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- [15:18:54] #haxiom: alright lets go
- [15:19:13] #haxiom: go ahead and post the first team
- [15:19:37] %Lord Outrage: http://pastebin.com/raw/SX1ztPJt
- [15:19:43] %Lord Outrage: Mr. Perry
- Mr. Perry was promoted to Room Voice by haxiom.
- [15:20:00] #haxiom: hang on brb
- [15:20:02] +Mr. Perry: Hello my frens
- [15:20:06] %Lord Outrage: hi bby
- [15:20:10] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: :o
- [15:20:10] %Lord Outrage: also cranham
- [15:20:12] %Lord Outrage: and sado
- [15:20:14] %Lord Outrage: you ready right
- [15:20:18] +Cranham: Ye guess
- [15:20:21] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: sure
- [15:21:23] %Lord Outrage: ok idk if haxiom is back
- [15:21:32] %Lord Outrage: but lesgo he will join
- [15:21:43] %Lord Outrage: anyway first of all this team is solid
- [15:21:58] %Lord Outrage: you covered excadrill's weakness to darkrai with both ekiller and scarf xerneas
- [15:22:07] %Lord Outrage: however salamence looks like a serious issue
- [15:22:28] %Lord Outrage: if it has refresh ofc
- [15:22:34] #haxiom: yeah im back
- [15:22:46] #haxiom: salamence is threatening since it can set up relatively easy on exca
- [15:22:48] %Lord Outrage: it can just start by killing 2 pokemon
- [15:23:05] +Mr. Perry: Also Excadrill isn't EVed lol
- [15:23:08] +Mr. Perry: Rip
- [15:23:17] %Lord Outrage: yeah no problem
- [15:23:21] %Lord Outrage: pretty classic EVs
- [15:23:25] %Lord Outrage: but it should be jolly
- [15:23:34] %Lord Outrage: for a chance to outspeed the usual 290 waterceuses
- [15:23:34] #haxiom: yeah just max max jolly i would say
- [15:23:42] %Lord Outrage: yeah max max jolly
- [15:23:52] #haxiom: i think that iron head isn't really necessary
- [15:24:13] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:24:19] %Lord Outrage: should replace it with rapid spin
- [15:24:51] %Lord Outrage: haxiom thoughts on rock tomb on exca
- [15:24:57] #haxiom: yeah i was debating
- [15:24:59] %Lord Outrage: i mean
- [15:25:03] #haxiom: it helps vs mence for this team
- [15:25:04] %Lord Outrage: its not like he's weak to stall
- [15:25:07] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:25:13] %Lord Outrage: mence seems like a bigger issue
- [15:25:17] %Lord Outrage: specially that versus stall
- [15:25:23] %Lord Outrage: gengar can remove ttar and die
- [15:25:29] %Lord Outrage: then yveltal can really do a serious job
- [15:25:32] %Lord Outrage: with knock off
- [15:26:00] %Lord Outrage: another problem is ho oh
- [15:26:05] %Lord Outrage: since scarf xern and exca
- [15:26:07] %Lord Outrage: and no switch ins
- [15:26:16] %Lord Outrage: and your groudon
- [15:26:18] %Lord Outrage: has fire punch
- [15:26:20] %Lord Outrage: and no sotne edge
- [15:26:28] %Lord Outrage: also no stone edge
- [15:26:31] %Lord Outrage: on your ekiller
- [15:26:42] %Lord Outrage: mr. perry you can talk btw
- [15:26:45] %Lord Outrage: oo
- [15:26:54] +Mr. Perry: Ik
- [15:26:58] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [15:27:04] +Mr. Perry: I was thinkinh
- [15:27:10] +Mr. Perry: About defensive yve
- [15:27:16] +Mr. Perry: But it'd be awkward
- [15:27:18] %Lord Outrage: so we have big problems being ho oh and salamence
- [15:27:22] +Mr. Perry: In a more offensive build
- [15:27:31] #haxiom: yeah no i wouldn't use defensive yveltal on this
- [15:27:40] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:27:43] %Lord Outrage: me neither
- [15:28:15] +Cranham: I do like this team
- [15:28:25] %Lord Outrage: ok i think
- [15:28:27] +Cranham: Personally i would change a few sets around
- [15:28:35] +Mr. Perry: I added Fire Punch bc I'd be able to kill defensive yve at +2 with it after SR
- [15:28:47] +Mr. Perry: O
- [15:28:51] +Mr. Perry: Erase this "with it"
- [15:29:13] +Mr. Perry: But I can add Edge in ekiller
- [15:29:36] +Cranham: P sure you could get away with like running Shadow ball focus blast m-gengar Stone edge > Fire punch on Don and a geomancy xerneas
