[21:20:34] Trainer Nalys: .
[21:22:19] ConicSans: hi
[21:29:23] Trainer Nalys: hi
[21:31:58] ConicSans: is there anything you wanted to say
[21:32:06] Trainer Nalys: No
[21:32:15] ConicSans: ok
[21:32:28] Trainer Nalys: just wanted a friend but I guess there is no point
[23:14:55] Trainer Nalys: How are you
[23:15:33] ConicSans: I'm tired, and you?
[23:15:50] Trainer Nalys: Alright
[23:15:56] Trainer Nalys: Why are you tired
[23:16:12] ConicSans: because i got up at 5 am today for o chem lab and now it's 11
[23:16:30] ConicSans: (tbh i was about to go to bed lol)
[23:16:58] Trainer Nalys: Ah. So you're still in high school?
[23:17:07] ConicSans: no im a 3rd year in college
[23:17:15] Trainer Nalys: Oh nice. How old are you?
[23:17:20] ConicSans: almost 21
[23:17:44] Trainer Nalys: Nice. I wanted to talk to you about something, but I am worried you will just go to someone else.
[23:18:01] ConicSans: I'll listen.
[23:18:55] Trainer Nalys: I am kind of upset that I am banned, but not because of me causing it.
[23:20:41] ConicSans: then why are you upset about it?
[23:21:09] Trainer Nalys: Because I feel like no one cared to listen to the real reason why I went to people.
[23:21:52] ConicSans: I'll listen
[23:21:55] Trainer Nalys: I just wanted actions taken to the users that broke the rules along with me and I just wanted someone to realize that.
[23:22:17] ConicSans: may i say something about that Nalys?
[23:22:29] ConicSans: allow me to use a metaphor if you will
[23:22:34] Trainer Nalys: Sure
[23:23:07] ConicSans: so let's say you go to the tiger exhibit at a zoo, and the tiger is really curious about the humans on the other side of the glass pane
[23:23:34] Trainer Nalys: Okay
[23:23:42] ConicSans: and it's kinda cool! the tiger is pressing its paw up on the glass, almost like it wants a high five
[23:23:51] ConicSans: people like this and are willing to interact with it
[23:23:53] ConicSans: however
[23:24:24] ConicSans: if that tiger somehow breaks the glass pane and manages to escape, there will rightfully be absolute terror and panic
[23:24:55] Trainer Nalys: Well yeah
[23:24:56] ConicSans: let's assume that the zookeepers are safely able to put the tiger back in the enclosure
[23:25:01] ConicSans: and fix the glass
[23:25:29] ConicSans: and no one was hurt in the incident, and as an extra precaution, the zookeepers reinforce the glass
[23:26:05] Trainer Nalys: Let me guess... I am the tiger and the zookeepers is staff?
[23:26:48] ConicSans: it doesnt matter how much glass you use to reinforce the initial pane, people who know about the mishap at your zoo will be much less inclined to go near the enclosure at all
[23:27:16] Trainer Nalys: So... I am the tiger and the zookeepers is staff?
[23:27:41] ConicSans: in a way yes but disclaimer, dont let this lead you to believe you are in an enclosure
[23:27:49] Trainer Nalys: I got a metaphor for you.
[23:27:52] ConicSans: this was the metaphor that just gets the point across the best
[23:27:59] ConicSans: hold on before you do
[23:28:18] ConicSans: when you initially came to the vgc room earlier this month
[23:28:43] ConicSans: you came off as a bit rude, understandably, as times have changed in the chatroom quite a bit since 2014
[23:29:12] ConicSans: and i believe you learned from those mistakes somewhat
[23:29:15] Trainer Nalys: may I share my metaphor before you continue?
[23:29:38] ConicSans: when i finish my thought then yes because ik what you will want to say if i dont finish this thought
[23:29:56] Trainer Nalys: What will I say?
