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  1. +CaveGuy 14:08:42
  2. https://www.nationofchange.org/2018/10/12/demanding-kavanaugh-impeachment-law-students-launch-nation...
  3. RachelThompson 14:09:48
  4. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/29/climate/coastal-cities-underwater.html?action=click&m...
  5. The amount of suffering humans are in for in this lifetime is extraordinary.
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  8. RachelThompson 14:10:30
  9. It's crazy to think when I was a child I generally thought the utopic future of Star Trek: The Next Generation was in store for our species.
  10. And now, it's so clearly an Elysium future.
  11. +Joel 14:10:41
  12. CaveGuy is there any evidence that kavanaugh is guilty of the accusations?
  13. RachelThompson 14:10:43
  14. Or global annihilation.
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  16. +AutoPirate 14:11:16
  17. Will the rising seas erase Washington?
  18. RachelThompson 14:11:19
  19. Joel: There is tremendous evidence he is guilty of at least some of the accusations.
  20. +Joel 14:11:34
  21. RachelThompson such as?
  22. RachelThompson 14:11:52
  23. Joel: I want to know your current education level on this topic.
  24. Did you watch any of his confirmation hearings?
  25. +AutoPirate 14:12:11
  26. Swamp the swamp!
  27. +Joel 14:12:40
  28. RachelThompson i've seen enough to at the very least doubt his guilt, and frankly i find it more likely than not that it was false
  29. it should be noted though that i wouldn't have nominated him
  30. RachelThompson 14:13:19
  31. Joel: He repeatedly lied to the Senate about key questions surrounding the accusations.
  32. Why do you believe he did that, given you deny his guilt?
  33. +Joel 14:13:25
  34. i'm not in favor of stacking the court with conservatives at all
  35. RachelThompson 14:13:41
  36. For example, "What is boofing?"
  37. Or, the story around the alumnus girl.
  38. He had a calendar entry that largely matched the time when Ford claimed the rape occurred.
  39. +Joel 14:14:15
  40. but elections have consequences and voting against him on flimsy accusations is convenient
  41. RachelThompson i believe he was protecting his friends with that stuff
  42. RachelThompson 14:14:23
  43. Joel: That's an entirely different topic.
  44. So I dismissed it.
  45. The first of the two posts.
  46. Why do you believe that?
  47. Why do you believe he committed perjury, a felony, by lying to the Senate, which is sufficient to prohibit him from being a SCOTUS justice, to protect his friends?
  48. +Joel 14:15:18
  49. no it isn't a different topic, it's the reason behind his defensiveness, he didn't want to be a narc, he probably suspected his friends did some bad things but that wasn't relevant to the proceedings
  50. RachelThompson 14:15:26
  51. Normally, when people commit felonies, they're doing so to cover up something even worse, right.
  52. What kinds of bad things do you think his friends may have done?
  53. Criminal things?
  54. Joel: Do you agree that if he chose to "not be a narc", he committed the felony of perjury and is disqualified from being on SCOTUS?
  55. RachelThompson 14:18:15
  56. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/allegations-against-brett-kavanaugh-are-not-simply-he-said-she...
  57. While some argue that the truth about this incident will come down to a “he said, she said” situation, that’s not how it looks to us. Prosecutors and investigators are confronted with these scenarios frequently and don’t just throw up their hands and say, “We can’t decide.” Instead, prosecutors look for corroborating evidence — and there are strong indications already that Ford is telling the truth about her attack. Here are some of those indicators:
  58. First, there is corroboration. Ford’s therapist’s notes in 2012, provided to The Washington Post, generally record her account of the attack. To believe that this is a made-up tale to prevent Kavanaugh’s confirmation, Ford would have had to plant the seeds of this story in 2012. That makes no sense.
  59. Second, while not determinative, the fact that Ford passed a polygraph administered by a former FBI agent lends credence to her claims. Polygraph exams are inadmissible in court because they are not always reliable, but the FBI and other law enforcement agencies frequently use polygraph tests to assess the credibility of witnesses and defendants.
  60. In addition, consider the motives of Ford, who by all accounts is not a particularly politically active person, to go public with allegations of sexual assault. It appears that she did not want to speak publicly at all, but that reporters discovered her identity and pursued her. Ford knew that she would be personally attacked in front of her children, colleagues, students and friends. There is no reasonable explanation for why she would subject herself to such humiliation other than the reason she has given: that she felt she had a duty as a citizen to speak up.
  61. There was a highly credible claim of rape against a SCOTUS nominee.
  62. +Joel 14:19:53
  63. i don't see it as perjury, i see it as giving the middle finger to feinstein et al
  64. sexual assault
  65. yeah i suspect that ford was attacked, just not by him
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  67. +Joel 14:19:53
  68. no i don't
  69. not under the circumstances
  70. +GreenBlue 14:19:53
  71. so you think ford made it up?
  72. +Joel 14:19:53
  73. GreenBlue i think she lied with regard to kavanaugh specifically, yes
  74. +GreenBlue 14:19:53
  75. based on what?
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  79. ⓘ Civil Rights icon and Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings has died at 68 - Also for gods sakes go see Joker!!!!!
