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  1. Reviloja753: whos the TL for it?
  2. [16:54:42] @mxmts: That'd be me
  3. [16:54:47] Reviloja753: cool
  4. [17:00:04] GW8: So when is FlashCAP starting?
  5. [17:00:08] Kadew: flashcap time??
  6. [17:00:14] SizeCrunchNumber: Right now
  7. [17:00:19] @mxmts: It's starting now
  8. [17:00:22] Kadew: flashcap time!!
  9. [17:00:31] @mxmts: Let's hear concepts then
  10. [17:00:36] +atha: there we go
  11. [17:00:43] Neapolitan_Blood: Transform - A CAP that abuses the move Transform to its advantage
  12. [17:00:58] SizeCrunchNumber: Hard Beats- A mon that wallbreaks despite terrible coverage
  13. [17:01:24] Reviloja753: Is there a limit to how many we can submit
  14. [17:01:28] GW8: Topsy-Turvy - A CAP that can utilize Topsy-Turvy to check setup sweepers.
  15. [17:01:50] @mxmts: I'd prefer one sub per person
  16. [17:01:53] Sandshine: Surprise Strategy - A CAP that performs a different role than its stats or abilities might suggest
  17. [17:01:54] Reviloja753: ok
  18. [17:02:03] @mxmts: If you have various, try to pick yout best
  19. [17:02:11] GW8: Okay.
  20. [17:02:12] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont know if i picked my best
  21. [17:02:16] Neapolitan_Blood: but i picked my most interesting
  22. [17:02:57] GW8: Topsy-Turvy is a concept I'm personally intrigued by.
  23. [17:03:12] Neapolitan_Blood: i do want to say
  24. [17:03:14] +atha: topsy turvy is meh
  25. [17:03:16] Neapolitan_Blood: transform can also perform a similar role
  26. [17:03:37] Neapolitan_Blood: worse then ditto for that one part of its purpose though but
  27. [17:03:39] @mxmts: I'm not very sure about it tbh, there aren't that many set up sweepers in the current meta
  28. [17:03:42] SizeCrunchNumber: I've actually tried drafting up something similar. Topsy is really hard to take advantage of
  29. [17:03:44] #snake_rattler: One-Hit Wonder: This CAP has an exceedingly strong move but other moves that do little-to-no damage.
  30. [17:03:45] Trippy Soup: Special Press - A dual typed Fighting mon who has a high SpA and Def stats to be a mixed attacker with Body Press
  31. [17:03:56] Neapolitan_Blood: trippy thats
  32. [17:04:04] @mxmts: too specif
  33. [17:04:15] Zapalidoo: A better berserk mon then drampa or a physical versian
  34. [17:04:21] Reviloja753: Aurumoth 2.0 - A Pokemon that is very high risk, high reward. [This time with an actual process, sorta.]
  35. [17:04:29] @mxmts: *specific, you can't dictate a typing
  36. [17:04:39] Trippy Soup: okay
  37. [17:05:04] Neapolitan_Blood: if that concept were switched to just "a mon that abuses body press"
  38. [17:05:10] Neapolitan_Blood: thats actually pretty interesting honestly
  39. [17:05:23] Reviloja753: Yeah thatd be allowed
  40. [17:05:39] Neapolitan_Blood: if we're not allowed to vote for ourselves i might vote for that
  41. [17:06:09] GW8: Body Press is definitely an interesting move if coupled with Iron Defense.
  42. [17:06:10] Trippy Soup: Special Press: a mon that abuses body press and special move-pool
  43. [17:06:16] Gravity Monkey: Why only toxapex - A mon that abuses merciless
  44. [17:06:20] @mxmts: you are allowed to vote for yourself btw
  45. [17:06:31] #snake_rattler: not sure how much different it'd be than SR Kommo-O in OU
  46. [17:06:38] Neapolitan_Blood: i think ability concepts aren't allowed either
  47. [17:06:42] Neapolitan_Blood: specific ability ones anyway
  48. [17:06:45] Reviloja753: correct
  49. [17:06:48] GW8: Huh. I will be fair in voting for a more realistic concept.
  50. [17:06:55] #snake_rattler: any comments on One-Hit Wonder?
  51. [17:06:55] Neapolitan_Blood: but if anyone wants to submit "a mon that abuses an underutilized ability..."
  52. [17:06:58] Sandshine: Do we just vote for however many concept we think are good?
  53. [17:07:05] Zapalidoo: A better forecast type mon that also abuses sand
  54. [17:07:13] Sandshine: Like regular process?
  55. [17:07:14] Gravity Monkey: hmm all right, ill try to come up with something else
  56. [17:07:16] Reviloja753: Forecast doesnt even work with sand
  57. [17:07:18] Neapolitan_Blood: zap thats
  58. [17:07:29] Neapolitan_Blood: first of all thats ability specific
  59. [17:07:37] Neapolitan_Blood: second of all im 99% sure forecast is hardcoded to castform
  60. [17:07:39] Zapalidoo: A new kind of forecast not the current one
  61. [17:07:42] GW8: I mean, what abilities would be underutilized that aren't banned?
  62. [17:07:48] Reviloja753: Plenty
  63. [17:07:52] Neapolitan_Blood: plenty
  64. [17:07:53] #snake_rattler: all CAP Projects are grounded in GameFreak's mechanics
  65. [17:07:54] Neapolitan_Blood: example: neutralizing gas
  66. [17:07:56] Reviloja753: Underutilized ability was cyclohm's concept
  67. [17:08:06] Neapolitan_Blood: underutilized ability is an old but gold one
  68. [17:08:09] Neapolitan_Blood: its even been repeated for
  69. [17:08:12] Neapolitan_Blood: at least one other flashcap
  70. [17:08:20] Neapolitan_Blood: leaves a lot of room for variety though
  71. [17:08:28] Zapalidoo: Maybe flare boost
  72. [17:08:34] GW8: I like the Body Press one a lot tbh.
  73. [17:08:40] Trippy Soup: One hit wonder would be cool if the move is Technoblast or Multi-Attack :P
  74. [17:08:50] Reviloja753: I thought my auru 2.0 idea was neat.
  75. [17:08:51] Neapolitan_Blood: alright btu i just want to support my case for a mon that abuses transform
  76. [17:08:54] Gravity Monkey: problem is a lot of mon already abuse body press
  77. [17:08:56] Neapolitan_Blood: it could be interesting to have a mon that can work on its own
  78. [17:09:01] Neapolitan_Blood: but also abuse transform to turn into an opposing mon
  79. [17:09:01] #snake_rattler: i like that idea a lot actually Trippy Soup
  80. [17:09:03] GW8: Poop.
  81. [17:09:05] Kadew: More work for the artists - A pokemon with multiple formes that it can make good use of changing bewteen in-battle
  82. [17:09:07] Neapolitan_Blood: like mew if mew actually used transform
  83. [17:09:23] Reviloja753: Form change concept isnt actually allowed iirc
  84. [17:09:29] Kadew: no? darn
  85. [17:09:36] @mxmts: mo its not
  86. [17:09:44] Trippy Soup: Kadew or another Hungry Switch?
  87. [17:10:00] Neapolitan_Blood: form change would imply a custom ability
  88. [17:10:00] Reviloja753: Hunger Switch is hard coded
  89. [17:10:04] Kadew: i was thinking along the lines of zen mode and relic song
  90. [17:10:11] Reviloja753: Hard coded
  91. [17:10:12] Neapolitan_Blood: considering the 3 other possibilities
  92. [17:10:13] Kadew: but yeah that sorta thing. didn't realize it pushed too hard
  93. [17:10:14] Neapolitan_Blood: are all gone or ubers
  94. [17:10:16] #snake_rattler: usual CAP Process doesn't deal with forme changes
  95. [17:10:16] Gravity Monkey: Materialism - Creating a mon that could abuse a somewhat niche item
  96. [17:10:32] GW8: Ooo I like that idea.
  97. [17:10:36] Neapolitan_Blood: shoot
  98. [17:10:36] #snake_rattler: item concepts are rare
  99. [17:10:41] Neapolitan_Blood: do i be the narcissist and go for my own concept
  100. [17:10:44] Neapolitan_Blood: or do i go for niche item abuser
  101. [17:10:50] Reviloja753: but item concepts are allowed yes
  102. [17:10:51] Neapolitan_Blood: i still like the idea of transform mon
  103. [17:10:57] Neapolitan_Blood: one last thing for transform mon
  104. [17:10:58] SizeCrunchNumber: I'm actually voting niche item
  105. [17:10:59] Trippy Soup: which niche item can be abused, though?
  106. [17:11:00] Neapolitan_Blood: just imagine the ART STAGE
  107. [17:11:04] Gravity Monkey: i was thinkin eject pack but like if others have ideas
  108. [17:11:07] Zapalidoo: A pokemon more capable of abusing steel beam
  109. [17:11:14] Sandshine: blunder policy :]
  110. [17:11:24] GW8: Utility Umbrella?
  111. [17:11:34] SizeCrunchNumber: Scope Lens?
  112. [17:11:46] GW8: Might not see much use due to lack of weather, though.
  113. [17:11:47] Trippy Soup: Bluder Policy might work with Defiant
  114. [17:11:54] @mxmts: Alright, does anyone else has any other concept?
  115. [17:11:58] Zapalidoo: Possibly a plus/minus gear up mon
  116. [17:11:59] Neapolitan_Blood: so does like
  117. [17:12:03] Neapolitan_Blood: nobody like the transform concept?
  118. [17:12:09] Zapalidoo: better than klinkklang
  119. [17:12:13] Gravity Monkey: it's fine but like
  120. [17:12:15] Neapolitan_Blood: if my loss is inevitable i just wanna know now
  121. [17:12:18] Gravity Monkey: ditto already exists
  122. [17:12:22] Neapolitan_Blood: nonono
  123. [17:12:24] Neapolitan_Blood: ditto uses imposter
  124. [17:12:28] Neapolitan_Blood: and thats also its only reason for existing
  125. [17:12:28] Trippy Soup: and mew
  126. [17:12:32] Neapolitan_Blood: mew gets transform
  127. [17:12:35] Neapolitan_Blood: but doesn't use it. at all
  128. [17:12:42] Neapolitan_Blood: but yeah thats sort of what i was thinking
  129. [17:12:47] Neapolitan_Blood: mew but if mew could actually abuse transform
  130. [17:12:51] SizeCrunchNumber: Because Transform isn't good. At all.
  131. [17:12:53] #snake_rattler: i'm not sure how useful transform is in singles
  132. [17:13:00] Sandshine: ditto always carries transform :)
  133. [17:13:03] #snake_rattler: unless you're impostering
  134. [17:13:16] +atha: Ok here I am
  135. [17:13:19] SUNmyser: Gravity abuser
  136. [17:13:25] Gravity Monkey: ok
  137. [17:13:28] Neapolitan_Blood: with enough speed there could probably very well be uses for turning into the opponent
  138. [17:13:32] +atha: Gravity is a good idea
  139. [17:13:33] SUNmyser: i suppose
  140. [17:13:38] SUNmyser: (ty atha)
  141. [17:13:40] Neapolitan_Blood: another thing
  142. [17:13:42] GW8: Ooo Gravity would be good to explore.
  143. [17:13:47] Neapolitan_Blood: transform mon could be difficult to be abused as set-up fodder
  144. [17:14:06] +atha: Yeah transform looks hard to use
  145. [17:14:14] Gravity Monkey: i mean, once you transform it's basically a speed tie
  146. [17:14:20] Kadew: I'm interested in the transform concept, but mostly as an artist and bc I love ditto :V
  147. [17:14:27] GW8: Too bad the closest thing associated with Gravity is Orbeetle and Reuniclus. Bronzong as well.
  148. [17:14:34] SUNmyser: where is this going on rn?
  149. [17:14:35] Sandshine: fidgit!
  150. [17:14:39] SUNmyser: are we moving to the discord?
  151. [17:14:41] SUNmyser: forums?
  152. [17:14:42] Reviloja753: no
  153. [17:14:42] +atha: yeah but you transform on a strong mon and it kills you the same turn
  154. [17:14:46] Zapalidoo: I agree with GW8 on gravity
  155. [17:14:50] Neapolitan_Blood: shoot
  156. [17:14:56] SUNmyser: my interest is mainly with gravity increasing accuracy
  157. [17:15:00] Neapolitan_Blood: is it too late to change my submission im actually having second thoughts
  158. [17:15:09] Reviloja753: what was yours?
  159. [17:15:11] Neapolitan_Blood: should've gone with ol' reliable
  160. [17:15:14] Neapolitan_Blood: mine was the transform one
  161. [17:15:14] Trippy Soup: Gravity with Hustle would be interesting
  162. [17:15:17] Sandshine: actually gravity lando was kinda scary
  163. [17:15:17] SUNmyser: so you could, potentially make hustle work better
  164. [17:15:20] Reviloja753: yeah you can change it
  165. [17:15:20] SUNmyser: ^^
  166. [17:15:22] Neapolitan_Blood: but i should've just gone for cyclohm 3 or 4
  167. [17:15:25] Neapolitan_Blood: alright
  168. [17:15:28] Gravity Monkey: maybe you could use gravity to hit flying type checks and stuff
  169. [17:15:42] Neapolitan_Blood: Cyclohm Yet Again : A mon that abuses an underutilized ability.
  170. [17:15:45] Reviloja753: gravity could maybe work?
  171. [17:15:51] Neapolitan_Blood: gravity actually looks cool right now
  172. [17:15:53] Frat Dude: Hello
  173. [17:15:55] Neapolitan_Blood: considering corviknight
  174. [17:15:58] Neapolitan_Blood: and libra
  175. [17:16:01] Frat Dude: anyone up for some games need to test some things
  176. [17:16:10] Reviloja753: we're kinda doin a flash cap
  177. [17:16:15] @mxmts: Last minutes before the poll goes up!
  178. [17:16:20] Neapolitan_Blood: mxmts
  179. [17:16:24] Neapolitan_Blood: was my submission change taken into account
  180. [17:16:26] #snake_rattler: i got you Frat Dude
  181. [17:16:27] Reviloja753: I hope auru 2.0 is chosen
  182. [17:16:34] +atha: Can we sum up the ideas that came u ?
  183. [17:16:35] Zapalidoo: New mirror armour mon
  184. [17:16:41] +atha: I'm lost
  185. [17:16:51] Neapolitan_Blood: i mean i keep trying for my Cyclohm Yet Again but rev lets be honest
  186. [17:16:54] Neapolitan_Blood: the way things are looking
  187. [17:16:59] Neapolitan_Blood: we're getting either gravity or underutilized item
  188. [17:17:08] Reviloja753: you never know
  189. [17:17:10] Sandshine: never give up
  190. [17:17:15] #snake_rattler: how do you come to that conclusion?
  191. [17:17:15] Neapolitan_Blood: im not giving up
  192. [17:17:19] Neapolitan_Blood: im just keeping my brain realistic
  193. [17:17:25] Zapalidoo: I also kinda want new pre evos for stuff like cychlom
  194. [17:17:32] +atha: May be a Contary user ?
  195. [17:17:35] Neapolitan_Blood: if Cyclohm Yet Again wins my organs will turn inside out
  196. [17:17:45] Neapolitan_Blood: Contrary's kiiind of seen use before
  197. [17:17:48] Neapolitan_Blood: with serperior
  198. [17:17:49] Kadew: What is "Cyclohm yet again"?
  199. [17:17:52] @mxmts: Neapolitan_Blood, sorry but no, I've decided it would be too restricting
  200. [17:17:54] Neapolitan_Blood: but if we count it as only within Gen 8
  201. [17:17:55] Kadew: i don't remember its original concept
  202. [17:17:58] Neapolitan_Blood: Wait what
  203. [17:18:03] @mxmts: you can submit something else
  204. [17:18:04] Neapolitan_Blood: Hold up
  205. [17:18:12] Neapolitan_Blood: How the actual hell
  206. [17:18:21] Reviloja753: I think he means transform
  207. [17:18:24] Gravity Monkey: Kadew a mon with an underutilized ability
  208. [17:18:28] +atha: Bro ofc Contrary was seen before but it disappeared
  209. [17:18:39] Reviloja753: mxmts, neapolitan changed to cyclohm concept
  210. [17:18:44] +atha: like draco contrary or something
  211. [17:18:46] Neapolitan_Blood: I think mx knows
  212. [17:18:52] @mxmts: oh, sorry didn't realize
  213. [17:18:55] Neapolitan_Blood: oh
  214. [17:18:57] Neapolitan_Blood: ok apparently not
  215. [17:19:02] Neapolitan_Blood: if transform is too restricting then fair fair
  216. [17:19:09] Neapolitan_Blood: for a second i thought you were calling cyclohm again
  217. [17:19:16] Neapolitan_Blood: a concept that has literally been done before
  218. [17:19:20] Gravity Monkey: lol
  219. [17:19:21] Neapolitan_Blood: too restricting
  220. [17:19:32] GW8: Transform would be "Ditto but with more HP."
  221. [17:19:43] Trippy Soup: which is mew
  222. [17:19:51] SUNmyser: idk i dont think re-adapting a old concept would be too bad for some concepts
  223. [17:19:58] SUNmyser: argho 2.0 could be fun
  224. [17:20:00] Neapolitan_Blood: sun i actually in a way disagree
  225. [17:20:06] Neapolitan_Blood: in a lot of cases it could probably be a little meh
  226. [17:20:10] Neapolitan_Blood: cyclohm is a big exception though
  227. [17:20:17] Neapolitan_Blood: very fluid concept with plenty of different possibilities
  228. [17:20:32] SizeCrunchNumber: Also, basically every variant of Voodoom's concept has been awful
  229. [17:20:33] Gravity Monkey: what was argho's concept again
  230. [17:20:33] GW8: I really like Gravity as a CAP concept.
  231. [17:20:39] GW8: Unaware
  232. [17:20:43] Gravity Monkey: oh
  233. [17:20:46] +atha: Unawar LMAO
  234. [17:20:46] SUNmyser: it was a re-centralization of teh meta
  235. [17:20:50] Neapolitan_Blood: i admit
  236. [17:20:52] SUNmyser: i believe
  237. [17:20:55] Neapolitan_Blood: gravity seems cool when corvi is big
  238. [17:21:00] +atha: setup isn't very good in the meta
  239. [17:21:15] Neapolitan_Blood: honestly the gravity mon could even end up being more of a support
  240. [17:21:19] Trippy Soup: Meh, I'm still liking Special Press more than most of these concepts :P
  241. [17:21:20] Neapolitan_Blood: gravity up and get dugtrio in
  242. [17:21:24] Sandshine: re-centralization of the meta, but we just build galar darm
  243. [17:21:32] SUNmyser: lmaoo
  244. [17:21:32] GW8: Topsy-Turvy would be more realistic when the expansion releases.
  245. [17:21:34] Reviloja753: Special press is too specific
  246. [17:21:43] Reviloja753: cause it indicates stats
  247. [17:21:46] Reviloja753: Body Press does not
  248. [17:21:47] SUNmyser: we aint making custom moves either
  249. [17:21:50] Reviloja753: cause its just a move
  250. [17:22:12] @mxmts: alright it's time
  251. [17:22:23] Sandshine: time to be a narcissist
  252. [17:22:23] GW8: Things like Garchomp being included could make Turvy more popular
  253. [17:22:24] SUNmyser: ooooo
  254. [17:22:25] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">We will be hosting a Flash CAP on the 8th February! We want as many people as possible to be able to make it so what time would work best for you? (EST)</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>5 PM</strong> <small>(71 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>6 PM</strong> <small>(36 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>7 PM</strong> <small>(61 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:66px"></span><small>&nbsp;22%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>later</strong> <small>(35 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:36px"></span><small>&nbsp;12%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>earlier</strong> <small>(36 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>other (say in chat)</strong> <small>(44 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:48px"></span><small>&nbsp;16%</small></div></div>
  255. [17:22:25] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  256. [17:22:34] mxmts used /poll create Concept Poll, Hard Beats, Surprise Strategy, One-Hit Wonder, Special Press, Materialism, Gravity abuser, Underused ability
  257. [17:22:34] A poll was started by mxmts.
  258. [17:22:35] Neapolitan_Blood: time to be a narcissist as well
  259. [17:22:41] SUNmyser: what was hard beats?
  260. [17:22:42] Neapolitan_Blood: first vote woo
  261. [17:22:48] Neapolitan_Blood: and also the only vote for underused ability oh
  262. [17:22:54] Reviloja753: Wait mx
  263. [17:22:54] @mxmts: wallbreaker with limited coverage
  264. [17:22:59] SUNmyser: mmm
  265. [17:22:59] Neapolitan_Blood: oh well at least gravity abuser is winning
  266. [17:22:59] +atha: Gravity looks tempting
  267. [17:23:00] SUNmyser: ty
  268. [17:23:02] Reviloja753: Didnt special press indicate it had to be a special attacker
  269. [17:23:15] Neapolitan_Blood: dang though i only got one vote
  270. [17:23:18] Neapolitan_Blood: and that was my own
  271. [17:23:23] #snake_rattler: why gravity
  272. [17:23:27] #snake_rattler: what does gravity do
  273. [17:23:30] Neapolitan_Blood: hit corvi with ground moves
  274. [17:23:32] SUNmyser: grounds things
  275. [17:23:36] SUNmyser: increases accuracy
  276. [17:23:36] GW8: A Special Attacker with high Defense Rev
  277. [17:23:36] Neapolitan_Blood: and also accuracy stuff or something
  278. [17:23:38] SUNmyser: why not
  279. [17:23:38] Sandshine: boosts grav apple damage
  280. [17:23:44] SUNmyser: ^^^ lmao
  281. [17:23:44] Reviloja753: Thats still specific
  282. [17:23:45] Gravity Monkey: does it?
  283. [17:23:48] SUNmyser: we making a apple breaker
  284. [17:23:49] SUNmyser: yeah
  285. [17:23:49] ADS_bomber: what do hard beats?
  286. [17:24:01] SizeCrunchNumber: Wallbreaker with bad coverage
  287. [17:24:02] Trippy Soup: I said Body Press and a special movepool, indicating nothing of stats, just moves. :P
  288. [17:24:04] +atha: Maybe thousands arrows back ? pmuch the same idea
  289. [17:24:06] GW8: Gravity Stone Edge
  290. [17:24:06] #snake_rattler: what are we going to just remake flapple?
  291. [17:24:19] SUNmyser: dw about it lol
  292. [17:24:21] Kadew: flapple but not as ugly
  293. [17:24:22] Reviloja753: How is this process making me angry already
  294. [17:24:24] Gravity Monkey: flapple with gravity yes
  295. [17:24:30] Neapolitan_Blood: part of me doesn't want this mon to get grav apple
  296. [17:24:35] Neapolitan_Blood: and here's my totally legitimate reasoning:
  297. [17:24:37] Neapolitan_Blood: - im an artist
  298. [17:24:47] Kadew: apples are great for art though
  299. [17:24:49] Sandshine: ok heres the plan
  300. [17:24:52] Kadew: source: every still life of fruit ever
  301. [17:24:54] Neapolitan_Blood: ok but like
  302. [17:24:58] Neapolitan_Blood: what if we get anything other then grass
  303. [17:25:01] Sandshine: we take the monkey from 25G, say it's isaac newton
  304. [17:25:05] Kadew: wax apples are a thing
  305. [17:25:06] Sandshine: and we give it grav apple
  306. [17:25:09] GW8: Okay, if we are doing Gravity, then no OHKO moves.
  307. [17:25:17] Kadew: golden apple for steely type
  308. [17:25:19] Gravity Monkey: well no shit
  309. [17:25:20] Neapolitan_Blood: ohko moves are banned anyway i thinkg
  310. [17:25:22] @mxmts: oh, that's for sure
  311. [17:25:44] Mova: hi
  312. [17:25:48] GW8: Yo
  313. [17:25:49] Mova: flash cap!?
  314. [17:25:50] Sandshine: gravity also doesnt affect ohko moves i dont think
  315. [17:25:53] Reviloja753: Yes mova
  316. [17:25:57] Neapolitan_Blood: I GOT A VOTE OTHER THEN MINE
  317. [17:25:57] Mova: hi rev
  318. [17:26:03] Neapolitan_Blood: whoever voted for mine
  319. [17:26:06] Neapolitan_Blood: mad respect to you
  320. [17:26:07] Mova: so what's the materialism concept
  321. [17:26:13] Reviloja753: underused item
  322. [17:26:15] Mova: ok
  323. [17:26:16] Neapolitan_Blood: underused item
  324. [17:26:20] Sandshine: bruh why is my concept the second worst
  325. [17:26:25] Sandshine: lots of options
  326. [17:26:26] Mova: does that include scarf?
  327. [17:26:38] Mova: or life orb
  328. [17:26:39] Neapolitan_Blood: me tied at 3rd worst: B)
  329. [17:26:42] Neapolitan_Blood: also mova no what
  330. [17:26:45] Reiga: hello epic cap men
  331. [17:26:46] Neapolitan_Blood: those are used all the time??
  332. [17:26:49] Mova: ignore scarf
  333. [17:26:54] +Marjane: ...
  334. [17:26:58] Mova: but what about any of the new toys
  335. [17:26:58] Reiga: hey mova
  336. [17:27:01] Mova: hi reiga
  337. [17:27:04] Mova: b
  338. [17:27:04] Reiga: :]
  339. [17:27:23] #snake_rattler: i'm not convinced gravity will be as interesting as we think it'll be
  340. [17:27:28] +atha: I think the poll came a bit too fast ngl
  341. [17:27:38] GW8: Gravity EQ
  342. [17:27:40] +atha: I agree w snak
  343. [17:27:41] +atha: e
  344. [17:27:44] Neapolitan_Blood: well i mean
  345. [17:27:46] Neapolitan_Blood: its a bit late now isn't it
  346. [17:28:00] Neapolitan_Blood: we're kinda stuck with gravity unless i suddenly get like 8 votes
  347. [17:28:03] Kadew: well this is a flash cap, not like it's serious business lasts forever
  348. [17:28:12] Sandshine: gravity is kinda lame
  349. [17:28:13] Kadew: it's ok for an imperfect decision or several
  350. [17:28:32] Mova: is what we picc'd?
  351. [17:28:32] @mxmts: alright, let'd do a second poll now just to be sure
  352. [17:28:39] GW8: Alright.
  353. [17:28:40] SUNmyser: cool
  354. [17:28:42] Gravity Monkey: kk
  355. [17:28:42] Neapolitan_Blood: my vote is unchanged
  356. [17:28:44] Mova: gravity
  357. [17:28:45] Neapolitan_Blood: still going for underused ability
  358. [17:28:47] Mova: nice
  359. [17:28:51] @mxmts: alright, let'd do a second poll
  360. [17:29:08] GW8: Okay
  361. [17:29:20] SizeCrunchNumber: Makes sense
  362. [17:29:28] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Concept Poll</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Hard Beats</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Surprise Strategy</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:15px"></span><small>&nbsp;5%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>One-Hit Wonder</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:48px"></span><small>&nbsp;16%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Special Press</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Materialism</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Gravity abuser</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:111px"></span><small>&nbsp;37%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">7. <strong>Underused ability</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div></div>
  363. [17:29:28] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  364. [17:29:39] Mova: grav apple?!
  365. [17:29:47] Kadew: grav apple!!
  366. [17:29:50] mxmts used /poll create Concept Poll 2, One-Hit Wonder, Materialism, Gravity abuser
  367. [17:29:50] A poll was started by mxmts.
  368. [17:29:51] Neapolitan_Blood: guys
  369. [17:29:52] Reviloja753: it doesnt even get affected by gravity
  370. [17:29:55] Neapolitan_Blood: OH OK
  371. [17:29:59] +atha: What's one-hit wonder ?
  372. [17:30:00] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont even get a second chance rip
  373. [17:30:01] SUNmyser: yo rip
  374. [17:30:04] Neapolitan_Blood: I
  375. [17:30:05] Neapolitan_Blood: MISCLICKED
  376. [17:30:05] Reviloja753: -dt grav apple
  377. [17:30:06] Neapolitan_Blood: FINGDKJGFKFDFD
  378. [17:30:10] Neapolitan_Blood: i meant to hit materialism
  379. [17:30:10] #snake_rattler: #snake_rattler: One-Hit Wonder: This CAP has an exceedingly strong move but other moves that do little-to-no damage.
  380. [17:30:11] Mova: lmao
  381. [17:30:16] Sandshine: grav apples damage is boosted by gravity revi
  382. [17:30:17] Neapolitan_Blood: i swear i meant to hit materialism
  383. [17:30:21] GW8: Dw Materialsim will win.
  384. [17:30:21] +atha: oh ok
  385. [17:30:22] Reviloja753: Wait grav apple is boosted?
  386. [17:30:24] Reviloja753: I didnt even know
  387. [17:30:26] Sandshine: by like
  388. [17:30:27] Reviloja753: wild
  389. [17:30:29] Sandshine: 1.3x i think?
  390. [17:30:32] NebbyY: Materialism?
  391. [17:30:32] Reviloja753: no
  392. [17:30:33] Reviloja753: 1.5
  393. [17:30:34] Reviloja753: it appears
  394. [17:30:36] Trippy Soup: One hit wonder is definitely better than gravity smh. :P
  395. [17:30:36] Reviloja753: thats wild
  396. [17:30:36] Neapolitan_Blood: materialism is
  397. [17:30:38] Mova: it be
  398. [17:30:38] Neapolitan_Blood: underused ability
  399. [17:30:39] Zapalidoo: What's materialism?
  400. [17:30:42] Neapolitan_Blood: No wait
  401. [17:30:43] SUNmyser: item
  402. [17:30:44] Neapolitan_Blood: underused item
  403. [17:30:44] #snake_rattler: one-hit wonder is cool :(
  404. [17:30:45] Reviloja753: underused item
  405. [17:30:49] Mova: underused item won?
  406. [17:30:50] Reviloja753: one-hit wonder is cool too
  407. [17:31:00] @mxmts: seems still really close
  408. [17:31:04] Mova: one hit point wonder?
  409. [17:31:08] Neapolitan_Blood: kind of wish i got a second chance but
  410. [17:31:10] Neapolitan_Blood: oh well
  411. [17:31:17] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Concept Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>One-Hit Wonder</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:60px"></span><small>&nbsp;20%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Materialism</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:135px"></span><small>&nbsp;45%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Gravity abuser</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:105px"></span><small>&nbsp;35%</small></div></div>
  412. [17:31:17] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  413. [17:31:20] Mova: ok
  414. [17:31:23] GW8: Woo
  415. [17:31:26] Zapalidoo: dang
  416. [17:31:26] Mova: UU item it be
  417. [17:31:26] SUNmyser: so materialism?
  418. [17:31:32] Mova: or neverused
  419. [17:31:34] #snake_rattler: i'd run off again
  420. [17:31:35] Mova: i dunno
  421. [17:31:36] Kadew: consider your second chance as the big proper new cap project on the forums
  422. [17:31:37] +atha: materialism looks ok
  423. [17:31:45] mxmts used /poll create Concept Poll 3, Materialism, Gravity abuser
  424. [17:31:45] A poll was started by mxmts.
  425. [17:31:51] Neapolitan_Blood: oh
  426. [17:31:51] +atha: gravity looks bad dont vote 4 it
  427. [17:31:55] Neapolitan_Blood: ok
  428. [17:31:59] @mxmts: It was still too close to decide
  429. [17:32:00] SUNmyser: rip
  430. [17:32:03] Mova: well that escalated quickly
  431. [17:32:03] GW8: 13 votes
  432. [17:32:12] Mova: UU item wins
  433. [17:32:17] Mova: no wait
  434. [17:32:18] Neapolitan_Blood: so uh
  435. [17:32:22] Neapolitan_Blood: you know what this means?