[23:30:58] ConicSans: it's perceived differently when you had a bad week trying to get acclimated to the new atmosphere of the chatroom when you try to joke around vs another user that is known to be a light hearted goofball around the vgc chatroom
[23:31:30] ConicSans: just because your jokes might be similar to that of another user doesn't mean they are perceived the same
[23:31:43] ConicSans: this goes for the general users and the staff
[23:32:04] Trainer Nalys: The thing is that there were no issues the entire under Trainer Nalys and I made friends (even a VGC Twiitch user), but LightCore decided to do what he did.
[23:32:32] Trainer Nalys: If a staff member who knows better than to try to provoke or abuse, why was he not equally punished?
[23:32:36] ConicSans: that's another thing i wanted to address
[23:32:45] Trainer Nalys: He did is two days in a row. You weren't here for the issue yesterday
[23:32:46] ConicSans: he wasn't attempting to provoke you
[23:33:02] Trainer Nalys: He still insulted me. I would of been muted for telling him that.
[23:33:40] ConicSans: if you refer back to this battle the first day when you claimed he insulted you, you called his play weird if you remember. I saw the battle and i personally dont think the play was bad.
[23:33:57] ConicSans: he viewed your next play as suboptimal and he was not in a great mood already
[23:34:03] Trainer Nalys: I didn't say it was bad. I said it was weird because it was unexpected.
[23:34:16] ConicSans: it didn't come off that way, sorry
[23:34:20] ConicSans: to me or anyone :(
[23:34:55] Trainer Nalys: That is the issue. Why assume what someone means instead of asking them? Weird and bad are not even synonyms. They don't mean the same thing.
[23:35:15] ConicSans: and based on the issues you had on the Nalys account, I'm sure nick intended you meant the worst
[23:35:26] ConicSans: in lightcore's head, it did
[23:35:34] ConicSans: again, he was not in a good mood
[23:35:51] Trainer Nalys: I want to point something out.
[23:35:52] ConicSans: the two can be perceived as equal depending on mood i believe
[23:35:54] ConicSans: yes/
[23:35:57] ConicSans: yes?*
[23:37:15] Trainer Nalys: Anytime I argued on the Nalys account, it wasn't for insulting anyone or trying to be harmful. It was to do what was fair. Like with WOB, he said what I did but did not get muted. I was told to take it to staff, the RO kept leaving instead, and then I get punished for bothering staff.
[23:38:09] Trainer Nalys: I never disagreed that the mute was unworthy. I never said that. All I said was it needs to be fair. If a player did what I did, they should be equally held accountable. That wasn't the case and I felt that was an attack from certain staff members
[23:38:37] Trainer Nalys: LightCore doing what he did and made me believe my point. Like you said, not everyone will perceive it the same way.
[23:38:51] Trainer Nalys: had made*
[23:39:06] ConicSans: you're right in that regard
[23:39:47] ConicSans: do you have examples of what a player did that you did?
[23:40:04] Trainer Nalys: You were there
[23:40:09] ConicSans: because normally we hold accountable the users that seem to have started everything/flare it up
[23:40:18] ConicSans: i might have been online but i was doing a lot of homework
[23:40:31] Trainer Nalys: I told DaWob to let the bot do his job so he muted me, but the player that bot had warned told DaWob to stop minimodding.
[23:40:35] Trainer Nalys: No one muted him
[23:40:54] ConicSans: oh that
[23:41:03] Trainer Nalys: You also gave DaWob a pastebin, but not of the entire log
[23:42:08] Trainer Nalys: Instead of staff trying to listen to me, they decided that the first thing I told them should be reported to each other as evidence regardless of the situation that day or whatever.
[23:42:43] Trainer Nalys: Like when I asked a driver if they hated me, that has nothing to do with any of this. That is me having bad anxiety because I didn't want to be on the wrong foot with that driver.
[23:44:21] ConicSans: no one hates you Nalys
[23:44:28] Trainer Nalys: It felt like that
[23:44:42] ConicSans: we all come together because we like vgc
[23:44:57] Trainer Nalys: When LightCore ignored me when I asked why he was abusing me (the second time he did it), I went to a moderator. That is when I got banned for bothering staff.
[23:45:09] Trainer Nalys: If a staff member is causing me issues and I can't go to someone higher, who do I trust?
