyCrnRhino2:41 AM

then maybe focus more with your members than random walk ups.
RAWRberto2:42 AM

manage websites
I literally don't walk up to people unless im recruiting them
CndyCrnRhino2:42 AM

i know guilds that clearly only rp within themselves and come to cities just to recruit.
..kulgar walked up to shiv.
so.
¯(o_º)/¯
RAWRberto2:42 AM

Yes and I was ok with that, as we talked OOCly
CndyCrnRhino2:46 AM

looking through logs and i didnt see any ooc approach at first so. idk. its redundant now.
RAWRberto2:47 AM

(But we eventually did, which opened way to what we have)
that was established first time we rpd, and has been continued since
I asked you then if you were ok with it
and have periodically
since
CndyCrnRhino2:48 AM

over time, yes, but not upon the first ever interaction, which i didnt mind either way. but again, is redundant.
RAWRberto2:48 AM

you're right