  436. [17:32:27] @mxmts: seems pretty clear this time
  437. [17:32:27] SUNmyser: uu item it is
  438. [17:32:29] Neapolitan_Blood: FOCUS BAND TIME WOOOOOOO--
  439. [17:32:29] Mova: does anyone need art?
  440. [17:32:30] GW8: Gotta choose the item.
  441. [17:32:37] Trippy Soup: yeah gravity is kinda lame. :P
  442. [17:32:41] Mova: focus band?
  443. [17:32:43] Gravity Monkey: yeah we need to chose an item now
  444. [17:32:48] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Concept Poll 3</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Materialism</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:210px"></span><small>&nbsp;70%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Gravity abuser</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:90px"></span><small>&nbsp;30%</small></div></div>
  445. [17:32:48] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  446. [17:32:50] SUNmyser: utility umbrella
  447. [17:32:52] Kadew: choosing the item is our concept assessment yeah?
  448. [17:32:52] SizeCrunchNumber: Scope Lens
  449. [17:32:54] Neapolitan_Blood: focus band! focus band!
  450. [17:32:54] Mova: that exists?
  451. [17:32:57] GW8: Adrenaline Orb is my pick.
  452. [17:32:58] Gravity Monkey: Eject Pack
  453. [17:32:59] Neapolitan_Blood: nah im memeing lmao
  454. [17:32:59] Mova: what's the utility umbrella
  455. [17:33:00] SUNmyser: sCoPe Lens is sick
  456. [17:33:01] Mova: oh
  457. [17:33:04] Mova: lmao
  458. [17:33:05] NebbyY: Adrenaline Orb
  459. [17:33:12] Mova: adrenaline orb is for in-game, right?
  460. [17:33:15] Sandshine: could it be
  461. [17:33:18] Trippy Soup: I think the item should be Shell bell
  462. [17:33:18] Sandshine: a specific group of items
  463. [17:33:27] Mova: shell bell
  464. [17:33:27] Sandshine: with similar function
  465. [17:33:32] NebbyY: Shell Bell Triage
  466. [17:33:40] Neapolitan_Blood: alright this is a stupid idea i had but hear me out
  467. [17:33:40] Reviloja753: Would Expert Belt be allowed?
  468. [17:34:00] Kadew: do berries count as underutilized items?
  469. [17:34:01] SUNmyser: yep
  470. [17:34:03] @mxmts: /announce We have a winner, Underutilized item is our concept, now for assessment, how are we going to do it?
  471. [17:34:04] Neapolitan_Blood: luminous moss + storm drain
  472. [17:34:06] +atha: Harvest ?
  473. [17:34:06] Gravity Monkey: room service exists too ig?
  474. [17:34:12] Sandshine: doesnt work nea
  475. [17:34:15] #snake_rattler: i really don't want to use too niche of an item myself
  476. [17:34:29] #snake_rattler: remember for this concept: it wants to use that item, not any of the good ones
  477. [17:34:32] Mova: does luminous moss even with with storm drain>
  478. [17:34:38] Sandshine: no
  479. [17:34:38] Neapolitan_Blood: oh
  480. [17:34:39] #snake_rattler: so it doesn't want to use LO, doesn't want to use choice items, doesn't want leftovers
  481. [17:34:40] Neapolitan_Blood: good question
  482. [17:34:41] Kadew: i vote big berry synergy, there are so many weird berry abilities to choose from
  483. [17:34:53] Mova: type resist berries?
  484. [17:34:53] @mxmts: Berries seem fun
  485. [17:34:56] Mova: oh
  486. [17:34:58] #snake_rattler: pinch berries are cool
  487. [17:34:59] Mova: those are OU
  488. [17:34:59] Sandshine: Custap Berry :)
  489. [17:35:01] Gravity Monkey: bLAcK SluDGe
  490. [17:35:04] Neapolitan_Blood: hey guys wait
  491. [17:35:04] SUNmyser: i think we should start by sayign what items shouldnt be used
  492. [17:35:07] Neapolitan_Blood: Metronome! Metronome!
  493. [17:35:10] SUNmyser: ^^^6
  494. [17:35:15] Reviloja753: Metronome is a good idea too
  495. [17:35:19] NebbyY: berserk gene own tempo ;)
  496. [17:35:19] Mova: no type resist berries
  497. [17:35:25] @mxmts: Metronome is pretty cool too
  498. [17:35:25] Gravity Monkey: i like metronome yeah
  499. [17:35:31] Reviloja753: Metronome, a berry,
  500. [17:35:31] GW8: Metronome would be a good concept.
  501. [17:35:35] Reviloja753: Protective Pads perhaps
  502. [17:35:35] Sandshine: what about terrain seeds
  503. [17:35:36] #snake_rattler: metronome is really awesome
  504. [17:35:42] Reviloja753: OOh
  505. [17:35:44] Mova: metronome
  506. [17:35:45] Reviloja753: Red Card is an option
  507. [17:35:56] Mova: wag finger?
  508. [17:35:56] SizeCrunchNumber: Terrian Seeds already see play on Lucha
  509. [17:35:56] Reviloja753: Thats always been a fascinating one
  510. [17:36:04] Sandshine: thats 1 mon
  511. [17:36:06] Reviloja753: nah metronome the item mova
  512. [17:36:11] Kadew: hawlucha is a single pokemon, and it's trapped in a borderline
  513. [17:36:13] +atha: Yeah but in what world can you make a mon always want to use metronome ?
  514. [17:36:15] NebbyY: cell battery volt absorb
  515. [17:36:21] Sandshine: also maybe weakness policy
  516. [17:36:21] SizeCrunchNumber: But it's pretty indicative of the playstyle it promotes
  517. [17:36:25] Reviloja753: The item, not the move atha
  518. [17:36:32] Sandshine: cell battery doesnt trigger on volt absorb
  519. [17:36:35] +atha: I know reviloja
  520. [17:36:35] Mova: nah
  521. [17:36:36] GW8: A Pokemon that can take a hit and fire back a stronger one.
  522. [17:36:37] Reviloja753: You just make something with a move that hits neutral as much as possible
  523. [17:36:38] +atha: still
  524. [17:36:42] NebbyY: oof
  525. [17:36:42] #snake_rattler: metronome is a pretty neat item that tomohawk uses best rn
  526. [17:36:57] Mova: not to be confused with the move metronome
  527. [17:36:59] Reviloja753: Throat Spray is a niche one to be explored
  528. [17:36:59] Sandshine: zoom lens :eyes:
  529. [17:37:07] SUNmyser: i do like scope lens
  530. [17:37:08] #snake_rattler: you'd use it on a tank that doesn't want to get worn down imo
  531. [17:37:12] SUNmyser: but i feel theres enough users of it
  532. [17:37:18] SizeCrunchNumber: Scope Lens is fun
  533. [17:37:34] Mova: throat spray
  534. [17:37:36] Mova: overdrive
  535. [17:37:42] @mxmts: So, metronome? If people are still unsure we can always do a poll
  536. [17:37:48] Mova: :thinking:
  537. [17:37:50] Reviloja753: I think a poll would be best
  538. [17:37:53] Mova: oh wait, we're not in discord
  539. [17:37:53] #snake_rattler: give some time first
  540. [17:37:58] GW8: Thtoat Spray seems really restrictive.
  541. [17:37:59] Sandshine: metronome is kinda
  542. [17:38:00] #snake_rattler: i think pinch berries are cool
  543. [17:38:00] +atha: Yh we need time
  544. [17:38:04] Gravity Monkey: still subbing eject pack lol
  545. [17:38:05] Sandshine: why are we not using life orb
  546. [17:38:09] Sandshine: in some cases
  547. [17:38:11] #snake_rattler: eject pack could be cool too
  548. [17:38:12] +atha: what's pinch berries .
  549. [17:38:16] +pip7: wat the hell why are ppl talking so loudly in this graveyard
  550. [17:38:20] #snake_rattler: makes nuke moves like overheat into nukes
  551. [17:38:20] Reviloja753: flashcap
  552. [17:38:26] GW8: FlashCAP
  553. [17:38:29] Mova: yee
  554. [17:38:33] Reviloja753: Eject Pack sounds fun
  555. [17:38:41] Sandshine: i kinda wanna sub king's rock
  556. [17:38:42] #snake_rattler: pinch berries are like liechi bery and salac berry
  557. [17:38:49] Sandshine: but also there's only one good way to use that
  558. [17:38:51] Mova: salacc berry?
  559. [17:38:51] Kadew: berries that activate at low health
  560. [17:38:59] +atha: I think a Harvest abuser would be very cool
  561. [17:39:05] Mova: ripen
  562. [17:39:13] Mova: but harvest can work too
  563. [17:39:14] SizeCrunchNumber: Gluttony
  564. [17:39:14] Kadew: cheek pouch too
  565. [17:39:15] Neapolitan_Blood: YO GUYS
  566. [17:39:17] +atha: bc buildong around an unusable item looks meh
  567. [17:39:22] Neapolitan_Blood: Rowap berry looks real interesting
  568. [17:39:27] Reviloja753: -dt rowap berry
  569. [17:39:29] NebbyY: iron ball
  570. [17:39:29] Mova: enigma berry
  571. [17:39:30] Reviloja753: whoops
  572. [17:39:31] GW8: Eject Pack woild be neat on a slow pivot.
  573. [17:39:35] Neapolitan_Blood: "If holder is hit by a special move, attacker loses 1/8 of its max HP"
  574. [17:39:40] Reviloja753: hmm
  575. [17:39:42] Reviloja753: Interesting
  576. [17:39:53] Neapolitan_Blood: id assume theres a physical counterpart too
  577. [17:39:54] Neapolitan_Blood: somewhere
  578. [17:40:09] Reviloja753: Sounds like something with decent bulk and does a lot of whittling
  579. [17:40:09] #snake_rattler: remember with these items
  580. [17:40:12] Neapolitan_Blood: yep Jaboca Berry
  581. [17:40:12] Reviloja753: but how do we encourage it
  582. [17:40:19] Neapolitan_Blood: another interesting one: Enigma Berry
  583. [17:40:20] #snake_rattler: they're underutilized for a reason
  584. [17:40:24] GW8: Yeah, we may need a poll for this.
  585. [17:40:29] Neapolitan_Blood: "Restores 1/4 max HP after holder is hit by a SE move."
  586. [17:40:46] Reviloja753: Eject Pack feels a bit one-dimensional
  587. [17:40:47] #snake_rattler: pinch berries have a use for sweepers
  588. [17:41:05] #snake_rattler: metronome you'd use on a pokemon that can tank some hits but doesn't want to put on life orb or specs
  589. [17:41:21] +Quanyails: Metronome sounds neat and has shown to be usable.
  590. [17:41:23] Reviloja753: Metronome or pinch berries are the best rn
  591. [17:41:28] Neapolitan_Blood: yeah didn't
  592. [17:41:29] SUNmyser: maybe a memory or plate to give it STAB multi attack or judgement?
  593. [17:41:30] +atha: Or on a serene grace asshole
  594. [17:41:35] GW8: It's a duel between Metronome or Eject Pack for me.
  595. [17:41:35] SUNmyser: as its sole stab move that is
  596. [17:41:36] Kadew: i think berries works best bc we actually have tools to incentivize their use specifically over other more broad items
  597. [17:41:40] @mxmts: Alright, Pinch Berries, Metronome, something else?
  598. [17:41:55] Reviloja753: How about
  599. [17:41:56] Neapolitan_Blood: Pinch Berries, Metronome, Eject Pack, Jaboca/Rowap Berry
  600. [17:41:57] Reviloja753: Red Card
  601. [17:41:59] SUNmyser: plates + memories
  602. [17:42:00] Gravity Monkey: im still clinging to eject pack
  603. [17:42:01] SUNmyser: if that works
  604. [17:42:03] Sandshine: terrain seeds
  605. [17:42:04] Neapolitan_Blood: and Red Card
  606. [17:42:08] GW8: How would Eject Pack fare?
  607. [17:42:12] Reviloja753: I think Red Carc ould be interesting
  608. [17:42:13] #snake_rattler: i'm not sure how well eject pack works outside of abusing a trapper with it
  609. [17:42:24] Kadew: memories don't do anything for anyone but silvally though?
  610. [17:42:26] #snake_rattler: and i don't want to build a mon that encourages more dugtrio
  611. [17:42:27] Reviloja753: forcing someone out for free
  612. [17:42:33] GW8: Yeah, we can go with Metronome.
  613. [17:42:37] Reviloja753: Potentially causing 50/50s
  614. [17:42:37] NebbyY: iron ball analytic
  615. [17:42:37] Gravity Monkey: eject pack could be used for a lead
  616. [17:42:38] %LucarioOfLegends: maybe weakness policy
  617. [17:42:39] #snake_rattler: RKS system changes silvally's type
  618. [17:42:45] SUNmyser: memories give you a different type of multi attack
  619. [17:42:47] #snake_rattler: the memory changes multi-attack's type
  620. [17:42:49] SUNmyser: which could be used idk
  621. [17:42:58] Reviloja753: Like imagine
  622. [17:43:03] Reviloja753: You use Red Card on a setup mon
  623. [17:43:07] Kadew: oh so giving a mon non-stab multi-attack
  624. [17:43:10] Gravity Monkey: for example aurora veil leaf storm eject pack abomasnow is kinda used in nu
  625. [17:43:12] @mxmts: Weakness Policy sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how you build specifically for it
  626. [17:43:14] Reviloja753: to cause a 50/50
  627. [17:43:21] Neapolitan_Blood: yoooo wait
  628. [17:43:23] #snake_rattler: weakness policy is neat too
  629. [17:43:24] Neapolitan_Blood: red card IS interesting
  630. [17:43:29] Neapolitan_Blood: ok ive got it im going with red card
  631. [17:43:35] #snake_rattler: what do you do with red card
  632. [17:43:36] Kadew: weakness policy... give something a 4x weakness but enough defenses to live
  633. [17:43:39] NebbyY: ice type with weakness policy
  634. [17:43:41] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Heyo!
  635. [17:43:41] Reviloja753: so Rhyperior
  636. [17:43:43] Neapolitan_Blood: force the opponent to switch
  637. [17:43:46] Neapolitan_Blood: when you live a hit
  638. [17:43:50] #snake_rattler: yes that's what red card does
  639. [17:43:53] Reviloja753: Rhyperior is the weakness policy mon
  640. [17:43:53] #snake_rattler: what do you do with red card
  641. [17:43:58] Neapolitan_Blood: uh
  642. [17:44:01] Neapolitan_Blood: psst rev
  643. [17:44:01] Reviloja753: I say red card can cause 50/50s
  644. [17:44:10] %LucarioOfLegends: I like red card yea
  645. [17:44:17] Sandshine: red card forces a switch right
  646. [17:44:17] #snake_rattler: why am i putting red card on a mon
  647. [17:44:18] Frat Dude: this is the god set https://pokepast.es/5d47eb902c7452ed
  648. [17:44:19] #snake_rattler: and not another item
  649. [17:44:22] Sandshine: opponent doesnt get to choose?
  650. [17:44:25] +atha: Red card phazes and abuses hazards
  651. [17:44:29] Neapolitan_Blood: OPPONENT DOESN'T GET TO CHOOSE
  652. [17:44:31] Neapolitan_Blood: ITS A RANDOM ALLY!
  653. [17:44:35] Reviloja753: Thats a good question snake
  654. [17:44:40] Neapolitan_Blood: that is
  655. [17:44:40] +atha: Red card can be good vs the meta I think
  656. [17:44:40] GW8: You only get to use it once, though.
  657. [17:44:42] Neapolitan_Blood: way better then i thought
  658. [17:44:45] #snake_rattler: ok so what do you do with red card
  659. [17:44:51] SUNmyser: yeah but why red card over other items
  660. [17:44:53] Reviloja753: I said what you do with it
  661. [17:44:59] SizeCrunchNumber: Red Card is interesting on hazard setters
  662. [17:44:59] Sandshine: slap it on argho and delete setup
  663. [17:45:04] #snake_rattler: i can cause 50/50s with moves and better items
  664. [17:45:05] Gravity Monkey: for me, red card screams mimikyu
  665. [17:45:05] @mxmts: yeah, I'm not convinced about Red Card
  666. [17:45:06] Sandshine: once
  667. [17:45:06] SUNmyser: why not just have a unaware phaser for instance
  668. [17:45:08] +atha: you phaze sth out and recycle
  669. [17:45:10] NebbyY: red card with recycle
  670. [17:45:10] Reviloja753: cause 50/50s, also perhaps abuse hazards
  671. [17:45:12] Reviloja753: but yeah
  672. [17:45:12] Neapolitan_Blood: ooo yeah
  673. [17:45:13] Neapolitan_Blood: recycle
  674. [17:45:15] SUNmyser: like circle throw argho
  675. [17:45:18] Reviloja753: im not super passionate about red card
  676. [17:45:20] #snake_rattler: ok now i'm running red card and recycle
  677. [17:45:22] Reviloja753: just wanted to mention it
  678. [17:45:28] Reviloja753: Red card recycle is dumb
  679. [17:45:29] Neapolitan_Blood: i am now passionate about red card
  680. [17:45:31] Reviloja753: why that when
  681. [17:45:31] +atha: I'm convinced
  682. [17:45:39] Reviloja753: you can do berry recycle if youre determined to run it
  683. [17:45:59] Kadew: berrycycling is more flexible and also better for the environment
  684. [17:46:04] Reviloja753: Im still mainly metronome or pinch berry
  685. [17:46:05] #snake_rattler: i think pinch berries are cool actually
  686. [17:46:06] Reviloja753: so
  687. [17:46:11] Reviloja753: Also are we talking
  688. [17:46:13] Reviloja753: pinch healing
  689. [17:46:16] Reviloja753: or pinch stat boost
  690. [17:46:16] GW8: Okay, so put Red Card on the bulk mon, take a hit, have them switch out, something switches in and hazard damage sets in. Now you can't use Red Card again.
  691. [17:46:28] Neapolitan_Blood: could require smart use
  692. [17:46:30] Neapolitan_Blood: recycle or no recycle
  693. [17:46:41] Neapolitan_Blood: im Metronome or Red Card
  694. [17:46:41] Sandshine: when are we polling
  695. [17:46:42] Gravity Monkey: red card + toxic spikes + merciless maybe?
  696. [17:46:44] #snake_rattler: but why would i do that when i could run an actual item
  697. [17:46:46] Kadew: tbh all pinch berries are underused, do we need to specify?
  698. [17:46:47] +Marjane: sticky barb is cool
  699. [17:46:52] GW8: Only on something with SD or Rock Polish.
  700. [17:46:56] SUNmyser: i feel like with berries we can also go with berry based abilities like cheek pouch
  701. [17:46:59] @mxmts: If you are defensive you're really going to prefer lefties I think
  702. [17:47:05] #snake_rattler: i'd leave pinch berries open as liechi / petaya / salac
  703. [17:47:09] Gravity Monkey: oh right maybe something with klutz that just dishes out bad items
  704. [17:47:16] Reviloja753: thats cheating
  705. [17:47:19] SizeCrunchNumber: Red card is usually used to haze off buffs,but with Tomohawk, I question the need for that
  706. [17:47:21] Neapolitan_Blood: this is actually telling something interesting about Concepts
  707. [17:47:23] #snake_rattler: how's it cheat
  708. [17:47:30] +atha: mxmts that's the problem of our concept imo
  709. [17:47:33] Reviloja753: cause this is about using an item
  710. [17:47:34] Neapolitan_Blood: Concepts dont necessarily just have to be interesting or good for the meta
  711. [17:47:38] Reviloja753: klutz is literally just
  712. [17:47:40] Neapolitan_Blood: they just have to look nice
  713. [17:47:43] Reviloja753: pretending you dont got one
  714. [17:47:45] Gravity Monkey: fair enough
  715. [17:47:46] #snake_rattler: oh klutz
  716. [17:47:46] Neapolitan_Blood: you look at the concept and go "that sounds interesting"
  717. [17:47:46] Reviloja753: its not using the item
  718. [17:47:49] #snake_rattler: yeah klutz is eh
  719. [17:47:53] Snorlax_in_the_way: active chat aint that something
  720. [17:47:56] #snake_rattler: yes Neapolitan_Blood, that's the idea
  721. [17:47:59] Reviloja753: its a flashcap
  722. [17:48:02] @mxmts: Yeah, but other items have more clear uses
  723. [17:48:03] #snake_rattler: Snorlax_in_the_way you saw the poll right
  724. [17:48:07] @sUnfished: someone ping me on discord when art comes up ;w;b
  725. [17:48:11] Reviloja753: i will
  726. [17:48:12] Neapolitan_Blood: i guess theres more time to think on it
  727. [17:48:13] Snorlax_in_the_way: snake_rattler you assumed i knew what day it was
  728. [17:48:14] Neapolitan_Blood: oh also ping me too
  729. [17:48:17] Neapolitan_Blood: even though i might still be here
  730. [17:48:22] Neapolitan_Blood: actually no ping me when typing is decided
  731. [17:48:27] Mova: concepts only have to look nice >:] ?
  732. [17:48:30] Sandshine: i might sleep soon tbh
  733. [17:48:32] Neapolitan_Blood: silence, woodman
  734. [17:48:36] Reviloja753: For real
  735. [17:48:45] Sandshine: but id like to contribute for a bit first
  736. [17:48:49] Reviloja753: what do we do with pinch berries
  737. [17:48:52] Reviloja753: they sound cool but
  738. [17:48:52] #snake_rattler: i'd saw pinch berries, metronome, or throat spray are the best items
  739. [17:48:56] Mova: i'm looking forward to the actual cap
  740. [17:48:58] Sandshine: you click Stuff Cheeks
  741. [17:48:58] Neapolitan_Blood: pinch berries feel
  742. [17:49:00] Neapolitan_Blood: less interesting
  743. [17:49:00] #snake_rattler: pinch berries you go DPP empoleon feel
  744. [17:49:01] +atha: Poll time ?
  745. [17:49:04] GW8: Let's do a poll.
  746. [17:49:06] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: aye
  747. [17:49:09] SizeCrunchNumber: To catch you up, Snorlax, we're currently building around an underutilized Item and are trying to choose which item to go with
  748. [17:49:11] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont like pinch berries. feels uninteresting relatively
  749. [17:49:11] Reviloja753: when they go off you're low besides gluttony ig
  750. [17:49:15] Neapolitan_Blood: im sticking with red card or metronome
  751. [17:49:18] Sandshine: pinch berries are cool when you have the move Stuff Cheeks
  752. [17:49:23] Sandshine: B)
  753. [17:49:24] Kadew: pinch berries let us use the underutilized abilities of berry synergy abilities
  754. [17:49:26] Mova: but neapolitan_blood, what do you mean they only have to look nice?
  755. [17:49:28] #snake_rattler: and now you're using stuff checks
  756. [17:49:30] Kadew: two concepts for the price of one :V
  757. [17:49:30] Reviloja753: yea but thats not something to bank on
  758. [17:49:34] Neapolitan_Blood: i mean it should also be a cool concept but like
  759. [17:49:37] Neapolitan_Blood: for example at the end 3
  760. [17:49:42] #snake_rattler: you run pinch berries with something like swarm or overgrow
  761. [17:49:43] Zapalidoo: I'm saying metronome too
  762. [17:49:44] Neapolitan_Blood: snakes could be argued as possibly the one that'd lead to the overall best process
  763. [17:49:51] Neapolitan_Blood: but the other two LOOKED way more interesting
  764. [17:50:00] Mova: i prefer better processes
  765. [17:50:01] Neapolitan_Blood: at least until we tore gravity to shreds anyway
  766. [17:50:01] NebbyY: eject button hazard setter with regenerator
  767. [17:50:06] Neapolitan_Blood: oh trust me so do i
  768. [17:50:08] Mova: over interesting looking stuff
  769. [17:50:14] Reviloja753: see the thing is
  770. [17:50:16] Mova: also i prefer stuff for a healthy meta
  771. [17:50:18] SUNmyser: rip gracity
  772. [17:50:19] Reviloja753: if something were like that
  773. [17:50:21] SUNmyser: *gravity
  774. [17:50:23] Reviloja753: with swarm or overgrow
  775. [17:50:29] Reviloja753: itd have to be fast enough to utilize it
  776. [17:50:29] Mova: what looked interesting but wasn't?
  777. [17:50:31] #snake_rattler: yes
  778. [17:50:33] #snake_rattler: that is correct
  779. [17:50:41] #snake_rattler: stats are something we can change v easily
  780. [17:50:42] Reviloja753: just something to keep in mind
  781. [17:50:44] Neapolitan_Blood: gravity looked interesting and was even the original winner
  782. [17:50:45] Reviloja753: true
  783. [17:50:48] Neapolitan_Blood: but then we kinda tore it to shreds
  784. [17:50:53] Mova: oh yeah
  785. [17:50:56] Neapolitan_Blood: and now we're sitting here, realizing the huge problem of
  786. [17:51:01] Neapolitan_Blood: "why would we use this item over another one"
  787. [17:51:03] #snake_rattler: here's how i see this concept playing out
  788. [17:51:04] @mxmts: Alright, I think we should start wrapping up, Pinch Berries, Metronome , Weakness Policy. I don't think Red card is good enough to consider. Am I missing something?
  789. [17:51:14] Mova: what canon cap concepts looked interesting but weren't?
  790. [17:51:15] Neapolitan_Blood: "I don't think red card is good enough to consider."
  791. [17:51:17] Neapolitan_Blood: i am insulted but fair
  792. [17:51:23] #snake_rattler: you /could/ do throat spray but i think it's too specific
  793. [17:51:23] Neapolitan_Blood: also mova good question
  794. [17:51:24] Gravity Monkey: eject pack :
  795. [17:51:26] Neapolitan_Blood: i have literally no idea
  796. [17:51:27] Mova: doom desire?
  797. [17:51:27] Reviloja753: Metronome on the other hand suffers from occasionally being worse than other items
  798. [17:51:32] #snake_rattler: i think metronome will yield the worst process
  799. [17:51:36] Neapolitan_Blood: was just a small possible thing i noticed with this
  800. [17:51:37] #snake_rattler: as cool as it is
  801. [17:51:44] #snake_rattler: bc it doesn't give us anything to work with
  802. [17:51:50] Mova: the existence of frameworks just felt like rule of cool, thinking about it now
  803. [17:51:50] #snake_rattler: pinch berries or weakness policy do though
  804. [17:51:54] Trippy Soup: Shell bell Traige
  805. [17:51:58] Neapolitan_Blood: oh yeah
  806. [17:52:00] Neapolitan_Blood: cap25 was just
  807. [17:52:00] Reviloja753: it doesnt work like that
  808. [17:52:01] Neapolitan_Blood: one big mess
  809. [17:52:04] Neapolitan_Blood: for framework and concept
  810. [17:52:04] GW8: Pinch Berries could be interesting for a +2 Atk / SpAtk on Grass and Bug with Overgrow or Swarm.
  811. [17:52:04] Mova: no wonder caribolt and the others took so damn long
  812. [17:52:06] NebbyY: metronome with ice ball/rollout
  813. [17:52:06] Aetherl: Rowap?
  814. [17:52:13] GW8: As a late-game sweeper.
  815. [17:52:13] Sandshine: i think 25 being a mess was due to it being three
  816. [17:52:18] Neapolitan_Blood: yeah probably
  817. [17:52:21] #snake_rattler: focus on the flashcap :)
  818. [17:52:22] Mova: indeedee
  819. [17:52:25] Mova: sorry snek
  820. [17:52:25] Neapolitan_Blood: but framework voting was what let it be 3--
  821. [17:52:26] Neapolitan_Blood: ahem anyway
  822. [17:52:36] Reviloja753: -dt leichi berry
  823. [17:52:38] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont know what im voitng
  824. [17:52:38] Reviloja753: i keep
  825. [17:52:39] Reviloja753: doing it
  826. [17:52:41] Neapolitan_Blood: probably not pinch berry t hough
  827. [17:52:44] Reviloja753: like this is discord
  828. [17:52:45] SUNmyser: oooo also the seeds
  829. [17:52:45] #snake_rattler: !dt Petaya Berry
  830. [17:52:45] |raw|<ul class="utilichart"><li class="result"><span class="col itemiconcol"><psicon item="petayaberry"></span> <span class="col namecol"><a href="https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/items/petayaberry">Petaya Berry</a></span> <span class="col itemdesccol">Raises holder's Sp. Atk by 1 stage when at 1/4 max HP or less. Single use.</span> </li><li style="clear:both"></li></ul>
  831. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 3&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Fling Base Power:</font> 10&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Fling Effect:</font> Activates the Berry's effect on the target.&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Natural Gift Type:</font> Poison&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Natural Gift Base Power:</font> 100</font>
  832. [17:52:45] Reviloja753: ffas
  833. [17:52:49] Reviloja753: thanks
  834. [17:52:51] SUNmyser: terrain seeds that is
  835. [17:52:57] Neapolitan_Blood: i still kind of just dont like pinch berries
  836. [17:53:00] Neapolitan_Blood: wait
  837. [17:53:04] Reviloja753: Also
  838. [17:53:04] Neapolitan_Blood: ok so uhhhhh
  839. [17:53:07] GW8: Screw it. I'm going with Pinch Berry.
  840. [17:53:08] Neapolitan_Blood: im proud to announce im stupid as hell
  841. [17:53:12] Reviloja753: something with a pinch berry either needs gluttony or bulk
  842. [17:53:12] Neapolitan_Blood: when i kept reading pinch berry
  843. [17:53:14] @mxmts: Time for the poll:
  844. [17:53:15] Neapolitan_Blood: my brain went
  845. [17:53:17] mxmts used /poll create Our item, Pinch Berries, Metronome, Weakness Policy
  846. [17:53:17] A poll was started by mxmts.
  847. [17:53:20] Neapolitan_Blood: "oh, the type-resist berries"
  848. [17:53:30] Mova: which one's gonna be best process
  849. [17:53:30] Neapolitan_Blood: which i stand by would be lame
  850. [17:53:32] Neapolitan_Blood: but uh
  851. [17:53:32] Kadew: you were thinking type resist berries this entire time??
  852. [17:53:36] Neapolitan_Blood: kadew
  853. [17:53:37] Gravity Monkey: rest in piece eject pack, i believed in you
  854. [17:53:38] @mxmts: Pretty one sided
  855. [17:53:38] Neapolitan_Blood: im not a smart person
  856. [17:53:46] Mova: not sure
  857. [17:53:52] Kadew: well good thing you got there eventually
  858. [17:53:58] @mxmts: I think it's enough
  859. [17:54:01] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Our item</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Pinch Berries</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:222px"></span><small>&nbsp;74%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Metronome</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:48px"></span><small>&nbsp;16%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Weakness Policy</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div></div>
  860. [17:54:01] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  861. [17:54:10] Kadew: and even if you didn't, your mistaken vote would only have counted for one among many
  862. [17:54:11] SUNmyser: punch berries have it
  863. [17:54:15] +pip7: stuff cheeks
  864. [17:54:20] Reiga: berry bros unlimited
  865. [17:54:22] Kadew: aw yeah lets stuff those cheeks
  866. [17:54:25] SUNmyser: cheek pouch
  867. [17:54:30] Reviloja753: Heres a question
  868. [17:54:37] Reviloja753: aside from abilities that are berry based
  869. [17:55:00] Reviloja753: Are we able to be both fast and bulky
  870. [17:55:02] +atha: Harvest, Ripen, Cheek Pouch
  871. [17:55:04] Reiga: belch mon :^)
  872. [17:55:05] SUNmyser: unburden could be fun with stuff cheeks
  873. [17:55:05] Reviloja753: so we can live to that low
  874. [17:55:14] Reviloja753: and be fast enough to utilize it
  875. [17:55:17] Sandshine: harvest could also be cool with stuff cheeks
  876. [17:55:20] Gravity Monkey: why wouldn't you use berry-based abilities though
  877. [17:55:32] Neapolitan_Blood: what stage is this
  878. [17:55:35] +atha: Belch looks cool
  879. [17:55:39] Reviloja753: It honestly feels like a bit of a cop-out tbh
  880. [17:55:43] Zapalidoo: teatime?