- [15:30:31] %Lord Outrage: well he should keep scarf xern imo
- [15:30:36] %Lord Outrage: it gives him the edge over offense
- [15:30:45] +Cranham: i just dont like the free turns it gives
- [15:30:46] +Cranham: to ho-oh
- [15:31:22] %Lord Outrage: i think
- [15:31:26] +Cranham: and you dont really want sleep talk rolling anything else
- [15:31:28] +Cranham: vs darkrai
- [15:31:32] %Lord Outrage: this team is solid with the current member
- [15:31:38] %Lord Outrage: s
- [15:31:42] %Lord Outrage: just needs some sets changes
- [15:31:50] +Mr. Perry: I personally do not like to plsy against kyogre
- [15:32:02] %Lord Outrage: first of all mr. perry
- [15:32:03] %Lord Outrage: you have to put rock tomb on excadrill
- [15:32:10] +Mr. Perry: Yh I added it
- [15:32:19] %Lord Outrage: then you have to add rapid spin
- [15:32:26] %Lord Outrage: so you totally block klefki on balance
- [15:32:55] %Lord Outrage: after that you have to remove all the other moves of xerneas and just keep moonblast
- [15:33:19] %Lord Outrage: since other moves are really useless most of the time
- [15:33:39] %Lord Outrage: now groudon should have stone edge
- [15:33:47] %Lord Outrage: and yveltal should be max speed rash
- [15:33:55] %Lord Outrage: in order to outspeed waterceus on stall
- [15:34:03] %Lord Outrage: once you take down tyranitar
- [15:34:05] %Lord Outrage: with gengar
- [15:34:34] %Lord Outrage: i think both ho oh and mence wont be huge problem now
- [15:34:46] +Mr. Perry: Ok then
- [15:34:46] %Lord Outrage: specially that ho oh wont really switch in on anything not called xerneas
- [15:34:58] %Lord Outrage: and because you also have gengar to trap it
- [15:35:16] %Lord Outrage: so rn your team is good versus offense stall and balance
- [15:35:29] %Lord Outrage: but requires smart playing versus balance
- [15:35:34] %Lord Outrage: specially with gengar
- [15:35:50] #haxiom: he meant good vs offense and stall
- [15:36:15] #haxiom: nvm cant read
- [15:36:20] +Mr. Perry: Gengar keeps the current set?
- [15:36:22] %Lord Outrage: haxiom cranham and sado
- [15:36:26] %Lord Outrage: anything else?
- [15:36:27] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:36:31] %Lord Outrage: perish trap
- [15:36:38] %Lord Outrage: can take down arceus forms easier
- [15:36:47] %Lord Outrage: which is something your team enjoys the most
- [15:36:48] +Cranham: Yeah I feel Lord Outrage's changes to be more optimal now
- [15:36:54] +Cranham: after thinking about it
- [15:37:01] +Cranham: just the excadrill lacks evs in the import
- [15:37:03] #haxiom: mhm i think if you play smart with xern against ho-oh teams
- [15:37:08] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: same. did we agree on stone edge over eq or arc or nah
- [15:37:10] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:37:13] +Cranham: so dont forget to change that
- [15:37:17] %Lord Outrage: he's going for jolly max
- [15:37:33] %Lord Outrage: also about arceus i think keeping shadow claw is good
- [15:37:49] +Cranham: yeah he needs claw
- [15:37:57] +Cranham: he doesnt have an offensive gengar set
- [15:38:32] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:38:38] %Lord Outrage: alrite anything else mr. perry?
- [15:38:44] %Lord Outrage: your team was really solid btw
- [15:38:44] +Mr. Perry: I don't think so
- [15:38:49] +Mr. Perry: Thank you all :)
- [15:38:50] %Lord Outrage: just needed minor optimizations
- [15:38:55] %Lord Outrage: to improve its machup versus archetypes
- [15:38:57] +Mr. Perry: And thank u for the little tips
- [15:39:00] %Lord Outrage: welcome
- [15:39:13] %Lord Outrage: ;]
- [15:39:21] #haxiom: alright then
- [15:39:24] #haxiom: moving on
- Please specify a group such as /roomvoice or /roomdeauth
- [15:39:34] %Lord Outrage: http://pastebin.com/GvE2NTGT
- (Mr. Perry was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
- [15:39:40] %Lord Outrage: baller620
- baller620 was promoted to Room Voice by haxiom.
