The Anti-Intellectualism of #atheism on DALnet

[17:04] <Jayreeque> karstensrage, what grade would you give your to this channel
[17:04] <karstensrage> merry festivus?
[17:05] <karstensrage> Jayreeque, grade?
[17:05] <Jayreeque> I'm unclear on what you're unclear about.
[17:05] <Jayreeque> Grades.
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[17:06] <@karstensrage> like grades of meat
[17:06] <Jayreeque> karstensrage, you're sort of an intellectual.
[17:06] <@karstensrage> what gave you that idea
[17:06] <Jayreeque> Do you have an emotional reaction to the anti-intellectual behavior of some of the operators of this room?
[17:06] <Jayreeque> Grading in education is the process of applying standardized measurements of varying levels of achievement in a course. Another way the grade point average (GPA) can be determined is through extra curricular activities. Grades can be assigned as letters (generally A through F), as a range (for example 1 to 6), as a percentage of a total number of questions answered correctly, or as a number out of a possible total (for example out of 20 or 100).
[17:07] <Jayreeque> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQ8M35oJpU
[17:07] <@karstensrage> Jayreeque, i give you an F for not 1) identifying how to navigate and 2) persisting in the idea that all should bend to your will
[17:07] <@karstensrage> does that help?
[17:07] <Jayreeque> This is a non-sequitur.
[17:08] <@karstensrage> my point exactly
[17:08] <Jayreeque> karstensrage, kick-banning somebody from a channel would be an example of 'persisting in the idea that all should bend ot your will', right?
[17:08] <Jayreeque> Whereas having a conversation about the behavior of others would be consistent with free speech, right?
[17:08] <Jayreeque> Do you feel emotionally compelled to deny these truths due to social alliances?
[17:08] <@karstensrage> Jayreeque, the channel is made up of members and operators, its not a thing in and of itself
[17:09] <Jayreeque> So, you are unwilling to grade the channel.
[17:09] <@karstensrage> not really but i do have to figure out a way to not piss off my ops
[17:09] <Jayreeque> That seems a viewpoint that isn't entirely unreasonable.
[17:09] <Jayreeque> Why would/should you worry about that?
[17:09] <Jayreeque> I worry about citing my claims.
[17:09] <@karstensrage> so siding with some ego maniacal troll seems like a bad choice
[17:09] <Jayreeque> And I worry about not posting fallacies.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Please debate my points.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Please worry about that.
[17:10] <@karstensrage> i dont care to
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Okay, anti-intellectual.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> I put you on ignore, karstensrage.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Reason: persistent anti-intellectualism, as an atheist
[17:11] <Jayreeque> Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible. Alternatively, self-described intellectuals who are alleged to fail to adhere to rigorous standards of scholarship may be described as anti-intellectuals although pseudo-intellectualism is a more commonly, and perhaps more accurately, used description for this phenomenon.
[17:11] <Jayreeque> Anti-intellectualism is a common facet of totalitarian dictatorships to oppress political dissent.[citation needed] Perhaps its most extreme political form was during the 1970s in Cambodia under the rule of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, when people were killed for being academics or[17:06] <@karstensrage> what gave you that idea
[17:06] <Jayreeque> Do you have an emotional reaction to the anti-intellectual behavior of some of the operators of this room?
[17:06] <Jayreeque> Grading in education is the process of applying standardized measurements of varying levels of achievement in a course. Another way the grade point average (GPA) can be determined is through extra curricular activities. Grades can be assigned as letters (generally A through F), as a range (for example 1 to 6), as a percentage of a total number of questions answered correctly, or as a number out of a possible total (for example out of 20 or 100).
[17:07] <Jayreeque> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQ8M35oJpU
[17:07] <@karstensrage> Jayreeque, i give you an F for not 1) identifying how to navigate and 2) persisting in the idea that all should bend to your will
[17:07] <@karstensrage> does that help?
[17:07] <Jayreeque> This is a non-sequitur.
[17:08] <@karstensrage> my point exactly
[17:08] <Jayreeque> karstensrage, kick-banning somebody from a channel would be an example of 'persisting in the idea that all should bend ot your will', right?
[17:08] <Jayreeque> Whereas having a conversation about the behavior of others would be consistent with free speech, right?
[17:08] <Jayreeque> Do you feel emotionally compelled to deny these truths due to social alliances?
[17:08] <@karstensrage> Jayreeque, the channel is made up of members and operators, its not a thing in and of itself
[17:09] <Jayreeque> So, you are unwilling to grade the channel.
[17:09] <@karstensrage> not really but i do have to figure out a way to not piss off my ops
[17:09] <Jayreeque> That seems a viewpoint that isn't entirely unreasonable.
[17:09] <Jayreeque> Why would/should you worry about that?
[17:09] <Jayreeque> I worry about citing my claims.
[17:09] <@karstensrage> so siding with some ego maniacal troll seems like a bad choice
[17:09] <Jayreeque> And I worry about not posting fallacies.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Please debate my points.