  80. DALnet 14:20:14
  81. This channel is protected, you may need to wait 40 seconds before being able to talk!
  82. ⓘ Raven`X gives voice to innit
  83. +Joel 14:20:19
  84. wb innit
  85. +innit 14:20:33
  86. ty
  87. What was the last post you saw from me?
  88. 14:20:46
  89. Cannot change nickname while banned or moderated on channel
  90. +GreenBlue 14:20:49
  91. yeah i'm sure they would do all that just to keep him off
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  93. +Joel 14:21:00
  94. do you really not see a motive there?
  95. +RachelThompson 14:21:02
  96. ty
  97. What was the last post you saw from me?
  98. +GreenBlue 14:21:15
  99. i really don't see you make any valid points
  100. +Joel 14:21:16
  101. 05:16:49pm <+RachelThompson> Joel: Do you agree that if he chose to "not be a narc", he committed the felony of perjury and is disqualified from being on SCOTUS? 05:16:56pm <+Joel> no i don't 05:17:02pm <+Joel> not under the circumstances
  102. +GreenBlue 14:21:18
  103. making
  104. +RachelThompson 14:21:26
  105. Joel: Your position is indefensible.
  106. I think I consider the debate with you on this topic resolved at this time.
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  109. +Joel 14:21:48
  110. GreenBlue some of us can read between the lines more than others, hence my "MSNBC drones" comment
  111. +GreenBlue 14:21:53
  112. your postion is ford and the other women all lied to keep him off the SC
  113. +Joel 14:22:04
  114. GreenBlue as best i can tell, that's the case
  115. +RachelThompson 14:22:04
  116. "Giving the middle finger to Feinstein" is, at best, a motivation you're guessing/fabricating about Kavanaugh.
  117. +GreenBlue 14:22:04
  118. read between the lines...lol you mean make stuff up?
  119. +RachelThompson 14:22:10
  120. I didn't ask you about his motivation.
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  122. +RachelThompson 14:22:20
  123. You answered a question that you weren't asked, while deflecting from the question you were asked.
  124. My question was, when he lied, he became guilty of felony perjury, right?
  125. The intention of the liar in such proceedings is wholly irrelevant.
  126. 14:22:47
  127. * AutoPirate scribbles outside the lines
  128. +GreenBlue 14:22:58
  129. so what's your evidence all these women were secretly conspiring to lie about him?
  130. +Joel 14:23:10
  131. look, i'm not expecting my opinion to be popular here.. i've been through this before, last year during the hearings, and more recently with the allegation from his college (that was quickly cast in doubt)
  132. +GreenBlue 14:23:11
  133. cuz they'd have to be if what you say is true
  134. +RachelThompson 14:23:21
  135. Joel: It's not that your opinion is unpopular or popular.
  136. It's that it's incoherent.
  137. And I reject it on its basis of incoherency.
  138. +GreenBlue 14:23:32
  139. yeah like a flat earther
  140. +RachelThompson 14:23:36
  141. "Giving the finger to Feinstein" is incoherent.
  142. +Joel 14:23:39
  143. RachelThompson again, i don't consider it perjury, he probably never witnessed that shit, but he probably suspected it and didn't want to say that on live TV
  144. +GreenBlue 14:23:45
  145. they sure think they're right
  146. +RachelThompson 14:23:49
  147. Joel: We know 100% he lied.
  148. There's a very credible allegation of rape against him, AND he we know 100% he lied.
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  151. +Joel 14:24:16
  152. ultimately he did what he had to do
  153. i can't fault the man for that
  154. +GreenBlue 14:24:27
  155. for lying?
  156. +RachelThompson 14:24:28
  157. Joel: I have ended my engagement with you on this topic.
  158. I find your views pretty astoundingly Deplorable.
  159. +Joel 14:24:50
  160. GreenBlue he had no obligation to let them question him into a corner where he has to implicate his friends
  161. +RachelThompson 14:24:54
  162. The amount of defensiveness you're imputing into this case from your own status as a male is apparent and immoral.
  163. +Joel 14:25:05
  164. RachelThompson that's bullshit but have it your way
  165. * 14:25:15
  166. Ignoring Joel
  167. +GreenBlue 14:25:27
  168. victim blaming is the bullshit
  169. +RachelThompson 14:25:27
  170. Joel: I'm going to take a one hour break from you to let you wind down on this topic.
  171. You have no valid content on this topic.
  172. Every post you're doing is full narrative crafting.
  173. You have no evidence for anything you're saying.
  174. +AutoPirate 14:25:55
  175. Yeah, that’s what you want in a Supreme Court Justice, a man more loyal to his friends than the law ...
  176. +GreenBlue 14:26:00
  177. yeah no evidence of your claims..pretty silly
  178. +CaveGuy 14:26:07
  179. hi RachelThompson
  180. +RachelThompson 14:26:27
  181. CaveGuy: You are on ignore until Nov 9th 3:18p.
  182. +GreenBlue 14:26:27
  183. all these women conspiring to stop him from the SC is pretty far fetched
  184. * 14:26:29
  185. Ignoring CaveGuy
  186. +RachelThompson 14:26:42
  187. GreenBlue: He is asserting claims without evidence.
  188. You can dismiss his claims without evidence.
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