- [15:40:37] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: well, that salamence set doesn't set doesn't seem needed at all with giratina on the team
- [15:40:39] #haxiom: there's definitely some suboptimal sets that we'll want to fix
- [15:40:40] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: seem*
- [15:40:45] +Cranham: Yeah for sure
- [15:40:54] +Cranham: theres also no answers to a S rank threat
- [15:40:57] +Cranham: Darkrai
- [15:41:42] +Cranham: I absolutely wouldnt run a giratina-o without defog
- [15:41:58] #haxiom: he has two defog users it looks like
- [15:42:02] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: yup
- [15:42:08] +Cranham: oh it has defog too
- [15:42:11] +Cranham: I overlooked that
- [15:42:28] %Lord Outrage: baller620
- [15:42:32] %Lord Outrage: are you here
- [15:42:32] %Lord Outrage: o-o
- [15:42:46] %Lord Outrage: if he's not here we aint rating
- [15:42:47] #haxiom: oh he was at the beginning but left
- [15:42:49] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: a lot of the sets are indeed very questionable for his team
- [15:42:51] #haxiom: it looks like
- [15:42:53] +baller620: im here im in a tuber touny at the same time
- [15:42:56] #haxiom: nvmd
- [15:43:00] +baller620: uber**
- [15:43:25] %Lord Outrage: alrite you gotta focus here
- [15:43:31] +baller620: i am
- [15:44:10] %Lord Outrage: ok so first of all
- [15:44:17] %Lord Outrage: like others pointed out
- [15:44:20] %Lord Outrage: darkrai is a serious issue
- [15:44:28] %Lord Outrage: and sets optimizations are needed
- [15:44:31] #haxiom: also no stealth rock
- [15:44:50] +Cranham: Alot of sets are redundant aswell
- [15:44:55] +Cranham: Wasted moveslots
- [15:44:58] %Lord Outrage: yeah alrite
- [15:45:04] %Lord Outrage: i think this team
- [15:45:08] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: on pdon especially
- [15:45:09] %Lord Outrage: needs more speed
- [15:45:19] %Lord Outrage: it should be faster
- [15:45:50] +baller620: i see what you are saying now
- [15:45:51] %Lord Outrage: thoughts on replacing primal kyogre with mewtw
- [15:46:00] %Lord Outrage: i mean
- [15:46:10] +Cranham: Yeah i would replace kyogre and tina and turn it into HO
- [15:46:11] +Cranham: hmm
- [15:46:35] +Cranham: Like Dialga > Tina M2 > Kyogre
- [15:46:44] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think kyogre to mew twos good and maybe tina to like dialga or deo a
- [15:46:59] %Lord Outrage: good idea
- [15:47:01] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:47:08] %Lord Outrage: mmmm
- [15:47:21] +Cranham: that allows it to branch out
- [15:47:27] +Cranham: and run Double dance/Paradancer don
- [15:47:30] %Lord Outrage: if we put in dialga instead of tina we get rocks and a check to both ekiller and mence
- [15:47:36] +Cranham: and offensive DD mence
- [15:47:39] +Cranham: yeah shuca dialga
- [15:47:42] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [15:47:47] %Lord Outrage: lets say we went for shuca dialga
- [15:47:51] %Lord Outrage: and we keep ekiller
- [15:49:09] +baller620: ok
- [15:49:35] +toon linked: ah. ubers workshop eh?
- [15:49:39] #haxiom: idk if mewtwo completely fixes the darkrai problem since it still sleeps something
- [15:49:48] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [15:49:59] +toon linked: nice
- [15:50:05] %Lord Outrage: i mean
- [15:50:05] %Lord Outrage: i dont think either that a sleep absorber is affordable
- [15:50:43] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i mean, theres always scarf xern, but geo might be more wanted as a win con on his team
- [15:50:51] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [15:50:54] %Lord Outrage: geo is needed here
- [15:50:55] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: we do also have e killer to revenge rai
- [15:51:59] #haxiom: what about rest talk geomancy?
- [15:52:15] %Lord Outrage: that doesn't really check darkrai
- [15:52:22] +Cranham: Mewtwo def pressures darkrai
- [15:52:22] %Lord Outrage: but it can absorb sleep
- [15:52:24] +Cranham: for sure
- [15:52:25] %Lord Outrage: so its not bad
- [15:52:34] #haxiom: like absorb sleep with that and pressure with mewtwo + ekiller
- [15:52:44] %Lord Outrage: ok lets suppose
- [15:52:48] +Cranham: Mewtwo really fits the future build
- [15:53:27] %Lord Outrage: we went for stalk xerneas mewtwo ekiller mence groudon
- [15:53:47] %Lord Outrage: and dialga
- [15:53:56] +baller620: ok
- [15:54:04] %Lord Outrage: this looks solid enough to take on everything
- [15:54:08] %Lord Outrage: doesn't it
- [15:54:20] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think it looks good with that build
- [15:54:26] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [15:54:28] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [15:54:31] +Cranham: just run thunder on dialga
- [15:54:33] %Lord Outrage: baller620
- [15:54:36] +baller620: ok thanks for the help
- [15:54:36] +Cranham: to pressure ho-oh and waterceus
- [15:54:41] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: make sure to make salamence ddance and groudon rp
- [15:54:49] %Lord Outrage: focus with me
- [15:54:49] %Lord Outrage: lol
- [15:54:50] %Lord Outrage: no i need to give you the optimal sets
- [15:54:59] +baller620: k
- [15:55:01] %Lord Outrage: so first keep ekiller as it is
- [15:55:15] %Lord Outrage: second replace salamence spread with
- [15:55:18] %Lord Outrage: 176 in speed
- [15:55:21] %Lord Outrage: max attack adamant
- [15:55:25] %Lord Outrage: and remaining in hp
- [15:55:32] %Lord Outrage: running refresh on it is nice
- [15:55:56] %Lord Outrage: with dd edge/return and roost
- [15:56:09] +baller620: ok
- [15:56:16] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [15:56:22] +Cranham: I dont like edge refresh
- [15:56:27] %Lord Outrage: now use a shuca berry dialga
- [15:56:31] %Lord Outrage: he can use return
- [15:56:34] %Lord Outrage: its a preference really
- [15:56:40] +Cranham: yh true
- [15:56:45] %Lord Outrage: what spread for dialga
- [15:57:01] %Lord Outrage: i usually run some speed
- [15:57:02] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: 12 speed
- XY Dialga analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
- [15:57:04] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: ?