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Please worry about that.
[17:10] <@karstensrage> i dont care to
[17:10] <Jayreeque> Okay, anti-intellectual.
 even for merely wearing eyeglasses (as it suggested literacy) in the Killing Fields.[2][citation needed]
[17:12] <Jayreeque> By encouraging, or even requiring, students to take stands where they have neither the knowledge nor the intellectual training to seriously examine complex issues, teachers promote the expression of unsubstantiated opinions, the venting of uninformed emotions, and the habit of acting on those opinions and emotions, while ignoring or dismissing opposing views, without having either the intellectual equipment or the personal experience to weigh one view against another in any serious way.[3]
[17:12] <Jayreeque> I make a promise to you, karstensrage.
[17:13] <Jayreeque> I will never compromise my intellectual integrity, in a conversation with you, because I am mad, because of things you are saying to me, because of things you said to me, because of who your friends are, or who my friends are.
[17:13] <Jayreeque> I promise these things.
[17:13] <Jayreeque> I promise this to all humankind.
[17:13] <Jayreeque> I promise this to myself, as somebody who values knowledge.
[17:13] <Jayreeque> Perhaps one day you'll be ready to make such a promise, too.
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[17:14] <Jayreeque> At every moment, of every conversation, I will objectively evaluate your claim.
[17:14] <Jayreeque> If you make false claim, false claim, false claim, false claim, true claim, false claim...
[17:14] <Jayreeque> I will contend every claim I believe is falsed, supported by citations.
[17:14] * barking_frog sets mode: +b *!*@50.255.225.*
[17:14] <Jayreeque> And I will agree with every claim I believe is true.
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[17:15] <Jayreeque> In a conversation about intellectualism barking_frog felt such rage that he felt the need to block 256 IP addresses to manage his emotions.
[17:16] <Jayreeque> This is after I have placed him on ignore, and shared with him that I placed him on ignore.
[17:16] <Jayreeque> And after he announced that would not engage me further for things I said that had previously mad him mad.
[17:16] <Jayreeque> Violating a key tenent of the intellectual's oath.
[17:16] <Jayreeque> This, from a purported atheist who has, no doubt, at many times in their life argued against the orthodoxy of Christianity in their birth culture.
[17:17] <Jayreeque> The ability to introspect and apply that criticism to other forms of orthodoxy in their worldview is beyond the, apparently.
[17:18] <Jayreeque> karstensrage, if you make 999 false claims in the most pernicious way, and then you make 1 true claim, I will objectively evaluate your true claim.
[17:18] <ViktorInvanoff> akonytes been missing for weeks. nobody knows why.
[17:18] <Jayreeque> I will utilize no social or emotional heuristic to manage my emotional defenses to keep me from being hurt by those who I predominantly disagree with.
 I will evaluate each of your claims dispassionately, to the evidence available, in the context of an exponential back-off tit-for-tat with forgiveness game theoric strategy.



[17:24] <Jayreeque> I placed you back onto my ignore list, sbalneav.
[17:24] <Jayreeque> I would predict you will remain there for at least several days.
[17:24] <Jayreeque> Rage.
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[17:24] <poutine> I am married YourMom
[17:25] <Jayreeque> Do you know why I announce my ignores, sbalneav?
[17:25] <poutine> with a kid, I don't want any fat IRC women
[17:25] <Jayreeque> Considering that it irritates most humans.
[17:25] <Jayreeque> And that, humans such as yourself, who are unable to manage your emotions in a meaningful way, will likely ban me for some time period given this ignore announce?
[17:25] <Jayreeque> It is because I believe in free speech, sbalneav.
[17:25] * You were kicked from #atheism by karstensrage (karstensrage)
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[17:26] <Jayreeque> I don't merely lament the terror attacks on Charlie Hebdo for a few days, mouthing 'Je Suis Charlie'
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[17:26] * Set by [email protected] on Fri Dec 11 15:37:39 2015
[17:26] <Jayreeque> No. I believe in free speech.
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[17:26] * Set by [email protected] on Fri Dec 11 15:37:39 2015
[17:26] <Jayreeque> I belileve in free speech now. I believe in free speech then. I believe in free speech for myself. For pedophiles. For Usama bin Laden. For those in chatrooms I don't get along with.
[17:26] * You were kicked from #atheism by karstensrage (karstensrage)
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[17:27] * Set by [email protected] on Fri Dec 11 15:37:39 2015
[17:27] <Jayreeque> I understand that most people in the West do not believe in free speech, even though many in the West lament Islam's encroachment often by citing their hostility to these values.
[17:28] <Jayreeque> Perhaps one day some of you will value free speech in this way, too.
[17:28] * You were kicked from #atheism by karstensrage (karstensrage)
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[17:28] * Set by [email protected] on Fri Dec 11 15:37:39 2015
[17:28] <Jayreeque> I continue to feel no compulsion to sacrifice my intellectual integrity.
[17:28] * You were kicked from #atheism by karstensrage (karstensrage)