  881. [17:55:45] Reviloja753: same with unburden
  882. [17:55:50] Zapalidoo: prankster teatime?
  883. [17:55:51] SizeCrunchNumber: We're still in concept assessment
  884. [17:55:53] Gravity Monkey: maybe something with blaze / overgrow / etc...
  885. [17:56:00] Reviloja753: Yeah thats the idea GM
  886. [17:56:03] #snake_rattler: for pinch berry, we're most definitely going sweeper
  887. [17:56:05] Reviloja753: Yeah
  888. [17:56:05] Reiga: isnt teatime just stuff cheeks but worse
  889. [17:56:13] Neapolitan_Blood: teatime can also make the opponent consume their berry
  890. [17:56:14] NebbyY: unburden pinch berry
  891. [17:56:15] Neapolitan_Blood: but yeah pretty much
  892. [17:56:16] @mxmts: Before that we still need to figure out or typing
  893. [17:56:19] Reviloja753: also stuff cheeks is just worse SD or Agility if we use one of those berries
  894. [17:56:20] #snake_rattler: substutite or endure will be our friend
  895. [17:56:30] Sandshine: no its not
  896. [17:56:32] Sandshine: you get +2 defense
  897. [17:56:41] Reviloja753: Oh
  898. [17:56:42] #snake_rattler: !dt Stuff Cheeks
  899. [17:56:42] |raw|<ul class="utilichart"><li class="result"><span class="col movenamecol"><a href="https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/moves/stuffcheeks">Stuff Cheeks</a></span> <span class="col typecol"><img src="//play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Normal.png" alt="Normal" width="32" height="14"><img src="//play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/categories/Status.png" alt="Status" width="32" height="14"></span> <span class="col widelabelcol"><em>Accuracy</em><br>—</span> <span class="col pplabelcol"><em>PP</em><br>16</span> <span class="col movedesccol">Consumes berry and raises the user's Def. by 2.</span> </li><li style="clear:both"></li></ul>
  900. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Priority:</font> 0&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 8&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Z-Effect:</font> None&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Target:</font> User</font>
  901. [17:56:46] SizeCrunchNumber: So like Iron Defense
  902. [17:56:47] Reviloja753: forgot about that
  903. [17:56:48] Kadew: plus defence, berry ability synergies, and flavorful
  904. [17:56:49] Neapolitan_Blood: and an unburden boost
  905. [17:56:50] Neapolitan_Blood: if we go that route
  906. [17:56:53] Gravity Monkey: stuff cheeks x body press let's go
  907. [17:56:55] SUNmyser: seems wack
  908. [17:56:56] SUNmyser: i love it
  909. [17:57:01] Reviloja753: anyway
  910. [17:57:01] Reviloja753: typ
  911. [17:57:02] Neapolitan_Blood: STUFF CHEEKS BODY PRESS
  912. [17:57:02] Reviloja753: type
  913. [17:57:10] Neapolitan_Blood: we're at type?
  914. [17:57:12] Reviloja753: yes
  915. [17:57:14] Neapolitan_Blood: well uh
  916. [17:57:17] Neapolitan_Blood: im gonna be honest
  917. [17:57:18] Sandshine: stuff cheeks and unburden is so flavorfully opposite i love it
  918. [17:57:22] SizeCrunchNumber: Bug/Fighting
  919. [17:57:23] Neapolitan_Blood: monkeys got me wanting fighting type
  920. [17:57:31] #snake_rattler: if we want to go down the sweeping route, i'm actually going to vouch for normal type
  921. [17:57:35] Reviloja753: Body press doesnt need to be stab
  922. [17:57:37] Gravity Monkey: fighting/something yeah
  923. [17:57:37] Reviloja753: whys that snake
  924. [17:57:38] #snake_rattler: aegislash's shadow sneak can pick us off from low
  925. [17:57:44] Sandshine: are we doing type now
  926. [17:57:44] #snake_rattler: normal type cuts that
  927. [17:57:46] Reviloja753: oh good point
  928. [17:57:54] #snake_rattler: dark type is another option but band shadow sneak is really strong
  929. [17:57:54] Sandshine: because fire could be neat both offensively or defensively
  930. [17:58:01] NebbyY: dark poison type with belch?
  931. [17:58:07] Reviloja753: stop polljumping
  932. [17:58:08] Reviloja753: christ
  933. [17:58:15] +pip7: sandshine id say make it a hungry ghost
  934. [17:58:16] GW8: Normal/Grass type?
  935. [17:58:17] Reviloja753: this is getting kinda annoying
  936. [17:58:21] +pip7: but thats what zaparition was
  937. [17:58:22] Reviloja753: why grass
  938. [17:58:25] GW8: No wait, Ice Shard
  939. [17:58:32] Gravity Monkey: normal grass isn't a really good offensive type either
  940. [17:58:32] #snake_rattler: normal / water
  941. [17:58:33] +atha: normal grass is already bad
  942. [17:58:35] Reviloja753: what runs ice shard barring weavile
  943. [17:58:39] #snake_rattler: normal / water coverage is actually good
  944. [17:58:39] Reviloja753: and mamo
  945. [17:58:41] #snake_rattler: syclant
  946. [17:58:43] #snake_rattler: runs band shard
  947. [17:58:45] Sandshine: normal/fire
  948. [17:58:45] Reviloja753: oh ye
  949. [17:58:46] Reviloja753: forgot
  950. [17:58:46] Gravity Monkey: normal/fighting imo
  951. [17:58:47] SUNmyser: so we kinda wanna resist all the priorty right?
  952. [17:58:49] SizeCrunchNumber: Normal Ghost is interesting Sweeping typing
  953. [17:58:53] Reviloja753: no
  954. [17:58:54] SUNmyser: ^
  955. [17:58:58] #snake_rattler: is it normal ghost type
  956. [17:58:59] #snake_rattler: time*
  957. [17:59:03] #snake_rattler: is it finally it
  958. [17:59:04] SUNmyser: i think so
  959. [17:59:04] Mova: lmao
  960. [17:59:05] @mxmts: it could work
  961. [17:59:06] Reviloja753: If it is
  962. [17:59:08] Reviloja753: thatd be wild
  963. [17:59:10] Neapolitan_Blood: me when my normal/ghost idea really really doesn't work for stuff cheeks or anything:
  964. [17:59:14] Reviloja753: tho ice shard picks us off
  965. [17:59:15] #snake_rattler: can we finally put normal / ghost to rest
  966. [17:59:21] Neapolitan_Blood: haha, no
  967. [17:59:21] #snake_rattler: actually
  968. [17:59:22] Mova: did someone say n o r m a l / g h o s t
  969. [17:59:22] Neapolitan_Blood: normal/water
  970. [17:59:26] #snake_rattler: idk if normal ghost is it
  971. [17:59:27] +atha: normal ghost the legend's uprising
  972. [17:59:30] +Quanyails: 👀
  973. [17:59:31] Aetherl: I hope so
  974. [17:59:32] Neapolitan_Blood: guys guys
  975. [17:59:32] Gravity Monkey: ghost squirrel ghost squirrel
  976. [17:59:33] Sandshine: is normal really the play
  977. [17:59:34] Neapolitan_Blood: lets save normal/ghost
  978. [17:59:35] Neapolitan_Blood: for CAP27
  979. [17:59:40] Neapolitan_Blood: :)
  980. [17:59:40] #snake_rattler: hmmm
  981. [17:59:41] +pip7: normal sux
  982. [17:59:41] Kadew: we don't need to?
  983. [17:59:42] #snake_rattler: actually it could be
  984. [17:59:42] +pip7: xD
  985. [17:59:44] Kadew: save it?
  986. [17:59:47] Gravity Monkey: we're doing flash so whatever
  987. [17:59:48] #snake_rattler: dark / water sounds cool
  988. [17:59:51] Sandshine: i think
  989. [17:59:52] Kadew: why would you need to save a typing this isn't a real cap
  990. [17:59:55] +pip7: why wouldnt u just make it a dark type
  991. [17:59:58] Sandshine: mono poison could be interesting too
  992. [17:59:59] +pip7: and then it has a real stab
  993. [17:59:59] Neapolitan_Blood: im half kiddin
  994. [18:00:03] @mxmts: you probably end up need sometime for the mirror match with Normal/Ghost
  995. [18:00:05] Mova: it's not going to be playable anyway
  996. [18:00:05] GW8: Normal/Ghost sounds really cool.
  997. [18:00:13] Reviloja753: how much could band sneak do to a dark type with sweeper bulk
  998. [18:00:16] Reviloja753: thats the question
  999. [18:00:17] SizeCrunchNumber: Fighting Ice is actually good as far as sweeping goes too
  1000. [18:00:18] +pip7: 0
  1001. [18:00:19] GW8: Immune to most priority.
  1002. [18:00:22] Sandshine: or like
  1003. [18:00:26] Sandshine: poison/ground
  1004. [18:00:30] #snake_rattler: as long as a dark type has really good defense
  1005. [18:00:39] #snake_rattler: we could feasibly have it tank aegislash's sneak
  1006. [18:00:42] NebbyY: Normal/Steel
  1007. [18:00:51] Reviloja753: true
  1008. [18:00:58] Reviloja753: dark/water sounds interesting
  1009. [18:01:01] Zapalidoo: Eat a speed berry after a belly drum and sweep with drain punch and icicle crash
  1010. [18:01:01] SizeCrunchNumber: Normal Steel is really bad typing for this
  1011. [18:01:07] Neapolitan_Blood: man i just look at all these types and
  1012. [18:01:09] Sandshine: (that's what stuff cheeks is for snake)
  1013. [18:01:11] Neapolitan_Blood: i got no art concepts so far oof
  1014. [18:01:21] #snake_rattler: i'm still on the sub strategy
  1015. [18:01:32] #snake_rattler: sub down to petaya
  1016. [18:01:32] Kadew: none of us do, we're on equal footing artwise
  1017. [18:01:33] Neapolitan_Blood: stuff cheeks feels too good to pass up tbh
  1018. [18:01:34] Reviloja753: Dark/Water, Normal/Water, Normal/Ghost are the three combos I like
  1019. [18:01:39] Neapolitan_Blood: +2 def +1 other stat
  1020. [18:01:41] +atha: ok dark water looks priority proof, so good idea
  1021. [18:01:41] #snake_rattler: stuff cheeks is interesting
  1022. [18:01:51] +atha: let's make a greninja that uses berries
  1023. [18:01:52] Reviloja753: does anything use mach punch
  1024. [18:01:53] Reviloja753: besides conk
  1025. [18:01:58] #snake_rattler: no
  1026. [18:01:59] Neapolitan_Blood: ok this is gonna sound stupid
  1027. [18:02:01] Reviloja753: cool
  1028. [18:02:05] Neapolitan_Blood: but prankster is maaaaybe worth considering......?
  1029. [18:02:05] Kadew: real question I have is how much time is alloted for art in these speedy caps? last i remember it was "however long it took for people to eat thanksgiving dinner"
  1030. [18:02:05] #snake_rattler: but you can't block all priority
  1031. [18:02:10] Reviloja753: im ok with losing to conk anyway
  1032. [18:02:25] GW8: Unburden would help out against offense, though.
  1033. [18:02:31] Reviloja753: stop talking unburden
  1034. [18:02:32] Reviloja753: its lame
  1035. [18:02:34] Sandshine: poison/ground allows for belch to be a viable option as well as being immune to toxic to wear us down or thunder wave if we want to go offensive
  1036. [18:02:40] Neapolitan_Blood: unburden does seem interesting though
  1037. [18:02:41] +atha: unburden would need to hit reaaaally hard
  1038. [18:02:43] Reviloja753: hmm interesting
  1039. [18:02:43] Neapolitan_Blood: its worth at least considering
  1040. [18:02:47] #snake_rattler: sub + torrent or stuff cheeks + unburden
  1041. [18:02:52] #snake_rattler: are both interesting
  1042. [18:03:00] Reviloja753: they are
  1043. [18:03:07] @mxmts: let's try to avoid talking about about abilties for now
  1044. [18:03:11] Reviloja753: ^
  1045. [18:03:13] +atha: type poll ?
  1046. [18:03:18] Reviloja753: Poison/Ground seems cool
  1047. [18:03:19] Reviloja753: Id be down
  1048. [18:03:25] #snake_rattler: why that?
  1049. [18:03:26] Reviloja753: allows Belch as a potential option if we so choose
  1050. [18:03:30] +atha: weak to priorities though
  1051. [18:03:31] #snake_rattler: always down for poison ground
  1052. [18:03:37] Mova: poison/ground
  1053. [18:03:38] #snake_rattler: poison / dark as someone mentioned before
  1054. [18:03:38] Sandshine: just jet, no?
  1055. [18:03:38] Mova: nice
  1056. [18:03:40] Reviloja753: not as good as blocking priority
  1057. [18:03:43] Zapalidoo: A new fairy dragon?
  1058. [18:03:45] Sandshine: ice shard i guess
  1059. [18:03:45] Reviloja753: poison/dark also works well
  1060. [18:03:54] #snake_rattler: i'm liking water / dark, poison / dark
  1061. [18:04:05] Neapolitan_Blood: im gonna get beat up for this but im confused to the point where
  1062. [18:04:06] Reviloja753: im liking those plus normal/water, normal/ghost
  1063. [18:04:07] GW8: Ice/Fighting would be cool to check most of the meta.
  1064. [18:04:10] Neapolitan_Blood: im honestly just voting for personal reasons
  1065. [18:04:16] Reviloja753: Depends on if we wanna be immune to sneak or just resist
  1066. [18:04:18] Neapolitan_Blood: these personal reasons include:
  1067. [18:04:21] SizeCrunchNumber: Ice Fighting is actually pretty nice
  1068. [18:04:23] Reviloja753: or
  1069. [18:04:23] Neapolitan_Blood: - art lol
  1070. [18:04:24] +atha: dark is def good for sneak and spunch
  1071. [18:04:25] Reviloja753: what if
  1072. [18:04:27] Mova: tl poll posted on the forums
  1073. [18:04:27] Reviloja753: we go for the chad
  1074. [18:04:28] Sandshine: i think priority weakness isnt necessarily a bad thing
  1075. [18:04:29] Reviloja753: normal/dark
  1076. [18:04:36] Sandshine: to allow for some avenue of counterplay
  1077. [18:04:53] GW8: ^
  1078. [18:04:59] Reviloja753: Band Ice Shard exists from clant
  1079. [18:05:04] Reviloja753: and can pick you off
  1080. [18:05:07] @mxmts: So for our type poll, how does Normal/Water, Normal/Ghost, Dark/Water, Poison Dark sounc?
  1081. [18:05:10] Sandshine: exactly
  1082. [18:05:14] Reviloja753: I like that mx
  1083. [18:05:16] Sandshine: put in poison/ground my guy
  1084. [18:05:19] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont like normal/ghost
  1085. [18:05:21] Neapolitan_Blood: but ok
  1086. [18:05:21] Sandshine: its that hype type
  1087. [18:05:23] Reviloja753: maybe put poison/ground
  1088. [18:05:26] Reviloja753: up to u
  1089. [18:05:33] SizeCrunchNumber: Sounds like a good mix
  1090. [18:05:34] Neapolitan_Blood: whats everyone voting for
  1091. [18:05:36] Kadew: you don't have to like every option in the poll, but is there a reason you think it isn't viable?
  1092. [18:05:45] +atha: I think it would be better being weak to some priorities and passing defensive mons better
  1093. [18:05:48] +pip7: pois dark is always hottest typing
  1094. [18:05:51] Neapolitan_Blood: kadew
  1095. [18:05:54] Neapolitan_Blood: im honestly just confused
  1096. [18:05:57] SizeCrunchNumber: Priority isn't really big in this metageame
  1097. [18:05:58] +pip7: unless elec flying is up there
  1098. [18:06:05] +pip7: =]
  1099. [18:06:05] Reviloja753: again
  1100. [18:06:07] Reviloja753: ice shard clant
  1101. [18:06:08] Reviloja753: exists
  1102. [18:06:16] Sandshine: yes and that's bad why?
  1103. [18:06:18] #snake_rattler: poison / dark is really neat
  1104. [18:06:18] SizeCrunchNumber: It's pretty much just Syclant and occasionally Colossoil
  1105. [18:06:26] Reviloja753: and for normal/water and dark/water theres also mach punch conk
  1106. [18:06:31] #snake_rattler: i'd just resist aegislash's shadow sneak
  1107. [18:06:31] Kadew: i'm confused by competittive discussion too, that's why i just sit back and let the discussion wash over me until the poll goes up
  1108. [18:06:32] GW8: Ice/Fighting resists Syclant Ice Shard
  1109. [18:06:38] +pip7: im writing in elec flying
  1110. [18:06:40] #snake_rattler: that's the bulkiest mon and the biggest priority headache
  1111. [18:06:50] +pip7: whats the concept again
  1112. [18:06:55] Neapolitan_Blood: haha wait
  1113. [18:06:56] SUNmyser: underutilized item
  1114. [18:06:58] Reviloja753: we're using pinch berries
  1115. [18:06:58] Neapolitan_Blood: lets just slap dazzling on it
  1116. [18:06:59] #snake_rattler: pinch berries
  1117. [18:07:04] Neapolitan_Blood: and i secretly get my underused ability wish
  1118. [18:07:19] +atha: no dazzling makes the concept disappear
  1119. [18:07:24] Neapolitan_Blood: atha
  1120. [18:07:25] @mxmts: Alright, the poll will begin in a minute if no one has anything to add!
  1121. [18:07:26] Neapolitan_Blood: did i really have
  1122. [18:07:27] GW8: Normal/Dark?
  1123. [18:07:27] Neapolitan_Blood: to add a /s
  1124. [18:07:35] Sandshine: whats the options looking like mx
  1125. [18:07:40] Kadew: maybe don't muddy a serious discussion with crapposting?
  1126. [18:07:45] Neapolitan_Blood: i have made several jokes that people have taken seriously
  1127. [18:07:47] Kadew: if you don't want to be taken seriously
  1128. [18:07:51] Neapolitan_Blood: excuse me for being a funny guy
  1129. [18:07:53] +atha: okok nvm
  1130. [18:07:55] Neapolitan_Blood: i thought i was being obvious enough
  1131. [18:07:58] GW8: 4x weak to Conk, but it ain't gonna beat Conk anyways.
  1132. [18:07:58] Kadew: funny means people laughed :V
  1133. [18:08:00] @mxmts: The ones I mentioned+ Poison/Ground
  1134. [18:08:03] Reviloja753: Ye
  1135. [18:08:06] Neapolitan_Blood: yeah and people did laugh
  1136. [18:08:09] Neapolitan_Blood: im people, am i not?
  1137. [18:08:09] Reviloja753: thats the play mx
  1138. [18:08:16] #snake_rattler: where did you mention those mx
  1139. [18:08:17] Kadew: no, you're person.
  1140. [18:08:24] Kadew: also laughing at your own jokes is tacky
  1141. [18:08:30] GW8: Normal/Dark beats Sneak Aegis
  1142. [18:08:34] Neapolitan_Blood: so is having an argument with someone over jokes
  1143. [18:08:41] #snake_rattler: normal / dark is redundant
  1144. [18:08:50] Kadew: ok
  1145. [18:08:52] Reviloja753: i said normal/dark as a joke
  1146. [18:08:56] #snake_rattler: Kadew, Neapolitan_Blood, go to pms if you want to argue
  1147. [18:09:03] Neapolitan_Blood: well good thing for me i don't
  1148. [18:09:04] @mxmts: /announce Time for Typing Polls!
  1149. [18:09:09] Neapolitan_Blood: i only argue about 1 thing
  1150. [18:09:11] Neapolitan_Blood: fakemon design
  1151. [18:09:12] GW8: Sigh okay
  1152. [18:09:17] mxmts used /poll create Typing Poll 1, Normal/Water, Normal/Ghost, Dark/Water, Poison Dark, Poison/Ground
  1153. [18:09:17] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1154. [18:09:23] Neapolitan_Blood: shoot uhhhh
  1155. [18:09:30] #snake_rattler: this is where i wish i could rank votes like in normal proess
  1156. [18:09:31] #Jho: oo im late whats the concept
  1157. [18:09:31] Neapolitan_Blood: theres no slash
  1158. [18:09:34] Neapolitan_Blood: between poison and dark
  1159. [18:09:39] +atha: please don't vote normal ghost
  1160. [18:09:39] Sandshine: pinch berries
  1161. [18:09:45] Neapolitan_Blood: i will not vote normal ghost
  1162. [18:09:48] Neapolitan_Blood: uhhh
  1163. [18:09:53] Neapolitan_Blood: can someone tell me whats winning im just gonna go with the crowd
  1164. [18:09:54] Sandshine: normal/ghost is just a meme
  1165. [18:09:56] GW8: Jho it's underutilized item
  1166. [18:10:01] GW8: Pinch Berries
  1167. [18:10:03] Neapolitan_Blood: im just really confused
  1168. [18:10:10] #Jho: oooh fun one
  1169. [18:10:11] #snake_rattler: also protip: if you hate how the poll goes up the screen, just scroll up a little bit
  1170. [18:10:16] #snake_rattler: it'll stop the chat from autoscrolling up
  1171. [18:10:18] Neapolitan_Blood: screw it uhhhh
  1172. [18:10:28] Neapolitan_Blood: i made the wrong choice dangit
  1173. [18:10:35] +pip7: noob
  1174. [18:10:41] Neapolitan_Blood: should've gone poison/dark
  1175. [18:10:44] Neapolitan_Blood: smh my head
  1176. [18:10:48] Reviloja753: I suspect a r2
  1177. [18:10:50] Reviloja753: with top 3
  1178. [18:10:57] Neapolitan_Blood: oh in that case
  1179. [18:11:00] GW8: Dark would probably be better against Sneak Aegis than Normal would.
  1180. [18:11:03] Neapolitan_Blood: i just helped poison/ground up a bit
  1181. [18:11:08] @mxmts: Let's start round 2
  1182. [18:11:12] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Typing Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Normal&#x2f;Water</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:15px"></span><small>&nbsp;5%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Normal&#x2f;Ghost</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:96px"></span><small>&nbsp;32%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Dark&#x2f;Water</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Poison Dark</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:96px"></span><small>&nbsp;32%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Poison&#x2f;Ground</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div></div>
  1183. [18:11:12] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1184. [18:11:16] Sandshine: thats not a bad thing neapolitan
  1185. [18:11:20] Neapolitan_Blood: no it isn't
  1186. [18:11:20] @mxmts: close one
  1187. [18:11:23] GW8: The ability to ko back is bigger than an immunity.
  1188. [18:11:56] mxmts used /poll create Typing Poll 2, Normal/Ghost, Poison/Dark, Poison/Ground
  1189. [18:11:56] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1190. [18:12:09] wulfanator72: what is the concept?
  1191. [18:12:14] Neapolitan_Blood: underused item
  1192. [18:12:17] Neapolitan_Blood: pinch berries specifically
  1193. [18:12:18] Sandshine: thunderwave immunity boys
  1194. [18:12:20] #snake_rattler: underutilized items: pinch berry
  1195. [18:12:26] Neapolitan_Blood: i am happy with 2/3 of these
  1196. [18:12:28] Neapolitan_Blood: and thankfully
  1197. [18:12:31] Neapolitan_Blood: it is the 2/3 that are winning
  1198. [18:12:39] GW8: Poison for Clef OwO
  1199. [18:12:43] Sandshine: also rocks resistance so its less risky trying to get into range
  1200. [18:12:49] Neapolitan_Blood: poison for jumb poison for jumb
  1201. [18:12:49] wulfanator72: gotta have that belch access
  1202. [18:13:01] GW8: Oh shit.
  1203. [18:13:04] +atha: Please make so it's not helped by dug
  1204. [18:13:24] Neapolitan_Blood: we need more dugtrio
  1205. [18:13:32] GW8: Arena Trap is toxic. No.
  1206. [18:13:35] Neapolitan_Blood: vote poison/ground so we get poisonous dugtrio
  1207. [18:13:38] Neapolitan_Blood: yeh toxic
  1208. [18:13:39] Neapolitan_Blood: just like poison type
  1209. [18:13:42] @mxmts: I think this is enogh for this round
  1210. [18:13:48] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Typing Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Normal&#x2f;Ghost</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:60px"></span><small>&nbsp;20%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Poison&#x2f;Dark</strong> <small>(11 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:165px"></span><small>&nbsp;55%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Poison&#x2f;Ground</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div></div>
  1211. [18:13:48] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1212. [18:13:48] Neapolitan_Blood: AND ALSO LET ME ADD
  1213. [18:13:51] Sandshine: colo is just biglett
  1214. [18:13:51] Neapolitan_Blood: ./s
  1215. [18:13:54] GW8: Poison/Dark hype
  1216. [18:13:56] @mxmts: one more round
  1217. [18:14:00] +atha: ability ?
  1218. [18:14:01] #snake_rattler: do we need another?
  1219. [18:14:02] +Quanyails: One more round is unneeded here.
  1220. [18:14:04] #snake_rattler: that got majority
  1221. [18:14:04] Neapolitan_Blood: time to start thinking of poison/dark concepts
  1222. [18:14:05] SizeCrunchNumber: No
  1223. [18:14:10] Sandshine: no another round is good :)
  1224. [18:14:11] #snake_rattler: p/d got majority
  1225. [18:14:15] +Quanyails: Poison/Dark has more votes than the sum of the other options.
  1226. [18:14:15] Reviloja753: Yea poison/dark got more than the other two combined
  1227. [18:14:30] GW8: Poison/Dark has majority.
  1228. [18:14:31] @mxmts: oh, yeah, I misread
  1229. [18:14:35] Sandshine: what are the arguments for poison/dark anyway
  1230. [18:14:37] Neapolitan_Blood: just had an idea that might be more fitting of a part steel but i might go for it
  1231. [18:14:38] @mxmts: sorry
  1232. [18:14:40] Reviloja753: its ok
  1233. [18:14:51] Reviloja753: Ability time
  1234. [18:14:53] SizeCrunchNumber: So Primary ability now?
  1235. [18:14:55] Reviloja753: ye
  1236. [18:14:57] @mxmts: /announce Now we move on to abilities
  1237. [18:14:59] #snake_rattler: unburden
  1238. [18:15:01] Neapolitan_Blood: unburden
  1239. [18:15:02] Sandshine: Harvest
  1240. [18:15:04] +atha: unburden is a go to
  1241. [18:15:09] Zapalidoo: glutteny
  1242. [18:15:10] +atha: harvest is bad
  1243. [18:15:10] Neapolitan_Blood: with the power of my stand, Harvest--
  1244. [18:15:19] +atha: ripen can also work
  1245. [18:15:21] Sandshine: what do you mean we just click stuff cheeks all game
  1246. [18:15:24] GW8: Hustle?
  1247. [18:15:33] #snake_rattler: pinch berry must be a sweeper
  1248. [18:15:34] Neapolitan_Blood: wait a minute
  1249. [18:15:36] Reviloja753: Unburden, Harvest, Gluttony, Ripen,
  1250. [18:15:38] Neapolitan_Blood: i actually do like harvest though
  1251. [18:15:39] #snake_rattler: and we don't have a type that has a pinch ability
  1252. [18:15:43] SizeCrunchNumber: Guts
  1253. [18:15:45] #Jho: cheek puch also exist
  1254. [18:15:49] #Jho: pouch*
  1255. [18:15:49] Reviloja753: Cheek Pouch
  1256. [18:15:52] Neapolitan_Blood: even if its a sweeper you can just spam stuff cheeks or reuse pinch berries or whatever--
  1257. [18:15:56] GW8: Ooo.
  1258. [18:15:57] Zapalidoo: I'm liking ripen more now actually
  1259. [18:16:04] Neapolitan_Blood: cheek pouch looking neat
  1260. [18:16:10] GW8: Cheek Pouch for Primary.
  1261. [18:16:16] #Jho: how come
  1262. [18:16:17] Neapolitan_Blood: i think i'll stick with unburden here though
  1263. [18:16:18] Sandshine: Berserk would be kinda cool
  1264. [18:16:48] #snake_rattler: unburden may be generic but i think it'd yield the best overall mon
  1265. [18:16:52] #Jho: there could be some belly drum gluttony type stuff
  1266. [18:16:54] GW8: I'm thinking of a Poison/Dark squirrel.
  1267. [18:17:03] #snake_rattler: it also forces the pinch berry gimmick a little harder
  1268. [18:17:07] Neapolitan_Blood: i think ive got my art concept
  1269. [18:17:09] Neapolitan_Blood: unless we get ripen
  1270. [18:17:10] #snake_rattler: especially if the mon can't boost
  1271. [18:17:16] GW8: True.
  1272. [18:17:17] Neapolitan_Blood: which absolutely ruins my idea but shhh
  1273. [18:17:21] +atha: I agree
  1274. [18:17:22] @mxmts: I think Unburden is generally the better ability, but one that directly affects berries would be safer for the concept
  1275. [18:17:31] Kadew: ripen for +2 berries is neat
  1276. [18:17:33] #snake_rattler: if the mon can't boost, why would it run another item
  1277. [18:17:39] Gravity Monkey: back
  1278. [18:17:53] Reviloja753: I think if we do unburden we cant give any direct setup
  1279. [18:17:57] Gravity Monkey: so how does the cap look like rn
  1280. [18:18:05] Reviloja753: its a poison/dark that uses pinch berries
  1281. [18:18:06] GW8: Ripen would be good in that aspect.
  1282. [18:18:06] Neapolitan_Blood: i think we don't give it direct setup either way
  1283. [18:18:14] Neapolitan_Blood: +1 atk +2 def unburden
  1284. [18:18:15] Gravity Monkey: Poison Dark all right
  1285. [18:18:18] Sandshine: Harvest is the play though
  1286. [18:18:39] SizeCrunchNumber: We don't need Jumbao cores to be better. No Harvest
  1287. [18:18:49] #snake_rattler: (stuff cheeks + unburden) ez
  1288. [18:18:50] Neapolitan_Blood: ok im officially 100% against harvest
  1289. [18:18:54] Neapolitan_Blood: i dont even play the game anymore and
  1290. [18:18:59] Neapolitan_Blood: no more jumbao
  1291. [18:19:02] GW8: Fair enough.
  1292. [18:19:04] Neapolitan_Blood: instead
  1293. [18:19:08] Sandshine: Cheek Pouch could be neat if we try something a bit more bulky
  1294. [18:19:10] Reviloja753: I dont like harvest
  1295. [18:19:12] #Jho: I think gluttony / Cheek Pouch actually sounds like better sweeper options due to the defensive utility they add allowing for more set up oppurtunities
  1296. [18:19:12] Neapolitan_Blood: more dugtrio THATS RIGHT IT WAS REALLY PURE GROUND ALL ALONG
  1297. [18:19:14] Reviloja753: Cheek Pouch I like a lot
  1298. [18:19:15] +atha: Harvest would be bad anyway
  1299. [18:19:17] #Jho: if we're gonna go that right
  1300. [18:19:32] Neapolitan_Blood: gluttony feels like
  1301. [18:19:36] Neapolitan_Blood: anti-stuff cheeks
  1302. [18:19:40] #snake_rattler: but for gluttony and cheek pouch, what stops other berries
  1303. [18:19:42] Neapolitan_Blood: and im really liking how stuff cheeks looks
  1304. [18:19:51] Neapolitan_Blood: i think snakes got a point on the whole unburden thing
  1305. [18:20:01] Sandshine: thats fair
  1306. [18:20:08] #snake_rattler: i think unburden is best if we disallow other setup
  1307. [18:20:08] #snake_rattler: what other item would you run if you can't boost
  1308. [18:20:10] GW8: Does Stuffed Cheeks activate pinch berries at full HP?