- [15:57:05] +Cranham: Honestly i just run enough to creep
- [15:57:09] #haxiom: i mean its just arbitrary speed creep
- [15:57:13] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [15:57:13] +Cranham: 12 speed 90s like tina-o
- [15:57:17] +Cranham: So around 20
- [15:57:19] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [15:57:22] %Lord Outrage: baller620
- [15:57:26] %Lord Outrage: use 248 hp
- [15:57:28] %Lord Outrage: modest
- [15:57:30] +baller620: ok
- [15:57:32] %Lord Outrage: 248 spe attack
- [15:57:34] %Lord Outrage: 12 speed
- [15:57:41] %Lord Outrage: put draco stealth rock
- [15:57:42] %Lord Outrage: thunder
- [15:57:45] %Lord Outrage: and twave
- [15:57:52] +Cranham: ?
- [15:58:07] +baller620: ok
- [15:58:13] %Lord Outrage: ok now
- [15:58:16] %Lord Outrage: for the xerneas
- [15:58:18] +Cranham: how does he force diancie out with that set
- [15:58:22] +Cranham: curious question
- [15:58:37] %Lord Outrage: i dont think diancie is staying in on that
- [15:58:45] +Cranham: i always thought the point of dialga was so it could anti lead magic bouncers
- [15:58:49] %Lord Outrage: he can run flash cannon instead of twave but then he becomes set up bait
- [15:59:06] +Cranham: whats t-wave doing to ekiller
- [15:59:15] %Lord Outrage: its doing to xerneas
- [15:59:19] +Cranham: hmm
- [15:59:27] %Lord Outrage: actually twave is twave
- [15:59:29] %Lord Outrage: and its useful
- [15:59:31] %Lord Outrage: anyway
- [15:59:32] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: id say its personal preference between t wave and flash cnanon
- [15:59:34] +Cranham: Lolazo true
- [15:59:39] %Lord Outrage: what else
- [15:59:49] %Lord Outrage: run a classic mewtwo
- [15:59:52] %Lord Outrage: you get from here
- [15:59:56] %Lord Outrage: with taunt 3 moves
- [16:00:02] %Lord Outrage: !analysis mewtwo
- XY Mewtwo analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
- [16:00:09] %Lord Outrage: from the left link
- [16:00:12] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: taunt psystrike ice beam focus blast?
- [16:00:15] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: something like that?
- [16:00:20] %Lord Outrage: yeah
- [16:00:25] %Lord Outrage: i think he needs fireblast tho
- [16:00:52] +Cranham: well
- [16:01:02] +Cranham: fire blast over ice beam?
- [16:01:26] %Lord Outrage: no
- [16:01:29] %Lord Outrage: mm
- [16:01:30] %Lord Outrage: ok ok
- [16:01:35] +Cranham: love 4mss
- [16:01:43] +Cranham: you kinda need taunt
- [16:01:45] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: ikr
- [16:01:52] %Lord Outrage: lets keep focus
- [16:01:53] %Lord Outrage: to make it better versus ho
- [16:01:54] %Lord Outrage: since it one shots darkrai and does tons to ekiller and mence
- [16:01:55] +Cranham: Psytrike + focus is quinnessetial
- [16:02:03] +Cranham: on any mewtwo
- [16:02:20] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:02:20] %Lord Outrage: so
- [16:02:24] %Lord Outrage: for the groudon
- [16:02:28] %Lord Outrage: double dance seems nice
- [16:02:33] %Lord Outrage: for this team
- [16:02:37] %Lord Outrage: helps versus offense too
- [16:02:39] %Lord Outrage: by giving pace
- [16:02:50] %Lord Outrage: !analysis primal groudon
- XY Groudon analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
- [16:02:51] +Cranham: Don is just don tho
- [16:02:53] +Cranham: ngl
- [16:03:01] %Lord Outrage: pick the double dance set
- [16:03:03] %Lord Outrage: from here
- [16:03:09] %Lord Outrage: anyway we're done
- [16:03:21] %Lord Outrage: baller620
- [16:03:24] %Lord Outrage: anything else?
- [16:03:30] +baller620: ok thanks for the help
- [16:03:37] %Lord Outrage: welcome
- [16:03:42] #haxiom: alright then
- [16:03:44] %Lord Outrage: ok next
- [16:03:47] %Lord Outrage: is trap god here
- (baller620 was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
- [16:03:59] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: The Trap God?
- [16:04:09] %Lord Outrage: http://hastebin.com/apahizerak.md
- [16:04:13] %Lord Outrage: ok he's here
- [16:04:16] %Lord Outrage: haxiom plz voice him
- The Trap God was promoted to Room Voice by haxiom.