[23:45:31] Trainer Nalys: DaWob won't listen to me.
[23:45:42] ConicSans: I think the issue is that you were a bit quick to jump to abuse
[23:45:57] ConicSans: this day in age on showdown, no one likes to be called that
[23:46:35] Trainer Nalys: Yeah. Well, yesterday, LightCore decided to mute me in a battle that he was not apart of because I told a player his opponent made some unexpected plays in our match.
[23:47:16] Trainer Nalys: LightCore, VGC tournament or not, has no grounds to mute in a battle for that when he is not battling. It did not violate the rules, but no one cared for what he did.
[23:47:42] ConicSans: I think you're forgetting that
[23:47:57] ConicSans: any room tournament is a direct extension of the room
[23:48:12] Trainer Nalys: That is true, but only in cases that violate the rules
[23:48:15] ConicSans: any tour battles are therefore subject to moderation as seen fit by the staff
[23:48:39] Trainer Nalys: That is true, but only in cases that violate the rules or walks the line. What I said did not and no one else except staff is aware of the events that have gone on.
[23:49:11] Trainer Nalys: If the battlers didn't want someone talking, it is up to them to set modchat; not for LightCore to mute for his own reasons.
[23:50:01] ConicSans: I certainly feel like it was disrespectful and either modchat or a straight up mute is allowed
[23:50:15] Trainer Nalys: Let me pull up the battle
[23:50:16] ConicSans: by disrespectful i mean you were being disrespectful
[23:51:12] ConicSans: do you mean the battle where you got muted or the one where your opponent made plays you found to be odd
[23:51:23] ConicSans: cuz i would like to see both if you have them
[23:52:03] Trainer Nalys: I have the link, but they're expired oof
[23:52:12] ConicSans: yes save replays next time
[23:52:56] ConicSans: from what i can surmise, you battled another person in a roomtour and he made some plays you found odd correct?
[23:53:02] Trainer Nalys: All I said was "watch out. he made some unexpected plays"
[23:53:14] ConicSans: and then the next battle you told his opponent this stuff
[23:53:23] ConicSans: yeah that's enough to be considered disrespectful
[23:53:23] Trainer Nalys: I told him what I told you
[23:53:26] Trainer Nalys: Not really
[23:53:32] Trainer Nalys: I meant that he was good
[23:53:40] ConicSans: it sure didn't seem like that
[23:53:43] Trainer Nalys: Unexpected is not the same as bad
[23:53:49] Trainer Nalys: That is what you are thinking
[23:53:52] ConicSans: again, perception
[23:54:05] Trainer Nalys: Again, we got to respect each other's perceptions.
[23:54:22] Trainer Nalys: So far, it is my perceptions because tossed aside.
[23:54:30] Trainer Nalys: being* not bease
[23:55:09] ConicSans: Nalys, we are all people on the internet
[23:55:20] Trainer Nalys: We are
[23:55:35] ConicSans: without knowing full well what everyone means in each individual line of text
[23:55:57] ConicSans: we can only go off of precedent of past moderation to realistically flowchart what we think you meant
[23:56:13] Trainer Nalys: All I am saying is, we shouldn't assume what someone means unless they actually say it. If I think someone is bad, I will use the word bad.
[23:57:09] Trainer Nalys: People, trolls, usually say what they mean (like calling someone bad or stupid). I did not do that. All I did was say he made some unexpected players which means I didn't see it coming.
[23:57:21] ConicSans: each person is different and usually our malicious trolls do not give us the time to figure all of this out in a person
[23:57:37] Trainer Nalys: So you'd rather assume instead of going by definition?
[23:57:48] ConicSans: but we have had malicious users with similar logs as you before
[23:58:14] ConicSans: the best of our abilites to keep the peace in the chat, again, based on precedent, relies on what we do next
[23:58:25] Trainer Nalys: Perhaps, but shouldn't it also be up to the person who was spoken about to say if there was any harm or not?
