--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Urgent Matter from WebDip Mods
To: webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com>
Cc: Tuan Nguyen <zultar17@gmail.com>


I won't multi or post on the forums from now on.


On Sunday, March 18, 2018, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello again Condescension,

Like I said, you probably won’t be unbanned unless there’s some form of an apology for breaking site rules, namely creating a multi, and a guarantee that it won’t happen again. If you feel the conversation you’ve had here will suffice, that is your decision.

Kindest regards,
Yoyoyozo

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:48 PM Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
Zultar was CC'd.

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:16 AM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello Condescension,

I took a look at this case and it seems there’s been quite scuffle here. Please understand that the mod team is working to maintain a positive image with its users. At the same time, there’s a process that every goes through to make sure that everyone is treated equally and fairly.

We are very sorry that you feel you have been unfairly banned, but it was simple protocol in order to make sure that the sites standards are met. When someone is silenced for a forum violation, it is no small infraction working around the silence, let alone creating a second account to do it, which is a ban-able offense. The mod you previously spoke with was trying to get this point across, although the rhetoric could have been different.

Unfortunately when you were were warned for breaking 2 of these rules, you weren’t very cooperative. You never explicitly apologized or said that you promised to never create another account, and actually aggravated the situation by bragging about the mod team not being able to catch a multi if you tried. As a result, you were banned.

We’d love to have you back on the site, but it’s out of my hands now that you’re officially banned. The protocol at this point would be to email the site owner directly, apologizing for breaking site rules and explicitly stating that you won’t break site rules again. Ultimately it’s up to him, but I can definitely work to your favor if you play your cards right. As for the tournament, I’m not exactly sure when he can get around to making a decision, but the sooner you send him a calm, cordial email, the sooner I can get around to reminding him to check it out.

With kind regards,
Yoyoyozo

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:48 PM Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
The next turn in the century league game is in less than a day so I'd really appreciate this.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
Please at least unban me until I finish my century league game. It would be lame to ruin that game for everyone.

If I promise not to post on the forum anymore, will you unban me? Is it possible to forum-ban me but not game-ban me?

Dan

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:41 PM, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
You know that this is unfair. You are banning me from two tournaments I am in because I multi'd to get the last word in a forum thread and then got mad in an email.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:17 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Zultar,

When you have some time, please take a look at and review the below conversation and the appeal that goes along with it. Daniel may email you more details on why he feels this ban was unwarranted separately tomorrow so please wait until you hear from him again to review it all.

Thanks,
jmo

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com>
Date: 17 March 2018 at 22:15
Subject: Re: Urgent Matter from WebDip Mods
To: Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com>


The last time a member personally upset me was by stalking and threatening another member in real life. This is just ensuring the forums and site stay civil to me. All I need to know is that you'll follow site rules and I got the opposite impression from that tonight. Reread our conversation and tell me if you were me, if you could trust you to follow the site rules after the conversation. Go to our site rules page, and you'll see multiple rules from being respectful to not making multi's that you violated tonight. Zultar or Kestas as owners are the only 2 who are allowed to appeal that. Kestas due to his work schedule typically does not reply for extended periods of time. Zultar will get you a reply much faster.

On 17 March 2018 at 22:06, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
" If you make another multi to get around a silence you will be banned from this site and will not be re-instated until you can have a civil conversation with either owner convincing them you are willing to follow the site rules. "

I didn't make another multi, I didn't harass anyone on the forums, you banned me because I personally upset you.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
You banned me for insulting you on email. I did not insult Zultar on the forum after the tempban.

Am I being banned for having a problem with Zultar, or am I being banned for forum harassment?

You didn't say "work out your differences via email", you said "stop saying mean things on the forum". I haven't said anything mean on the forum since the tempban.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:53 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
No, I banned you because it was very clear to me that you have a problem with the owners and the decisions they've made. And you don't seem to be willing to work with them via email, only via insulting them and their choices on the forum. Which accomplishes nothing. As I said, you can work with Zultar to resolve your differences, at which point you'd be welcome back on the site. But I cannot fix your problems with zultar, and I won't let you back on the site while you're still insulting him.

Regards,
jmo1121109

On 17 March 2018 at 21:49, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
I've played on the site for ages and am ranked pretty high, and you banned me not just from the forums but from the game itself because I personally hurt your feelings and criticized your work. I didn't even insult you on the site itself and you banned me when you could have just stopped reading my emails. I'm so sorry I hurt your precious feelings.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
Here come the multis!

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:33 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Your account has been banned. You can work with Zultar to get unbanned. I cannot speak for the owners, and won't have a member constantly berating them. If you need his email to appeal please let me know.

On 17 March 2018 at 21:31, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
I was being equally as respectful as Zultar. In that entire thread I was not personally abusive to any individual, I was criticizing awful changes to a system I enjoyed in the same manner that the site's owner was using to defend those shitty choices. Send me a single excerpt where I was personally derogatory to anybody. Zultar was significantly more toxic than I was, that's for sure. My contribution to that thread before he intentionally derailed it was constructive criticism. The dude just flipped out.

You're just upset because you've all dumped a lot of time and effort into something worthless and are trying to silence any voice that makes you realize how bad of a fuck up this forum is.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:21 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'm not challenging you, I'm replying to your smartass reply with one as equally obnoxious. What you do not seem to be understanding is we will not treat you politely if you do not do the same to us. The normal response to a multi is your main account being removed. But I haven't banned your main account because I think you enjoy the game, and don't want to have too. But if you continue being treat the mods, owners, and rules with a completely lack of respect I'll stop with the extra chances. Either you want to be here, which means being respectful to everyone or you don't. Decide and let me know.

On 17 March 2018 at 21:07, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
"That's what the other 2,000 multi's I banned thought too."

Why are you challenging me to multi?

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 6:58 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear member,

That's what the other 2,000 multi's I banned thought too. I am glad you do not intend too though. All we ask is that while you use our site you follow our site rules. Do that and you are welcome to keep your account. If not you will be banned.

Regards,
jmo1121109

On 17 March 2018 at 20:52, Daniel Bak <danielpbak@gmail.com> wrote:
My multi's name was literally a caesar cipher of "Condescension" and the email address was banevashun. If I decide to make another multi you won't catch it.

That's not a threat, and I don't intend to. But it'd be trivial. So maybe cool it with the ultimatums.

Dan

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 6:46 PM, webDiplomacy Moderator <webdipmod@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear webDiplomacy member,

If you make another multi to get around a silence you will be banned from this site and will not be re-instated until you can have a civil conversation with either owner convincing them you are willing to follow the site rules.

-WebDip Admin