- [16:04:37] +Cranham: is this The Trap God's team
- [16:04:41] +The Trap God: whats good
- [16:05:00] %Lord Outrage: hi
- [16:05:04] %Lord Outrage: nice
- [16:05:09] %Lord Outrage: a darkceus
- [16:05:09] %Lord Outrage: lets have some fun
- [16:05:12] +The Trap God: wanted to build around darkceus lol
- [16:05:15] +Cranham: damn a darkceus m-gengar team
- [16:05:21] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: darkceus :o
- [16:05:21] +Cranham: nice nice
- [16:05:25] +The Trap God: was working on it this morning and figured id do this when i saw you were doin it
- [16:05:35] +The Trap God: see what your guys thoughts were
- [16:05:45] +Cranham: the issue I have with these teams is they tend to be weak to diancie
- [16:05:58] +The Trap God: y i noticed that too
- [16:06:10] +Cranham: this one does not like geomancy xerneas
- XY Diancie analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
- [16:06:22] +Cranham: oh nvm theres a ho-oh
- [16:06:24] +Cranham: im blind
- [16:06:28] +The Trap God: lol
- [16:06:36] %Lord Outrage: ok so this team
- [16:06:37] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: some set optimization might be nice as well
- [16:06:39] +Cranham: i swear i saw 6 mons alreadly
- [16:06:41] %Lord Outrage: has issues with offense
- [16:06:44] +The Trap God: ight
- [16:07:02] %Lord Outrage: also
- [16:07:10] %Lord Outrage: xerneas and diancie
- [16:07:14] %Lord Outrage: are threatening
- [16:07:23] %Lord Outrage: well xerneas on offense is
- [16:07:24] +Cranham: yeah classic HO really dances on this team hmm
- [16:07:32] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:07:34] %Lord Outrage: i think
- [16:07:37] +The Trap God: i originally had keys and sr don
- [16:07:38] %Lord Outrage: you latios
- [16:07:40] %Lord Outrage: needs memento
- [16:07:43] +The Trap God: ight
- [16:07:46] %Lord Outrage: just to avoid problems with xerneas
- [16:07:55] %Lord Outrage: but lets try to fix the diancie weakness first
- [16:08:55] %Lord Outrage: i think
- [16:09:07] %Lord Outrage: all diancie teams
- [16:09:07] +Cranham: what you feel about ogre Lord Outrage
- [16:09:07] %Lord Outrage: tend to have no switch ins
- [16:09:08] %Lord Outrage: to mewtwo/deo-A
- [16:09:14] +Cranham: or m2
- [16:10:01] #haxiom: its hard to fit those though
- [16:10:04] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [16:10:11] %Lord Outrage: or at least shaky ones
- [16:10:11] %Lord Outrage: so we can abuse this
- [16:10:12] %Lord Outrage: ogre is a good idea
- [16:10:12] %Lord Outrage: too
- [16:10:13] %Lord Outrage: soecially ogre
- [16:10:25] %Lord Outrage: oops lag
- [16:10:27] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:10:37] %Lord Outrage: lets think for a bit
- [16:10:58] +Cranham: this is such a fun core and i havent seen a team with it
- [16:11:58] #haxiom: what about ferrothorn to help vs diancie and ekiller
- [16:12:22] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: ferro>dialga?
- [16:12:41] +Cranham: yeah rocks ferro
- [16:12:45] +The Trap God: hmm
- [16:12:46] +Cranham: over dialga could work
- [16:12:53] +Cranham: ill throw this into teambuilder
- [16:13:02] +The Trap God: i feel like that makes me alot weaker to ho oh giving it a free switch in
- [16:13:04] +Cranham: but it just worsens his matchup vs offense
- [16:13:09] +Cranham: and ho-oh balance
- [16:13:40] #haxiom: yeah it would require other changes
- [16:13:46] +The Trap God: yea
- [16:13:51] +Cranham: yeah im tempted
- [16:14:00] +Cranham: to replace gengar w/ bulky mence
- [16:14:19] +The Trap God: that kind of defeats the purpose of the team
- [16:14:25] +Cranham: yes it does
- [16:14:44] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: can't exactly have a darkceus gengar core without gengar :p
- [16:14:48] +The Trap God: those are the two mons i dont wanna change darkceus mgar
- [16:15:07] +Cranham: okay Im gonna start with
- [16:15:13] +Cranham: Mgar + darkceus + ferro
- [16:16:01] %Lord Outrage: thoughts on gengar/darkceus/mewtwo/dialga/rayquaza/groudon
- [16:16:13] +The Trap God: charti ray?