[23:58:55] ConicSans: as much as i wish it could be, no it is not
[23:59:05] Trainer Nalys: You do try to do the best of your abilities, but it is forgotten that others can be harmed as well. Remember my thing about Verlis? perception
[23:59:05] ConicSans: if we had the time, this would be a courtroom
[23:59:24] ConicSans: Verlis is a special case
[23:59:40] Trainer Nalys: But no one is going to understand who wasn't there for those events.
[23:59:41] ConicSans: it just incites wayyyyy too much potential for things to go wrong
[23:59:50] ConicSans: well no but the auth was
[23:59:57] ConicSans: and many mal intent users are as well
[00:00:28] ConicSans: and even if we werent there, we have the internet (otherwise we wouldnt be here on showdown) so we can find the info easy
[00:00:53] Trainer Nalys: Yes. So you could define bad and define unexpected.
[00:01:23] Trainer Nalys: You are putting people together that shouldn't be together. This is the Internet, we are all different. As you have said
[00:01:48] Trainer Nalys: Are you worried that you have harmed innocent players for appearing like past mal users?
[00:02:16] ConicSans: I am personally not worried and I have a reason for that, if you let me explain it
[00:02:21] Trainer Nalys: Sure
[00:03:15] Trainer Nalys: brb bathroom while you type
[00:04:04] ConicSans: Trolls will usually troll and leave. Whether this trolling takes place over an hour, a day, a week, hell we've even had months in some cases
[00:05:18] ConicSans: The people who are "innocent" as you say will usually serve their sentences (usually only 7 minutes, sometimes an hour at most, but even a ban) and then make amends for their wrongdoings
[00:06:09] ConicSans: they are open to learning why what they did wasn't welcome most of the time and they remain helpful users in the chatroom in a couple says
[00:06:11] ConicSans: ways*
[00:06:27] ConicSans: if people want help with teams, they help build/edit in the chat
[00:06:51] ConicSans: if someone wants to see something but forgets the command for it, they help remind users what the command is
[00:07:36] ConicSans: (for example, someone might say "where are the sample teams" and the users that want to make amends will say "type /rfaq samples")
[00:08:04] ConicSans: auth will never be perfect, we do our best
[00:08:06] Trainer Nalys: There is a difference between me and those users though
[00:08:21] ConicSans: yes but on first impression, do you think we knew that?
[00:08:40] ConicSans: we've had users who were bad for 10x the amount you were and still ended up the same
[00:08:51] ConicSans: we are not going to get everything right, I agree
[00:08:53] ConicSans: however
[00:09:09] Trainer Nalys: The difference is that I did not disagree with you guys.
[00:09:40] ConicSans: our intentions were 100% in the right place when we did the things we did, I personally feel that this is a culmination case of everything that couldve gone wrong that did go wrong
[00:09:52] ConicSans: your ban lifts tomorrow
[00:10:27] ConicSans: i want to talk about what you can do going forward that will for sure help you get back on track in here to earning the trust of our users
[00:10:51] Trainer Nalys: As far as I am aware, some of the users don't appreciate what staff has done.
[00:10:59] ConicSans: and being a good part of the chatroom
[00:11:02] ConicSans: some don't
[00:11:09] Trainer Nalys: I've gotten apologizes from users about LightCore actions
[00:11:18] Trainer Nalys: Who came to the battles
[00:11:32] ConicSans: if Lightcore was a bad staff, he would have been demoted by now
[00:11:55] Trainer Nalys: I am not saying he is a bad staff members. I know he is not, but he still needs to be held accountable just like I was.
[00:12:03] ConicSans: there is too much oversight via help room and global staff tucking into everyone's cases when they hear stuff is going bad
[00:12:04] ConicSans: he is
[00:12:10] ConicSans: you don't see it in chat
[00:12:20] Trainer Nalys: He told me he wasn't and nothing was said to him
[00:12:30] ConicSans: about this case?
[00:12:38] Trainer Nalys: About the insult, yes
[00:12:48] ConicSans: again, not an insult
[00:12:51] ConicSans: for the last time
[00:13:05] Trainer Nalys: Again, perception.