  1309. [18:20:21] #snake_rattler: let's find out
  1310. [18:20:23] Sandshine: sash, potentially
  1311. [18:20:29] Sandshine: depending on moves
  1312. [18:20:48] Reviloja753: Depending on moves, white herb
  1313. [18:20:50] Sandshine: also terrain berries depending on stats
  1314. [18:21:15] Gravity Monkey: but then you wouldn't get an atk/spa boost
  1315. [18:21:26] Reviloja753: depending on stats it might not need it
  1316. [18:21:27] +atha: and not sweep
  1317. [18:21:27] #snake_rattler: right, but you're just doubling your speed for what
  1318. [18:21:36] +atha: Yeah snake is right
  1319. [18:21:40] #snake_rattler: you can't sweep effectively without attack boost
  1320. [18:21:46] +atha: No power = no sweep
  1321. [18:21:50] #snake_rattler: we can really nail this with unburden
  1322. [18:22:13] Zapalidoo: Pls ripen needs love
  1323. [18:22:44] +atha: tbh ripen also works for the concept
  1324. [18:22:51] #Jho: so the argument for unburden is because w/ no set-up we can force it to use a berry?
  1325. [18:22:53] +atha: like what else do you use ?
  1326. [18:22:56] Sandshine: you could also want to be a defensive mon that wants to check and outspeed specific things
  1327. [18:23:05] #snake_rattler: correct
  1328. [18:23:08] Gravity Monkey: brb
  1329. [18:23:12] SizeCrunchNumber: Jho, that would be the idea
  1330. [18:23:25] GW8: Stuffed Cheeks activates Pinch Berries at full HP. Let's go.
  1331. [18:23:31] #snake_rattler: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1060143320
  1332. [18:23:59] @mxmts: Alright, how does Unburden, Gluttony, Cheeck Pouch sound for the poll?
  1333. [18:24:05] GW8: Ripen would really help.
  1334. [18:24:12] #snake_rattler: ripen fwiw would work
  1335. [18:24:17] GW8: Since it may not get setup.
  1336. [18:24:25] Reviloja753: sounds good mx
  1337. [18:24:26] #snake_rattler: actually sure, ripen could work
  1338. [18:24:30] Reviloja753: and ripen
  1339. [18:24:31] Neapolitan_Blood: time to grab my tablet
  1340. [18:24:35] #snake_rattler: it'd be different but it could work?
  1341. [18:24:41] Neapolitan_Blood: i just realized a way to bs ripen anyway for my idea
  1342. [18:24:42] Sandshine: I really want to explore Berserk but this may not be the flashcap for that
  1343. [18:24:48] #snake_rattler: still think unburden is the clearest way
  1344. [18:24:57] GW8: Yeah.
  1345. [18:24:58] #Jho: assuming stuffed cheeks is a whole bunch of poll jumping, tho
  1346. [18:25:07] Neapolitan_Blood: i mean yeah but
  1347. [18:25:08] Neapolitan_Blood: lets be honest
  1348. [18:25:11] +atha: Maybe just get both ripen and unburden ?
  1349. [18:25:11] Neapolitan_Blood: we're getting stuffed cheeks
  1350. [18:25:15] @mxmts: /announce Primary ability poll time!
  1351. [18:25:18] mxmts used /poll create Primary ability, Unburden, Gluttony, Cheeck Pouch, Ripen
  1352. [18:25:18] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1353. [18:25:22] Neapolitan_Blood: like theres almost no way we aren't
  1354. [18:25:22] GW8: Are we gonna add Stuffed Cheeks?
  1355. [18:25:35] +atha: prob
  1356. [18:25:40] Neapolitan_Blood: time to submit my bad art
  1357. [18:25:42] Neapolitan_Blood: and inevitably lose
  1358. [18:25:57] +pip7: wheres harvest
  1359. [18:25:59] #Jho: its good practice not to talk abt moves in ability stage
  1360. [18:26:01] Sandshine: we're gonna make slurpuff but instead of max attack you get 2 +2 boosts
  1361. [18:26:08] Neapolitan_Blood: CHEECK POUCH
  1362. [18:26:21] Reviloja753: Cheek Pouch I like
  1363. [18:26:28] Neapolitan_Blood: whats a cheek pouch
  1364. [18:26:32] Neapolitan_Blood: i only know cheeck pouch
  1365. [18:26:36] #snake_rattler: !dt Cheek Pouch
  1366. [18:26:36] |raw|<ul class="utilichart"><li class="result"><span class="col namecol"><a href="https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/abilities/cheekpouch">Cheek Pouch</a></span> <span class="col abilitydesccol">If this Pokemon eats a Berry, it restores 1/3 of its max HP after the Berry's effect.</span> </li><li style="clear:both"></li></ul>
  1367. [18:26:40] +atha: I don't like cheeck pouch
  1368. [18:26:44] Neapolitan_Blood: sigh
  1369. [18:26:47] Neapolitan_Blood: snake.
  1370. [18:26:50] +atha: doesn't force pinch
  1371. [18:26:59] #snake_rattler: pinch your cheek
  1372. [18:27:00] Neapolitan_Blood: i was making a joke.
  1373. [18:27:10] Neapolitan_Blood: i know what cheek pouch is
  1374. [18:27:12] %quziel: is there a summary of the cap so far
  1375. [18:27:13] SizeCrunchNumber: At the point we have Cheek Pouch, I'd probably rather go Sitrus
  1376. [18:27:27] #Jho: Pinch Berry user, Poison Dark quziel
  1377. [18:27:29] GW8: Cheek Pouch may be interesting if Recycle is added.
  1378. [18:27:38] #Jho: concept was underutilised items
  1379. [18:27:44] GW8: Otherwise, I don't see much use for it.
  1380. [18:27:48] @mxmts: altright, enough
  1381. [18:27:48] %quziel: by pinch we talking liechi or iapapa
  1382. [18:27:52] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Primary ability</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Unburden</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:117px"></span><small>&nbsp;39%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Gluttony</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:84px"></span><small>&nbsp;28%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Cheeck Pouch</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:66px"></span><small>&nbsp;22%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Ripen</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div></div>
  1383. [18:27:52] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1384. [18:27:54] #Jho: either
  1385. [18:27:59] #snake_rattler: liechi
  1386. [18:28:05] Neapolitan_Blood: hey by the way
  1387. [18:28:09] Neapolitan_Blood: do the same art rules apply
  1388. [18:28:11] #snake_rattler: or petaya or salac
  1389. [18:28:15] Neapolitan_Blood: between flashcap and real cap
  1390. [18:28:17] #snake_rattler: art is a lot more lax
  1391. [18:28:19] GW8: Second Poll
  1392. [18:28:23] Neapolitan_Blood: hell yeah
  1393. [18:28:45] SizeCrunchNumber: Unburden vs Gluttony. Lets go
  1394. [18:28:46] mxmts used /poll create Primary ability 2, Unburden, Gluttony
  1395. [18:28:46] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1396. [18:28:50] Sandshine: honestly iapapa is pretty cool too with unburden
  1397. [18:29:03] Sandshine: but a bit more risky
  1398. [18:29:03] %quziel: unburden will always use sitrus
  1399. [18:29:06] %quziel: rather htan iapapa
  1400. [18:29:09] Sandshine: yeah i guess
  1401. [18:29:13] %quziel: risk/reward is not in its favor
  1402. [18:29:19] +atha: sub liechi mostly
  1403. [18:29:21] Reviloja753: see heres the thing
  1404. [18:29:24] Reviloja753: what if
  1405. [18:29:26] Reviloja753: it wants to sweep
  1406. [18:29:38] Reviloja753: and it isnt hawlucha
  1407. [18:29:39] #snake_rattler: yeah but unburden forces pinch berry if no setup
  1408. [18:30:07] @mxmts: I think our winner is clear enough
  1409. [18:30:07] +atha: no setup = no belly drum = why the hell vote glutonny ?
  1410. [18:30:11] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Primary ability 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Unburden</strong> <small>(11 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:183px"></span><small>&nbsp;61%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Gluttony</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:117px"></span><small>&nbsp;39%</small></div></div>
  1411. [18:30:11] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1412. [18:30:20] #Jho: because moves arent decided yet
  1413. [18:30:27] +pip7: whyd gluttony beat cheek pouch when cheek pouch is a str8 upgrade
  1414. [18:30:36] Reiga: is there gonna be an art stage
  1415. [18:30:40] +pip7: oh nvm its pinch
  1416. [18:30:40] #snake_rattler: art is now
  1417. [18:30:42] #Jho: there is, reiga
  1418. [18:30:43] Reiga: yay
  1419. [18:30:43] @mxmts: /announce Our first ability has been chosen Unburden
  1420. [18:30:49] Neapolitan_Blood: ART IS NOW??
  1421. [18:30:59] +pip7: reiga dont listen
  1422. [18:30:59] Kadew: implying i haven't been sketching art this whole time before now
  1423. [18:31:08] Neapolitan_Blood: hey guys im gonna win art btw
  1424. [18:31:13] Neapolitan_Blood: and i can not put enough /s after that
  1425. [18:31:15] Reviloja753: Just pinged sun
  1426. [18:31:17] Reviloja753: in the discord
  1427. [18:31:23] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: OH!
  1428. [18:31:25] Reiga: do i have to do another page for supplementary art
  1429. [18:31:30] Neapolitan_Blood: i also just pinged sun
  1430. [18:31:31] Neapolitan_Blood: in the discord
  1431. [18:31:32] #snake_rattler: you do art while the rest of the other stages happen
  1432. [18:31:33] +Quanyails: Hmm, so much for hazmat opossum. :P
  1433. [18:31:33] SizeCrunchNumber: Art or Stats at this point?
  1434. [18:31:35] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: is this how we choose the new CAP mon?
  1435. [18:31:38] #snake_rattler: no
  1436. [18:31:39] Reviloja753: no
  1437. [18:31:42] #snake_rattler: this is an abridged process
  1438. [18:31:46] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: then...
  1439. [18:31:46] #snake_rattler: called a FlashCAP
  1440. [18:31:47] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: oh
  1441. [18:31:48] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: ok
  1442. [18:31:50] %quziel: this is just something fun to do while we wait for the next proper cap to start
  1443. [18:31:51] #snake_rattler: but!
  1444. [18:31:51] %quziel: basicaly
  1445. [18:31:55] #snake_rattler: we're about to start an actual cap
  1446. [18:31:57] GW8: Yeah.
  1447. [18:32:04] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: ok!
  1448. [18:32:14] GW8: IDK how to contribute to CAP 28, though.
  1449. [18:32:15] #snake_rattler: you can learn how we do things for real by participating here
  1450. [18:32:22] #snake_rattler: https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/create-a-pokemon-project.66/
  1451. [18:32:26] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: ok,this does help a lot
  1452. [18:32:37] #Jho: oh now i really want a hazmat opposum
  1453. [18:32:40] #Jho: :sad:
  1454. [18:32:51] Sandshine: opossums are kinda cool tbh
  1455. [18:33:04] Sandshine: if we did harvest i'd have made the grim reaper tbh
  1456. [18:33:08] +atha: What are the arguments for glutonny ?
  1457. [18:33:24] +pip7: bery
  1458. [18:33:25] %quziel: makes activating the berry more reliable
  1459. [18:33:26] GW8: Triggers Pinch Berries.
  1460. [18:33:40] #Jho: defensive utility / bdrum stuff / more reliable
  1461. [18:33:49] Reviloja753: Alright so
  1462. [18:33:51] +atha: ok fair
  1463. [18:33:59] Reviloja753: Do we wait for art or do we start stat
  1464. [18:34:20] Gravity Monkey: has the ability been decided
  1465. [18:34:28] #snake_rattler: unburden
  1466. [18:34:28] SizeCrunchNumber: Unburden
  1467. [18:34:30] Reviloja753: its Unburden
  1468. [18:34:40] Gravity Monkey: ayt ayt
  1469. [18:34:57] +pip7: unburden stuff cheeks petaya is prob one of the hottest setup moves ever
  1470. [18:35:21] +pip7: +2 def +1 spa +2 speed
  1471. [18:35:33] +atha: looks cool
  1472. [18:35:42] +atha: as f
  1473. [18:35:47] GW8: What's the Pinch Berry for Attack?
  1474. [18:35:51] %quziel: liechi
  1475. [18:35:51] #Jho: liechi
  1476. [18:35:54] +pip7: that + cm + double stabs is fun
  1477. [18:35:57] GW8: Okay.
  1478. [18:36:02] #Jho: everything gangsta until pex clicks haze
  1479. [18:36:13] +atha: Can make body press usefull too
  1480. [18:36:23] Gravity Monkey: i don't think we should give it set up options outside of cheek pouch
  1481. [18:36:24] @mxmts: /announce Alright, let's begin the art stage, this will run alongside our next discussions
  1482. [18:36:36] Gravity Monkey: how do we sub art btw
  1483. [18:36:40] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: hm...
  1484. [18:36:44] +atha: pex and argho are looking like BIG problems for this mons
  1485. [18:36:49] @mxmts: Put a link to the art
  1486. [18:36:55] #Jho: post art subs and i will display them
  1487. [18:37:00] GW8: Hmm.
  1488. [18:37:01] #Jho: with my secret powers
  1489. [18:37:14] Gravity Monkey: ayt so dark/poison type with unburden and cheek pouch
  1490. [18:37:21] Reviloja753: Well ok now we need to do stats right
  1491. [18:37:31] +atha: not cheek pouch
  1492. [18:37:39] Gravity Monkey: stuff cheeks mb
  1493. [18:37:50] #Jho: stuff cheeks hasnt been decided yet
  1494. [18:37:54] Reviloja753: ye
  1495. [18:37:58] @mxmts: /announce And while that is going on, let's also have a look at which are most important threats to our project and how we should deal with them
  1496. [18:38:05] #Jho: Toxapex
  1497. [18:38:07] SizeCrunchNumber: Arghonaut
  1498. [18:38:08] Reviloja753: Pex and Argh
  1499. [18:38:12] +atha: ^
  1500. [18:38:15] Sandshine: possibly libra
  1501. [18:38:18] Reviloja753: also Libra exists
  1502. [18:38:22] %quziel: Hippowdon
  1503. [18:38:24] #Jho: hard walls and threaten to stop sweeps with haze/circle throw
  1504. [18:38:27] Reviloja753: Oh, and if we are low, Band Clant picks us off
  1505. [18:38:28] SizeCrunchNumber: Arguably Tomohawk if it's physical
  1506. [18:38:32] Reviloja753: tomohawk is bad
  1507. [18:38:37] Reviloja753: never defensive
  1508. [18:38:40] Reviloja753: not anymor
  1509. [18:38:55] %quziel: corvi will also be an issue
  1510. [18:38:56] @mxmts: it will still annoy you a lot
  1511. [18:38:58] %quziel: depnding on coverage
  1512. [18:39:01] Reviloja753: true
  1513. [18:39:04] Reviloja753: haze is annoying
  1514. [18:39:13] Sandshine: anything that hazes or phazes could be a threat
  1515. [18:39:16] +atha: all of this is weak to electric
  1516. [18:39:19] #Jho: even offensive hawk is p fat enough to take a hit most of the time
  1517. [18:39:27] Sandshine: libra isnt weak to electric
  1518. [18:39:54] +atha: still electric coverage seems interesting
  1519. [18:39:55] GW8: Fire / Psychic coverage may be needed.
  1520. [18:40:07] Reviloja753: We shouldnt beat everything
  1521. [18:40:12] Sandshine: i think ferro could be dangerous depending on our statline
  1522. [18:40:13] GW8: True.
  1523. [18:40:14] +atha: yes
  1524. [18:40:16] Sandshine: because gyro
  1525. [18:40:19] Reviloja753: I dont think we should beat pex and argh
  1526. [18:40:20] Gravity Monkey: yeah fire seems overkill
  1527. [18:40:27] +atha: but you def want to deal with pex argho
  1528. [18:40:27] @sUnfished: can i get a tldr of the cap so far
  1529. [18:40:39] Reviloja753: poison/dark unburden that uses pinch berries
  1530. [18:40:42] Reviloja753: like salac or liechi
  1531. [18:40:49] +atha: I really don't agree reviloja
  1532. [18:40:50] @sUnfished: i saw cheek pouch mentioned
  1533. [18:41:05] Gravity Monkey: wait
  1534. [18:41:06] @sUnfished: also damn that's a neat concept
  1535. [18:41:07] SizeCrunchNumber: A CAP with the sort off boosting potential CAP does should probably keep Argh and Pex as checks
  1536. [18:41:23] #Jho: without setup its not going to beat pex rly
  1537. [18:41:31] Sandshine: colo will also be scary
  1538. [18:41:36] #Jho: unless its secretly xurkitree
  1539. [18:41:42] +atha: at +1 it can
  1540. [18:42:05] #snake_rattler: i must go
  1541. [18:42:13] GW8: F. Cya
  1542. [18:42:14] %quziel: I honeslty don't want pex as a check here
  1543. [18:42:20] @mxmts: cya snake
  1544. [18:42:21] +atha: me neither
  1545. [18:42:24] %quziel: beacuse like
  1546. [18:42:25] #snake_rattler: do this flashcap well fellow cappers
  1547. [18:42:37] %quziel: normally with a sweeper you build by going for "weaken checks until they can no longer stop your sweep"
  1548. [18:42:42] %quziel: and that isn't possible with epx
  1549. [18:43:03] GW8: Electric may be a good avenue.
  1550. [18:43:08] Sandshine: bolt beak
  1551. [18:43:10] Sandshine: tbh
  1552. [18:43:17] +atha: bolt beak NO
  1553. [18:43:21] #Jho: this isnt a stage to talk about moves fwiw
  1554. [18:43:22] SizeCrunchNumber: Not Bolt Beal
  1555. [18:43:23] Sandshine: kek
  1556. [18:43:24] GW8: Are we gonna go physical or special, though?
  1557. [18:43:27] #Jho: we should be establishing what we want to check us
  1558. [18:43:31] Sandshine: right
  1559. [18:43:40] %quziel: I'd like to push ground tupes
  1560. [18:43:41] +atha: ok, probably argho then ?
  1561. [18:43:45] SizeCrunchNumber: I'd prefer if at least Argh still punishes us
  1562. [18:43:49] +atha: to check us*
  1563. [18:43:56] @mxmts: Ground types sound reasonable
  1564. [18:44:01] +atha: yes
  1565. [18:44:02] Sandshine: yeah
  1566. [18:44:07] #Jho: Argh/Pex and either Tomohawk or Chansey depending on physical or special would be our hardest counters
  1567. [18:44:09] +atha: hippo, libra
  1568. [18:44:11] Sandshine: ground type deals with bulletproof libra too
  1569. [18:44:14] #Jho: then fat grounds such as Hippo and Libra
  1570. [18:44:15] @mxmts: chansey?
  1571. [18:44:20] SizeCrunchNumber: Chansey isn't in the metagame
  1572. [18:44:21] #Jho: yo im
  1573. [18:44:22] Sandshine: what is this chansey you speak of
  1574. [18:44:24] #Jho: so dense
  1575. [18:44:25] #Jho: ignore me
  1576. [18:44:31] Sandshine: never heard of that mon
  1577. [18:44:35] #Jho: ye me either
  1578. [18:44:38] #Jho: came up with it rn
  1579. [18:44:45] GW8: Should we let Exca check us?
  1580. [18:44:47] Sandshine: this isnt the place to plug your fakemons tbh
  1581. [18:44:50] Gravity Monkey: ok so about art, can i use a concept that ive made before but that hasn't served any purpose
  1582. [18:45:00] Gravity Monkey: *design not concept mb
  1583. [18:45:03] +atha: a fast offensive mon should beat exa anyway
  1584. [18:45:05] #Jho: im sorry :sad:
  1585. [18:45:07] @mxmts: Exca shouldn't be like our Dark STAB
  1586. [18:45:12] Sandshine: exca doesnt live much
  1587. [18:45:20] GW8: Oh.
  1588. [18:45:28] @mxmts: but it could prbably be a soft check
  1589. [18:45:29] SizeCrunchNumber: Unless it's sash, I don't think we can lose to Exca
  1590. [18:45:30] %quziel: I'd also argue for seis
  1591. [18:45:34] %quziel: being at least a soft check
  1592. [18:45:41] GW8: True.
  1593. [18:45:44] +atha: true
  1594. [18:45:46] #Jho: Oh ttar is also a very good check to our stabs
  1595. [18:45:48] SizeCrunchNumber: Seis should be a good check
  1596. [18:46:10] Sandshine: ttar may get bopped by ground but we'll have to calc during stats
  1597. [18:46:12] +atha: All this can be worn down so it's good
  1598. [18:46:20] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: A Fire Fairy type CAP would be nice
  1599. [18:46:34] @mxmts: Hippo sounds like a it should maybe be a full counter then
  1600. [18:46:48] GW8: I'm not sure what we can do to check Pex without checking Argo tbh.
  1601. [18:46:52] +atha: hippo and argho ?
  1602. [18:47:01] +atha: fairy
  1603. [18:47:02] Sandshine: snael might do things
  1604. [18:47:14] %quziel: eq? I guess?
  1605. [18:47:20] @mxmts: Sneal is not really important
  1606. [18:47:27] %quziel: sorry
  1607. [18:47:30] %quziel: poll jumping
  1608. [18:47:32] GW8: Oh wait. Argho already checks with Unaware.
  1609. [18:47:43] Sandshine: colo resists stabs and hits us back hard
  1610. [18:47:45] %quziel: to put it less explicitely, the two share weaknesses, but htey are not equivalent
  1611. [18:47:51] GW8: I guess Electric or Psychic can work as coverage.
  1612. [18:48:08] SizeCrunchNumber: Psychic coverage is incredibly dangerous
  1613. [18:48:35] +atha: Do we need a poll there ?
  1614. [18:48:45] SizeCrunchNumber: At that point, we lose Argh, Hawk, Pex, and potentially Hippo as checks
  1615. [18:48:48] Sandshine: if we go special
  1616. [18:48:52] Sandshine: kommo-o could be a problem
  1617. [18:48:53] +atha: not pex
  1618. [18:48:55] @mxmts: Not really, we just decide a list
  1619. [18:48:57] Gravity Monkey: ok can i reiterate my question
  1620. [18:49:16] GW8: Hawk is already lost as a check if we use Electric coverage.
  1621. [18:49:22] +atha: bulky grounds and argho
  1622. [18:49:25] Gravity Monkey: for art, can i use a design ive already made but that only served personal purposes
  1623. [18:49:45] +atha: argho walls even with elec coverage as it's got unaware
  1624. [18:50:06] @mxmts: I think Argho should always be able to phaze us, but we should still be able to deal heavy damage to it
  1625. [18:50:13] Neapolitan_Blood: is now too soon to be about done with art
  1626. [18:50:20] wulfanator72: aside from kommo, does dragon coverage mess anything up?
  1627. [18:50:32] @mxmts: Otherwise, I'd be hard to not be stopped by pex
  1628. [18:50:33] %quziel: agian, I'll note we can choose our coverage moves to pressure pex and not argh, and vice-versa
  1629. [18:50:43] Gravity Monkey: im just asking about rules
  1630. [18:50:52] SizeCrunchNumber: It should be fine
  1631. [18:50:57] @mxmts: yeah sure Gravity Monkey
  1632. [18:50:59] Sandshine: define heavy damage on argho
  1633. [18:51:08] Sandshine: 40%?
  1634. [18:51:10] %quziel: pex is weak to ground, argh is weak to flying, neither shares
  1635. [18:51:10] GW8: I'm thinking that Electric coverage is more balanced than Psychic.
  1636. [18:51:41] +atha: yh elec looks perfect ngl
  1637. [18:52:11] GW8: If Pex Hazes, it can pivot into counter setup.
  1638. [18:52:12] %quziel: again, preaching ground which nails pex but doesn't nail argh, and doesn't nail levi libra
  1639. [18:52:13] +atha: you threaten pex at +1, not as much as argho
  1640. [18:52:14] @mxmts: alright, so we beat pex, lose to argho and are generally checked by Ground-types
  1641. [18:52:32] @mxmts: Are we missing something?
  1642. [18:52:33] SizeCrunchNumber: Sounds good
  1643. [18:52:35] #Jho: ooo that sounds like a recipe for ground coverage
  1644. [18:52:39] +atha: yop
  1645. [18:53:00] Sandshine: if we go special we might lose to kommo-o but
  1646. [18:53:03] Sandshine: we'll see
  1647. [18:53:16] %quziel: sludge wave is an option
  1648. [18:53:20] Sandshine: i guess
  1649. [18:53:29] Sandshine: also mandibuzz might do things depending on how hard we hit
  1650. [18:53:36] +atha: belch too
  1651. [18:53:37] #Jho: most kom are soundproof these days anyway
  1652. [18:53:38] @mxmts: Does anyone have an opinion on Kommo-O? Should we just let it be?
  1653. [18:53:41] Sandshine: OH YEAH BELCH
  1654. [18:53:52] %quziel: I'd like kom as a soft check
  1655. [18:53:58] SizeCrunchNumber: Just let Komoo-O land where it lands
  1656. [18:54:00] %quziel: and it shares a lot with argh, so that makes sense
  1657. [18:54:12] Sandshine: i think that's fine
  1658. [18:54:53] +atha: yeah kommo looks like it wil be a soft check unless we run crazy with the movepool
  1659. [18:54:55] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: imagine a Pokemon focused SOLELY on berries?
  1660. [18:55:03] @mxmts: I think then it's time we move on to stats then
  1661. [18:55:32] +atha: both atk and spatk high up
  1662. [18:55:32] #Jho: alrighty time to whip out da bsr calc
  1663. [18:56:08] @mxmts: So first, Physical or Special?
  1664. [18:56:13] +atha: both ?
  1665. [18:56:15] %quziel: special imo
  1666. [18:56:20] Sandshine: i think special is more interesting because belch is cool
  1667. [18:56:25] GW8: Yeah.
  1668. [18:56:25] @mxmts: Special sounds better with Belch
  1669. [18:56:28] Sandshine: and arguably better STABs
  1670. [18:56:28] %quziel: if we want to bypass pex, we probably want to be specially oriented
  1671. [18:56:31] #Jho: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/cap-bsr-calculator-for-ultra-sun-ultra-moon.3614219/
  1672. [18:56:34] #Jho: link for BSR calc
  1673. [18:56:38] %quziel: also I heaviy doubt belch will be used over sludge wave
  1674. [18:56:40] %quziel: early game utility matters
  1675. [18:56:43] #Jho: we dont have a swsh one yet so USM will have to do
  1676. [18:56:44] SizeCrunchNumber: Special is probably better, especially since Hippo is mostly SpDef theses days
  1677. [18:57:56] %quziel: fwiw, 115 spA is the min needed to OHKO physdef pex with a 90 BP special move at +2
  1678. [18:57:59] %quziel: as a benchmark
  1679. [18:58:07] #Jho: Special lets us beat pex down more too, since they are mostly phys def no
  1680. [18:58:10] #Jho: now*
  1681. [18:58:45] %quziel: I will also raise a question; how do we ensure htat this mon abuses berries and not just band/specs
  1682. [18:59:00] +atha: Wanted : PEX, dead or alive
  1683. [18:59:21] +atha: pretty low speed ?
  1684. [18:59:31] %quziel: if we assume +2 speed
  1685. [18:59:33] GW8: 90 Speed?
  1686. [18:59:37] %quziel: do we want it to outrun scarf jumbao
  1687. [18:59:38] Sandshine: thats a SE special move right
  1688. [18:59:40] @mxmts: if we have less speed than dugtrio, sets that don't use unburden are going to have serious problems
  1689. [18:59:42] %quziel: ye
  1690. [18:59:56] @mxmts: that is a factor to consider
  1691. [19:00:12] GW8: Maybe 80 Speed
  1692. [19:00:24] +atha: yh somewhere around here
  1693. [19:00:38] @mxmts: I think I'd still want to be at least faster than Exca
  1694. [19:00:39] Sandshine: hmm
  1695. [19:00:49] @sUnfished: i might be heading out for like 2 hours. do yall think art will still be up by then or nah
  1696. [19:00:50] GW8: So would 90 work?
  1697. [19:00:53] Neapolitan_Blood: hey guys
  1698. [19:00:53] %quziel: you need 71 base speed to outrun scarf jumbao after unburden with modest/adamant
  1699. [19:00:56] Neapolitan_Blood: i have a question
  1700. [19:01:01] #Jho: Being slower than exca keeps sand rush variants as an offensive check
  1701. [19:01:03] %quziel: I think we don't want "fast" speed
  1702. [19:01:04] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: answer
  1703. [19:01:07] #Jho: which may be saught after
  1704. [19:01:07] Neapolitan_Blood: what else do you think i should give an example of in my scribbles alongside the drawing
  1705. [19:01:12] Neapolitan_Blood: ive already got unburden and stuff cheeks represented
  1706. [19:01:16] Neapolitan_Blood: along with a bit of general lore
  1707. [19:01:20] Reviloja753: I think 71 speed minimum
  1708. [19:01:22] Neapolitan_Blood: lore thoughts anyway
  1709. [19:01:28] GW8: Alright.
  1710. [19:01:41] Neapolitan_Blood: what else ya think i should represent with little scribbles
  1711. [19:01:41] @mxmts: Sunfished, I might be wrong, but I think art should be done by then
  1712. [19:01:47] %quziel: 71 min and 90 max feel like good bounds
  1713. [19:01:57] +atha: yes
  1714. [19:02:01] GW8: I'm going for 80 personally.
  1715. [19:02:03] %quziel: 115 spA is min to OHKO pex at +2 with a SE 90 BP move
  1716. [19:02:26] +atha: If you want some sweeping potential, you will need much more though
  1717. [19:02:29] %quziel: that said, we may very well wnat to go higher, as 115 isnt amazing atm
  1718. [19:02:32] Reviloja753: See
  1719. [19:02:39] Reviloja753: If we have good spa without setup
  1720. [19:02:45] Reviloja753: and unburden with decent speed
  1721. [19:02:48] Reviloja753: why run pinch berry
  1722. [19:02:53] %quziel: +2 252+ SpA Skuntank Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Hippowdon: 288-339 (68.5 - 80.7%)
  1723. [19:02:58] %quziel: this is 115+ vs hippo
  1724. [19:03:01] @sUnfished: ah rip. guess ill be sitting out on this one then
  1725. [19:03:07] #Jho: nooo :(
  1726. [19:03:16] Gravity Monkey: aren't we going to be only at +1 though?
  1727. [19:03:20] @sUnfished: it's cool! there's probably more opportunities later
  1728. [19:03:26] Reviloja753: see
  1729. [19:03:44] Reviloja753: If we are 115 spa with like 85 speed unburden
  1730. [19:03:52] Reviloja753: why run pinch berry
  1731. [19:03:52] %quziel: +1 would imply a legitimately insane spA stat to get the needed Kos
  1732. [19:04:05] GW8: Would 120 work?