- [16:16:28] +The Trap God: lo gets worked by rp donner
- [16:16:30] +Cranham: yeah, the offense route could work
- [16:16:40] +Cranham: charti ray or lum ray
- [16:16:45] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm'
- [16:17:36] +The Trap God: i like the offense route
- [16:17:44] +The Trap God: i think that might be the way to go
- [16:17:50] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: seems more suited for the team tbh
- [16:17:53] +The Trap God: cuz you cant really have a balance without support arc
- [16:17:54] +Cranham: darkceus + mgar
- [16:18:05] +Cranham: already has a good matchup vs stall
- [16:18:10] +The Trap God: yea
- [16:18:13] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:18:17] %Lord Outrage: i think this is the best
- [16:18:20] %Lord Outrage: it can reach
- [16:18:21] %Lord Outrage: like
- [16:18:23] +Cranham: Lord Outrage the god
- [16:18:30] %Lord Outrage: darkceus+mgengar
- [16:18:35] %Lord Outrage: is not that good initially
- [16:18:41] %Lord Outrage: and mewtwo will give you the edge
- [16:18:44] %Lord Outrage: versus diancie balance
- [16:18:46] %Lord Outrage: since most
- [16:18:50] %Lord Outrage: don't even have switch ins
- [16:18:53] %Lord Outrage: to the taunt LO variant
- [16:19:02] %Lord Outrage: their best switch is like waterceus
- [16:19:09] +Cranham: Lol
- [16:19:15] %Lord Outrage: or groudon
- [16:19:16] +The Trap God: true lol
- [16:19:21] %Lord Outrage: if groudon is down
- [16:19:26] %Lord Outrage: its even either for you then
- [16:19:30] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: and groudon takes a lot from ep n_n
- [16:19:39] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:19:45] %Lord Outrage: do i need to give you any sets
- [16:19:48] %Lord Outrage: the trap god
- [16:19:52] %Lord Outrage: you're a good player
- [16:20:24] +The Trap God: what do you think? dd ray or 4 attacks
- [16:20:30] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: imo 4 attacks
- [16:20:38] +Cranham: if you're going w/ 4 attacks, banded
- [16:20:43] +Cranham: but charti should be dd
- [16:20:49] +The Trap God: yea
- [16:20:56] +Cranham: Personally i think lum or charti
- [16:21:12] +The Trap God: im leaning towards dd charti
- [16:21:16] #haxiom: you probably need charti for pdon
- [16:21:16] +Cranham: so you can actually switch into don when needed
- [16:21:23] +The Trap God: yea
- [16:21:25] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: mm yeah thats probably better
- [16:21:48] +Cranham: DD ray is still good
- [16:21:55] %Lord Outrage: i would say
- [16:21:56] %Lord Outrage: dd charti
- [16:21:57] %Lord Outrage: for sure
- [16:21:59] +Cranham: yeah
- [16:22:02] +The Trap God: and then focus m2?
- [16:22:10] +Cranham: focus ice beam taunt strike
- [16:22:11] +Cranham: m2
- [16:22:18] %Lord Outrage: yes
- [16:22:23] %Lord Outrage: that gives you the edge
- [16:22:32] %Lord Outrage: versus sand teams too
- [16:22:33] %Lord Outrage: fblast is needed here
- [16:22:40] %Lord Outrage: mewtwo is the mvp
- [16:22:42] %Lord Outrage: on your team
- [16:22:45] %Lord Outrage: like
- [16:22:48] %Lord Outrage: it makes it so much better
- [16:22:52] +The Trap God: yea i agree
- [16:22:52] +Cranham: The cliche diancie balance has like no switch ins to that coverage
- [16:22:53] +Cranham: lol
- [16:23:00] +The Trap God: yea lmao
- [16:23:05] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: "cliche diancie" kek
- [16:23:08] %Lord Outrage: OK anything else
- [16:23:14] +The Trap God: think im set
- [16:23:18] +The Trap God: thanks for the help guys
- [16:23:32] #haxiom: alright then, next team
- [16:23:56] +Cranham: oh the gengar set is a bit meh
- [16:24:02] +Cranham: before we go to the next team
- [16:24:15] %Lord Outrage: is facepalm's plot here?
- [16:24:23] +The Trap God: for mgar
- [16:24:30] #haxiom: what about it cranham?
- [16:24:33] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i don't really see a problem with it tbh. maybe shadow ball would work but seems fine
- [16:24:38] +Cranham: its sludge wave focus blast
- [16:24:50] +The Trap God: i was figuring didnt need ghost coverage with darkceus
- [16:24:54] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: thats what most gengar run
- [16:25:03] %Lord Outrage: keep it as is imo
- [16:25:11] %Lord Outrage: sludge wave can take down diancie
- [16:25:13] %Lord Outrage: after rocks
- [16:25:14] +Cranham: hmm okay
- [16:25:19] +The Trap God: actually
- [16:25:22] #haxiom: sludge wave has good synergy with darkceus
- [16:25:22] +The Trap God: about the mgar set
- [16:25:23] +Cranham: preferece i guess
- [16:25:32] %Lord Outrage: yeah haxiom is right
- [16:25:36] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: mgar is literally all prefernece
- [16:25:48] +The Trap God: what do you guys think of taunt for blissey
- [16:25:50] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: one of the worst 4mss in the game lol
- [16:26:11] %Lord Outrage: ok rip ogasian
- [16:26:16] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i don't think bliss is that big of an issue
- [16:26:22] +The Trap God: well like
- [16:26:29] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: protect seems better to deal with arc more reliably
- [16:26:43] %Lord Outrage: is virachi here
- [16:26:43] %Lord Outrage: ttg your gengar is fine
- [16:26:44] %Lord Outrage: is virachi here
- [16:26:45] +The Trap God: snatch blissey can be annoying if you're trying to win with darkceus
- [16:26:47] +The Trap God: and ight
- [16:26:50] +The Trap God: pce guys
- [16:27:02] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: is anyone here ._.
- (The Trap God was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
- [16:27:16] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh Virachi is here
- [16:27:31] %Lord Outrage: ok virachi
- Virachi was promoted to Room Voice by haxiom.
