even if that's what they did i think that's pretty normal. we tend to fixate a lot on our faves and if a general group is not making us happy then we'll be the most disappointed with the people we liked the most because we liked them the most. they already said they were initially a ww fan so i don't think they were trying to dislike him so much as they were disappointed.

i already covered the idea of people learning from their mistakes in the other ask.

right, but it's possible to say that oh none of our members are last, or even to say everyone is last after me and make a joke out of it. i don't like when they get asked that question but most groups come up with crafty ways to avoid being offensive and because of the editing on the segment it made it seem like he just said it as his opinion not even to be funny or anything like it was fact. whether or not he meant it that way doesn't matter, it still creates a certain effect that rubs people the wrong way. and when you're emotionally discomfited by something like that it can really color how you view someone. and of course people are going to put his current comments in the context of his past, that's natural and normal. you can't escape your past...

i think it's fine that you interpret people like to think the worst of wonwoo but obviously as you read through my ask there's a whole spectrum of opinions and many people think that wonwoo is thought of more often in a positive light. i don't know that any of us are unbiased enough to really say what neutral is. people DO hold those comments against other members, whether or not you see that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. one of the reasons wonwoo became a hot topic for it is because his instance was recent, but even now it's really blown over, and people rarely bring it up anymore. it's like when wonhui fans joked that wonwoo was dead to them for putting jun in bottom three...it's fine it was transient we're all fine with it now it just is.

i'm sure meanie had their cute moments in 2015 as well and even if the anon watched fanmade videos that's their experience and perception and i don't think either of us have a right to criticize that...? i already mentioned i didn't think it was surprising that gyuhao chose each other but it doesn't say anything about the anon themselves...

and lmao yes hosh and won have always been friends but there was definitely an upsurge of them at some point you can't deny that even if they were friends before... [insert my whole conspiracy theory]

it wasn't sarcasm. i don't think he finds himself most handsome or whatever i said the point is that what he says specifically isn't the point. it's the effect his words have on other people. it really doesn't matter what he means or what his point is. haha this is confusing, my point is that his point isn't the point. because the way he delivers his comments and the comments he delivers will shape the way people perceive him whether or not that's what he intended. people will read things differently and people's personal experiences will lead to certain readings that will be unique to each individual. so what i was trying to say there is that i thought arguing the semantics of his comments was useless because of course we're all going to disagree about what he was trying to say and we could debate for eons about what he really thinks, only wonwoo himself knows what he was saying. heck, wonwoo himself might have forgotten what he was saying by now! but regardless of the meanings, there's a certain emotional and personal response we have to what he says and that response is unique to the anon's. the anon felt disappointed/irritated/unhappy about certain things and it doesn't matter what wonwoo was saying that doesn't change the invoked response? i hope that makes it more clear. i think it is well within the anon's right to feel put off by something even if you don't feel put off by it. they are allowed to not be pleased by something. i'm really unnerved when people are like you shouldn't dislike him for doing that because you don't understand what he meant when he said/did that. don't tell other people how to feel...that person's perceptions and feelings are valid, even if they're different from yours.

normally i'm a lot more receptive to disagreeing comments but i really am uncomfortable with someone, on anon, trying to attack someone else through my curiouscat indirectly where that person can't defend themselves and everyone's anonymous. i really don't want to field future discussion on this topic.