  1733. [19:04:09] Gravity Monkey: but like
  1734. [19:04:10] Sandshine: yeah but berries give +1 so
  1735. [19:04:18] Reviloja753: See
  1736. [19:04:24] Gravity Monkey: isn't toxapex supposed to check it
  1737. [19:04:24] +atha: 120 still kinda weak
  1738. [19:04:31] Reviloja753: 120 spa is a lot
  1739. [19:04:39] Gravity Monkey: in ss it's a lot lol
  1740. [19:04:42] Reviloja753: thats togekiss numbers
  1741. [19:04:43] Reviloja753: lmao
  1742. [19:04:45] %quziel: toxapex isn't supposed to check it
  1743. [19:04:46] +atha: for a sweeper that is supposed to sweep at +1 ?
  1744. [19:04:58] Gravity Monkey: bruh really
  1745. [19:05:21] %quziel: its my belief that a sitrus abuser still fulfills the concept, although I know snake was preaching stuff cheeks + petaya
  1746. [19:05:26] #Jho: 120 is hella strong in this climate
  1747. [19:05:36] Gravity Monkey: we're supposed to make a mon that can only set up at +1 and kill toxapex with a non-stab with a low spa
  1748. [19:05:43] Gravity Monkey: it's just not possible
  1749. [19:05:46] SizeCrunchNumber: 102 actually gets the kill if rocks are up
  1750. [19:06:11] GW8: Hmm. Sounds feasible.
  1751. [19:06:11] +atha: I would put somewhere around 130, gengar spa
  1752. [19:06:18] %quziel: we're supposed to make a mon that uses pinch berries
  1753. [19:06:24] +atha: otherwise it'll be hard to pull off
  1754. [19:06:37] GW8: Setup sweepers usually rely on rocks to net optimal KO range.
  1755. [19:06:41] +atha: (I mean too hard)
  1756. [19:06:42] @mxmts: I think going a little higher on SpA is possible, our main STABs aren't that high powered
  1757. [19:06:51] Reviloja753: thats fine
  1758. [19:07:06] %quziel: I would argue that something like sitrus + spA boosting move fulfills the concept as well as petaya + sub
  1759. [19:07:10] #Jho: fwiw ik no set-up was talked abt earlier but we havent decided that at all yet
  1760. [19:07:11] #Jho: ye
  1761. [19:07:30] Sandshine: 130 Modest at +1 does 78.2 - 92.7% to pex with earth power
  1762. [19:07:35] Gravity Monkey: why would you use the berries if you have set up
  1763. [19:07:39] Gravity Monkey: that's kinda my point
  1764. [19:07:40] GW8: Calm Mind wouldn't be too bad.
  1765. [19:07:43] Neapolitan_Blood: you're a mean one
  1766. [19:07:44] %quziel: because unburden is borked
  1767. [19:07:44] Neapolitan_Blood: mr. hippo
  1768. [19:07:50] %quziel: and setup doesn't boost speed
  1769. [19:07:53] Neapolitan_Blood: im done btw uh
  1770. [19:07:54] Neapolitan_Blood: what now
  1771. [19:08:06] Kadew: post it in the discord so we can see, i'm curious what you've got
  1772. [19:08:17] Neapolitan_Blood: alright hang on
  1773. [19:08:29] Sandshine: stats isnt my strong suit tbh
  1774. [19:08:32] +atha: quziel is right
  1775. [19:09:16] @mxmts: yeah, I agree, having a way to boost speed is a good enough reason to try to use berries
  1776. [19:09:48] @mxmts: What about our bulk?
  1777. [19:09:52] +atha: so 71-90 speed, 120-130ish spa
  1778. [19:09:57] Neapolitan_Blood: posted
  1779. [19:09:58] %quziel: I think we can go highish on bulk
  1780. [19:10:02] Gravity Monkey: welp ig that as long as we don't give it stuff that would trigger white herb its fine
  1781. [19:10:53] GW8: I'm gonna throw out a frame to help guide this discussion.
  1782. [19:10:59] #Jho: mons typing has very little defensive utility so i think we can go up a bit
  1783. [19:11:09] #Jho: wrt bulk
  1784. [19:11:39] Aetherl: What's the typing again?
  1785. [19:11:43] Neapolitan_Blood: new question
  1786. [19:11:43] %quziel: skuntank typing
  1787. [19:11:45] GW8: 60/50/90/115/105/80 for a starting off point.
  1788. [19:11:47] Neapolitan_Blood: do flashcaps get pokedex entries
  1789. [19:11:48] #Jho: i think it should lean specially defensive tho otherwise its not going to get any setup oppurtunities with all the fairies/dreigon/kom/toxtricity etc
  1790. [19:11:52] Aetherl: Ty
  1791. [19:11:55] %quziel: ye
  1792. [19:11:59] %quziel: plus a lot of the mons we want checking us
  1793. [19:12:02] Neapolitan_Blood: if mine somehow wins
  1794. [19:12:02] %quziel: are physically biased
  1795. [19:12:06] +atha: As a comparison, for now, our stats are comparable to Roserade, Lucario, Rotom
  1796. [19:12:07] Neapolitan_Blood: im making a bite of 87 reference
  1797. [19:12:10] Neapolitan_Blood: and nobody can stop me
  1798. [19:13:06] @mxmts: iirc there are currently no viable users of seismic toss, right?
  1799. [19:13:16] +atha: yes
  1800. [19:13:18] #Jho: there are not
  1801. [19:13:21] GW8: Nope.
  1802. [19:13:24] Sandshine: no
  1803. [19:13:35] GW8: Chansey isn't in this game.
  1804. [19:13:46] Aetherl: Yet
  1805. [19:13:47] Sandshine: who?
  1806. [19:14:10] GW8: Closest thing is Corsola-Galar and Night Shade.
  1807. [19:14:14] @mxmts: then trying to go for a HP to avoid our subs breaking isn't important
  1808. [19:14:31] +atha: so 80hp, and then like 90sdef and 70 def, sth like that ?
  1809. [19:14:47] #Jho: u need 101hp max invest to not get subs broken iirc
  1810. [19:14:48] @mxmts: I'm not sure that's enough
  1811. [19:15:06] #Jho: idt thats plauisble or relevant enough
  1812. [19:15:07] +atha: Truly not important though
  1813. [19:15:28] @mxmts: no its really not relevant
  1814. [19:16:04] +atha: Togekiss stats are really close to ours
  1815. [19:16:05] GW8: Stuffed Cheeks is probably going to be used over Subs, anyways.
  1816. [19:16:09] +atha: !dt togekiss
  1817. [19:16:09] |raw|<div class="message"><ul class="utilichart"><li class="result"><span class="col numcol">OU</span> <span class="col iconcol"><psicon pokemon="togekiss"/></span> <span class="col pokemonnamecol" style="white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/togekiss" target="_blank">Togekiss</a></span> <span class="col typecol"><img src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fairy.png" alt="Fairy" height="14" width="32"><img src="https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Flying.png" alt="Flying" height="14" width="32"></span> <span style="float:left;min-height:26px"><span class="col twoabilitycol">Hustle<br />Serene Grace</span><span class="col abilitycol"><em>Super Luck</em></span></span><span style="float:left;min-height:26px"><span class="col statcol"><em>HP</em><br />85</span> <span class="col statcol"><em>Atk</em><br />50</span> <span class="col statcol"><em>Def</em><br />95</span> <span class="col statcol"><em>SpA</em><br />120</span> <span class="col statcol"><em>SpD</em><br />115</span> <span class="col statcol"><em>Spe</em><br />80</span> <span class="col bstcol"><em>BST<br />545</em></span> </span></li><li style="clear:both"></li></ul></div>
  1818. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 468&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 1.5 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 38 kg <em>(60 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> White&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Flying, Fairy&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Does Not Evolve</font></font>
  1819. [19:16:26] #Jho: susbstitute is globally learned and fine to assume, tho
  1820. [19:16:34] #Jho: apart from a very few niche cases
  1821. [19:16:56] #Jho: assuming stuffed cheeks at this pt is not good for da process
  1822. [19:17:15] @mxmts: yeah, that's poll jumping
  1823. [19:17:23] Neapolitan_Blood: me who assumed stuffed cheeks in my art:
  1824. [19:17:24] GW8: I guess so.
  1825. [19:18:10] #Jho: it appears my microsoft office subscription has ended and i have had to import the calc to google sheets
  1826. [19:18:13] #Jho: godbless google sheets
  1827. [19:18:19] GW8: Is this gonna be beefy?
  1828. [19:18:44] GW8: Like, big HP?
  1829. [19:18:58] #Jho: idt we should be too fat but some bulk is probably the way to go to ensure set up oppurtunities
  1830. [19:19:07] Trippy Soup: btw, 99 base HP max invest is enough for sub to not get KO'd by Seismic Toss. Just to let you know :P
  1831. [19:19:21] #Jho: ah i was 2hp off
  1832. [19:19:37] @mxmts: What about our physical bulk? I assume we want to be bulky enough to not worry about Aegislash Shadow Sneak
  1833. [19:19:50] %quziel: we are a dark type
  1834. [19:20:03] Reviloja753: yea
  1835. [19:20:09] Reviloja753: We need to be bulky enough
  1836. [19:20:36] Neapolitan_Blood: what of our stats even are gonna be high
  1837. [19:20:46] GW8: 100 HP / 70 Def / 95 SpDef?
  1838. [19:21:05] +atha: I'm out
  1839. [19:21:12] @mxmts: yeah, but if we are using pinch berries, we should be at 25% of our health during a sweep
  1840. [19:21:45] Neapolitan_Blood: the polljumping rules can get real messy
  1841. [19:21:56] Neapolitan_Blood: like. a lot of stuff changes between whether or not we get stuff cheeks or not
  1842. [19:22:05] Gravity Monkey: agreed
  1843. [19:22:07] GW8: Darn.
  1844. [19:22:10] GW8: Alright.
  1845. [19:22:20] #Jho: 103.761 135.1542597 83.36224486 153.803197 249.38860
  1846. [19:22:22] Neapolitan_Blood: ex: if we do, that 25% health thing isn't a worry
  1847. [19:22:29] #Jho: thats the bsrs im looking at
  1848. [19:22:38] #Jho: quite low overall
  1849. [19:22:43] Neapolitan_Blood: is that every stat besides hp or
  1850. [19:22:48] #Jho: PT/ST/PS/SS/BSR
  1851. [19:22:50] Gravity Monkey: also i don't see the point of making 101 subs since corsola basically doesn't exists at this point
  1852. [19:22:52] Neapolitan_Blood: PT?
  1853. [19:22:56] Neapolitan_Blood: ST? PS??
  1854. [19:23:08] #Jho: physical tankiness / special tankiness / physical sweepiness / special sweepiness
  1855. [19:23:09] %quziel: physical tankiness, special tankiness, physical sweepiness
  1856. [19:23:21] @mxmts: those are the metrics we use to measure stats
  1857. [19:23:28] Neapolitan_Blood: aah
  1858. [19:23:28] GW8: Oh.
  1859. [19:23:33] Neapolitan_Blood: i think the design i made can. fit that
  1860. [19:23:39] Neapolitan_Blood: ok ill be honest ive just entirely gone into flavor mode
  1861. [19:23:49] Neapolitan_Blood: so ill shut up
  1862. [19:23:51] #Jho: thats using a spread of 85/60/70/115/90/89
  1863. [19:24:23] NumberCruncher: I'd like PT to be less than 105
  1864. [19:24:40] NumberCruncher: Otherwise Hippo doesn't OK with EQ
  1865. [19:24:51] #Jho: 89 speed lets us outpace driller in sand fwiw
  1866. [19:24:58] #Jho: as long as we sacrifice power from modest
  1867. [19:25:35] Reviloja753: hmm
  1868. [19:25:40] #Jho: i think thats fine because outpacing driller is meaningless if we havent killed / chipped the sand setter down because both ttar+hippo are good checks
  1869. [19:25:49] Neapolitan_Blood: one thing i just thought of is
  1870. [19:25:55] Neapolitan_Blood: i know this might be a little polljumpy
  1871. [19:26:02] GW8: IG we can do 510 BST with 61 Atk.
  1872. [19:26:07] Neapolitan_Blood: but without stuff cheeks we gotta live a hit that brings us down to 25% or less
  1873. [19:26:08] NumberCruncher: My spread is 80/67/74/120/100/84
  1874. [19:26:16] @mxmts: so who else has any submissions ready or is working on one?
  1875. [19:26:21] Neapolitan_Blood: you mean like
  1876. [19:26:22] Neapolitan_Blood: art subs?
  1877. [19:26:23] Reviloja753: Im gonna be working on one
  1878. [19:26:25] Neapolitan_Blood: no of course you dont
  1879. [19:26:30] GW8: Jho has a fine spread.
  1880. [19:26:32] Reviloja753: Question: How much do we want sneak doing
  1881. [19:26:32] @mxmts: I mean on stats
  1882. [19:27:16] Reviloja753: Cause idk if we're ok with it doing 15
  1883. [19:27:22] Reviloja753: if we're in pinch berry range
  1884. [19:27:25] NumberCruncher: Shadow Sneak? We're Dark type, so is that relevant?
  1885. [19:27:38] Reviloja753: aegislash is still 140 attack
  1886. [19:27:47] GW8: It takes a Sneak and can OHKO back.
  1887. [19:28:00] @mxmts: because if we want to activate a pinch berry, we're going to be at very low health
  1888. [19:28:06] GW8: All it needs to do is be able to take one Sneak.
  1889. [19:28:17] @mxmts: although 15% is just fine
  1890. [19:29:06] #Jho: i wanted to draw parralels from hydreigons spread but holy is that mon optimised bsr wise
  1891. [19:29:40] %quziel: ok
  1892. [19:29:42] %quziel: new idea
  1893. [19:29:54] %quziel: 92/55/90/125/90/78
  1894. [19:29:56] %quziel: perfect
  1895. [19:30:05] #Jho: :eyes:
  1896. [19:30:10] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: what type again?
  1897. [19:30:14] #Jho: Posion/Dark
  1898. [19:30:24] NumberCruncher: Less than 84 speed sets us lower than Kommo-O , since that was brought up earlier
  1899. [19:30:25] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: dies to EQ ez
  1900. [19:30:35] #Jho: yes thats the point
  1901. [19:30:38] GW8: 85/45/70/115/90/85
  1902. [19:30:48] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: A Fire Fairy type CAP would be nice
  1903. [19:31:05] GW8: Jho's statline probably fits better tbh.
  1904. [19:32:06] Reviloja753: I have a statline but im open to feedback
  1905. [19:32:21] Reviloja753: 113/62/89/107/85/84
  1906. [19:32:24] Reviloja753: 540 BST
  1907. [19:32:42] #Jho: hit us with the explain
  1908. [19:32:51] AGuyWithAName: So it’s Poison/Dark with Unburden and Cheek Pouch?
  1909. [19:33:01] @mxmts: just Unburden
  1910. [19:33:06] #Jho: it doesnt have cheek pouch *yet*
  1911. [19:33:06] #Jho: tm
  1912. [19:33:08] AGuyWithAName: OK.
  1913. [19:33:19] NumberCruncher: 80/66/74/120/100/84 sets us lower than Kommo-O and preserves Hippo as a check by giving it an OHKO so it doesn't have to hit twice through Dark Pulse
  1914. [19:33:40] %quziel: a further question
  1915. [19:33:44] %quziel: what are we aiming to set up against
  1916. [19:33:49] Reviloja753: eh my stats are meh
  1917. [19:33:50] %quziel: I think dragapult is one obvious answer
  1918. [19:33:51] %quziel: but what else
  1919. [19:33:59] NumberCruncher: Jumbao
  1920. [19:34:20] NumberCruncher: Sylveon
  1921. [19:34:27] #Jho: gengar perhaps
  1922. [19:34:36] NumberCruncher: Pajantom
  1923. [19:34:45] #Jho: ok paj is gna cook this
  1924. [19:34:48] #Jho: w/ eq
  1925. [19:34:52] %quziel: jumb hits ridic hard, fwiw
  1926. [19:35:23] #Jho: mower is probably a fine set up target as long as its not subbed
  1927. [19:35:35] GW8: Rotom-Heat?
  1928. [19:35:40] Soul Dew Latias: What setup move are we using?
  1929. [19:35:41] @mxmts: so does anyone else has want to submit stats or are we ready to move on?
  1930. [19:35:51] %quziel: uh
  1931. [19:35:54] %quziel: gimme one sec
  1932. [19:36:01] GW8: I think we are done.
  1933. [19:36:07] NumberCruncher: Basically any setter in the format outside of Hippo and Exca
  1934. [19:37:12] NumberCruncher: I think we're good
  1935. [19:38:36] GW8: P much.
  1936. [19:38:48] %quziel: 100/72/68/120/108/73
  1937. [19:38:58] %quziel: hp/spdef mean you always take one focus blast from specs kerf
  1938. [19:39:06] %quziel: spA is OHKO pex at +2 if needed
  1939. [19:39:15] %quziel: hp/def mean you always die to hippo eq
  1940. [19:39:33] %quziel: speed means you are slower than the one dude running offensive seis, while still outrunning jumb after unburden
  1941. [19:39:39] @mxmts: /announce Now it's time for the Stat Polls!
  1942. [19:39:43] mxmts used /poll create Stat Poll 1, 85/60/70/115/90/89, 80/67/74/120/100/84, 85/45/70/115/90/85, 113/62/89/107/85/84, 100/72/68/120/108/73
  1943. [19:39:43] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1944. [19:40:43] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: ight
  1945. [19:41:27] @mxmts: I think that's enough for the first poll
  1946. [19:41:30] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Stat Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>85&#x2f;60&#x2f;70&#x2f;115&#x2f;90&#x2f;89</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>80&#x2f;67&#x2f;74&#x2f;120&#x2f;100&#x2f;84</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>85&#x2f;45&#x2f;70&#x2f;115&#x2f;90&#x2f;85</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:18px"></span><small>&nbsp;6%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>113&#x2f;62&#x2f;89&#x2f;107&#x2f;85&#x2f;84</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>100&#x2f;72&#x2f;68&#x2f;120&#x2f;108&#x2f;73</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:132px"></span><small>&nbsp;44%</small></div></div>
  1947. [19:41:30] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1948. [19:41:55] mxmts used /poll create Stat Poll 2, 85/60/70/115/90/89, 100/72/68/120/108/73
  1949. [19:41:55] A poll was started by mxmts.
  1950. [19:42:44] GW8: Tfw everyone wants inflated stats.
  1951. [19:42:48] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: no.1 is better
  1952. [19:43:24] NumberCruncher: 1 is arguably too fast
  1953. [19:43:35] Soul Dew Latias: I voted for 3 tbh.
  1954. [19:43:43] Reviloja753: 541 BST is actually low compared to the last two flashcaps
  1955. [19:43:44] @mxmts: I believe we're done here then
  1956. [19:43:46] Reviloja753: which were like
  1957. [19:43:47] Gravity Monkey: it has unburden it's supposed to be fast
  1958. [19:43:47] Reviloja753: 560
  1959. [19:43:49] GW8: Cool
  1960. [19:43:50] %quziel: I could have dumped attack fwiw
  1961. [19:43:50] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Stat Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>85&#x2f;60&#x2f;70&#x2f;115&#x2f;90&#x2f;89</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:108px"></span><small>&nbsp;36%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>100&#x2f;72&#x2f;68&#x2f;120&#x2f;108&#x2f;73</strong> <small>(9 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:192px"></span><small>&nbsp;64%</small></div></div>
  1962. [19:43:50] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  1963. [19:44:02] %quziel: but I hate it when peeps end up with like base 51 attack
  1964. [19:44:10] Gravity Monkey: fair
  1965. [19:44:37] Reviloja753: Secondary ability, right?
  1966. [19:44:41] Reviloja753: thats what's next?
  1967. [19:44:46] NumberCruncher: Correct
  1968. [19:45:13] %quziel: do we make a sample moveset now?
  1969. [19:45:14] %quziel: or is that later
  1970. [19:45:20] @mxmts: /announce Congratulations to quziel for winning the Stats Submissions! Now it's time we discuss our second ability
  1971. [19:45:27] Reviloja753: I'm gonna propose Cheek Pouch, because while we would not be as fast as Unburden with it, one could run like
  1972. [19:45:32] Reviloja753: Ganlon Berry Cheek Pouch
  1973. [19:45:33] NumberCruncher: Cheek Pouch
  1974. [19:45:34] @mxmts: Movesets comes after this
  1975. [19:45:39] Reviloja753: to heal and then become bulkier at the same time
  1976. [19:45:43] Reviloja753: and give a more defensive set.
  1977. [19:46:08] Reviloja753: So thats why I want Cheek Pouch as secondary
  1978. [19:46:08] %quziel: ye, I'd like a cheek pouch or gluttony option for the secondary ability
  1979. [19:46:30] Reviloja753: yeah
  1980. [19:46:31] Soul Dew Latias: Cheek Pouch sounds nice.
  1981. [19:46:35] Reviloja753: I like Cheek Pouch more though
  1982. [19:46:37] Reviloja753: it's more interesting
  1983. [19:46:37] #Jho: i think both are cool if we are preservative with moves
  1984. [19:46:44] %quziel: cheek pouch would be run with sitrus though
  1985. [19:46:49] %quziel: for all that's worth
  1986. [19:46:52] Reviloja753: Hmm true
  1987. [19:47:06] %quziel: granted, unburden would also prolly be done with sitrus
  1988. [19:47:21] Reviloja753: Depends on the moves really
  1989. [19:47:26] GW8: I really like the idea of Cheek Pouch.
  1990. [19:48:06] Reviloja753: I think if we do choose cheek pouch the concept falls apart cause youd just run sitrus
  1991. [19:48:42] Reviloja753: gluttony on the other hand is likely strictly inferior because it isnt as fast and cant be used as well defensively
  1992. [19:48:57] %quziel: well, that depends on if we give it recycle
  1993. [19:49:09] NumberCruncher: I could be swayed by Gluttony
  1994. [19:49:14] @mxmts: so, apart from Cheek Pouch and Gluttony, What else do we got? Ripen? Does anyone have any ideas
  1995. [19:49:14] #Jho: gluttony recycle with iapapa is p good defensivley
  1996. [19:49:30] Reviloja753: does iapapa count as pinch berry in this context
  1997. [19:49:37] Reviloja753: I thought we were focusing on stuff like salac
  1998. [19:49:50] @mxmts: It really wasn't part of the original idea
  1999. [19:49:56] Reviloja753: yea
  2000. [19:49:58] %quziel: berserk + salac? maybe?
  2001. [19:50:04] #Jho: it is a pinch berry, tho
  2002. [19:50:11] Reviloja753: Beserk is an interesting idea
  2003. [19:50:29] @mxmts: But it still probably counts for the concepts, as those berries are still uncommon in this gen
  2004. [19:50:29] Reviloja753: It really just changes your set depending on what you value more
  2005. [19:50:31] Reviloja753: power or speed
  2006. [19:51:18] Reviloja753: though
  2007. [19:51:25] GW8: Ripen would be a good tradeoff.
  2008. [19:51:39] GW8: Would you go for power or for speed?
  2009. [19:51:50] Reviloja753: beserk actually would probably be inferior to unburden petaya
  2010. [19:51:56] @mxmts: I think there isn't much else to discuss, Unburden is good enough that whatever ability we choose, it's always going to be rather niche
  2011. [19:52:09] Reviloja753: cause they both give +1 spa
  2012. [19:52:12] %quziel: well
  2013. [19:52:13] %quziel: harvest
  2014. [19:52:13] Reviloja753: but unburden gives more speed
  2015. [19:52:15] %quziel: is another option
  2016. [19:52:27] @mxmts: Oh, forgot about harvest
  2017. [19:52:28] %quziel: but unless we wanna make cathy trev v2
  2018. [19:52:34] %quziel: I don't think its a great idea
  2019. [19:52:36] Sandshine: in a completely different train of thought
  2020. [19:52:48] @mxmts: Artist would probably hate us tho
  2021. [19:53:03] Reiga: harvest works 4 me <3
  2022. [19:53:16] Sandshine: gooey/tangling hair allows for some speed control and that could be useful after a pinch boost, but not as useful as unburden obviously
  2023. [19:53:25] Reviloja753: seems wholy inferior
  2024. [19:53:32] Sandshine: correct
  2025. [19:53:33] Neapolitan_Blood: me when my design still works with gooey: :))))
  2026. [19:53:39] NumberCruncher: Sun Harvest sounds horrible to face, especially with all the Jumbao
  2027. [19:54:00] Reviloja753: question
  2028. [19:54:05] #Jho: most bao cant afford to run drought fwiw
  2029. [19:54:11] #Jho: trace utility is far too good
  2030. [19:54:28] Reviloja753: would sitrus berry overshadow the concept on cheek pouch
  2031. [19:54:29] Reviloja753: or is it fine
  2032. [19:54:38] %quziel: is sitrus a pinch berry?
  2033. [19:54:47] NumberCruncher: No
  2034. [19:55:25] @mxmts: tbh, we shouldn't aim for it, but it's not a bad result either
  2035. [19:55:25] #Jho: i rly like gluttony, it gives us a way to use the other pinch berries in iapapa/mago etc
  2036. [19:55:26] Sandshine: Rattled lol
  2037. [19:55:34] #Jho: where as unburden will liklely use petaya
  2038. [19:55:39] #Jho: or sitrus
  2039. [19:55:48] GW8: Yeah. I guess.
  2040. [19:56:02] +againa ♫: hey cap
  2041. [19:56:07] #Jho: yo againa
  2042. [19:56:07] GW8: Yo
  2043. [19:56:12] Reviloja753: honestly
  2044. [19:56:13] +againa ♫: hows the flashcap going
  2045. [19:56:15] Sandshine: what about
  2046. [19:56:16] Sandshine: Simple
  2047. [19:56:18] Reviloja753: Im feeling gluttony is the play
  2048. [19:56:23] Reviloja753: simple is too niche imo
  2049. [19:56:25] %quziel: simple provides incredible constraints on us
  2050. [19:56:39] Sandshine: at that point we'd probably want Ripen right
  2051. [19:56:50] GW8: Gluttony boys.
  2052. [19:56:54] #Jho: Concept: Underutilised Items: Pinch Berries
  2053. [19:56:54] #Jho: Typing: Poison / Dark
  2054. [19:56:54] #Jho: Ability: Unburden
  2055. [19:56:55] #Jho: Stats: 100/72/68/120/108/73
  2056. [19:57:04] #Jho: oh i didnt mean to do that ok
  2057. [19:57:14] +againa ♫: ooh
  2058. [19:57:16] %quziel: use !code ya dumbo
  2059. [19:57:17] @mxmts: Okay, how does Gluttony, Cheeck Pouch, Harvest, Ripen, and Berserker sound for the poll?
  2060. [19:57:34] GW8: Sounds good.
  2061. [19:57:37] NumberCruncher: That works
  2062. [19:57:47] +Quanyails: + No Competitive Ability?
  2063. [19:58:10] @mxmts: yeah, almost forgot about that
  2064. [19:58:24] GW8: Run Away?
  2065. [19:58:38] GW8: That's not competitve in the slightest.
  2066. [19:58:46] Reviloja753: nono
  2067. [19:58:47] Neapolitan_Blood: wait
  2068. [19:58:48] Reviloja753: its just
  2069. [19:58:50] %quziel: pickup is what I'd like for hte NCA choice
  2070. [19:58:52] Neapolitan_Blood: you're spelling it cheeck on purpose?
  2071. [19:58:53] +Quanyails: If we don't have a competitive ability, we'll decide what it is later (if at all).
  2072. [19:58:57] %quziel: because it can pickup berries
  2073. [19:59:01] Reviloja753: what she said
  2074. [19:59:14] Neapolitan_Blood: anyway uh
  2075. [19:59:14] @mxmts: /announce Here's the Secondary Ability Poll:
  2076. [19:59:18] mxmts used /poll create Secondary Ability Poll 1, Gluttony, Cheek Pouch, Harvest, Ripen, Berserker
  2077. [19:59:18] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2078. [19:59:20] Neapolitan_Blood: i can give an explanation for any of these with my design so
  2079. [19:59:21] Neapolitan_Blood: aha
  2080. [19:59:23] GW8: Okay, I can get behind Pickup for a NCA.
  2081. [19:59:27] Aetherl: Dang it
  2082. [19:59:31] +againa ♫: ripen is just a superior gluttony
  2083. [19:59:33] +againa ♫: this gen
  2084. [19:59:42] Aetherl: Choose the wrong option
  2085. [19:59:51] #Jho: its a lot riskier still
  2086. [19:59:57] @mxmts: I forgot to add NCA, does anyone want that?
  2087. [20:00:04] +againa ♫: it also gives a lot of cool setup options
  2088. [20:00:08] %quziel: think they mean ripen sitrus vs gluttony iapapa
  2089. [20:00:12] GW8: Pickup
  2090. [20:00:26] +againa ♫: yeah
  2091. [20:00:26] Trippy Soup: Ipapa heals 33% this gen
  2092. [20:00:52] #Jho: it do
  2093. [20:00:58] Reviloja753: purposely making sitrus good feels anti concept
  2094. [20:01:00] +againa ♫: ripen gives you 50 at half or 66 at 25
  2095. [20:01:10] Trippy Soup: so, Gluttony is uselss compared to Ripen
  2096. [20:01:17] @mxmts: I believe it's time to move on then
  2097. [20:01:18] +againa ♫: oh wait this is pinch berries not just berries
  2098. [20:01:20] Trippy Soup: *useless
  2099. [20:01:25] Reviloja753: i dont like to encourage sitrus here
  2100. [20:01:25] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Secondary Ability Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Gluttony</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:141px"></span><small>&nbsp;47%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Cheek Pouch</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:60px"></span><small>&nbsp;20%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Harvest</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Ripen</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:81px"></span><small>&nbsp;27%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Berserker</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div></div>
  2101. [20:01:25] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2102. [20:01:26] Reviloja753: so
  2103. [20:01:29] #Jho: not in a few scenarios
  2104. [20:01:31] Reviloja753: im glad we have gluttony
  2105. [20:01:34] GW8: GLUTTON BOYS
  2106. [20:01:38] #Jho: ay
  2107. [20:01:41] Reviloja753: Moveset time
  2108. [20:01:44] +againa ♫: still ripen does stuff with stat boosters
  2109. [20:01:47] Gravity Monkey: berserker was an option lol?
  2110. [20:01:47] +againa ♫: which are pinch
  2111. [20:01:54] %quziel: ye
  2112. [20:01:56] mxmts used /poll create Secondary Ability Poll 2, Gluttony, Cheek Pouch, Ripen
  2113. [20:01:56] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2114. [20:01:58] %quziel: berserk + salac
  2115. [20:01:59] %quziel: is cool
  2116. [20:02:11] +againa ♫: yeah
  2117. [20:02:13] Neapolitan_Blood: its official lads
  2118. [20:02:16] Neapolitan_Blood: im winning art phase
  2119. [20:02:23] Neapolitan_Blood: ./s /s /s /s /s
  2120. [20:02:47] Reviloja753: hey whats our cnc
  2121. [20:02:48] @mxmts: that's a close one
  2122. [20:03:03] #Jho: c&c is lose to argh and grounds
  2123. [20:03:05] %quziel: grounds, argh
  2124. [20:03:09] Reviloja753: got it
  2125. [20:03:12] +againa ♫: one fits concept better one is cooler
  2126. [20:03:17] #Jho: and soft checked by ttar/kom
  2127. [20:03:19] Reviloja753: workin on a basic set and tryna not fuck that up
  2128. [20:04:38] Reviloja753: how do we not lose to pex and lose to argh
  2129. [20:04:41] Reviloja753: thats my question
  2130. [20:04:46] %quziel: earth power
  2131. [20:04:50] Reviloja753: oh good point
  2132. [20:04:51] Reviloja753: lol
  2133. [20:05:12] GW8: Yeah, pretty much.