- [16:27:36] %Lord Outrage: also the trap god
- [16:27:41] %Lord Outrage: its not like you need a darkceus sweep
- [16:27:44] %Lord Outrage: to win versus stall
- [16:27:50] %Lord Outrage: you have a gengar that can kill ttar
- [16:27:53] %Lord Outrage: and an sd groudon
- [16:27:57] %Lord Outrage: and a taunt mewtwo
- [16:28:00] %Lord Outrage: so
- [16:28:10] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah stall doesn't seem like an issue at all
- [16:28:11] %Lord Outrage: taunt is not needed
- [16:28:12] %Lord Outrage: at all
- [16:28:16] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:28:18] %Lord Outrage: NEXT
- [16:28:24] %Lord Outrage: haxiom please voice my nigga virachi
- [16:28:28] +Virachi: he did
- [16:28:30] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
- [16:28:31] +Virachi: lmaooo
- [16:28:32] +Cranham: I just prefer 3 atks m-gar but yh its preference
- [16:28:36] %Lord Outrage: o sorry
- [16:28:48] +Cranham: now i think about it there was a darkceus
- [16:28:50] %Lord Outrage: http://pastebin.com/TVDzjnnt
- [16:29:25] +Virachi: i was thinking of making the speed on mence
- [16:29:27] +Virachi: 290
- [16:29:36] +Virachi: to outspeed mence
- [16:30:47] %Lord Outrage: i think
- [16:30:48] %Lord Outrage: the biggest weakness is stall
- [16:31:05] +Cranham: klefki set
- [16:31:09] +Cranham: is a bit redundant
- [16:31:28] +Virachi: i use it for extra spD and Def
- [16:31:43] +Virachi: and to set up
- [16:31:45] +Virachi: easy
- [16:31:56] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i mean its really only for arc
- [16:32:34] %Lord Outrage: screen helps versus offense
- [16:32:35] %Lord Outrage: how is it redundant ?
- [16:32:35] %Lord Outrage: its classic screens
- [16:32:48] %Lord Outrage: ok
- [16:32:49] +Cranham: its only helping out arc
- [16:32:59] +Cranham: and hes better off w/ spikes
- [16:32:59] %Lord Outrage: the duo mence and ogre
- [16:33:02] %Lord Outrage: is good for ho oh
- [16:33:08] %Lord Outrage: and the duo mence+groundceus
- [16:33:13] %Lord Outrage: is good for primal groudon
- [16:33:18] %Lord Outrage: so that's pretty good
- [16:33:39] %Lord Outrage: now
- [16:33:59] %Lord Outrage: klefki checks yveltal dakrrai
- [16:34:02] %Lord Outrage: and helps him versus offense
- [16:34:07] %Lord Outrage: i see no reason to remove it at all
- [16:34:27] +Cranham: i still think the spikes toxic t-wave play rough set
- [16:34:31] +Cranham: would be more optimal here
- [16:34:34] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: eh i guess
- [16:35:18] +Cranham: it applies more pressure than that set
- [16:35:35] %Lord Outrage: that set gives bulk
- [16:35:37] %Lord Outrage: to the team
- [16:35:46] +Cranham: the team is too passive
- [16:35:50] +Cranham: for screens imo
- [16:35:52] +Cranham: but okay
- [16:35:58] %Lord Outrage: and has the chance to come in many times versus offense
- [16:36:01] %Lord Outrage: versus mence and rai
- [16:36:49] +Cranham: i mean i would agree with you if this was a more offensive build
- [16:37:14] +Cranham: since it actually helps out vs opposing offense
- [16:37:22] %Lord Outrage: we can turn it
- [16:37:26] %Lord Outrage: a but more offensive
- [16:37:29] %Lord Outrage: mmmmmm
- [16:37:42] +Cranham: if you want screens klefki and a more offensive build sure
- [16:38:40] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: is defensive mence really needed since u have groudon and ogre for ho oh?
- [16:38:57] +Virachi: ho-oh
- [16:39:02] %Lord Outrage: lets say we put scarf landorus instead of groundceus and rockceus with rocks instead of groundceus, then we can replace mence with a more offensive set and put sd on groudon
- [16:39:15] +Cranham: how do you feel about Bulky DD mence, Giratina-O with defog > yveltal and maybe spdef pogre
- [16:39:21] %Lord Outrage: i mean scarf lando instead of yveltal
- [16:39:37] +Virachi: scarf lando
- [16:39:39] +Virachi: ok
- [16:39:44] +Virachi: added
- [16:40:09] %Lord Outrage: we can add then like
- [16:40:12] %Lord Outrage: something instead of ogre
- [16:40:20] %Lord Outrage: ok lets look a bit at the team first
- [16:40:28] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait so whats the team now lol
- [16:40:38] +Virachi: same thing
- [16:40:43] %Lord Outrage: offensive mence/scarf lando/sd groudon/rockceus/klefki
- [16:41:08] %Lord Outrage: mmm
- [16:41:13] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: whats the 6th?