[00:14:07] Trainer Nalys: And when I told a VGC Discord for my area that I got banned. They asked why and I said but i never said LightCore name or nothing
[00:14:16] Trainer Nalys: Someone decided to invite LightCore to see it'
[00:14:41] ConicSans: yeah you perceived it as such but when all the oversight that goes into looking into this case caused by this "insult" doesn't see an issue, then it becomes a nonfactor
[00:14:43] Trainer Nalys: And one member is staff in the VGC room
[00:14:55] ConicSans: it only becomes a learning experience for you to take or leave
[00:15:07] ConicSans: and we have no power over what happens in a discord server
[00:15:15] Trainer Nalys: My point
[00:15:40] Trainer Nalys: LightCore should of never of been invited then leave unless he was purposely doing it
[00:15:50] ConicSans: you do realize that
[00:16:02] ConicSans: lightcore has been around for years as a prominent figure
[00:16:02] Trainer Nalys: Remember, all these events happened so closely together so I only perceived it as such.
[00:16:20] ConicSans: when you rattle off to a group like this, someone is bound to go get him
[00:16:35] ConicSans: else inform him at the very least
[00:17:05] ConicSans: I will be blunt now, fair warning
[00:17:21] Trainer Nalys: I've been in the VGC room longer than DaWob has been staff. I don't really know who LightCore is, but he should lead by example.
[00:17:28] Trainer Nalys: And he does most of the time
[00:18:01] ConicSans: that doesn't make you the better judge of this and you know that.
[00:18:32] ConicSans: i have only been here since vgc 2018 but i know what I'm doing
[00:18:35] ConicSans: anyway
[00:18:36] Trainer Nalys: There is no better judge. We only know what we experienced.
[00:19:59] Trainer Nalys: I aspire to be like the Pokemon Champion Cynthia.
Your message is too long: you havent been around since 13/14. Much has changed, and ive read up on previous logs of what's happened since then. This single instance is not a growing change for the VGC auth. This is a growing change for you, and if you wish to be accepted in the vgc room after your ban lifts then you will need to see that for yourself
[00:20:32] ConicSans: you havent been around since 13/14. Much has changed, and ive read up on previous logs of what's happened since then
[00:20:38] ConicSans: This single instance is not a growing change for the VGC auth. This is a growing change for you, and if you wish to be accepted in the vgc room after your ban lifts then you will need to see that for yourself
[00:20:52] Trainer Nalys: I haven't been around since 16. I started in 13/14
[00:20:59] ConicSans: okay my bad
[00:21:07] ConicSans: even in 16 stuff was different
[00:21:37] ConicSans: showdown policy actively undergoes changes and staff must adhere to it
[00:21:50] ConicSans: some staff retires, some new staff is brought on
[00:21:52] Trainer Nalys: All I can say is one thing. I went a week under Trainer Nalys without any issues until LightCore. That should speak by itself.
[00:22:36] ConicSans: all it's telling me is that you have learned nothing in this entire conversation and this past hour was a waste
[00:22:43] Trainer Nalys: LightCore is a nonfactor, but the statement still speaks. I joined a VGC Discord and became friends with a VGC Twitch streamer
[00:22:48] ConicSans: So help me i hope that's not what you meant
[00:22:54] ConicSans: who cares who you're friends with
[00:22:58] ConicSans: this is you
[00:22:58] Trainer Nalys: Have I disagreed with you?
[00:23:09] Trainer Nalys: Have I said you were wrong?
[00:24:04] Trainer Nalys: That should answer your question
[00:24:06] ConicSans: not explicitly but you still fail to see that just because you're friends with a streamer doesn't make this situation with LightCore as massive of an issue this has become
[00:24:36] ConicSans: we are here to talk about showdown policy, Discord and friends mean nothing
[00:24:55] ConicSans: and in recent months, this has been a big topic we need to get across to people
[00:24:56] Trainer Nalys: It was an example that change is possible, but only as staff allows it
[00:25:45] Trainer Nalys: If staff encourages change, they shouldn't make statements that might hurt it or be easily reacted to. Am I wrong?
