Mik vs Stalin, Embrace's Judgement

Stalin Response 1

- Shooter slow
	- all feats he moves before bullet fired
- Lady fast - shoots bullet at bullet after it was fired
- Lady shoots bunch of bullets- Shooter unable to dodge
- If Shooter shoots, Lady counters by shooting the bullet
- Lady's bullets equal to Dante's Ebony and Ivory (please include timestamps next time)
	- those guns do meme shit- dent stone and concrete
	- so her bullets overpower shooter (luthor did same thing (missing scan), and explosive
-Siryn's wall can't protect vs Lady's bullets- only deals with blunt stuff, not piercing on the level of Lady's bullets
- Siryn's other option is dodging and lfying, but her flying speed is bad- gets tagged by tracker darts
- missile feat is fake (don't know what this is)
- Gein is a tank who absorbs damage
- Gein is flexible maneueverability and get drop of Kenshin, who reacts and dodges to thrown swords
- Gein has cover provided by Lady shooting
- If Gein hits, Shooter and Siryu die- does a kiryu type hit that drags through the ground

Mik Response 1

- Shooter has a gun and uses it
	-starts a fight by headshotting 2 dudes
- Shooter is fast with the gun
	- shoots before 5 people can shoot him
	- some calc for shooting in 12 ms – seems somewhat reasonable
	- Sniper feat is bullet timing- sniper was unseen
	- tags Luther Strode with bullets, who "moves faster than bullets"
	- scales to Delilah, who bullet times
	- Strode scales to unnamed bullet timer, and deflects bullets
	- Shooter keep up with strode, and dodges "bullet speed projectiles" (why are they bullet speed?)
- Shooter's accuracy and predictability create unavoidable headshots
	- Shooter uses prediction and accuracy to tag bullet timers with bullets
	- mild confusion- Shooter is black in most of the scans but is white? In the scan where he adjusts his aim
- Shooter's bullets are powerful – overpower sniper rifle and and destroy the rifle itself, and hurt muscles that tank normal bullets
- Shooter's bullets will OHKO Lady or Gein
- Siryn has an unavoidable scream
 	- affects a street, a crowd, and fells a tree, hospital
	- induces Lady and Gein to cover ears and drop weapons
	- sonic scream can be used as a defensive shield.
	- at close range the scream does significant damage, and projectiles get negated
	- have a mental effects that hypnotizes Lady and Gein
- Team's durability doesn't matter, won't get hit
- Shooter's reactions and Siryn's barriers ensure this

-Lady bad
	Takes a kick from someone IRL speed
	Lady will block or counter shoot bullets- that kills her
	Gets pierced by regular knife
	Hurt by a kick from a normal human
Gein Bad
	Gein relies on evading Aoshi- dubious bullet timing scaling
	Gein has negative durability

Mik's characters have greater concentration of bullet timing feats

Mik Response 2

Shooter's speed isn’t iffy
	Goes in depth on sniper feat- pertains to Strode, Shooter, and Delilah
	Scaling shit
Lady is slow
	Says indicts of Shooter's speed apply to Lady (Mik she's shooting after the trigger is fired?)
	She's visually slow else-where, not consistently bullet timing
Lady's bullet weak
	Guns aren't equal to Dante- just deflection- means Lady's bullets could be weaker because deflection requires less energy (but why wouldn't this apply to the fight?)
	Shooter's bullet by contrasts destroys bullet and obliterates rifle- this is more compelling
Siryn doesn't waste time
	Wide AoE sonic blast
	Sonic wall is wall busting, Lady's bullets aren't
	The sonic wave makes Lady and Gein useless- deafening or hypnosis
Gein isn't fast
	His speed isn't really quantified meaningfully
	Can't be a distraction- shooter has 2 guns and shoots the simulatenously at opposing targets
	Sonic scream is AoE, distraction doesn't matter
Quickdraw
	Nothing in terms of speed for Lady or Gein
	Shooter shoots in 12ms
	Siryn just needs to open her mouth- it's the speed of sound or likely faster
Evasion
	Shooter attacks while moving
	Sonic shield can be adjusted and stuff
Synergy
	Gein does nothing
	Oppoisition can't dodge bullets while Siryn does her thing

Stalin Response 2

Shooter slow
	Doesn't draw in 12 ms – no indication he pulled out his gun after they did
	Otherwise he's just vaguely fast
	Some of Luther's feats aren't bullet timing provably
	The cinderblock feat has no point of reference for when it's thrown
	Luther gets shot at a further distance – his bullet timing feats are outliers
	Luther's scaling to the unnamed bullet timer is whack- he blinded him with debris
	With bad reactions, he just gets shot
Shooter bullets weak
	At best destroy rifle bullet
	Luther bleeds to a lot of bullets
Siryn
	In character, Siryn does targeted scream, not large AoE
	Siryn's walls get broken or she gets shot while flying
Gein
	Gein

Judgement

>!Mik wins!< . Gein has a fairly unquantified speed, which makes me believe this match goes down to the shooting match up. I think Mik is ahead enough on the quickdraw aspect and the unavoidable AoE aspect of Siryn's sonic screams such that it's more likely to believe Lady gets shot first before Siryn or Shooter

Some comments for Stalin
* I think the work you did on the Strode scaling was good, I think the main issue is you leave some of Mik's feats unscathed (in particular, the quickdraw feat and the sniper feat), and don't create enough of an overarching narrative that Shooter is slow. I think if you moved beyond "Luther Strode isn't a bullet timer" to what are the implications of Luther Strode not being a bullet timer, you could've been ahead in this debate
* You also need to address the anti-feats for Lady, especially in a context where you're trying to hammer down Mik on his character's speed
* Gein's speed needs to be better quantified at a minimum, and you need to quantify his actions relative to the gunfight if you want to meaningfully use him a battle
* Add timestamps for youtube video feats
* A lot of the 2nd response seemed to be a bit defensive, I think being more aggressive on Shooter's speed as well as Siryn would've helped you in this debate

Some comments for Mik
* I didn't find the indict of Lady's bullet timing feat convincing the way it was articulated-  I think she's moving after the trigger is fired, and don't find it similar to how you expressed Stalin's indict of the sniper feat to be
* There's way too much fluff and questionable feats in the speed scaling for the Shooter- I think you can be a lot cleaner and tighter, and focus on the few good feats like the quickdraw feat or the sniper feat
* I have no idea why the projectiles Luther throws at Shooter are bullet speed
* I think the argument addressing Lady's guns being equal to Dante's could've been addressed better. You arguing that she's able to deflect strong bullets with a potentially weaker gun just makes me think "ok, why wouldn't deflection also apply to actual fight".