- [16:41:39] +Cranham: Bulky DD mence/ Pdon / Pogre / Groundceus / Klefki / Tina-o
- [16:42:07] %Lord Outrage: problem is
- [16:42:08] %Lord Outrage: cranham
- [16:42:09] %Lord Outrage: with your changes
- [16:42:09] %Lord Outrage: he is still weak to stall
- [16:42:23] %Lord Outrage: this is looking not bad
- [16:42:27] +Cranham: even with Bulky DD mence? lol
- [16:42:30] +Cranham: and pogre
- [16:42:36] %Lord Outrage: bulky dd mance
- [16:42:37] +Cranham: rest pogre is good vs stall
- [16:42:38] %Lord Outrage: mence
- [16:42:42] %Lord Outrage: can't break stall
- [16:42:46] %Lord Outrage: and rest can only absorb status
- [16:43:00] %Lord Outrage: its not killing anything
- [16:43:12] +Cranham: Idk I have that build and i havent had issues playing stall
- [16:43:49] +Cranham: its just a long game vs a competent player but i have a decent matchup
- [16:44:17] %Lord Outrage: noway you can break stall tho
- [16:44:21] %Lord Outrage: really
- [16:44:42] +Cranham: rest primals are so good vs stall cause they cant break it
- [16:44:42] %Lord Outrage: haxiom
- [16:44:44] %Lord Outrage: say something
- [16:44:49] %Lord Outrage: :v
- [16:44:49] +Cranham: and end up losing their blissey
- [16:45:13] #haxiom: hi sorry
- [16:45:52] #haxiom: i don't think stalemating stall is a particularly reliable way to beat it
- [16:46:02] +Cranham: [21:40:21] %Lord Outrage: offensive mence/scarf lando/sd groudon/rockceus/klefki
- [16:46:06] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: m2 or something perhaps?
- [16:46:07] +Cranham: Idk how i feel about this build
- [16:46:13] +Cranham: it's weak to ogre
- [16:46:24] %Lord Outrage: it still has
- [16:46:28] %Lord Outrage: 1 free slot
- [16:47:08] +Virachi: lati?
- [16:47:11] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i mean it does have pdon, but other than that, ogre indeed looks annoying
- [16:47:38] %Lord Outrage: i would say latios
- [16:47:44] %Lord Outrage: for last
- [16:47:58] %Lord Outrage: offensive mence/scarf lando/sd groudon/rockceus/klefki.latios
- [16:48:05] %Lord Outrage: how does that look
- [16:48:10] +Cranham: it looks okay
- [16:48:19] +Virachi: good
- [16:48:23] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: that looks solid
- [16:48:29] %Lord Outrage: ok go for like
- [16:48:30] #haxiom: yeah it looks solid to me as well
- [16:48:41] %Lord Outrage: 3 moves+defog
- [16:48:43] %Lord Outrage: on latios
- [16:49:07] %Lord Outrage: i think this teams
- [16:49:07] +Cranham: yh
- [16:49:09] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: defog draco psyshock hp fire/gk?
- [16:49:14] %Lord Outrage: hp fire
- [16:49:16] %Lord Outrage: sounds good
- [16:49:16] +Cranham: gk psyshock defog draco
- [16:49:26] %Lord Outrage: or grass knot
- [16:49:28] %Lord Outrage: mmmmm
- [16:49:39] %Lord Outrage: i would say know
- [16:49:39] +Virachi: so no recovery
- [16:49:40] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [16:49:41] +Virachi: ight
- [16:49:47] %Lord Outrage: knot
- [16:49:49] +Cranham: gk so you dont have to draco a weakend pdon
- [16:49:54] +Cranham: and let ekiller in for free
- [16:49:56] #haxiom: i feel like darkrai + mence + ekiller is annoying for this
- [16:49:58] %Lord Outrage: also for ttae
- [16:49:59] %Lord Outrage: ttar
- [16:50:02] %Lord Outrage: like
- [16:50:04] +Cranham: yeah that too
- [16:50:13] %Lord Outrage: that gives mence
- [16:50:15] %Lord Outrage: way more freedom
- [16:50:16] +Cranham: Thats where the screens klefki comes in
- [16:50:21] %Lord Outrage: and since ttar carries rocks usually
- [16:50:28] %Lord Outrage: if you kill it
- [16:50:31] %Lord Outrage: its becomes easier
- [16:50:36] %Lord Outrage: yh
- [16:50:41] %Lord Outrage: keep your klefki too
- [16:50:49] %Lord Outrage: so this workshop ends here
- [16:50:57] %Lord Outrage: we did a good job
- [16:51:01] #haxiom: any questions virachi?
- [16:51:08] +Virachi: none ty
- [16:51:14] %Lord Outrage: special thx to sado and cranham
- [16:51:26] %Lord Outrage: we really appreciated both your presences
- [16:51:38] +Virachi: yep
- [16:51:47] #haxiom: alright then
- (haxiom set modchat to autoconfirmed)
- Moderated chat was set to autoconfirmed!
- Only users of rank autoconfirmed and higher can talk.
- (Virachi was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
- [16:51:57] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: i mean, i think the real person to think here is outrage :]
- [16:52:01] +Futatsuiwa of Sado: thank*
- [16:52:09] %Lord Outrage: WORKSHOP OFFICIALLY DONE THANKS ALL
- [16:52:12] %Lord Outrage: thx sado :3
- [16:52:18] +Cranham: thanks LO
- [16:52:19] %Lord Outrage: we all did well tho
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