  2134. [20:05:32] Reviloja753: so does Ripen win
  2135. [20:05:33] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Secondary Ability Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Gluttony</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:120px"></span><small>&nbsp;40%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Cheek Pouch</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Ripen</strong> <small>(8 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:159px"></span><small>&nbsp;53%</small></div></div>
  2136. [20:05:33] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2137. [20:05:40] Neapolitan_Blood: RIPEN WON??
  2138. [20:05:44] Neapolitan_Blood: no no its ok
  2139. [20:05:51] +againa ♫: ooh
  2140. [20:05:55] Neapolitan_Blood: i can bs through this with the power of my design
  2141. [20:05:56] Trippy Soup: ripen Iapapa
  2142. [20:05:59] #Jho: !code
  2143. [20:05:59] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>Concept: Underutilised Items: Pinch Berries<br />Typing: Poison &#x2f; Dark<br />Ability: Unburden &#x2f; Ripen</summary>Stats: 100&#x2f;72&#x2f;68&#x2f;120&#x2f;108&#x2f;73</details></div></div>
  2144. [20:06:11] @mxmts: Given that Ripen has the majority, yes it wins as our secondary ability
  2145. [20:06:14] GW8: All I'm thinking about for the design is a purple Pachirisu.
  2146. [20:06:17] Reviloja753: Alright so mx
  2147. [20:06:20] Reviloja753: stuff cheeks
  2148. [20:06:23] Reviloja753: is it allowed or not
  2149. [20:06:41] Sandshine: stuff cheeks would mean hippo doesnt OHKO anymore
  2150. [20:06:52] %quziel: hippo does carry whirlwind
  2151. [20:06:53] Reviloja753: good point
  2152. [20:07:02] Neapolitan_Blood: i vote yes on stuff cheeks
  2153. [20:07:11] GW8: Stuffed Cheeks.
  2154. [20:07:11] %quziel: stuff cheeks / recycle / cm / dark pulse
  2155. [20:07:13] @mxmts: I don't see a reason to not allow it
  2156. [20:07:13] %quziel: for ultimate wincon?
  2157. [20:07:18] Neapolitan_Blood: its too. great
  2158. [20:07:20] GW8: YOOO
  2159. [20:07:20] +againa ♫: i have an idea for art but idk where my stylus is
  2160. [20:07:25] Neapolitan_Blood: and it lets us use the berry without being hit to 25%
  2161. [20:07:25] #Jho: the only reason would be sig move
  2162. [20:07:30] Reviloja753: we aint giving cm
  2163. [20:07:31] #Jho: but flashcaps are more lenient on those
  2164. [20:07:35] Trippy Soup: ripen Iapapa is basically the same thing as gluttony Iapapa tbh
  2165. [20:07:36] #Jho: typically
  2166. [20:07:36] NumberCruncher: Stuff Cheeks/Sludge Wave/Dark Pulse/Earth Power with SpAtk Berry
  2167. [20:07:37] @mxmts: if anyone doesn't think so, feel free to argue
  2168. [20:07:47] %quziel: ripen iapapa is a 66% heal
  2169. [20:07:48] %quziel: iirc
  2170. [20:07:55] Reviloja753: Basically the question with stuff cheeks is
  2171. [20:07:58] @mxmts: it should be
  2172. [20:08:06] %quziel: basically my thing is
  2173. [20:08:07] +againa ♫: you can get to plus 2 in any stat
  2174. [20:08:09] %quziel: is the ultimate wincon
  2175. [20:08:13] %quziel: stuff cheeks / recycle / cm / dark pulse
  2176. [20:08:16] +againa ♫: and be super bulky
  2177. [20:08:17] %quziel: too spooky
  2178. [20:08:18] %quziel: I mean
  2179. [20:08:19] Reviloja753: cm should be banned imo
  2180. [20:08:29] NumberCruncher: Agreed on CM ban
  2181. [20:08:36] GW8: Would Work Up be allowed?
  2182. [20:08:38] Reviloja753: defeats the point of pinch berries
  2183. [20:08:40] Reviloja753: no work up either
  2184. [20:08:44] %quziel: no boosting moves
  2185. [20:08:47] Reviloja753: ^
  2186. [20:08:48] GW8: Drat.
  2187. [20:08:50] %quziel: would be
  2188. [20:08:52] %quziel: a bad idea
  2189. [20:08:58] Trippy Soup: 66%+1-25% HP = 67-91% vs 33%+1-50% = 34%-83% :P
  2190. [20:09:01] @mxmts: yeah, if we go with Stuff Cheeks, cm is not neccesary
  2191. [20:09:03] Gravity Monkey: agreed
  2192. [20:09:10] Trippy Soup: Ripen vs gluttony
  2193. [20:09:36] +againa ♫: recycle and stuff cheeks together seems kinda broken
  2194. [20:09:36] Reviloja753: Stuff Cheeks is just a matter of
  2195. [20:09:40] +againa ♫: also
  2196. [20:09:41] Trippy Soup: Ripen gives you higher HP more often :P
  2197. [20:09:41] %quziel: without boosting moves I legit don't know what we do
  2198. [20:09:43] GW8: Is Recycle allowed?
  2199. [20:09:47] Reviloja753: are we okay with +2 speed +2 defense +1 whatever we want
  2200. [20:09:51] GW8: Since we have Ripen.
  2201. [20:09:54] %quziel: I think recycle is heavily pro-concept though
  2202. [20:09:56] Neapolitan_Blood: i say yes
  2203. [20:09:58] Reviloja753: Thats the question with stuff cheeks
  2204. [20:10:05] @mxmts: yeah Recycle seems like agood move to discuss
  2205. [20:10:06] NumberCruncher: Does this CAP get Toxic? It's not universal this green
  2206. [20:10:12] Reviloja753: all poisons get it
  2207. [20:10:14] Reviloja753: iirc
  2208. [20:10:16] NumberCruncher: *gen
  2209. [20:10:32] Reviloja753: I do want Earth Power as coverage
  2210. [20:10:36] Reviloja753: that im certain on
  2211. [20:10:40] Reviloja753: also I want to give Belch
  2212. [20:10:44] GW8: I think it's fine because there would be no use for Toxic.
  2213. [20:10:53] Reviloja753: lemme put this set into a pastebin
  2214. [20:10:56] Soul Dew Latias: Belch is pro concept.
  2215. [20:10:59] #Jho: no boosting moves seems horribly underwhelming
  2216. [20:11:13] GW8: Recycle may fix that.
  2217. [20:11:14] +againa ♫: belch is super cool on this mon
  2218. [20:11:25] @mxmts: Belch certainly a must
  2219. [20:11:35] Reviloja753: https://pastebin.com/eVxPyqjM
  2220. [20:12:05] +againa ♫: god its so hard to draw with touchpad
  2221. [20:12:10] Reviloja753: Stuff Cheeks Unburden Papaya is basically Iron Defense, Agility, and a Work Up rolled into one
  2222. [20:12:21] @mxmts: Jho, which setup moves do you think could work?
  2223. [20:12:36] GW8: We're banning Body Press, right?
  2224. [20:12:39] %quziel: !code
  2225. [20:12:39] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>Skuntank @ Iapapa Berry <br />Ability: Ripen <br />EVs: 252 HP &#x2f; 240 Def &#x2f; 16 SpD </summary>Calm Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Toxic <br />- Dark Pulse <br />- Earth Power</details></div></div>
  2226. [20:12:41] %quziel: other set
  2227. [20:12:54] %quziel: too lazy to swap off skuntank
  2228. [20:12:54] #Jho: it appears the storm here has knocked out my internet
  2229. [20:12:55] Soul Dew Latias: Meanwhile, Ripen Stuff Cheeks makes that an Iron Defense and a Nasty Plot.
  2230. [20:13:01] #Jho: I think nasty plot could work
  2231. [20:13:02] %quziel: taht said
  2232. [20:13:09] GW8: Feels like Body Press may be too strong with Stuffed Cheeks.
  2233. [20:13:17] Reviloja753: how does set up not outclass the pinch berry
  2234. [20:13:19] Reviloja753: of petaya
  2235. [20:13:23] %quziel: because unburden
  2236. [20:13:31] Reviloja753: which is sorta the main thing we're working with
  2237. [20:13:52] GW8: Snarl as a tech option?
  2238. [20:13:55] Reviloja753: nah
  2239. [20:14:00] Reviloja753: its too niche for a serious set in singles
  2240. [20:14:10] #Jho: still needs a berry to proc unburden as long as it doesnt have any moves which can proc white herb
  2241. [20:14:15] #Jho: also snarl sees usage a lot
  2242. [20:14:17] Trippy Soup: Most sets you'll make with this concept won't outclass unburden tbh. :P
  2243. [20:14:21] @mxmts: /announce Before I forget, artist, please remember that the art polls will come after we are done with movesets!
  2244. [20:14:23] #Jho: on both Umbreon and Toxctricity
  2245. [20:14:24] Soul Dew Latias: Snarl probably wouldn't hurt.
  2246. [20:14:40] Reiga: sweet
  2247. [20:14:51] Reviloja753: what prevents
  2248. [20:14:54] Neapolitan_Blood: im ready to get last place
  2249. [20:14:55] Reviloja753: sub nasty plot
  2250. [20:14:57] Gravity Monkey: ~~snarl arcanine is still heat in 2020~~
  2251. [20:15:05] GW8: What about Taunt?
  2252. [20:15:06] Reviloja753: with ripen siturs
  2253. [20:15:10] #Jho: horrible speed tier
  2254. [20:15:11] %quziel: I mean, sub/np would still run like iapapa or sitrus
  2255. [20:15:14] #Jho: and dugtrio
  2256. [20:15:16] %quziel: to get unburden
  2257. [20:15:33] +againa ♫: itd be sitrus
  2258. [20:15:38] Reviloja753: yea
  2259. [20:15:47] Reviloja753: the question is if we're ok with that
  2260. [20:15:55] NumberCruncher: https://pastebin.com/4UAb6CjD
  2261. [20:15:59] Sandshine: for art
  2262. [20:16:01] Sandshine: do i just uh
  2263. [20:16:03] Sandshine: post a link
  2264. [20:16:07] GW8: Sludge Bomb for poison chance?
  2265. [20:16:10] NumberCruncher: What about this one?
  2266. [20:16:16] @mxmts: I think that Nasty Plot could go a poll
  2267. [20:16:23] #Jho: send me art links
  2268. [20:16:26] Reviloja753: thats a bad set number
  2269. [20:16:27] Reviloja753: sorry
  2270. [20:16:29] Reiga: pm?
  2271. [20:16:29] NumberCruncher: Would Toxic Spikes be allowed
  2272. [20:16:31] #Jho: ye
  2273. [20:16:34] Reiga: oke
  2274. [20:16:37] GW8: I feel like NP would be too strong.
  2275. [20:16:46] #Jho: i do not like forcing people to click imgur links in chat
  2276. [20:16:48] #Jho: ill showimages
  2277. [20:17:04] %quziel: NP lets us bypass toxapex and abuse unburden more
  2278. [20:17:11] Reviloja753: pexisnt a check
  2279. [20:17:12] Sandshine: ok
  2280. [20:17:15] %quziel: I know
  2281. [20:17:24] GW8: Fair enough.
  2282. [20:17:28] +Quanyails: Should we paste art links in here?
  2283. [20:17:33] Reviloja753: I still dont like the idea of encouraging sitrus
  2284. [20:17:36] GW8: As long as bulky Grounds still check.
  2285. [20:17:39] +Quanyails: Or through PM?
  2286. [20:17:42] #Jho: hit me with them quany
  2287. [20:17:47] #Jho: in pm
  2288. [20:17:48] Reviloja753: ripen already does that to an extent i guess but like
  2289. [20:17:54] Reviloja753: nasty plot just makes the best set
  2290. [20:17:56] #Jho: ill use showimage so people dont have to click imgur links
  2291. [20:17:57] Reviloja753: sub nasty plot stabs
  2292. [20:18:01] +Quanyails: __thumbs up__
  2293. [20:18:12] Reviloja753: and not use an actual pinch berry
  2294. [20:18:14] %quziel: !code
  2295. [20:18:14] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>Skuntank @ Petaya Berry <br />Ability: Unburden <br />EVs: 252 SpA &#x2f; 4 SpD &#x2f; 252 Spe </summary>Modest Nature <br />IVs: 0 Atk <br />- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Nasty Plot <br />- Dark Pulse <br />- Earth Power</details></div></div>
  2296. [20:18:16] GW8: Stuffed Cheeks into Nasty Plot.
  2297. [20:18:21] %quziel: is that something we want
  2298. [20:18:29] Reviloja753: I dont want it
  2299. [20:18:34] Reviloja753: the other thing is
  2300. [20:18:37] %quziel: option to either do a pseudo shift gear, or a NP
  2301. [20:18:42] Reviloja753: stuffed cheeks nasty plot leads
  2302. [20:19:00] Reviloja753: to +3 spa with 120 spa and being super speedy
  2303. [20:19:01] Trippy Soup: Sitrus lessens the use of Stuff cheecks and Belch, so any berry that activates later would be better for those moves with ripen :P
  2304. [20:19:15] GW8: Is this mainly for singles or for doubles as well?
  2305. [20:19:19] Reviloja753: singles
  2306. [20:19:19] %quziel: singles
  2307. [20:19:21] Trippy Soup: by having to have above 50% HP I mean
  2308. [20:19:21] Reviloja753: its only singles
  2309. [20:19:34] GW8: Hyper Fang or na?
  2310. [20:19:36] Reviloja753: no
  2311. [20:19:40] Reviloja753: this is a special mon
  2312. [20:19:41] Reviloja753: jfc
  2313. [20:19:50] Reviloja753: if you mean super fang
  2314. [20:19:57] GW8: Yeah That.
  2315. [20:19:58] Reviloja753: then probably not
  2316. [20:20:03] Seagul かもめ: Uh ok
  2317. [20:20:07] Seagul かもめ: whats new
  2318. [20:20:10] Reviloja753: seems sorta distracting
  2319. [20:20:11] %quziel: hmm, if no NP, then is charge beam, for example, workable; I don't think only being able to get 1 spA boost ever is desirable
  2320. [20:20:17] @mxmts: Super Fang seems like too much, I agree
  2321. [20:20:23] Seagul かもめ: Anything new
  2322. [20:20:26] %quziel: I am incredibly pro-having at least one spA boosting move
  2323. [20:20:28] %quziel: of some magnitude
  2324. [20:20:33] Seagul かもめ: what happend in the thingy
  2325. [20:20:49] @mxmts: we're currently in the middle of a flashcap
  2326. [20:20:51] Reviloja753: charge beam is perhaps niche enough to where itd be inferior to petaya
  2327. [20:20:52] %quziel: I think that cm/stuff cheeks/recycle/dark pulse iapapa kinda stuff could be risky with a ripen set though
  2328. [20:20:53] Reviloja753: unburden
  2329. [20:20:56] Seagul かもめ: Oh you are
  2330. [20:20:57] %quziel: I think we want both
  2331. [20:20:59] Seagul かもめ: huh.
  2332. [20:21:03] Seagul かもめ: any new capmons
  2333. [20:21:06] Reviloja753: cm i dont want
  2334. [20:21:07] Reviloja753: period
  2335. [20:21:11] Reviloja753: should be banned to the shadow realm
  2336. [20:21:47] @mxmts: No, Calm Mind won't be allowed, I think I'll be putting Nasty Plot to a poll
  2337. [20:22:17] Sandshine: are we counting sitrus as pinch here
  2338. [20:22:20] Reviloja753: no
  2339. [20:22:29] Sandshine: because people will just sitrus unburden and NP
  2340. [20:22:36] %quziel: or stuff cheeks unburden and NP
  2341. [20:22:39] %quziel: which imo is more consistent
  2342. [20:22:49] Sandshine: i suppose
  2343. [20:23:01] %quziel: granted, getting 2 boosting turns off unmolested is iffy
  2344. [20:23:13] Reviloja753: regardless
  2345. [20:23:15] Reviloja753: NP is a bad idea
  2346. [20:23:19] +againa ♫: i guess u get a reason not to use sitrus by getting to boost at full
  2347. [20:23:20] Sandshine: i think that means we have a stronger hawlucha tho
  2348. [20:23:36] SwitchoSwitch: whats the process on the new CAP sofara
  2349. [20:23:37] %quziel: we're still limited by a substantially worse stab combo
  2350. [20:23:38] SwitchoSwitch: so far
  2351. [20:23:58] GW8: Is Work Up still on the table?
  2352. [20:23:59] Reviloja753: https://pastebin.com/ws9mJcSs
  2353. [20:24:01] Sandshine: i guess but we'd have to limit coverage to preserve that
  2354. [20:24:13] SwitchoSwitch: whats the CAP's concept so far
  2355. [20:24:14] Reviloja753: heres a recycle set
  2356. [20:24:18] Reviloja753: this is a flashcap
  2357. [20:24:20] Reviloja753: not a real one
  2358. [20:24:23] SwitchoSwitch: ah
  2359. [20:24:56] GW8: CAP27 is still in the planning stage.
  2360. [20:24:57] NumberCruncher: Recycle + Sitrus + Ripen seems really abusable
  2361. [20:25:07] @mxmts: Alright, does anybody want to suggest any other movesets?
  2362. [20:25:13] Reviloja753: not my fault ripen was allowed
  2363. [20:25:41] NumberCruncher: It is your fault for proposing Recycle
  2364. [20:25:52] Reviloja753: I wasnt the first to suggest it tho
  2365. [20:25:53] Reviloja753: so
  2366. [20:25:55] +againa ♫: ripen is still sick
  2367. [20:26:02] +againa ♫: im hapy with it
  2368. [20:26:11] #Jho: Neapolitan_Blood did u have an art sub
  2369. [20:26:11] +againa ♫: if u want someone to blame i talked it up
  2370. [20:26:14] +againa ♫: lol
  2371. [20:26:20] Neapolitan_Blood: im twelve steps ahead of you
  2372. [20:26:24] @mxmts: Ok, I'll be putting a poll for whether or not allow nasty Plot and then we'll decide on the main sets
  2373. [20:26:24] Sandshine: i hate ripen because now my art is invalidated
  2374. [20:26:52] Neapolitan_Blood: mine just uses poison to help ripen the fruit
  2375. [20:27:07] Sandshine: i guess it matures the fruit by rotting it lol
  2376. [20:27:08] Neapolitan_Blood: or sucks the poison out of the berries to leave only the pure berry upon consumption
  2377. [20:27:08] @mxmts: /announce Nasty Plot poll:
  2378. [20:27:09] Neapolitan_Blood: or something
  2379. [20:27:11] mxmts used /poll create Allow Nasty Plot, Yes, No
  2380. [20:27:11] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2381. [20:27:19] +againa ♫: my idea had a cauldron
  2382. [20:27:34] +againa ♫: put the berries in make em stronger
  2383. [20:27:40] +againa ♫: or drop it and become faster
  2384. [20:27:47] +againa ♫: to hard to draw without my stylus tho
  2385. [20:27:57] Neapolitan_Blood: me who draws with a finger:
  2386. [20:28:01] GW8: This NP poll is getting close.
  2387. [20:28:02] Gravity Monkey: no eww nasty plot
  2388. [20:28:02] +againa ♫: im torn on nasty plot
  2389. [20:28:07] Soul Dew Latias: Uh, I meant to vote no but accidentally clicked view results.
  2390. [20:28:13] +againa ♫: idk what to ote
  2391. [20:28:13] Soul Dew Latias: And now I can't vote.
  2392. [20:28:14] Neapolitan_Blood: i should really, REALLY learn how to use a stylus and drawing tablet
  2393. [20:28:19] GW8: No one took Work Up seriously.
  2394. [20:28:36] Aetherl: I wish i had a stylus and a tablet
  2395. [20:28:51] +againa ♫: i havent got a tablet
  2396. [20:28:56] Kadew: stylus and tablet really makes a huge difference, but i've seen artists make incredible stuff with just a mouse or trackpad
  2397. [20:28:58] Neapolitan_Blood: i have a tablet
  2398. [20:29:00] Neapolitan_Blood: not a drawing tablet
  2399. [20:29:01] @mxmts: alright, last chance to vote
  2400. [20:29:01] Kadew: it's a witchcraft that's beyond me
  2401. [20:29:08] Neapolitan_Blood: just a tablet, a drawing app, and my finger
  2402. [20:29:11] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Allow Nasty Plot</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Yes</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:138px"></span><small>&nbsp;46%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>No</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:162px"></span><small>&nbsp;54%</small></div></div>
  2403. [20:29:11] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2404. [20:29:17] Neapolitan_Blood: better then mouse at least
  2405. [20:29:26] Reviloja753: good
  2406. [20:29:41] @mxmts: It seems like will not be plotting anything too bad
  2407. [20:29:42] Aetherl: That poll was really close
  2408. [20:29:52] +againa ♫: only good thoughts for this cap
  2409. [20:29:57] GW8: Work Up poll?
  2410. [20:30:00] Reviloja753: no
  2411. [20:30:01] NumberCruncher: No
  2412. [20:30:04] +againa ♫: work up is safe
  2413. [20:30:06] Neapolitan_Blood: no no yknow what
  2414. [20:30:08] Neapolitan_Blood: im gonna win
  2415. [20:30:09] Aetherl: What's work up?
  2416. [20:30:10] Neapolitan_Blood: im gonna get first place
  2417. [20:30:14] Neapolitan_Blood: because i made a bite of 87 joke
  2418. [20:30:14] GW8: Wdym no?
  2419. [20:30:15] OverlordDerp: +1 Atk/SpA
  2420. [20:30:18] @mxmts: yeah, Work Up is ok
  2421. [20:30:30] GW8: +1 on its own won't OHKO anything.
  2422. [20:30:30] Aetherl: Ty
  2423. [20:30:31] Reviloja753: i guess
  2424. [20:31:07] Reviloja753: art time
  2425. [20:31:09] Sandshine: the only thing this mon thinks about is food
  2426. [20:31:11] Sandshine: like me
  2427. [20:31:15] #Jho: movesets should be interesting, 2 move coverage on this mon is v sad but with no setup idk what we're running
  2428. [20:31:23] #Jho: are we not doing movesets before art
  2429. [20:31:26] Reviloja753: we
  2430. [20:31:27] Reviloja753: just did them
  2431. [20:31:31] GW8: Wdym no setup?
  2432. [20:31:38] Reviloja753: Stuff Cheeks exists
  2433. [20:31:43] Reviloja753: Also
  2434. [20:31:44] %quziel: stuff cheeks is only one boost
  2435. [20:31:46] %quziel: like ever
  2436. [20:31:48] Reviloja753: true
  2437. [20:31:52] Reviloja753: there is recycle if you want tho
  2438. [20:31:53] %quziel: unless yer running recycle as well
  2439. [20:31:55] Reviloja753: also
  2440. [20:31:57] %quziel: which isn't worth
  2441. [20:31:58] NumberCruncher: A boost to +5
  2442. [20:32:02] %quziel: outside of defensive sets
  2443. [20:32:12] Reviloja753: can someone do a table of poison ground dark coverage
  2444. [20:32:23] Reviloja753: cause it sorta
  2445. [20:32:26] Reviloja753: hits everything ever
  2446. [20:33:08] %quziel: its good neutral coverage, but is hard walled by libra
  2447. [20:33:09] +againa ♫: mm
  2448. [20:33:18] #Jho: yo who submitted the moveset thats walled by jumbao
  2449. [20:33:24] Reviloja753: Dark Pulse isnt resisted
  2450. [20:33:25] #Jho: wild
  2451. [20:33:35] +againa ♫: just bring duggy
  2452. [20:33:35] %quziel: libra doesn't care about a +1 dark pulse, thing is fat
  2453. [20:33:41] Reviloja753: true
  2454. [20:33:47] Sandshine: argho also doesnt care
  2455. [20:33:52] Reviloja753: argh is meant to beat us
  2456. [20:33:52] Reviloja753: so
  2457. [20:33:53] Reviloja753: idc
  2458. [20:33:56] Sandshine: so is libra
  2459. [20:34:01] +againa ♫: how much is belch doing to argh
  2460. [20:34:02] Reviloja753: ye
  2461. [20:34:07] %quziel: unsure what the mon does honestly
  2462. [20:34:18] Reviloja753: It clicks stuff cheeks
  2463. [20:34:22] Reviloja753: with petaya
  2464. [20:34:27] Reviloja753: and then tries its best to sweep
  2465. [20:34:33] Reviloja753: probably is a decent cleaner
  2466. [20:34:46] Reviloja753: ripen sets are good defensively
  2467. [20:34:58] @mxmts: So, are these ok as our main movesets?
  2468. [20:35:00] Reviloja753: so its not one-note either
  2469. [20:35:11] @mxmts: https://pokepast.es/e69614e7426f78bd
  2470. [20:35:17] Sandshine: 252+ SpA Skuntank Belch vs. 252 HP / 132+ SpD Arghonaut: 163-193 (39.3 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  2471. [20:35:27] Sandshine: thats calc argho
  2472. [20:35:40] Reviloja753: its fine
  2473. [20:35:50] Reviloja753: the calc i mean
  2474. [20:35:50] +againa ♫: yeah
  2475. [20:35:50] Reviloja753: also
  2476. [20:35:54] Reviloja753: if we wanna add more coverage
  2477. [20:35:55] Reviloja753: we can
  2478. [20:36:06] Reviloja753: is there any coverage we particularly want?
  2479. [20:36:22] @mxmts: I don't think so
  2480. [20:36:26] Reviloja753: yeah
  2481. [20:36:33] Reviloja753: Like idk why people say it doesnt do much
  2482. [20:36:44] NumberCruncher: Body Press maybe?
  2483. [20:36:50] +againa ♫: what about fire
  2484. [20:37:00] Sandshine: beats up libra
  2485. [20:37:05] +againa ♫: true
  2486. [20:37:08] Reviloja753: body press beats libra which idk if we want
  2487. [20:37:11] Reviloja753: likewise with fire
  2488. [20:37:14] Sandshine: do we still care about corv because that too
  2489. [20:37:27] Reviloja753: well fire beats libra and electric beats argh
  2490. [20:37:35] Reviloja753: so we kinda have to lose to corv
  2491. [20:37:37] Sandshine: how do we do vs ferro actually
  2492. [20:37:51] Reviloja753: probably lose to that too
  2493. [20:38:04] +againa ♫: ferro doesnt hit that hard
  2494. [20:38:06] +againa ♫: i feel
  2495. [20:38:09] NumberCruncher: Ferro sets on us, but we will the 1v1
  2496. [20:38:20] NumberCruncher: *win
  2497. [20:38:21] @mxmts: Gyro Ball is going to hit very hard
  2498. [20:38:24] Sandshine: how fast are we again
  2499. [20:38:28] %quziel: do we really manage to effectively outdamage the leech enough to not just lose the 1v1
  2500. [20:38:29] Sandshine: because gyro ball slaps
  2501. [20:38:30] +JayHeaven: hello
  2502. [20:38:30] %quziel: 73 speed
  2503. [20:38:36] +againa ♫: does gyro factor in unburden
  2504. [20:38:40] @mxmts: yes
  2505. [20:38:50] +againa ♫: ah
  2506. [20:38:58] #Jho: ye unburden is a straight stat boost
  2507. [20:38:58] +JayHeaven: from what i can see this flashcap is an unburden mon who is dark and poison?
  2508. [20:39:11] %quziel: ye
  2509. [20:39:25] %quziel: ideally abusing like petaya berry or iapapa berry
  2510. [20:39:27] #Jho: !code
  2511. [20:39:27] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>Concept: Underutilised Items: Pinch Berries<br />Typing: Poison &#x2f; Dark<br />Ability: Unburden &#x2f; Ripen</summary>Stats: 100&#x2f;72&#x2f;68&#x2f;120&#x2f;108&#x2f;73</details></div></div>
  2512. [20:39:30] Sandshine: gyro does 61.3-72.6
  2513. [20:40:06] Gravity Monkey: at +2 def?
  2514. [20:40:07] @mxmts: yeah, I think that without Nasty Plot, having the option to hit steels with a fire move sounds pretty attractive
  2515. [20:40:16] Reviloja753: alright
  2516. [20:40:16] +againa ♫: mm
  2517. [20:40:21] Sandshine: oh wait +2 def
  2518. [20:40:21] Joker_2359: hi hi
  2519. [20:40:32] Reviloja753: ill whip up a set with fire coverage
  2520. [20:40:32] Sandshine: yeah thats more reasonable lol
  2521. [20:40:33] Reviloja753: hold on
  2522. [20:40:40] %quziel: I mean, 4mss is a strong thing
  2523. [20:40:42] Joker_2359: anyone down for a CAP match?
  2524. [20:40:42] #Jho: pyro ball so we still walled by libra
  2525. [20:40:44] #Jho: :eyes:
  2526. [20:40:49] Sandshine: flame charge
  2527. [20:41:05] GW8: Fire Fang
  2528. [20:41:06] Sandshine: so smoko mains get angry
  2529. [20:41:22] @mxmts: alright, does anyone has any objections to adding Fire Coverage?
  2530. [20:41:34] +JayHeaven: it depends on how strong is the fire coverage
  2531. [20:41:34] +againa ♫: i like it
  2532. [20:41:38] Reviloja753: https://pastebin.com/rzF0bfEr
  2533. [20:42:08] NumberCruncher: I would rather have just Flamethrower than have Fire Blast
  2534. [20:42:12] Reviloja753: willing to lower the move
  2535. [20:42:13] +JayHeaven: i agree
  2536. [20:42:14] Sandshine: i dont want to nuke libra
  2537. [20:42:19] Reviloja753: just
  2538. [20:42:20] +JayHeaven: fire blast might do too miuch to equil
  2539. [20:42:23] Reviloja753: pretend it says flamethrower
  2540. [20:42:24] %quziel: go heat wave imo
  2541. [20:42:31] Reviloja753: or heat wave
  2542. [20:42:41] #Jho: mystical fire shouldnt mess up too many mus
  2543. [20:42:45] NumberCruncher: Heat Wave sounds good
  2544. [20:42:52] %quziel: that said, I don't love the idea of beating libra reliably
  2545. [20:43:00] Sandshine: flamethrower at +1 will almost always 2HKO
  2546. [20:44:30] #Jho: weaker is definitley better then
  2547. [20:44:42] @mxmts: I think Mystical Fire is enough, I don't really see a reason to add anything stronger
  2548. [20:44:46] Reviloja753: ok
  2549. [20:44:49] +JayHeaven: i think mystical fire is fine
  2550. [20:44:57] Sandshine: mystical fire will also win us the libra matchup
  2551. [20:45:03] Sandshine: p much
  2552. [20:45:09] #Jho: ye i was just calcing what -2 ep does
  2553. [20:45:23] Soul Dew Latias: Uh, what Poison types get Fire coverage apart from Skuntank?
  2554. [20:45:33] #Jho: toxtricity gets f punch
  2555. [20:45:33] +againa ♫: i dont think it makes much of a diff what fire move we give it tbh
  2556. [20:45:34] NumberCruncher: Wheezing
  2557. [20:45:43] Sandshine: give it flame charge
  2558. [20:46:02] Soul Dew Latias: And what gets Mystical Fire?
  2559. [20:46:07] %quziel: given that we alreayd got epower
  2560. [20:46:15] +againa ♫: eternatus
  2561. [20:46:15] %quziel: what does flamethrower really do for us
  2562. [20:46:25] Sandshine: beat libra
  2563. [20:46:29] Soul Dew Latias: Corviknight?