[00:26:25] ConicSans: you're looking at this in every angle to make LightCore the person in the wrong here
[00:27:00] Trainer Nalys: LightCore is not in the wrong. We both were
[00:27:09] Trainer Nalys: But no one wanted to point both of us out; just me
[00:27:30] ConicSans: You were both wrong in different ways
[00:27:38] ConicSans: but in lightcore's case
[00:28:04] Trainer Nalys: My point. I
[00:28:11] ConicSans: he did exactly as precedent was to tell him to do because we don't know you that well after only 2 weeks
[00:28:23] ConicSans: it turns out you're a different sort of guy and that's wonderful
[00:28:37] ConicSans: but you made this a damn challenge to get that across
[00:28:43] ConicSans: and that is not on LightCore
[00:28:57] Trainer Nalys: You don't understand still
[00:29:31] ConicSans: individually the mute was caused by him, yes
[00:29:35] Trainer Nalys: It is not on LightCore, but as a driver, he shouldn't of said what he did.
[00:29:58] Trainer Nalys: Self-control
[00:30:32] ConicSans: Culmination of everything that could have gone wrong. You caught him at a bad time, ad that's not your fault
[00:30:48] ConicSans: but despite his bad times he is a great driver and we are lucky to have him
[00:31:02] Trainer Nalys: We are, but control is key even in bad times. Right?
[00:31:08] ConicSans: yes
[00:31:27] ConicSans: I know him irl and this was actually very self controlled for his bad times
[00:31:30] ConicSans: comparatively speaking
[00:31:52] Trainer Nalys: You know him in real life?
[00:31:56] ConicSans: yes
[00:32:04] ConicSans: we both go to the same local tournaments
[00:32:12] Trainer Nalys: I don't know anyone in real life who plays Pokemon or VGC
[00:32:23] ConicSans: but i dont let this affect me as a staff here on showdown
[00:32:33] Trainer Nalys: Maybe the issue is I am lonely so I don't know social interactions. As an adult, that has development into my norm.
[00:32:33] ConicSans: well it's never too early to get out there then!
[00:32:48] Trainer Nalys: Kind of late now
[00:32:53] ConicSans: no it's not
[00:33:08] Trainer Nalys: Staff would criticize me as events. DaWob doesn't even like me.
[00:33:13] Trainer Nalys: at*
[00:33:37] ConicSans: i know this sweet old lady who comes to internationals and she is what many would call "late"
[00:33:40] ConicSans: listen Nalys
[00:33:46] ConicSans: you care about vgc right?
[00:33:58] ConicSans: you wanna make some friends in this chatroom right?
[00:34:17] ConicSans: you wanna make amends for these past few weeks right?
[00:34:32] ConicSans: well it starts tomorrow for you
[00:34:42] ConicSans: a new chapter to prove to us you mean well
[00:35:05] Trainer Nalys: But staff will look to me as the same person with a history; not as someone starting new.
[00:35:36] ConicSans: well there's a fix for that
[00:35:55] Trainer Nalys: ?
[00:36:13] ConicSans: you know how we agreed that different words can come off differently based on who says it?
[00:36:33] Trainer Nalys: Yes
[00:36:46] ConicSans: right now you're in a bit of a rut for that but just make sure you pick your words a bit more carefully because i know you mean better than you came off
[00:37:22] ConicSans: remember that while we both came to an agreement that unexpected and bad mean different things
[00:37:23] Trainer Nalys: I can't exactly change the word unexpected when it doesn't mean bad in the first place.
