Ame vs Torture

Ame R1

* Tort's team has no notable movement speed feats, while Ame's team is fast

* Both Aphro and Dai open with ranged attacks which they have no resistance to

* Dai runs them over

* Ame's team one shots and tanks

* Gentle's shield won't BFR Omac or Aphro, and Dai can recover midair

* Eye can use magnetism or barriers to recover the team

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Tort R1

* Motorcycle slow to start and bad idea to rush in

* Gentle redirects Dai

* Wook can block Dai

* KD dodges and tases

* Gentle blocks projectiles

* Gentle can BFR and is a lifting check

* Wook and KD are strong

* Omac dies to piercing

* Tort's team is durable

* Skill diff

* KD can jumpstart hearts

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Ame R2

* Wook isn't fast enough to dodge the water jet

* KD's speed is vague scaling

* Gentle's speed is reliant on Deku's speed, which is stipped out

* Ame's team is much faster

* Dai fights unpredictably and Aphro is hyper competent

* KD isn't durable to fight Ame's team and his electrical resistance isn't that good

* Wook's durability feat knocks him out temporarily

* FTE isn't meaningful

* Gentle was knocked out by an attack weaker than Ame's team

* Ame's team tanky

* Eye destroys guns and bullets and can heal Omac

* KD is weak and his taser won't work on Dai

* Aphro can adapt to electricity and Omac would tank it

* I-beams aren't a ton and Cap can't lift a ton

* Aphro and Omac can withstand the sandwich

* Dai can quickly operate his motorcycle

* To avoid Dai's rush, they need to outreact him

* Dai fires out a water jet, not a gel

* Aphro and Dai can use their ranged weapons while rushing and can get multiple attacks off

* Flashbangs are useless

* Gentle's barrier is visible and a child can outmaneuver it

* Ame's team isn't producing enough force that they'll be massively launched when redirected

* Gentle can't manipulate Aphro's cybernetics

* A trampoline floor won't affect the motorcycle

* Ame's team can handle falls well

* Gentle's shield has no feats against piercing attacks and they're clearly solid

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Tort R2

* Dai will get sent flying by the shields

* Deku only notices the barriers once Gentle's powers are explained to him

* The trampoline launches Dai

* The barriers will block piercing because it can block Deku

* Gentle's speed doesn't matter

* Wook has good stats

* Flashbang matters

* Gentle good

* KD and electricity good

* Nomu scaling?

* Dai speed bad

* Dai dies, 1v3, or 3v3 BFR

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Judgements

Good debate overall. Probably the best responses I've seen from you Torture, good job on the improvement.

Ame's first response lays a solid foundation. He shows off how fast his team is along with their ranged abilities while showing how Torture's team can't compete against it. Ame continues by explaining how the fight is still in his team's favor when they enter close range. The prebuttal against Gentle's BFR is good and comprehensive and shows how even assuming it works, Ame's team can recover from it.

Torture's response against the motorcycle isn't really effective. Ame clearly explains that Dai will open up with ranged attacks before charging in and can do it while driving. He isn't a vulnerable target while driving towards them. However, his focus on the effectiveness of Gentle's shield is strong and gives multiple arguments to how they stop the vehicle. Torture's statposting on the other hand is a little weaker. His Gentle arguments remain his strongest, but his strength and speed arguments for Knuckleduster and Wook leave a lot to be desired. Knuckleduster's feats just aren't as concrete and objective as Ame's so the focus on him being obviously better than Ame's team doesn't land. As for Wook, FTE isn't a quantifiable speed, argue the speed more clearly.

Ame's analysis of Torture's team is agreeable. A lot of the speed feats are vague and Gentle practically has no speed with how he's stipped. Ame showing that his team is noticeably above regular human reflexes is enough of an advantage, especially when coupled with the fact they're immediately going for ranged attacks from the start. Ame's comparison of his team's offense against Torture's team's defense is laid out clearly along with how the opposing team's offense fails against Ame's team.

Torture's final response is rather barebones compared to his initial response. He's forced on the defense, putting most of his text to rebuttals instead of establishing his win cons with more depth, along with several broken links. Instead of linking scans, a lot of Torture's claims here are basically sourced with "trust me."

Ame wins. Torture's sole win con is reliant on Gentle's barrier being able to BFR as his team's piercing is ineffective against Ame's team, along with their Brother EYE's ability to destroy weapons and projectiles. With Gentle being the only argument for Torture left standing, the question is: does it work against Ame's team? I don't think Torture's claims that it can withstand piercing by showing examples of it taking blunt damage is convincing. The way I see it, Dai and Aphrodite fire at the barrier. Either the bullets go through and immediately kill Gentle, or they bounce off, which reveals Gentle's power. This would let Ame's team plan the rest of the fight accordingly, especially with how competent he showed they are. However, what's more likely is that Ame's team just quickdraws before Gentle can respond as Torture's speed arguments were rather iffy. Also, Torture completely fails to try and counter Ame's claims that Brother EYE can stop BFR with magnetism and barriers. Since his primary argument relies on BFR, ignoring this basically secures the loss for him.