  2564. [20:46:33] +againa ♫: ferro
  2565. [20:46:35] #Jho: corv / ferro mostly
  2566. [20:47:22] %quziel: does it really enhance our corv matchup that much
  2567. [20:47:24] #Jho: fwiw we dont need fire move to beat those if we have stuffed cheeks
  2568. [20:47:25] tiernothebeast: unburden/ripen and dark/poison?
  2569. [20:47:27] %quziel: feel like corv is just gonna get flinched
  2570. [20:47:34] %quziel: and can't touch us once we've done stuff cheeks
  2571. [20:47:44] %quziel: ferro is also not common ime
  2572. [20:48:32] Sandshine: why would we want to hit these three in particular
  2573. [20:48:34] +againa ♫: i still think its worth
  2574. [20:49:14] +JayHeaven: flamethrower does too much but mystical fire lowers special attack
  2575. [20:49:33] #Jho: they really need to make a medium powered fire move with no broke effects
  2576. [20:49:42] +JayHeaven: we had incinerate
  2577. [20:49:44] Sandshine: flame charge
  2578. [20:49:47] +JayHeaven: but gen 8 doesnt have that move
  2579. [20:49:58] @mxmts: we had Flame Burst
  2580. [20:50:02] Sandshine: incinerate exists
  2581. [20:50:04] #Jho: all gone :sad:
  2582. [20:50:06] Sandshine: flame burst doesnt
  2583. [20:50:10] +JayHeaven: incinerate isnt in gen8
  2584. [20:50:13] Sandshine: yes it is
  2585. [20:50:13] %quziel: incinerate fits with the concept
  2586. [20:50:17] %quziel: destroying their berry
  2587. [20:50:19] +JayHeaven: oh wait nvm
  2588. [20:50:25] #Jho: ye its flame burst that got snapped
  2589. [20:50:28] @mxmts: all gone
  2590. [20:50:37] Gravity Monkey: incinerate actually seems like a good idea
  2591. [20:50:40] #Jho: Incinerate could be cool
  2592. [20:50:49] @mxmts: if it existed
  2593. [20:50:52] +JayHeaven: incinerate is good enough for ferro
  2594. [20:50:55] #Jho: flavor for incinerators making psns gas i guess
  2595. [20:50:57] +JayHeaven: and doesnt let it beat equil
  2596. [20:50:57] %quziel: its a niche tech that'll basically only be run to lure ferro
  2597. [20:50:59] %quziel: I think it fits
  2598. [20:51:14] Soul Dew Latias: I have decided the best way to deal with berries
  2599. [20:51:16] #Jho: !ds Incinerate
  2600. [20:51:16] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/carkol" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Carkol" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Carkol</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/coalossal" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Coalossal" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Coalossal</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/darmanitangalar" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Darmanitan-Galar" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Darmanitan-Galar</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/darmanitangalarzen" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Darmanitan-Galar-Zen" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Darmanitan-Galar-Zen</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/darumakagalar" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Darumaka-Galar" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Darumaka-Galar</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/heatmor" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Heatmor" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Heatmor</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/ninetales" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Ninetales" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Ninetales</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/rolycoly" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Rolycoly" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Rolycoly</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/salandit" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Salandit" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Salandit</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/salazzle" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Salazzle" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Salazzle</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/turtonator" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Turtonator" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Turtonator</a>, <a href="//dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/vulpix" target="_blank" class="subtle" style="white-space:nowrap"><psicon pokemon="Vulpix" style="vertical-align:-7px;margin:-2px" />Vulpix</a></div>
  2601. [20:51:18] Soul Dew Latias: IS TO BURN IT
  2602. [20:51:20] #Jho: it is gen 8
  2603. [20:51:33] Sandshine: why do we want to hit ferro specifically hard when we already beat it tho
  2604. [20:51:33] Gravity Monkey: darumaka be like
  2605. [20:51:41] %quziel: no idea
  2606. [20:51:44] +JayHeaven: we technically dont 100% beat it
  2607. [20:51:50] +JayHeaven: if it leeches
  2608. [20:51:55] +JayHeaven: it can regain health and 1v1
  2609. [20:52:57] tiernothebeast: sorry i'm new, but why dark/poison?
  2610. [20:53:15] %quziel: it was voted earlier
  2611. [20:53:25] @mxmts: Alright, I think that Incinerate is the only Fire coverage that we need to add then, if no one has any more objections, It's time to move to the Art polls
  2612. [20:53:38] +JayHeaven: ~~add ember for lols~~
  2613. [20:54:10] tiernothebeast: ember for that ferroseed 1v1
  2614. [20:54:29] Sandshine: pin missile to really mess up malamar trying to topsy turvy us
  2615. [20:55:12] Neapolitan_Blood: the cap: gets incinerate
  2616. [20:55:18] Neapolitan_Blood: factory hippo: >:)
  2617. [20:55:22] @mxmts: Well, we can always add some silly moves on the final movepool
  2618. [20:55:35] Sandshine: punkupine: >:(
  2619. [20:55:54] Gravity Monkey: punkupine is canon at this point lol
  2620. [20:56:02] tiernothebeast: why
  2621. [20:56:17] tiernothebeast: how does that have to do with berries
  2622. [20:56:30] Sandshine: his cheeks thicc
  2623. [20:56:32] Neapolitan_Blood: factory hippo munches on berries
  2624. [20:56:33] +JayHeaven: it is a concept we are doing atm
  2625. [20:56:38] Neapolitan_Blood: and also just walks around polluting forest
  2626. [20:57:04] @mxmts: /announce Now, it's officially time for the art stage
  2627. [20:57:06] +JayHeaven: but that wont make sense with pin missle
  2628. [20:57:11] #Jho: alright
  2629. [20:57:17] Sandshine: yeet lets get this bread
  2630. [20:57:24] #Jho: gna modchat so i can showimages
  2631. [20:57:25] #Jho: bear with
  2632. [20:57:28] |raw|<div class="broadcast-red"><strong>Moderated chat was set to +!</strong><br />Only users of rank + and higher can talk.</div>
  2633. [20:57:28] (Jho set modchat to +)
  2634. [20:57:50] #Jho: Art By Reiga
  2635. [20:57:50] #Jho: !showimage https://i.imgur.com/xgQTfpT.png
  2636. [20:57:51] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;i.imgur.com&#x2f;xgQTfpT.png" style="width: 300px; height: 300px" />
  2637. [20:58:10] #Jho: Art by Quanyails
  2638. [20:58:10] #Jho: !showimage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421868010006118400/675873094459719709/Temporary_File.png
  2639. [20:58:10] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;cdn.discordapp.com&#x2f;attachments&#x2f;421868010006118400&#x2f;675873094459719709&#x2f;Temporary_File.png" style="width: 300px; height: 300px" />
  2640. [20:58:48] #Jho: Art by Gravity Monkey
  2641. [20:58:48] #Jho: !showimage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421868010006118400/675856625570938910/Illustration_sans_titre-1.png
  2642. [20:58:48] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;cdn.discordapp.com&#x2f;attachments&#x2f;421868010006118400&#x2f;675856625570938910&#x2f;Illustration_sans_titre-1.png" style="width: 300px; height: 300px" />
  2643. [20:59:03] #Jho: Art by Sandshine
  2644. [20:59:03] #Jho: !showimage https://i.imgur.com/4asJBtk.jpg
  2645. [20:59:03] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;i.imgur.com&#x2f;4asJBtk.jpg" style="width: 225px; height: 300px" />
  2646. [20:59:19] #Jho: Art by Kadew
  2647. [20:59:19] #Jho: !showimage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421868010006118400/675874332479848448/flashcap-throne.png
  2648. [20:59:19] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;cdn.discordapp.com&#x2f;attachments&#x2f;421868010006118400&#x2f;675874332479848448&#x2f;flashcap-throne.png" style="width: 300px; height: 228px" />
  2649. [20:59:32] #Jho: and finally, Art by Neapolitan_Blood
  2650. [20:59:32] #Jho: !showimage https://i.imgur.com/OJAwVwn.png
  2651. [20:59:32] |raw|<img src="https:&#x2f;&#x2f;i.imgur.com&#x2f;OJAwVwn.png" style="width: 300px; height: 300px" />
  2652. [20:59:40] |raw|<div class="broadcast-red"><strong>Moderated chat was set to autoconfirmed!</strong><br />Only users of rank autoconfirmed and higher can talk.</div>
  2653. [20:59:40] (Jho set modchat to autoconfirmed)
  2654. [20:59:47] Neapolitan_Blood: :)
  2655. [21:00:02] Sandshine: :)
  2656. [21:00:09] Kadew: :]
  2657. [21:00:18] Reiga: :}
  2658. [21:00:27] NumberCruncher: :-)
  2659. [21:00:28] tiernothebeast: i like reiga's art
  2660. [21:00:33] Neapolitan_Blood: listen here, nose-haver
  2661. [21:00:37] Gravity Monkey: :D
  2662. [21:00:43] +JayHeaven: (:
  2663. [21:00:48] tiernothebeast: the abilities feel thematic
  2664. [21:00:56] Sandshine: no noses allowed in this here chat
  2665. [21:00:57] tiernothebeast: :h
  2666. [21:01:06] Soul Dew Latias: Σ=3
  2667. [21:01:07] Reiga: thanks tierno
  2668. [21:01:29] Neapolitan_Blood: so uh
  2669. [21:01:31] Neapolitan_Blood: im voting for mine
  2670. [21:01:34] Neapolitan_Blood: hope y'all are fine with that
  2671. [21:01:39] @mxmts: /announce Time for the poll!
  2672. [21:01:46] Neapolitan_Blood: cool meme team wins
  2673. [21:01:52] mxmts used /poll create Reiga, Quanyails, Gravity Monkey, Sandshine, Kadew, Neapolitan_Blood
  2674. [21:01:52] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2675. [21:01:55] Neapolitan_Blood: was that the poll of 87?
  2676. [21:01:58] Reiga: what
  2677. [21:02:02] Gravity Monkey: reiga is cancelled
  2678. [21:02:12] Neapolitan_Blood: no yeah this is going about how i expected--
  2679. [21:02:13] Neapolitan_Blood: WAIT WHAT
  2680. [21:02:13] Reiga: im the title man
  2681. [21:02:15] Neapolitan_Blood: LMAOOOO
  2682. [21:02:15] #Jho: nice
  2683. [21:02:16] Soul Dew Latias: Reiga is the poll.
  2684. [21:02:20] +againa ♫: we are deciding who is reiga
  2685. [21:02:23] Neapolitan_Blood: REIGA HAS ASCENDED
  2686. [21:02:24] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Reiga</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Quanyails</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Gravity Monkey</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Sandshine</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:66px"></span><small>&nbsp;22%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Kadew</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Neapolitan_Blood</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div></div>
  2687. [21:02:24] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2688. [21:02:27] Neapolitan_Blood: and i have gotten only one vote
  2689. [21:02:28] Neapolitan_Blood: f
  2690. [21:02:36] Gravity Monkey: people actually voted lmao
  2691. [21:02:36] Kadew: how is it to have become one with the poll?
  2692. [21:02:44] Reiga: ascendant
  2693. [21:02:45] mxmts used /poll create Art Poll 1, Reiga, Quanyails, Gravity Monkey, Sandshine, Kadew, Neapolitan_Blood
  2694. [21:02:45] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2695. [21:02:51] @mxmts: That's better
  2696. [21:02:54] Sandshine: :eyes:
  2697. [21:03:00] Neapolitan_Blood: dang
  2698. [21:03:02] Sandshine: >:(
  2699. [21:03:03] Neapolitan_Blood: im surprised i even got one vote
  2700. [21:03:21] +Quanyails: Hey, you beat me. ;D
  2701. [21:03:26] Neapolitan_Blood: quan
  2702. [21:03:28] Neapolitan_Blood: did you self-vote
  2703. [21:03:35] Neapolitan_Blood: because if not then no you technically beat me
  2704. [21:03:37] +Quanyails: No. '3'
  2705. [21:03:38] Gravity Monkey: nope i was the one
  2706. [21:03:38] Neapolitan_Blood: my one vote is me lmao
  2707. [21:03:40] Sandshine: shouldve ended poll after 10 seconds
  2708. [21:03:50] +Quanyails: I'm eating dinner with friends. :P
  2709. [21:04:03] Neapolitan_Blood: if i didn't self-vote id have zero
  2710. [21:04:11] Neapolitan_Blood: so uh yeah
  2711. [21:04:21] Neapolitan_Blood: got last i guess. kind of saw this coming so eh whatever
  2712. [21:04:26] Sandshine: justice for punkupine
  2713. [21:04:26] @mxmts: Last chance to vote!
  2714. [21:04:32] +Quanyails: Tying with me is fine too. :P
  2715. [21:04:42] Neapolitan_Blood: quan
  2716. [21:04:45] Neapolitan_Blood: you still in a way beat me
  2717. [21:04:46] Gravity Monkey: petition for punkupine to be canon
  2718. [21:04:51] Neapolitan_Blood: i self-voted. you got the vote of another person
  2719. [21:04:57] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Art Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Reiga</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:105px"></span><small>&nbsp;35%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Quanyails</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:18px"></span><small>&nbsp;6%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Gravity Monkey</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:72px"></span><small>&nbsp;24%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Sandshine</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:36px"></span><small>&nbsp;12%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Kadew</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:54px"></span><small>&nbsp;18%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Neapolitan_Blood</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:18px"></span><small>&nbsp;6%</small></div></div>
  2720. [21:04:57] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2721. [21:04:58] Sandshine: can we just make punkupine cap27
  2722. [21:05:04] Gravity Monkey: gg Reiga
  2723. [21:05:07] +Quanyails: Oh, did I?
  2724. [21:05:14] #Jho: poll 2 poll 2
  2725. [21:05:16] Reiga: theres still poll 2
  2726. [21:05:17] Reiga: >:]
  2727. [21:05:18] Neapolitan_Blood: put me in poll 2
  2728. [21:05:21] Gravity Monkey: :o
  2729. [21:05:22] Neapolitan_Blood: for the meme! for the meme!
  2730. [21:05:42] +againa ♫: quany was my second choice
  2731. [21:05:58] +againa ♫: for having the most special attk looking design
  2732. [21:05:58] mxmts used /poll create Art Poll 2, Reiga, Gravity Monkey, Kadew
  2733. [21:05:58] A poll was started by mxmts.
  2734. [21:06:11] Sandshine: trash rat ftw
  2735. [21:06:15] Neapolitan_Blood: darnit
  2736. [21:06:15] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Kadew?Reiga?
  2737. [21:06:21] Reiga: oy
  2738. [21:06:26] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: /me is confused
  2739. [21:06:29] Kadew: not me
  2740. [21:06:30] @mxmts: the artists
  2741. [21:06:33] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: oh
  2742. [21:06:39] Joker_2359: Hello Zekyuram
  2743. [21:06:43] @mxmts: Scroll up to see their designs
  2744. [21:06:45] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Heyo
  2745. [21:06:46] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: thx
  2746. [21:07:03] +JayHeaven: is the first one a chubby seahorse?
  2747. [21:07:13] +againa ♫: lol
  2748. [21:07:15] Sandshine: i stan gravity monkey because he stans punkupine
  2749. [21:07:20] Reiga: issa worm
  2750. [21:07:22] Gravity Monkey: aww
  2751. [21:07:32] Gravity Monkey: thanks bud
  2752. [21:07:35] Neapolitan_Blood: i stan everyone who submitted a good design
  2753. [21:07:39] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: NO!
  2754. [21:07:44] Neapolitan_Blood: which instead of listing everyone who did
  2755. [21:07:47] Neapolitan_Blood: i will list everyone who did not
  2756. [21:07:48] @mxmts: Last chance to vote!
  2757. [21:07:51] Neapolitan_Blood: Neapolitan_Blood
  2758. [21:07:54] Kadew: i stan big jowl tegu lizards
  2759. [21:07:56] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: i wanted Reiga but picked GM
  2760. [21:08:00] @sUnfished: reiga
  2761. [21:08:06] Reiga: sun
  2762. [21:08:10] @sUnfished: middle finger
  2763. [21:08:15] Reiga: pinky finger
  2764. [21:08:19] @sUnfished: o
  2765. [21:08:19] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Art Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Reiga</strong> <small>(11 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:165px"></span><small>&nbsp;55%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Gravity Monkey</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:90px"></span><small>&nbsp;30%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Kadew</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:45px"></span><small>&nbsp;15%</small></div></div>
  2766. [21:08:19] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  2767. [21:08:19] Neapolitan_Blood: thumb
  2768. [21:08:26] Kadew: congrats reiga
  2769. [21:08:26] Soul Dew Latias: I honestly don't really like Reiga's design because of the eyes.
  2770. [21:08:31] #Jho: majoirty, congrats!
  2771. [21:08:35] Sandshine: grats reiga
  2772. [21:08:37] Gravity Monkey: gg
  2773. [21:08:37] @sUnfished: fuck
  2774. [21:08:38] Reiga: oh worm
  2775. [21:08:44] Neapolitan_Blood: the eyes were a cop-out
  2776. [21:08:44] @mxmts: /announce Congratulations Reiga on winning the Art Polls!
  2777. [21:08:50] @sUnfished: grats reiga, you live another day
  2778. [21:08:51] Sandshine: it has kerf eyes
  2779. [21:08:51] Neapolitan_Blood: join our suffering of pokemon eyes being difficult
  2780. [21:08:53] Soul Dew Latias: But hey, I can't argue with majority.
  2781. [21:08:53] Reiga: :D
  2782. [21:09:09] Sandshine: guess ill put punkupine in my dex
  2783. [21:09:24] Neapolitan_Blood: i will never use factory hippo for anything ever
  2784. [21:09:29] Neapolitan_Blood: i see why it got dead last
  2785. [21:09:52] Reiga: it has dumb mookmon eyes
  2786. [21:09:54] @mxmts: And now that we have the face of our flashCAP ready, it's time to decide on its final Movepool!
  2787. [21:09:56] Reiga: mookmon pride
  2788. [21:10:02] Reiga: movepool :DD
  2789. [21:10:06] Reiga: i love doing those
  2790. [21:10:07] Sandshine: rip pin missile
  2791. [21:10:12] +againa ♫: coil y/y
  2792. [21:10:15] Sandshine: anyway im out lol
  2793. [21:10:27] Gravity Monkey: bye
  2794. [21:10:29] +againa ♫: cya :)
  2795. [21:10:33] Sandshine: on a lack of sleep over here yeet
  2796. [21:10:39] +JayHeaven: coil would fit the flavor
  2797. [21:10:41] Reiga: cya
  2798. [21:10:48] Sandshine: it was fun guys
  2799. [21:10:56] Soul Dew Latias: Alright, what moves are required again?
  2800. [21:10:58] Sandshine: i hope to participate in the next one as well
  2801. [21:11:16] +JayHeaven: belch i think is one of them
  2802. [21:11:38] Soul Dew Latias: Is Stuff Cheeks allowed?
  2803. [21:11:42] #Jho: can we get a declare with the mandatory moves
  2804. [21:11:50] #Jho: in a !code or smthn
  2805. [21:11:56] #Jho: i forgot what they were >_<
  2806. [21:12:35] +againa ♫: is glare allowed
  2807. [21:12:45] Neapolitan_Blood: ALLOW GLARE ALLOW GLARE--
  2808. [21:12:54] Neapolitan_Blood: i was gonna leave but
  2809. [21:12:58] Neapolitan_Blood: someone mentioned glare
  2810. [21:12:59] Neapolitan_Blood: i was summoned
  2811. [21:13:20] Gravity Monkey: is coiled allowed?
  2812. [21:13:24] Gravity Monkey: *coil mb
  2813. [21:13:37] @mxmts: I believe these are all the required moves
  2814. [21:14:13] @mxmts: Glare is not allowed, it has clear competitive relevance
  2815. [21:14:35] @mxmts: I'd like to hear others opinions on Coil
  2816. [21:14:38] +againa ♫: darn ok
  2817. [21:14:49] +againa ♫: coil is inferior to all the movesets we have already
  2818. [21:14:51] +againa ♫: imo
  2819. [21:15:26] Reiga: is snarl allowed?
  2820. [21:15:40] @mxmts: Snarl is allowed
  2821. [21:15:49] +againa ♫: like you could do coil recycle sitrus stuff i guess
  2822. [21:16:55] @mxmts: I tend to agree that Coil is outclassed, our Atk stat is not good enough
  2823. [21:17:26] @mxmts: It is allowed for now, but I'd still like to hear more opinions about it
  2824. [21:17:41] Soul Dew Latias: Belch and Stuff Cheeks are required?
  2825. [21:17:46] @mxmts: yes
  2826. [21:18:23] +againa ♫: did we get all the required?
  2827. [21:19:45] @mxmts: yes, all those moves are already part of our movepool
  2828. [21:20:23] Soul Dew Latias: Okay, so is it just Belch and Stuff Cheeks?
  2829. [21:21:35] #Jho: was recycle in a approved set
  2830. [21:21:41] #Jho: feel like it was
  2831. [21:22:37] @mxmts: huh, I forgot about recycle, it seems like I missed it from my final set list
  2832. [21:23:15] Soul Dew Latias: Okay, so what moves do I have to include?
  2833. [21:23:22] tiernothebeast: could we make an aesthetic change to the poke's appearance based on if it has a berry or doesn't
  2834. [21:23:38] +JayHeaven: alright gonna sleep
  2835. [21:23:40] +JayHeaven: cya guys
  2836. [21:23:50] @mxmts: Given that Recycle saw a lot of discussion and was generally agreed to be a good addition, It will also be added to the required list
  2837. [21:24:09] Reiga: oh about the appearance
  2838. [21:24:12] @mxmts: tiernothebeast, that is completly up to the artist
  2839. [21:24:21] #Jho: what is the required list rn mx, wanna make sure my movepool has everything
  2840. [21:24:23] Soul Dew Latias: Do we have the required list yet?
  2841. [21:24:29] Reiga: what i was thinking was the sitrus berry form is the standard version
  2842. [21:24:47] Reiga: the different forms would be based on where you got the worm, like with floette
  2843. [21:24:52] @mxmts: That +Reycle
  2844. [21:25:08] Reiga: basically just so you can at least have variety with how ur worm looks, instead of all of them just having pinch berris
  2845. [21:25:08] Soul Dew Latias: What is "That"?
  2846. [21:25:22] @mxmts: the list
  2847. [21:25:29] Soul Dew Latias: What's on the list?
  2848. [21:25:38] @mxmts: click on it
  2849. [21:25:42] Soul Dew Latias: Where?
  2850. [21:26:19] Soul Dew Latias: There's nothing to click on.
  2851. [21:26:27] @mxmts: wait, does anyone see the list of required moves?
  2852. [21:26:31] #Jho: nop
  2853. [21:26:32] +againa ♫: i do not
  2854. [21:26:53] Reiga: oh worm
  2855. [21:27:25] @mxmts: !code
  2856. [21:27:25] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Dark Pulse <br />- Belch</summary>- Sludge Wave<br />- Earth Power<br />- Incinerate <br />- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Toxic <br />- Work Up<br />- Recycle</details></div></div>
  2857. [21:27:37] #Jho: nice
  2858. [21:27:50] @mxmts: That's better, sorry I wasn't aware of how this command worked
  2859. [21:28:03] Soul Dew Latias: Alright, what format should I use to submit a movepool?
  2860. [21:29:45] @mxmts: Just use a format that makes everything clear and with a list for each different way to learn moves
  2861. [21:29:54] Soul Dew Latias: Okay.
  2862. [21:30:35] @mxmts: so one list for level up, another for Egg moves and another for TMs and TRs
  2863. [21:30:45] Soul Dew Latias: Got it.
  2864. [21:30:55] tiernothebeast: we don't do signature moves right?
  2865. [21:30:58] Reiga: is blurb text allowed like in the main process?
  2866. [21:30:59] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: i have never seen CAP so active
  2867. [21:31:08] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: just realized
  2868. [21:31:20] @mxmts: no, we don't usually add any signature moves or abilities
  2869. [21:31:40] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Give it Grav apple
  2870. [21:31:49] @mxmts: yeah, we're in the middle of a flashCAP so we're pretty busy rn
  2871. [21:32:13] @mxmts: Most people are currently making draft of their movepools rn
  2872. [21:34:02] #Jho: feel like i should know what all the global tms are
  2873. [21:34:07] #Jho: yet gen 8 has messed me up
  2874. [21:34:39] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: aye...
  2875. [21:34:49] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Gen 7 is best
  2876. [21:36:00] Reiga: yaa
  2877. [21:36:07] Reiga: i still have a list of the gen 7 tms
  2878. [21:36:09] Reiga: :'(
  2879. [21:36:17] Reiga: gen 8 tms are so messy
  2880. [21:36:19] Soul Dew Latias: Would Bug Bite work on this thing?
  2881. [21:36:25] #Jho: my list has bug bite
  2882. [21:36:29] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: i think so
  2883. [21:36:31] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: ^yea
  2884. [21:36:33] Soul Dew Latias: Cool.
  2885. [21:36:36] Reiga: its based on a worm
  2886. [21:36:38] Reiga: worms are kinda buggy
  2887. [21:36:42] Reiga: and also heatmor gets it
  2888. [21:36:50] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: so
  2889. [21:36:58] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: yea
  2890. [21:39:58] +Quanyails: All right, back from dinner. What'd I miss?
  2891. [21:40:15] Hellcat5: Okay, idea time. Is it alright if I post ability ideas here that I find cool?
  2892. [21:40:29] %quziel: CAP ain't in the business of custom abilities anymore
  2893. [21:40:38] Hellcat5: It isn't?
  2894. [21:40:45] Hellcat5: Well shoot.
  2895. [21:40:47] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: FOR NOW...
  2896. [21:40:56] Hellcat5: So can I still post it anyways?
  2897. [21:41:28] Hellcat5: I'll take that as a no I guess?
  2898. [21:41:40] @mxmts: Sorry but no
  2899. [21:41:43] Hellcat5: O o f
  2900. [21:41:55] Hellcat5: Well off to design more things. I have no idea where to post these.
  2901. [21:41:59] #Jho: https://pokepast.es/6c9301c653e1179d
  2902. [21:42:05] #Jho: have i missed anything
  2903. [21:42:13] #Jho: probably a few global tms i forgot
  2904. [21:42:30] @mxmts: I was just about to ask if anybody had something to show
  2905. [21:42:34] Reiga: ya i have no clue what global tms there are lol
  2906. [21:42:36] #Jho: oh i have toxic twice
  2907. [21:43:08] Reiga: https://pastebin.com/V3xJWvjz heres mine
  2908. [21:43:41] Reiga: feel free to steal stuff, im mostly just posting for pointers, im not in it just for winning
  2909. [21:44:40] #Jho: https://pokepast.es/3cdc47710e432eed
  2910. [21:44:40] #Jho: fix
  2911. [21:45:06] #Jho: thought the stockpile combo was p cool with the berry eating flavour
  2912. [21:45:23] #Jho: oh i missed loads of tms
  2913. [21:45:47] Reiga: i didnt even think of prevo oml
  2914. [21:45:55] Reiga: maybe it can have the berry stuck on its mouth hehe
  2915. [21:47:49] Neapolitan_Blood: doesn't really look like a mon
  2916. [21:47:51] Neapolitan_Blood: that would have a prevo
  2917. [21:47:53] #Jho: https://pokepast.es/4ba3f07c85986851 alright final sub, im sure i missed a few
  2918. [21:48:13] #Jho: but its 3am and checking is hard
  2919. [21:48:15] #Jho: ;-;
  2920. [21:48:54] #Jho: oh i couldve gotten incinerate from monster thats right
  2921. [21:48:57] #Jho: i went for field hmm
  2922. [21:49:33] Reiga: amorphous and dragon too
  2923. [21:49:41] +againa ♫: did u get recycle jho
  2924. [21:49:49] #Jho: ah i did not
  2925. [21:49:50] Reiga: oh shit wait recycle
  2926. [21:49:50] Reiga: fug
  2927. [21:49:54] #Jho: yeah lol same
  2928. [21:50:01] Reiga: u can prob swap work up in the main learnset
  2929. [21:50:05] Reiga: since its a tr anyways
  2930. [21:50:45] #Jho: true true
  2931. [21:51:12] #Jho: https://pokepast.es/1f94903c1029e1f4 thx for the point out againa
  2932. [21:51:16] Reiga: https://pastebin.com/ETN6XwVk ok final sub go
  2933. [21:51:19] #Jho: same
  2934. [21:51:36] #Jho: cant wait for dogfish to see it and chew me out for forgetting something ahah
  2935. [21:52:09] #Jho: oh u can easily get recycle from dragon egg group reiga
  2936. [21:52:24] +againa ♫: nw
  2937. [21:52:29] #Jho: flapple/fat apple have it
  2938. [21:52:39] #Jho: oh u went monster not dragon mybmyb
  2939. [21:52:48] Reiga: oh no im dragon
  2940. [21:52:59] #Jho: o r u
  2941. [21:53:05] #Jho: yo its too late i need the sleep
  2942. [21:53:09] Reiga: stuff like trubbish gets it at level 3, felt like i could squeeze it at lv 1 and it could work
  2943. [21:53:15] #Jho: makes sense
  2944. [21:53:18] Reiga: egg moves already feel a bit crowded
  2945. [21:53:24] Reiga: ya ill prob also go to sleep
  2946. [21:53:28] Reiga: i trust u guys with worm
  2947. [21:53:33] #Jho: egg moves are super shallow pools in swsh typically
  2948. [21:53:34] Reiga: tho i can still stick for a bit
  2949. [21:53:37] #Jho: so i went for like, none lol
  2950. [21:53:37] Reiga: yupp
  2951. [21:53:41] @mxmts: Alright, gn Reiga
  2952. [21:54:10] Soul Dew Latias: Uh, should I add Darkest Lariat, Psychic Fangs, or Throat Chop from TRs?
  2953. [21:54:31] Soul Dew Latias: Probably not Darkest Lariat, but maybe the other two.
  2954. [21:54:41] #Jho: idont see why not
  2955. [21:54:48] Soul Dew Latias: OK.
  2956. [21:54:56] #Jho: none are particularly competitve and have ok flavour
  2957. [21:55:03] Reiga: cant lariat without arms lol
  2958. [21:55:07] #Jho: darkest lartiat is typically a fighting type move tho
  2959. [21:55:08] #Jho: ye
  2960. [21:55:22] Reiga: and throat chop is called that but basically is just a stab/jab move
  2961. [21:55:30] Reiga: japanese name is hell thrust or something i think
  2962. [21:55:39] #Jho: i prefer that lets use that
  2963. [21:55:50] +againa ♫: hell thrust lmao
  2964. [21:56:21] Soul Dew Latias: Oh great, I can't see the required moves anymore.
  2965. [21:56:47] @mxmts: you should find them if you scroll up
  2966. [21:56:57] Soul Dew Latias: I can't scroll up past a certain point.
  2967. [21:57:11] Soul Dew Latias: It might be an issue for mobile.
  2968. [21:57:28] @mxmts: !code
  2969. [21:57:28] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Dark Pulse <br />- Belch</summary>- Sludge Wave<br />- Earth Power<br />- Incinerate <br />- Stuff Cheeks <br />- Toxic <br />- Work Up<br />- Recycle</details></div></div>
  2970. [21:57:38] @mxmts: there you go
  2971. [21:57:50] Soul Dew Latias: Stuff Cheeks is there twice, just noticed.
  2972. [21:58:06] Soul Dew Latias: But I think I'm just missing Incinerate and Recycle.