[00:37:31] ConicSans: among other words
[00:37:44] ConicSans: they are perceived differently between different people
[00:38:12] Trainer Nalys: My point
[00:38:21] ConicSans: it can be a massive gray area that i think is just better to leave alone for the moment
[00:38:37] ConicSans: given that you're fresh off a ban and looking for a new start
[00:38:58] ConicSans: if your opp beats you in a room tour, don't talk about the plays in their next battle
[00:39:07] ConicSans: no matter how small the remard
[00:39:11] ConicSans: remark*
[00:39:48] Trainer Nalys: Can I be unbanned now
[00:40:20] ConicSans: if you have questions on specific sets they used, so long as you can keep the topic positive/constructive rather than interrogative/tense, you can ask that in chat
[00:40:38] ConicSans: i have no power over unbanning and at this point i'd just wait the couple extra hours
[00:40:56] ConicSans: if someone comes to the chatroom to ask where to find samples or formats or something
[00:41:19] ConicSans: help direct them to the respective commands (/rfaq samples and /rfaq formats)
[00:41:24] Trainer Nalys: Could a mod unban me or no?
[00:41:36] ConicSans: don't you dare ask them for it
[00:41:37] Trainer Nalys: I mean, DaWob seems to be avoiding me
[00:41:42] ConicSans: he's asleep
[00:42:19] Trainer Nalys: I've already been banned over a day. I still have almost over 15 hours left .-.
[00:42:31] ConicSans: that's okay, people have received much worse
[00:43:02] Trainer Nalys: None of important players though
[00:43:31] ConicSans: see we don't worry about how good of a player you are
[00:43:39] ConicSans: being good at vgc doesnt make you a staff
[00:43:55] Trainer Nalys: Then I would of been staff long ago xD
[00:44:16] ConicSans: ecks dee
[00:44:51] Trainer Nalys: What
[00:45:09] ConicSans: it's the sound you make when you say "XD"
[00:45:13] ConicSans: "ecks dee"
[00:45:24] ConicSans: but anyway
[00:46:01] Trainer Nalys: oh lol
[00:46:17] ConicSans: being prominent in the community or a good player doesnt give you any special immunity here in the room
[00:46:58] Trainer Nalys: Mhm
[00:47:21] ConicSans: which tbf is a relative change between 17 and now
[00:47:39] Trainer Nalys: How so
[00:47:45] ConicSans: because if you were a big enough community presence you got voiced here
[00:48:20] ConicSans: then we had to overhaul policy on that resulting in a massive "voice purge" as people like to call it
[00:48:28] ConicSans: i think the name implies what happened
[00:48:45] Trainer Nalys: Why were they removed
[00:48:56] ConicSans: all the voices got demoted and a new set of guidelines was made to promote voices again
[00:49:01] ConicSans: so the issue was
[00:49:31] ConicSans: we voiced people based on community/placements at tournaments
[00:49:49] ConicSans: but we got new policy
[00:49:55] Trainer Nalys: Which is
[00:50:02] ConicSans: basically we weren't allowed to voice like that anymore
[00:50:09] Trainer Nalys: Why not
[00:50:09] ConicSans: the new policy became
[00:51:05] ConicSans: be helpful and active in chat, especially when people wanted team help/best of 3 matches
[00:51:21] Trainer Nalys: Why was it changed
[00:51:25] ConicSans: special consideration is given to content creators but it's not a massive edge
[00:51:28] ConicSans: it was because
[00:51:46] ConicSans: i think it was because literally all of the rest of showdown does not follow that policy
[00:52:13] ConicSans: and was based more on what they can contribute to showdown vs what they achieve at tournaments if that makes sense
[00:52:46] ConicSans: that was the general idea behind it i think but don't quote me on it
[00:53:01] ConicSans: but yeah
[00:53:54] ConicSans: you can prove you're a good user by being helpful and etc
[00:54:43] ConicSans: also don't ask for the unban because that reaaaaaaally gives us the impression you will do the same thing again
[00:55:05] Trainer Nalys: Buut you got to figure for a while years ago, VGC was distant from Smogon and staff in VGC were not global
[00:55:33] ConicSans: even today smogon doesnt make the ruleset for vgc
[00:55:39] ConicSans: ig it got more assimilated is all
[00:56:38] ConicSans: properly unifiying vgc to showdown with that policy overhaul
[00:57:24] ConicSans: okay well I am tired and I have class in the morning so i will see you later
[00:58:44] ConicSans: goodnight, please think about what we talked and come back tomorrow once your ban has expired and hopefully you can start your new chapter here