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  1. [01:47:55] <aldaron> when you get back let's talk
  2. [01:48:02] <Earthworm> ???
  3. [01:48:06] <aldaron> i am annoyed and feel bad for certain tiers
  4. [01:48:14] <Earthworm> i dont even have |Away
  5. [01:48:32] <aldaron> RU and LC are officially recognized and should get some official recognition somewhere =(
  6. [01:49:31] <aldaron> spl would be enough but iirc spl3 is 3 bw ou / bw uu / bw ubers / vgc 2012 / dpp ou / adv ou / gsc ou / rby ou right
  7. [01:50:00] <aldaron> for 10 slots, would it kill LN to do 2 bw ou and increase to 11 slots with bw lc and bw ru ?
  8. [01:50:49] <Earthworm> sorry went afk for a sec
  9. [01:50:52] <aldaron> i understand that we have a lot of current gen official tiers but we should give them something somewhere
  10. [01:51:01] <aldaron> ru actually had more battles than ubers this past month
  11. [01:51:18] <Earthworm> how's LC going in terms of battles
  12. [01:51:24] <aldaron> lots off effort and work is going into RU at least
  13. [01:52:01] <aldaron> only 2002 battles in the month (ru had 10k+, ubers 10k+, nu 9k+)
  14. [01:52:14] <aldaron> but 2002 is more than all of dpp ou / adv ou / gsc ou
  15. [01:52:21] <Earthworm> we actually discussed all the format options
  16. [01:52:31] <Earthworm> BW OU x 2: same as previous two SPLs ("tradition"), most widely played tier (by current player base) receives most slots (by 2)
  17. [01:52:31] <Earthworm> BW OU x 1 + VGC 2012 x 1: Equal representation for BW OU and VGC
  18. [01:52:32] <Earthworm> BW OU x 1 + BW LC x 1: most widely played tier receives most slots still, LC community finally gets their tier in an official tournament (apparently they argue that LC is better in BW thanks to eviolite; I have no idea about this)
  19. [01:52:32] <Earthworm> BW LC x 1 + BW RU x 1: All the tiers that have a banning process get recognition in an official tournament, all tiers in SPL have equal representation (1 slot for each tier included).
  20. [01:52:51] <Earthworm> (this is in addition to the 1 BW slot we already know we are having)
  21. [01:53:00] <Earthworm> and 1 VGC slot
  22. [01:53:17] <aldaron> iirc the all tiers option had bw ou as only 1 slot
  23. [01:53:24] <Earthworm> yeah
  24. [01:53:28] <aldaron> which i think might be underrepresnetative
  25. [01:53:32] <aldaron> bw ou needs 2 at least
  26. [01:53:45] <aldaron> that word spelled right lol
  27. [01:55:37] <aldaron> [01:53:17] <aldaron> iirc the all tiers option had bw ou as only 1 slot
  28. [01:55:37] <aldaron> [01:53:24] <Earthworm> yeah
  29. [01:55:37] <aldaron> [01:53:28] <aldaron> which i think might be underrepresnetative
  30. [01:55:37] <aldaron> [01:53:32] <aldaron> bw ou needs 2 at least
  31. [01:55:37] <aldaron> [01:53:45] <aldaron> that word spelled right lol
  32. [01:56:29] <Earthworm> we dont think we will get a good field of good RU players
  33. [01:56:52] <aldaron> why think there would be more good ubers players over ru players though
  34. [01:56:56] <aldaron> ru has more battles
  35. [01:57:04] <aldaron> technically the ru players should be getting more practice
  36. [01:57:53] <Earthworm> the good ubers players are well known and i get the impression that ubers is played by more of the good OU crowd
  37. [01:58:25] <aldaron> let's put it this way: ru WITHOUT official tournament recognition (now or in future) has more battles than ubers, which both has current recognition (in spl) and potential future (if tour switches from tiers to generations)
  38. [01:58:39] <aldaron> i think ru (if not lc) should at least be given a shot
  39. [01:58:52] <Earthworm> do you favour RU over LC?
  40. [01:58:53] <aldaron> lc's only 2k battles lend itself to being more wary
  41. [01:59:15] <aldaron> well i prefer both because they'reboth recognized but lc does have the less activity and non standard tiering practices against it
  42. [01:59:26] <Earthworm> i didnt really realise
  43. [01:59:32] <Earthworm> that RU is more popular than LC
  44. [01:59:51] <aldaron> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3458465
  45. [01:59:54] <aldaron> way more
  46. [02:00:48] <Earthworm> RU only has like 100 more battles than ubers?
  47. [02:00:51] <aldaron> yea
  48. [02:01:30] <aldaron> but in october ru had 18k and ubers only had 8.8k
  49. [02:01:32] <Earthworm> lemme see how the previous months have gone
  50. [02:02:06] <aldaron> and septeber was 19.9k for ru and ubers was 6.4k
  51. [02:02:09] <Earthworm> RU activity seems to be declining for some reason
  52. [02:02:19] <aldaron> i think i know why
  53. [02:02:39] <Earthworm> was it getting more cause it was new or something?
  54. [02:03:03] <aldaron> 2 reasons
  55. [02:03:27] <aldaron> first i remember people were saying ru would get official recognition somewhere in the beginning
  56. [02:03:30] <aldaron> and second nu was just added
  57. [02:03:38] <aldaron> nu took a lot of activity from ru
  58. [02:04:07] <aldaron> no nu in sept ru = 19.9k, nu in oct at 4.5k and ru at 18k, nu at 9k this month and ru at 10k
  59. [02:04:25] <Earthworm> hmm
  60. [02:04:26] <Earthworm> ic
  61. [02:08:17] <Earthworm> i wish i could know who would sign up to playRU
  62. [02:08:20] <Earthworm> play RU*
  63. [02:08:32] <aldaron> even if it was just the good ou players, would that be a problem?
  64. [02:08:37] <aldaron> it would give legitimacy to RU
  65. [02:08:43] <aldaron> kind of like ubers (a bit)
  66. [02:09:22] <Earthworm> i dont even know which OU players play RU
  67. [02:09:40] <Earthworm> the RU tournament finals was uhh
  68. [02:09:46] <Earthworm> SGV vs Pearl.
  69. [02:09:46] <Earthworm> Pearl. vs wilson46
  70. [02:09:46] <Earthworm> wilson46 vs SGV
  71. [02:09:55] <Earthworm> i only really know wilson46
  72. [02:10:12] <aldaron> is it bad if newer players come in?
  73. [02:10:20] <aldaron> it's kinda a chicken or egg thing
  74. [02:10:25] <aldaron> we have to give them a start somewhere
  75. [02:10:31] <Earthworm> its not "bad" unless they arent actually good players
  76. [02:10:42] <aldaron> just not giving ru anything when it is more active than ubers seem unfair and unfortunate to me
  77. [02:10:46] <aldaron> i think theyll be good players
  78. [02:10:59] <aldaron> i dont see how they couldnt be as long as the ladder is active
  79. [02:11:02] <aldaron> they're getting practice
  80. [02:11:17] <aldaron> and with it as a spot more people will make teams and help test
  81. [02:12:30] <Earthworm> another concern is i dont even know if these RU players are going to sign up
  82. [02:12:42] <Earthworm> i dont know a thing about the RU community
  83. [02:13:20] <Earthworm> if i can be assured that there will be a good turnout for RU players
  84. [02:13:27] <Earthworm> then i would be fine with it
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  89. tl;dr, quickly assure Earthworm that RU will get turn out
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