  2973. [21:59:38] @mxmts: Is anyone besides Soul Dew Latias working on a movepool?
  2974. [22:00:17] Reviloja753: ill be working on one
  2975. [22:00:21] Reviloja753: whats the art
  2976. [22:01:20] @mxmts: https://i.imgur.com/xgQTfpT.png
  2977. [22:01:20] #Jho: do u not have one yet revi, moves has been on for like an hour alrdy
  2978. [22:01:27] Reviloja753: i dont
  2979. [22:02:53] Reviloja753: but
  2980. [22:02:56] Reviloja753: ill whip one up
  2981. [22:04:15] @mxmts: If you do please do it quickly, we need to move on
  2982. [22:05:08] Soul Dew Latias: https://pastebin.com/uieupAZj
  2983. [22:05:25] Soul Dew Latias: Is there anything I'm missing or would be inaccurate?
  2984. [22:05:49] #Jho: looks good man
  2985. [22:05:54] Soul Dew Latias: Cool.
  2986. [22:07:49] +Quanyails: Do you mind if we think about names?
  2987. [22:08:04] @mxmts: yeah, that's actually a great idea
  2988. [22:08:07] Reviloja753: actually im not making a movepool
  2989. [22:08:13] Reviloja753: i like latias' pool
  2990. [22:08:22] Soul Dew Latias: Oh, thanks.
  2991. [22:08:27] Reviloja753: np
  2992. [22:08:29] @mxmts: ok, then we'll do the polls first
  2993. [22:08:34] Reviloja753: for what
  2994. [22:08:41] %quziel: damn, 5 hours in
  2995. [22:08:44] @mxmts: for the movepools
  2996. [22:09:43] Reviloja753: ok
  2997. [22:10:02] Soul Dew Latias: Alright.
  2998. [22:10:14] Reiga: im back
  2999. [22:10:18] Reiga: :]
  3000. [22:10:23] @mxmts: /announce Here's the Movepool poll
  3001. [22:10:28] mxmts used /poll create Movepool Poll 1, Reiga, Jho, Soul Dew Latias
  3002. [22:10:28] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3003. [22:10:42] @mxmts: I'll link them now
  3004. [22:11:00] @mxmts: Reiga: https://pastebin.com/ETN6XwVk
  3005. [22:11:17] @mxmts: Soul Dew Latias: https://pastebin.com/uieupAZj
  3006. [22:11:31] @mxmts: Jho: https://pokepast.es/1f94903c1029e1f4
  3007. [22:12:16] Soul Dew Latias: Hey, would this thing realistically get Fling?
  3008. [22:12:32] +againa ♫: movepools are always hardest to vote for
  3009. [22:12:40] +againa ♫: i feel
  3010. [22:12:55] @mxmts: yeah, you need to take a lot into consideration
  3011. [22:13:06] +Quanyails: WIP: Corroa (corrode + boa)
  3012. [22:13:19] +againa ♫: ooh i like that
  3013. [22:13:24] +againa ♫: i should try for a name
  3014. [22:13:35] +againa ♫: ill have named 2 if i win
  3015. [22:13:38] tiernothebeast: Berwyrm (Berry + Wyrm)
  3016. [22:13:40] Soul Dew Latias: It's the one Dark move it could reasonably get that I specifically omitted it from getting because it seems like it would want to hold on to whatever it has.
  3017. [22:14:13] +againa ♫: if it was a physical attacker u could run unburden memes
  3018. [22:14:19] +againa ♫: its like cc lucha
  3019. [22:14:26] +againa ♫: but not good
  3020. [22:14:33] Reiga: it goes as far as eating it for stuff cheeks and when it loses it its losing a burden
  3021. [22:14:41] Reiga: its not a very personal relationship with the berry lmao
  3022. [22:14:46] +againa ♫: yeah
  3023. [22:15:08] +againa ♫: oh did anyone give it natural gift
  3024. [22:15:10] @mxmts: I think the result is clear
  3025. [22:15:14] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Movepool Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Reiga</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:180px"></span><small>&nbsp;60%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Jho</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:90px"></span><small>&nbsp;30%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Soul Dew Latias</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:30px"></span><small>&nbsp;10%</small></div></div>
  3026. [22:15:14] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3027. [22:15:18] Soul Dew Latias: I just think it would rather eat it than throw it away.
  3028. [22:15:46] +againa ♫: reiga cleaning up
  3029. [22:15:51] @mxmts: /announce Congratulation to Reiga (again) for winning the Movepools Submissions
  3030. [22:16:25] Reiga: art and movepools r the only thing i rlly know how to do so i just tried my hand at those lol
  3031. [22:16:26] Reiga: cheers
  3032. [22:16:36] Reiga: ill leave names to u guys
  3033. [22:16:37] %quziel: Vijuniper (Viper + Juniper Berry, both poisonous)
  3034. [22:16:38] @mxmts: Now, I think its time to formally start thinking about a name for our little worm dragon thing
  3035. [22:17:09] Reviloja753: Deteriorm (Deteriate + Worm)
  3036. [22:17:13] Reiga: when i was drawing it the only thing i thought of Wyrmold, but its not rlly related to mold anymore so meh
  3037. [22:17:22] +Quanyails: We're going to run out of snakes to base names off of sometime, aren't we? :P
  3038. [22:17:28] tiernothebeast: Baeryrm (Berry + Wyrm)
  3039. [22:17:34] Reviloja753: I went for a worm
  3040. [22:17:37] +Quanyails: I thought about using "mamba", but we have Eskimamba...
  3041. [22:17:38] Reviloja753: cause its a worm to me
  3042. [22:17:44] Reiga: its a worm
  3043. [22:17:46] Reviloja753: ye
  3044. [22:17:48] Reviloja753: so
  3045. [22:17:50] Reiga: oh worm
  3046. [22:17:52] Reviloja753: Deteriorm
  3047. [22:17:54] Mova: is it finished?
  3048. [22:17:57] @mxmts: I feel like worm names would be much better
  3049. [22:17:58] Reviloja753: we just need a name
  3050. [22:17:59] +againa ♫: glutapent (glutton + serpent)
  3051. [22:18:01] @mxmts: not yet
  3052. [22:18:06] +Quanyails: I thought it was a snake because they're venomous. '3'
  3053. [22:18:09] Mova: art?
  3054. [22:18:32] @mxmts: https://i.imgur.com/xgQTfpT.png
  3055. [22:18:36] Reiga: its like an evil apple worm
  3056. [22:18:42] Mova: eeeevil
  3057. [22:18:51] Mova: it want fuit gummi
  3058. [22:18:58] Reiga: ill admit, like i said i did pull stuff from snakes and dragons
  3059. [22:19:00] Reviloja753: Does anyone like my name
  3060. [22:19:02] Reiga: like it has little dragon ears
  3061. [22:19:05] Reiga: but its mostly worm
  3062. [22:19:14] @mxmts: I think it's good
  3063. [22:19:20] Mova: the worm want fuit gummi
  3064. [22:19:26] Mova: but seriously, it looks great
  3065. [22:19:33] +againa ♫: yeah its a sick design
  3066. [22:19:34] GW8: Vijuniper sounds like a good name.
  3067. [22:19:45] +againa ♫: i love the idea of a changing appearance based on berry
  3068. [22:19:52] Mova: who uses razz?
  3069. [22:20:04] Mova: isn't that mostly useful in pogo?
  3070. [22:20:04] Soul Dew Latias: Eatworm (corruption of earthworm)
  3071. [22:20:06] +againa ♫: its something game freak would do
  3072. [22:20:10] Mova: same with nanab
  3073. [22:20:13] Reiga: i threw in razz and nanab because theyre the pokemon go berries
  3074. [22:20:21] Mova: exactly what i thought
  3075. [22:20:30] Mova: pinap is also in pogo
  3076. [22:20:47] Mova: i like Eatworm
  3077. [22:20:51] Reiga: i imagine youd already catch it holding a berry and thats its form for as long as you keep it
  3078. [22:20:57] Reiga: but maybe you can go somewhere to swap berries
  3079. [22:21:13] Reiga: because im pretty sure for it to be held item related it has to be an ability?
  3080. [22:21:15] Mova: kinda like swapping poke balls?
  3081. [22:21:20] Reiga: ya
  3082. [22:21:21] Mova: oh wait
  3083. [22:21:36] Reiga: and if its the item its holding it would be boring that all of them just have the pinch berries
  3084. [22:21:46] Reiga: Eatworm is fun
  3085. [22:21:55] +Quanyails: WIP 2: Chewerm
  3086. [22:22:00] violetfaith: what's its ability? i can't read backscroll
  3087. [22:22:18] Reiga: unburden / ripen
  3088. [22:22:24] Mova: typing?
  3089. [22:22:37] @mxmts: Dark/Poison
  3090. [22:22:42] Mova: ok
  3091. [22:22:58] Mova: i hope the upcoming official one will be part normal
  3092. [22:23:02] Mova: ghosts are dumb
  3093. [22:23:03] Reiga: Chewerm is goood
  3094. [22:23:10] Reiga: funny that its got ripen since its got a poisoned fruit
  3095. [22:23:18] Mova: oh gosh
  3096. [22:23:22] Reiga: i guess it can bite into the berry and it uses magic poison to make it ripe
  3097. [22:23:24] +Quanyails: Maggrot? 🤔
  3098. [22:23:25] +againa ♫: normal/ghost cat in box cap
  3099. [22:23:31] Mova: its eye looks like kerf
  3100. [22:23:33] +againa ♫: finally gonna happen
  3101. [22:23:37] Mova: not necessarily normal/ghost
  3102. [22:23:44] Mova: but normal/poison was seen as plausible
  3103. [22:24:01] Reiga: i subconsciously give it kerf eyes oml
  3104. [22:24:07] Soul Dew Latias: It Ripens the berry for itself.
  3105. [22:24:07] Reiga: i just like star eyes
  3106. [22:24:09] Mova: because why would you blast ghosts as a ghost?
  3107. [22:24:13] Reiga: they change color with the berry
  3108. [22:24:22] @mxmts: Vijuniper, Deteriorm, Chewerm, Baeryrm, Eatworm, Glutapent, Am I missing any submission?
  3109. [22:24:43] Mova: no i think you're good
  3110. [22:24:48] +Quanyails: Chewerm or Maggrot?
  3111. [22:24:56] Reiga: chewerm is my favorite
  3112. [22:24:58] @mxmts: Chewerm for me
  3113. [22:25:01] Mova: Chewerm
  3114. [22:25:07] Mova: like the bobbo turtle from galar?
  3115. [22:25:07] +Quanyails: Okay, Chewerm is what I'll submit.
  3116. [22:25:14] Soul Dew Latias: Chewerm, if Eatworm doesn't win that deserves to.
  3117. [22:25:16] +Quanyails: Thanks for the feedback!
  3118. [22:25:23] Mova: Eatworm!
  3119. [22:25:35] @mxmts: Does anyone else want to submit something?
  3120. [22:25:42] +againa ♫: i like them all better than mine
  3121. [22:25:47] +againa ♫: lol
  3122. [22:26:39] @mxmts: If no one has anything to add, we'll be moving to the polls now
  3123. [22:27:05] Mova: ok
  3124. [22:27:35] Reiga: sounds good
  3125. [22:27:54] @mxmts: Also people should start thinking about a possible 3rd flavor ability
  3126. [22:28:38] tiernothebeast: Sticky Hold?
  3127. [22:28:48] @mxmts: /announce Name Poll time!
  3128. [22:28:52] mxmts used /poll create Name Poll 1, Vijuniper, Deteriorm, Chewerm, Baeryrm, Eatworm, Glutapent
  3129. [22:28:52] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3130. [22:29:01] Soul Dew Latias: Inferior to main abilities but still useful.
  3131. [22:29:37] Zapalidoo: hello
  3132. [22:29:42] @mxmts: hi
  3133. [22:29:49] Zapalidoo: I CAN SPEAK AGAIN!
  3134. [22:30:09] Zapalidoo: It put me on a proxy for some reason
  3135. [22:30:27] Mova: aw man
  3136. [22:31:38] @mxmts: last chance to vote!
  3137. [22:32:49] Frat Dude: CHEWERM
  3138. [22:32:53] Mova: chewerm be winning?
  3139. [22:32:58] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Name Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Vijuniper</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:33px"></span><small>&nbsp;11%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Deteriorm</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:15px"></span><small>&nbsp;5%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Chewerm</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:96px"></span><small>&nbsp;32%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Baeryrm</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:48px"></span><small>&nbsp;16%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Eatworm</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Glutapent</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:48px"></span><small>&nbsp;16%</small></div></div>
  3140. [22:32:58] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3141. [22:33:06] Reviloja753: would corrosion be considered flavor here
  3142. [22:33:06] Zapalidoo: dang didn't see that coming
  3143. [22:33:14] Reviloja753: Considering it wouldnt run toxic really
  3144. [22:33:17] Soul Dew Latias: Corrosion is good.
  3145. [22:33:18] Reviloja753: or is that a no go
  3146. [22:33:30] WalreinDIceGod: corrosion is ok
  3147. [22:33:34] Reiga: toxic is in the required moves so idk
  3148. [22:33:36] Reviloja753: I know, Im just saying if it doesnt run toxic much, then it might be fine for hidden.
  3149. [22:33:36] mxmts used /poll create Name Poll 2, Chewerm, Eatworm
  3150. [22:33:36] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3151. [22:33:42] Frat Dude: CHEWERM
  3152. [22:33:49] Reviloja753: I just wanna ask
  3153. [22:33:49] Reiga: chewerm!!
  3154. [22:34:20] Zapalidoo: never thought I'd chose between these 2
  3155. [22:34:24] tiernothebeast: chewerm
  3156. [22:34:32] tiernothebeast: no thematic berry inclusion
  3157. [22:34:34] Soul Dew Latias: I'm just glad I made it to second poll, and that my opponent's name has the same energy as mine.
  3158. [22:34:35] tiernothebeast: not vijuniper
  3159. [22:34:38] tiernothebeast: chewerm
  3160. [22:34:56] @mxmts: Corrosive seems like too much too me, I always think its better to err on the side of caution, this is supposed to be a flavor only ablity
  3161. [22:34:58] Zapalidoo: A berry abusing poison dark mon named chewerm
  3162. [22:35:11] @mxmts: And think the winner is obvious
  3163. [22:35:19] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Name Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Chewerm</strong> <small>(13 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:261px"></span><small>&nbsp;87%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Eatworm</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:39px"></span><small>&nbsp;13%</small></div></div>
  3164. [22:35:19] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3165. [22:35:26] Zapalidoo: 13-2 dang
  3166. [22:35:31] Soul Dew Latias: Congrats!
  3167. [22:35:33] Reiga: no berries were hurt in the making of this flashcap
  3168. [22:35:47] +againa ♫: corrosive is definitely too good
  3169. [22:35:53] +againa ♫: for a flavour
  3170. [22:35:58] +againa ♫: that ability is nuts
  3171. [22:36:12] Reviloja753: Alright alright
  3172. [22:36:13] Soul Dew Latias: Corrosion is very good, especially considering this Pokemon is nice and defensive.
  3173. [22:36:16] Reviloja753: Yeah
  3174. [22:36:16] Reviloja753: true
  3175. [22:36:20] Reviloja753: Hmm....
  3176. [22:36:21] @mxmts: /announce Congratulations to Quanyails for winning Name Submission for the brand new flashCAP Chewerm
  3177. [22:36:28] tiernothebeast: sticky hold?
  3178. [22:36:29] Reviloja753: Maybe because of the eye, perhaps Keen Eye?
  3179. [22:36:37] tiernothebeast: as it doesn't want to let go from its berry
  3180. [22:36:38] @mxmts: Sticky Hold is fair
  3181. [22:36:46] +againa ♫: i love our new chewy boi
  3182. [22:36:46] Zapalidoo: adaptability?
  3183. [22:36:47] Reviloja753: Sticky Hold works well
  3184. [22:36:52] Reviloja753: lol not adaptability
  3185. [22:36:57] +Quanyails: Sticky Hold feels contrary to Unburden, in my opinion.
  3186. [22:36:59] Soul Dew Latias: Sticky Hold has some use with Leftovers or even berries.
  3187. [22:37:01] Reiga: poison touch for the poison crunch?
  3188. [22:37:04] Zapalidoo: lol it's just my fave
  3189. [22:37:07] Reiga: idk
  3190. [22:37:18] Reviloja753: I like keen eye
  3191. [22:37:21] Reviloja753: or poison touch
  3192. [22:37:26] Soul Dew Latias: Sticky Hold vs Unburden could represent different personalities.
  3193. [22:37:28] Zapalidoo: keen eye and sticky hold?
  3194. [22:37:34] +againa ♫: yeah i like sticky hold
  3195. [22:37:38] +againa ♫: keen eye is cool too
  3196. [22:37:41] @mxmts: This is a flavor only stage, Adaptability and other abilities that boost our power have no place here
  3197. [22:37:48] Mova: congrats
  3198. [22:38:03] Soul Dew Latias: Keen Eye has flavor as the "eye on the prize" mentality it seems to have.
  3199. [22:38:37] @mxmts: We can always not give it any third ability, I feel like this mon doesn't really need anything else
  3200. [22:38:54] Soul Dew Latias: Poison Touch is the least useful of the abilities for it considering it could just run Toxic instead of a physical move.
  3201. [22:38:57] Frat Dude: CHEWERM
  3202. [22:39:04] Soul Dew Latias: But it is flavorful.
  3203. [22:39:19] Soul Dew Latias: Finally, no third ability is an option.
  3204. [22:39:52] Zapalidoo: frisk?
  3205. [22:40:10] +againa ♫: sticky hold keen eye or nothing are all good to me
  3206. [22:40:55] Reiga: these all sound good
  3207. [22:41:03] Soul Dew Latias: Frisk is less useful than Sticky Hold but more useful than Keen Eye, and would probably never be run over the two main abilities, so I say it would probably be valid.
  3208. [22:41:34] @mxmts: Sticky Hold, Keen Eye, Poison Touch, Frisk, No Ability, anything else?
  3209. [22:42:08] Soul Dew Latias: Stench?
  3210. [22:42:27] Zapalidoo: makes sense since it's a dead apple
  3211. [22:42:28] +Quanyails: I'm still thinking of other possibilities. :P
  3212. [22:42:58] Zapalidoo: what speed is it?
  3213. [22:43:51] @mxmts: 73
  3214. [22:44:16] Zapalidoo: oh so mid level
  3215. [22:44:30] Zapalidoo: will it have a pre-evo?
  3216. [22:44:39] Aetherl: Unnerve?
  3217. [22:44:58] Zapalidoo: liquid ooze?
  3218. [22:45:52] +Quanyails: Hmm, I can't think of anything else.
  3219. [22:45:55] Reiga: unnerve and liquid ooze are good
  3220. [22:46:03] @mxmts: alright we move then
  3221. [22:46:11] +Quanyails: I like Poison Touch and No Ability, although I can see Sticky Hold, too.
  3222. [22:46:12] Zapalidoo: poll time?
  3223. [22:46:34] +Quanyails: Yep, let's move on.
  3224. [22:47:00] Mova: anything else?
  3225. [22:47:15] Reiga: nah we good
  3226. [22:47:28] Reviloja753: whos making the final product post
  3227. [22:47:28] @mxmts: /announce Flavor Ability Poll!
  3228. [22:47:31] mxmts used /poll create Flavor Ability Poll, Sticky Hold, Keen Eye, Poison Touch, Frisk, Unnerve, Liquid Ooze No Ability
  3229. [22:47:31] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3230. [22:47:40] @mxmts: Sigh
  3231. [22:47:43] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Flavor Ability Poll</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Sticky Hold</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Keen Eye</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Poison Touch</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Frisk</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Unnerve</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:99px"></span><small>&nbsp;33%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Liquid Ooze No Ability</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div></div>
  3232. [22:47:43] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3233. [22:47:50] mxmts used /poll create Flavor Ability Poll, Sticky Hold, Keen Eye, Poison Touch, Frisk, Unnerve, Liquid Ooze, No Ability
  3234. [22:47:50] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3235. [22:47:56] @mxmts: That's better
  3236. [22:48:52] @mxmts: While that's on going I recommend people to start thinking about dex entries
  3237. [22:49:06] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: Flavor?
  3238. [22:49:08] @mxmts: As that is our next and final stage
  3239. [22:49:45] @mxmts: Yeah, just for flavor
  3240. [22:49:57] Zekyuram∞MPR☯: that means...
  3241. [22:50:02] Mova: tasty
  3242. [22:50:07] Zapalidoo: not to be used seriously
  3243. [22:50:15] Mova: nothing to do with gameplay
  3244. [22:50:18] Mova: kinda of flavor
  3245. [22:50:23] Zapalidoo: just on a niesh possibly
  3246. [22:50:50] +againa ♫: to add character not usefulness
  3247. [22:51:34] Syntile: Poison touch tho
  3248. [22:51:54] tiernothebeast: reiga can i see the art again?
  3249. [22:52:06] @mxmts: https://i.imgur.com/xgQTfpT.png
  3250. [22:52:10] tiernothebeast: thanks
  3251. [22:52:13] @mxmts: np
  3252. [22:52:52] @mxmts: last chance to vote!
  3253. [22:54:12] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Flavor Ability Poll</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Sticky Hold</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Keen Eye</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:42px"></span><small>&nbsp;14%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Poison Touch</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:42px"></span><small>&nbsp;14%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Frisk</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">5. <strong>Unnerve</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:21px"></span><small>&nbsp;7%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">6. <strong>Liquid Ooze</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">7. <strong>No Ability</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:63px"></span><small>&nbsp;21%</small></div></div>
  3254. [22:54:12] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3255. [22:54:25] @mxmts: A triple tie
  3256. [22:54:42] +againa ♫: poll 2 time
  3257. [22:54:59] mxmts used /poll create Flavor Ability Poll 2, Sticky Hold, Liquid Ooze, No Ability
  3258. [22:54:59] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3259. [22:56:00] Zapalidoo: not another 3 way
  3260. [22:56:07] Glavenus71601: Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
  3261. [22:56:21] +againa ♫: damn lol
  3262. [22:56:51] Aetherl: Oof
  3263. [22:57:11] @mxmts: last chance to vote!
  3264. [22:58:32] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Flavor Ability Poll 2</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Sticky Hold</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:108px"></span><small>&nbsp;36%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Liquid Ooze</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:108px"></span><small>&nbsp;36%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>No Ability</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:87px"></span><small>&nbsp;29%</small></div></div>
  3265. [22:58:32] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3266. [22:58:44] Glavenus71601: Well at least it's not a three way
  3267. [22:58:45] @mxmts: still way too close
  3268. [22:58:49] tiernothebeast: poll 3
  3269. [22:58:51] Zapalidoo: sticky ooze or liquid hold?
  3270. [22:59:01] mxmts used /poll create Flavor Ability Poll 3, Sticky Hold, Liquid Ooze
  3271. [22:59:01] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3272. [23:00:31] @mxmts: last chance!
  3273. [23:01:18] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Flavor Ability Poll 3</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Sticky Hold</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:174px"></span><small>&nbsp;58%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>Liquid Ooze</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:126px"></span><small>&nbsp;42%</small></div></div>
  3274. [23:01:18] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3275. [23:01:41] @mxmts: And there goes our final ability
  3276. [23:01:48] Zapalidoo: mine nearly won dang but sticky hold is good too
  3277. [23:02:41] @mxmts: /announce Now, we're almost done here, but we're still missing something important, so it's time for the Dex Submissions!
  3278. [23:03:54] Zapalidoo: It eats berries while also using them as a trap for it's live prey.
  3279. [23:05:58] Soul Dew Latias: Sword: In order to preserve its food, Chewerm injects a special venom into
  3280. [23:06:10] Soul Dew Latias: Oops, didn't mean to post that so early.
  3281. [23:06:12] #cbrevan: yooo
  3282. [23:06:49] @mxmts: hi cbrevan
  3283. [23:06:58] #cbrevan: hows it going, mx?
  3284. [23:07:32] Zapalidoo: It gets extremely aggressive if you go too near it's berries and strikes with it's sharp fangs.
  3285. [23:07:34] @mxmts: I've been here for 6 hours straight and I just realized I haven't eaten dinner
  3286. [23:07:50] Zapalidoo: lol
  3287. [23:07:55] @mxmts: But it's been pretty fun
  3288. [23:08:01] Zapalidoo: eat a berry like chewerm does
  3289. [23:09:08] #cbrevan: thanks for holding the fort mx
  3290. [23:09:17] tiernothebeast: SWORD: It loves to devour poisonous berries, and usually coils around a berry at all times. If any foe tries to steal its berry, it retaliates by biting them with its venomous fangs.
  3291. [23:09:17] tiernothebeast: SHIELD: From a diet of poisonous berries, it’s become able to digest toxins and convert them into nutrients. This allows it to eat any berry, be it ripe or rotten.
  3292. [23:09:33] @mxmts: np, as I said, it's been really fun
  3293. [23:09:58] Soul Dew Latias: Sword: Chewerm injects a special venom into berries that it bites, which acts as a preservative. It also causes the berries to taste terrible to other Pokemon.
  3294. [23:12:43] Soul Dew Latias: Shield: Its taste for berries depends on the area it comes from. Offering it a berry it.
  3295. [23:12:53] Soul Dew Latias: Ah, darn it.
  3296. [23:13:27] Reviloja753: Sword: While this Pokemon does not care about the freshness of a berry, this Pokemon is very picky about exactly what type of berry it will casually gnaw on. At a young age, this Pokemon gains an incredible sense of smell which allows it to discern which type of berry it shall cherish.
  3297. [23:13:27] Reviloja753: Shield: This Pokemon is extremely protective of its stash of berries. If one were to steal even a single berry from a Chewerm den, this Pokemon will smell out the thief and hunt them down. This Pokemon is also known to be extremely dangerous when angered.
  3298. [23:13:53] Soul Dew Latias: Shield: Its taste for berries depends on the area it comes from. Offering it a berry it likes is a surefire way to befriend it.
  3299. [23:14:58] @mxmts: Zapalidoo, you need to mention the corresponding version on each entry
  3300. [23:15:28] Zapalidoo: 1st is sword and second is shield
  3301. [23:16:00] @mxmts: tiernothebest, Reviloja753, Soul Dew Latias, Zapalidoo, are these your final submissions?
  3302. [23:16:05] Reiga: i like those, latias
  3303. [23:16:06] Reviloja753: Yeah
  3304. [23:16:06] tiernothebeast: yes
  3305. [23:16:07] Zapalidoo: yup
  3306. [23:16:29] @mxmts: Does anyone else want to submit something?
  3307. [23:17:15] Soul Dew Latias: Yes.
  3308. [23:17:23] Soul Dew Latias: It's my final sub, I mean.
  3309. [23:20:37] @mxmts: The end is near
  3310. [23:22:10] @mxmts: /announce Time for the Dex Polls!
  3311. [23:22:13] mxmts used /poll create Dex Poll 1, Zapalidoo, tiernothebeast, Soul Dew Latias, Reviloja753
  3312. [23:22:13] A poll was started by mxmts.
  3313. [23:22:39] @mxmts: !code
  3314. [23:22:39] |html|<div class="infobox"><div class="chat"><details class="readmore code" style="white-space: pre-wrap; display: table; tab-size: 3"><summary>Zapalidoo:<br />Sword: It eats berries while also using them as a trap for it&apos;s live prey.</summary>Shield: It gets extremely aggressive if you go too near it&apos;s berries and strikes with it&apos;s sharp fangs.<br /><br />tiernothebeast:<br />Sword: It loves to devour poisonous berries, and usually coils around a berry at all times. If any foe tries to steal its berry, it retaliates by biting them with its venomous fangs.<br />Shield: From a diet of poisonous berries, it’s become able to digest toxins and convert them into nutrients. This allows it to eat any berry, be it ripe or rotten.<br /><br />Soul Dew Latias:<br />Sword: Chewerm injects a special venom into berries that it bites, which acts as a preservative. It also causes the berries to taste terrible to other Pokemon.<br />Shield: Its taste for berries depends on the area it comes from. Offering it a berry it.<br /><br />Reviloja753:<br />Sword: While this Pokemon does not care about the freshness of a berry, this Pokemon is very picky about exactly what type of berry it will casually gnaw on. At a young age, this Pokemon gains an incredible sense of smell which allows it to discern which type of berry it shall cherish.<br />Shield: This Pokemon is extremely protective of its stash of berries. If one were to steal even a single berry from a Chewerm den, this Pokemon will smell out the thief and hunt them down. This Pokemon is also known to be extremely dangerous when angered.</details></div></div>
  3315. [23:22:53] @mxmts: Here are the all the entries
  3316. [23:23:33] Soul Dew Latias: Uh, my Shield entry is the wrong one there.
  3317. [23:23:51] @mxmts: yeah sorry, I just noticed it too
  3318. [23:24:08] @mxmts: it doesn't seem to have mattered tho
  3319. [23:24:27] GW8: Just add what you cut off.
  3320. [23:25:18] Reviloja753: Round 2?
  3321. [23:25:42] Soul Dew Latias: The poll hasn't even ended yet.
  3322. [23:25:50] Syntile: Soul Dew Latias:
  3323. [23:25:50] Syntile: Shield: Its taste for berries depends on the area it comes from. Offering it a berry it.
  3324. [23:26:06] Syntile: offering it a berry it
  3325. [23:26:07] Reviloja753: idk how long the poll is so
  3326. [23:26:09] Soul Dew Latias: That's still the wrong one.
  3327. [23:26:24] Soul Dew Latias: The correct one is above the poll.
  3328. [23:26:31] @mxmts: sorry, got disconnected
  3329. [23:26:34] Syntile: ok
  3330. [23:26:56] @mxmts: Soul Dew Latias: Shield: Its taste for berries depends on the area it comes from. Offering it a berry it likes is a surefire way to befriend it.
  3331. [23:27:11] @mxmts: This is Soul Dew Latias right Shield entry
  3332. [23:27:28] tiernothebeast: i think soul dew has won, though
  3333. [23:27:33] @mxmts: last chance to vote!
  3334. [23:28:19] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">Dex Poll 1</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Zapalidoo</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:24px"></span><small>&nbsp;8%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>tiernothebeast</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:45px"></span><small>&nbsp;15%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Soul Dew Latias</strong> <small>(7 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:162px"></span><small>&nbsp;54%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>Reviloja753</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:69px"></span><small>&nbsp;23%</small></div></div>
  3335. [23:28:19] (The poll was ended by mxmts.)
  3336. [23:28:39] Zapalidoo: I'm depressed that my only vote was myself
  3337. [23:28:46] Syntile: oof
  3338. [23:28:54] +againa ♫: i liked yours Zapalidoo
  3339. [23:28:59] @mxmts: /announce Congratulations to Soul Dew Latias for winning the Dex Entries Poll!
  3340. [23:29:02] +againa ♫: it was my second choice
  3341. [23:29:07] Soul Dew Latias: Finally
  3342. [23:29:21] Zapalidoo: I am 1 point less depressed now +againa
  3343. [23:29:22] Soul Dew Latias: After being here since Naviathan
  3344. [23:29:28] +againa ♫: :)
  3345. [23:29:29] Soul Dew Latias: I have successfully contributed
  3346. [23:29:39] Soul Dew Latias: to at least one CAP.
  3347. [23:29:46] +againa ♫: ay nice
  3348. [23:29:54] GW8: At least I had one vote on my stat spread >.>
  3349. [23:30:05] GW8: One more than I thought I'd get.
  3350. [23:30:16] @mxmts: /announce And with this, we are officially done here, Thanks to everyone that contributed to this project
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